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Hi,

I can't clean the ventilator of my PC, cause it's not possible to

unscrew the ventilator case (it was possible to do it on my older PC).

I think it is responsible for lot's of lung irritation and maybe

bronchitis like right now.

Any information or idea (so far I've stuck a piece of filtering

material on the oustide of the box, at the exit stream of the

ventilator).

john.

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You need to open your PC, dissassemble it, and ****wearing gloves****, clean

*every* part of it with cotton balls and 91% rubbing alcohol.. being careful

to get all the black gunk out and thrown away on the cotton balls. Pay extra

attention to the fins on the CPU and the fan blades.. those are the dirtiest

parts. Dry it off well before putting it back together (putting it in direct

sunlight will help)

After doing that two or three times, your computer might start to be useable

again.

DON'T block the fan holes with anything besides open cell filter foam..

(which you can clean with soap and water periodically)

you could start a fire.. Computers need an unimpeded air flow through the

case..

One way you might be able to get away with turning off your fan unless the

CPU gets very hot (over 70C) is by 'underclocking' your PC's CPU in the

BIOS.

That runs your computer at a slower speed than it is designed for which can

mean that you don't need a fan most of the time. But its also slower..

Ask an engineer or good PC tech... don't do this yourself if you don't know

much about computers..

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new computers burn off potentually toxic particles,a lot of plastic

coated parts inside. the hotter it runs the more this burn off

increases. I wouldn't put any type of filter on the outside as it may

make it even hotter inside. you may need to add another fan if there

is a spot for it. if you can put it close to a window for a while and

have a fan blowing out in the window while you use it,it may help.

also shut it down when not useing. this is mainly the reason I just

keep my old one and replace parts from other used computers. theres

not a lot you can do. it decreases with time. the best way to deal

with it would be to somehow pull around your computer out the window.

>

> Hi,

>

> I can't clean the ventilator of my PC, cause it's not possible to

> unscrew the ventilator case (it was possible to do it on my older

PC).

> I think it is responsible for lot's of lung irritation and maybe

> bronchitis like right now.

>

> Any information or idea (so far I've stuck a piece of filtering

> material on the oustide of the box, at the exit stream of the

> ventilator).

>

> john.

>

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--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> You need to open your PC, dissassemble it, and ****wearing

gloves****, clean

> *every* part of it with cotton balls and 91% rubbing alcohol..

being careful

> to get all the black gunk out and thrown away on the cotton balls.

Pay extra

> attention to the fins on the CPU and the fan blades.. those are the

dirtiest

> parts. Dry it off well before putting it back together (putting it

in direct

> sunlight will help)

>

> After doing that two or three times, your computer might start to

be useable

> again.

Thanks for the answer. I'm gonna try to clean it inside. But to

clean the whole board seems a lot of work. And yes you're right, the

dirtiest part is the ventilator blades and around. I did clean that

a few years ago, for an older PC, it was thick with dirt. But the

one I have now, I have not been able to acces the ventilator blades,

it is not possible to unscrew the ventilator case. The PC is not

new, I've used it for already a few years, and it was second hand

already. I sense it's a chronic poisoning of the lungs, right now i

have a bronchitis so eventually I'm willing to do something.

But I don't have the money to ask a PC technician. And not enough

right now even for a replacement by one where the ventilator case can

be unscrewed.

Also to run it at a lower speed, it's already an antiquity !

john

>

> DON'T block the fan holes with anything besides open cell filter

foam..

> (which you can clean with soap and water periodically)

>

> you could start a fire.. Computers need an unimpeded air flow

through the

> case..

>

> One way you might be able to get away with turning off your fan

unless the

> CPU gets very hot (over 70C) is by 'underclocking' your PC's CPU in

the

> BIOS.

>

> That runs your computer at a slower speed than it is designed for

which can

> mean that you don't need a fan most of the time. But its also

slower..

>

> Ask an engineer or good PC tech... don't do this yourself if you

don't know

> much about computers..

>

>

>

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>

> new computers burn off potentually toxic particles,a lot of plastic

> coated parts inside. the hotter it runs the more this burn off

> increases. I wouldn't put any type of filter on the outside as it

may

> make it even hotter inside. you may need to add another fan if

there

> is a spot for it. if you can put it close to a window for a while

and

> have a fan blowing out in the window while you use it,it may help.

> also shut it down when not useing. this is mainly the reason I just

> keep my old one and replace parts from other used computers. theres

> not a lot you can do. it decreases with time. the best way to deal

> with it would be to somehow pull around your computer out the

window.

It's an old computer already. So I think the problem is definitely

from the ventilator. I just don't know what to do, yes to put it

close to an open window, if possible. (no, very difficult to do, will

try).

