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Vicki,

I hate that damned if you do or don't position. Drives you nuts.

Sounds like starting your own home is the best option. We have talked

about buying a small house for and a caretaker, but I do want him

included in the community, and so we have to make sure of that.

Men are taught to not talk about troubling issues like dangerous

surgeries, but they really need to as much as anyone. They tend to be

afraid that their emotions might show, and that would be a huge no-no.

You deal with fear by ignoring it. Not too healthy, but it can work.

One problem is that couples stop communicating, and that creates

problems. I hope you can break through his silence. Anyway, you always

have the list. As I said once, we're like this huge family going

through life together. That's one reason I can't stop going to the

Australia/New Zealand conferences. Those families mean so much to me, I

need to go back and see them. So Brisbane, here I come!

Tim Hartshorne

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> Tim,

> Oh how I wish that we could have come to Houston. is such an

> incredible young man. He's kind and gentle and loves little kids. For

> him to see others who are like him would have been so good. We are

> surely coming to Indianapolis.

> You know I really don't have anyone that I can talk to about the

> surgery. My husband is having a hard time talking about it. I put him

> through the wringer during the back surgery. I need to talk about the

> what if's and he won't go there.

> I met 2 of the other deaf people who are going to be in the home

> with when the MRMR agency sent me to look at a boarding home as a

> place to consider for to live. That place was so awful. The two

> that were already living there have no family that are involved with

> them. It's like the families just through them away. We have been going

> to the home and visiting with the one young woman. The other boy my son

> knows from school. He is presently going to school in Pittsburgh but

> when he is finished he has no place to go but back to the boarding home.

> These people don't even have a way to communicate because there's no

> signing staff in the home. Can you imagine loosing family and your

> communication. I will not have this happen to ! I'm hoping to have

> enough time before needing the surgery to get the home up and running. I

> don't think I could agree to the surgery if things weren't settled for

> . The doctors say it will defiantly need to be done in the next few

> years. Without the surgery I will eventually go into heart failure.

> Damned if I do and damned if I don't.

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Thank you for the warm welcome to the group. I live in Wisconsin and

am in the beginnings of a divorce. My husband could not take the

health problems and money problems they brought on us. It hurts, but

my faith is strong and I will go on. Does anyone out there have sleep

problems because of the pain?

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Hello , I am Jena I kinda lurk I guess you could say. one thing that has

kinda helped my pain esp. my legs cramps is Elavil. it does nothing to me that I

can tell and far as my thinking. I also take Percocet for my back and Fibro.

But the Elavil helps in a way Flexiril or Zanflex could not. it might help you

also esp with you going through a divorce. so sorry to hear about that. I hope

and am not jumping where I should be lurking. But my pain management Dr thought

I was crazy when I ask him to let me try this for my muscle relaxer. I have been

going to him for about 4 years so we have a pretty good relationship so he let

me try it. Nothing leaves me painfree but it does give me a little better life.

just wanted to share that with you that maybe you could discuss it with your Dr.

and maybe you could try it too. Please look over my spelling it is not my meds.

I just plain cannot spell. :) Even spell check can't figure me out.

My Prayers are with you.

Jena in Ga

Re: Thank You

I suffer from alot problems with sleep due to pain. I have been told

that stress causes the pain I have to be worse and in turn leads to

more sleep loss and stress. I am also am new to the group and am also

divorcing so now I am a single mom to a beautiful 1 year old.

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> Thank you for the warm welcome to the group. I live in Wisconsin and

> am in the beginnings of a divorce. My husband could not take the

> health problems and money problems they brought on us. It hurts, but

> my faith is strong and I will go on. Does anyone out there have sleep

> problems because of the pain?

>

>

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I take Rozerom to help me sleep at night, but some days I can sleep

12-16 hours, so my pain doc gave me Provigil to help keep me awake.

Sometimes it works, sometimes not.

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> > > Thank you for the warm welcome to the group. I live in

> > Wisconsin and

> > > am in the beginnings of a divorce. My husband could

> > not take the

> > > health problems and money problems they brought on us.

> > It hurts, but

> > > my faith is strong and I will go on. Does anyone out

> > there have sleep

> > > problems because of the pain?

> > >

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About every 5 days maybe I will hit that good sleep stage of sleep. I will be so

exhausted. I am not taking near the meds I was. my husband works nights and I

feel I have to be alert to be able to know what is going on with my daughter.

she is almost 24 and has Down Syndrome. she has the mentality of a 3-5 year old.

usually at least one night when he is off I totally crash. I really hate it.

because I want to enjoy him being home but it is like my body says ok you can

sleep now. and it is like the very same meds I take every night work double time

and I crash.

I agree that the pain cases the stress and again the stress makes the pain

worse. it is a catch 22 no win situation for sure.

Jena

Re: Thank You

> To: Hugs-N-Pain

> Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 10:22 AM

> I suffer from alot problems with sleep due to pain. I have

> been told

> that stress causes the pain I have to be worse and in turn

> leads to

> more sleep loss and stress. I am also am new to the group

> and am also

> divorcing so now I am a single mom to a beautiful 1 year

> old.

>

>

> >

> > Thank you for the warm welcome to the group. I live in

> Wisconsin and

> > am in the beginnings of a divorce. My husband could

> not take the

> > health problems and money problems they brought on us.

> It hurts, but

> > my faith is strong and I will go on. Does anyone out

> there have sleep

> > problems because of the pain?

> >

> >

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hi jena what kind of pain do you have i knon it is hard on you when it comes to

sleep last nite i got about 1 hour donnieKY

> From: mm_up_north <mm_up_north@ yahoo.com>

> Subject: Re: Thank You

> To: Hugs-N-Pain@ yahoogroups. com

> Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 10:22 AM

> I suffer from alot problems with sleep due to pain. I have

> been told

> that stress causes the pain I have to be worse and in turn

> leads to

> more sleep loss and stress. I am also am new to the group

> and am also

> divorcing so now I am a single mom to a beautiful 1 year

> old.

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> > Thank you for the warm welcome to the group. I live in

> Wisconsin and

> > am in the beginnings of a divorce. My husband could

> not take the

> > health problems and money problems they brought on us.

> It hurts, but

> > my faith is strong and I will go on. Does anyone out

> there have sleep

> > problems because of the pain?

> >

> >

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I have 2 fractures in my thoracic area. ,a bulging disc at C5-6, C 6-7, T 7-8,

L5-S1 and degenerative disc disease, osteoporosis, osteo-arthritis in my hips

and pelvis, and finally all this triggered fibro and CFS, RLS. The last several

years have really been tough. thanks for inquiring. Jena

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> To: Hugs-N-Pain@ yahoogroups. com

> Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 10:22 AM

> I suffer from alot problems with sleep due to pain. I have

> been told

> that stress causes the pain I have to be worse and in turn

> leads to

> more sleep loss and stress