Maybe I should just spray alcohol inside the ventilator case.

john.

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Don't spray alcohol! Unless it is on a flat surface and you are going to

wipe it off right away. The alcohol doesn't do anything to the toxins, it

just acts as a degreaser and vehicle for their removal. You need to then,

use cotton balls or rags to remove by wiping the GUNK. Don't be lazy.

Moisten the cotton balls with alcohol - not water - then apply them to the

circuit boards, insides of the fans, fins, etc, with a wiping motion, so

that they become black with dirt. Then throw away the black dirty balls and

use new clean ones or swabs (QTips.. etc.) to clean some more.

You may need to dissassemble the computer to do this. Make sure you do this

carefully, and dry it out thoroughly before reassembly. Also be careful for

static electricity.

If you don't know what solvent means then maybe best to just buy another

one.. computer hardware is cheap now compared to what it used to cost.. This

job can easily take a whole day..

Don't get the wet, toxin laden gunk on your hands.. it could cause serious

damage because the alcohol dissolves the toxins and it can help them go

through your skin. So use ventilation - a fan blowing out - not just an open

window - and gloves- and throw all the dirty cotton balls and swabs away

immediately..

You should end up with a big bag of dirty cotton balls and swabs and dirty

gloves and a semi clean computer..

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If you look around you can find deals like one I just saw at

TigerDirect where you can get a refurbished HP 2.66 GHz P4 with 512 MB

DDR RAM and a 40 GB HD for $199...

Computer hardware is cheap.. just like bandwidth these days.. moving

towards zero cost as Bill Gates puts it..

its people's time.. like your own.. that is expensive.. You can

probably buy new hardware and then put your old hard drives in it and

basically have your old machine with a new lease on life, speed wise..

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If keeping it cool is important and it is a laptop, you can buy a

platform to put laptop on that keeps it cool.

>

> Hi,

>

> I can't clean the ventilator of my PC, cause it's not possible to

> unscrew the ventilator case (it was possible to do it on my older

PC).

>

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it also helps to put your harddrive as far away from you and your

monitor as your cords will allow.

>

> If you look around you can find deals like one I just saw at

> TigerDirect where you can get a refurbished HP 2.66 GHz P4 with 512 MB

> DDR RAM and a 40 GB HD for $199...

>

> Computer hardware is cheap.. just like bandwidth these days.. moving

> towards zero cost as Bill Gates puts it..

>

> its people's time.. like your own.. that is expensive.. You can

> probably buy new hardware and then put your old hard drives in it and

> basically have your old machine with a new lease on life, speed wise..

>

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I'm sure there are already tons of [maybe toxic] dirt[/mold] in the

ventilator case I cannot access.

So yes altogether i'll wait until I have 150 to spend on ebay for a

tower with ventilator case accessible.

Right now I have open the window large in the room. It's better for

air exchange. My lungs know it's something irritating from the

ventilator.

Thanks for the explanation for cleaning the boards, but I don't feel

like doing it right now. But maybe you're right cause I remember

also another computer, when I opened it, the boards were really

looking full of grey dirt.

john

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> Don't spray alcohol! Unless it is on a flat surface and you are

going to

> wipe it off right away. The alcohol doesn't do anything to the

toxins, it

> just acts as a degreaser and vehicle for their removal. You need to

then,

> use cotton balls or rags to remove by wiping the GUNK. Don't be

lazy.

>

> Moisten the cotton balls with alcohol - not water - then apply them

to the

> circuit boards, insides of the fans, fins, etc, with a wiping

motion, so

> that they become black with dirt. Then throw away the black dirty

balls and

> use new clean ones or swabs (QTips.. etc.) to clean some more.

>

> You may need to dissassemble the computer to do this. Make sure you

do this

> carefully, and dry it out thoroughly before reassembly. Also be

careful for

> static electricity.

>

> If you don't know what solvent means then maybe best to just buy

another

> one.. computer hardware is cheap now compared to what it used to

cost.. This

> job can easily take a whole day..

>

> Don't get the wet, toxin laden gunk on your hands.. it could cause

serious

> damage because the alcohol dissolves the toxins and it can help

them go

> through your skin. So use ventilation - a fan blowing out - not

just an open

> window - and gloves- and throw all the dirty cotton balls and

swabs away

> immediately..

>

> You should end up with a big bag of dirty cotton balls and swabs

and dirty

> gloves and a semi clean computer..

>

>

>

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> it also helps to put your harddrive as far away from you and your

> monitor as your cords will allow.---

That is not very far away ! There's the screen cable, mouse, etc. not

very long ! I made a device on the exit of the ventilator with a piece

of filter (used for air contidionner) but it seems not to be efficient.

john.

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If you could get a few gallons of DISTILLED (not tap) water you might be

able to do it by immersion of the circuit boards and then gentle but

prolonged agitation and then careful drying...over a long time so that all

of the water was really gone before you applied power again... and NO

SOAP... Make sure to clean the vessel you are using to clean them too

thoroughly, first, because you don't want ANY dissolved salts in the water..

make sure to use distilled water.. Then use a hair dryer to dry it..

Take out the hard drives and the small button lithium batteries first. There

might be other important parts you would need to remove too.. (you don't

want to get water into your hard drives, I am sure of that..)

This is what pros do to recover computers that have been water damaged.. the

trick is to use distilled water and to clean it all out and dry the whole

thing completely...

If this sounds like a lot of work.. it is.. I don't think that most older

computers are worth it.. But you end up with a completely clean computer if

you do it right..

The MONITORS are another BIG problem area..as we all know...

By 'ventilator' do you mean 'fan' ? Are you British?

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I'm sure the problem comes from the fan/ventilator case at the rear

of the tower. Maybe some mold inside.

I've eventually decided to do something, even buying another very

cheap PC tower. But I have no money at all to do that at the moment.

john (jean in french).

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> If you could get a few gallons of DISTILLED (not tap) water you

might be

> able to do it by immersion of the circuit boards and then gentle but

> prolonged agitation and then careful drying...over a long time so

that all

> of the water was really gone before you applied power again... and

NO

> SOAP... Make sure to clean the vessel you are using to clean them

too

> thoroughly, first, because you don't want ANY dissolved salts in

the water..

> make sure to use distilled water.. Then use a hair dryer to dry it..

>

> Take out the hard drives and the small button lithium batteries

first. There

> might be other important parts you would need to remove too.. (you

don't

> want to get water into your hard drives, I am sure of that..)

>

> This is what pros do to recover computers that have been water

damaged.. the

> trick is to use distilled water and to clean it all out and dry the

whole

> thing completely...

>

> If this sounds like a lot of work.. it is.. I don't think that most

older

> computers are worth it.. But you end up with a completely clean

computer if

> you do it right..

>

> The MONITORS are another BIG problem area..as we all know...

>

> By 'ventilator' do you mean 'fan' ? Are you British?

>

>

>

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Have you tried opening the computer and brushing the fan and heatsink fins

with a brush, then vacumning it out with a strong vacumn cleaner? Or blowing

the dust off, outside your house.. (better!)

That didn't do it for me, as far as preventing me from getting sick, but its

good preventative maintenance to prevent computers from getting too hot if

the cooling becomes inefficient. Sometimes they get very very dusty if they

are in a dusty environment and don't have filters of some kind on the air

intake.. (not uncommon)

On 2/5/07, jean <tdx244@...> wrote:

>

> I'm sure the problem comes from the fan/ventilator case at the rear

> of the tower. Maybe some mold inside.

>

> I've eventually decided to do something, even buying another very

> cheap PC tower. But I have no money at all to do that at the moment.

>

> john (jean in french).

>

>

> >

> > If you could get a few gallons of DISTILLED (not tap) water you

> might be

> > able to do it by immersion of the circuit boards and then gentle but

> > prolonged agitation and then careful drying...over a long time so

> that all

> > of the water was really gone before you applied power again... and

> NO

> > SOAP... Make sure to clean the vessel you are using to clean them

> too

> > thoroughly, first, because you don't want ANY dissolved salts in

> the water..

> > make sure to use distilled water.. Then use a hair dryer to dry it..

> >

> > Take out the hard drives and the small button lithium batteries

> first. There

> > might be other important parts you would need to remove too.. (you

> don't

> > want to get water into your hard drives, I am sure of that..)

> >

> > This is what pros do to recover computers that have been water

> damaged.. the

> > trick is to use distilled water and to clean it all out and dry the

> whole

> > thing completely...

> >

> > If this sounds like a lot of work.. it is.. I don't think that most

> older

> > computers are worth it.. But you end up with a completely clean

> computer if

> > you do it right..

> >

> > The MONITORS are another BIG problem area..as we all know...

> >

> > By 'ventilator' do you mean 'fan' ? Are you British?

> >

> >

> >

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The fan case is not accessible. I cannot have access to the fan

blades. I remember a previous PC, it was possible to unscrew the

case, but not on this one.

I'm fed up of this dust (mainly my lungs). As soon as I have 100 or

so, I'll buy another one second hand. So far no other solution.

john.

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> Have you tried opening the computer and brushing the fan and

heatsink fins

> with a brush, then vacumning it out with a strong vacumn cleaner?

Or blowing

> the dust off, outside your house.. (better!)

>

> That didn't do it for me, as far as preventing me from getting

sick, but its

> good preventative maintenance to prevent computers from getting too

hot if

> the cooling becomes inefficient. Sometimes they get very very dusty

if they

> are in a dusty environment and don't have filters of some kind on

the air

> intake.. (not uncommon)

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If you look hard enough, you'll figure out how to open it up.

Its yours, you can do whatever you want with it. Including open it up in any

way you need to. If you send me a photo (or a few photos) of it in private

email, I might be able to suggest how to open it.. I've built my share of

PCs in the past..

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I eventually opened the tower box this night at 2 in the morning.

Cause I'm sick with ashtma bronchitis at the moment. And I could see

the inside is dusty. On some part it is very dusty. Like the

pentium 2 black box. Also I realized that there's another fan exit

specific for the processor.

What I did is stick another piece of filter (just cut with scisor

10x10 cm piece of air conditioner foam like filter) in the outside of

the tower. This time I taped it real good, and then this morning I

immediately sensed it's less harmful. Will still have to figure out

how to clean the inside, the boards. I'm afraid to put water on the

circuits, etc.

john.

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> Have you tried opening the computer and brushing the fan and

heatsink fins

> with a brush, then vacumning it out with a strong vacumn cleaner?

Or blowing

> the dust off, outside your house.. (better!)

>

> That didn't do it for me, as far as preventing me from getting

sick, but its

> good preventative maintenance to prevent computers from getting too

hot if

> the cooling becomes inefficient. Sometimes they get very very dusty

if they

> are in a dusty environment and don't have filters of some kind on

the air

> intake.. (not uncommon)

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What about taking the computer outside on a dry day, opening it up, and

blowing the **** out of it with a LEAF BLOWER or similar thing? That would

blast all the loose dust out and then you could use 91% alcohol to much

better effect.. USING GLOVES.. because otherwise the toxins in the greasy

gunk will absorb through your skin and hurt you. They can be very strong,

and they concentrate on things like computer parts..

If you use water, you NEED to use distilled water and then, only on the

circuit boards and individual parts each removed and soaked individually.

And this is best done after the first level of cleaning.. ie degunking...

You can buy replacement fans for just a few dollars.. perhaps thats a better

alternative..

What I described with the water is a LOT of work.. its not something to

undertake lightly... Putting a filter on the INTAKE is for afterward.. its

not going to help you much now that the toxic dust is ALREADY inside of the

stupid thing..

Am I making sense?

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I'm listening to this description. I'm getting it. The glove part,

etc. Now, as you say it's not easy to do. The leaf blower thing, I

don't own one. An air compressor is also at least a 100.

But I'm getting at what you explain. I don't want my PC down. So

I'll proceed very cautiously.

john.

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> What about taking the computer outside on a dry day, opening it up,

and

> blowing the **** out of it with a LEAF BLOWER or similar thing?

That would

> blast all the loose dust out and then you could use 91% alcohol to

much

> better effect.. USING GLOVES.. because otherwise the toxins in the

greasy

> gunk will absorb through your skin and hurt you. They can be very

strong,

> and they concentrate on things like computer parts..

>

> If you use water, you NEED to use distilled water and then, only on

the

> circuit boards and individual parts each removed and soaked

individually.

> And this is best done after the first level of cleaning.. ie

degunking...

>

> You can buy replacement fans for just a few dollars.. perhaps thats

a better

> alternative..

>

> What I described with the water is a LOT of work.. its not

something to

> undertake lightly... Putting a filter on the INTAKE is for

afterward.. its

> not going to help you much now that the toxic dust is ALREADY

inside of the

> stupid thing..

>

> Am I making sense?

>

>

>

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No problem, you're perfectly correct in what you explain.

john.

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

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>

> I'm sorry.. I was being bitchy.. Didn't mean to. Please don't take it

> personally..

>

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The idea also occured to me, I'm getting some nerve. Yeah if I really

want to access the fan blades, I can do it the hard way. The metal of

the case is not that thick. I think I have a small iron to weld

somewhere, also something to cut the metal. I don't mind breaking down

the tower case !!!

I'll make pics. Also I'll show you how I put a filter. I also have

the reference of the PC.

john.

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> If you look hard enough, you'll figure out how to open it up.

>

> Its yours, you can do whatever you want with it. Including open it up

in any

> way you need to. If you send me a photo (or a few photos) of it in

private

> email, I might be able to suggest how to open it.. I've built my

share of

> PCs in the past..

>

>

>

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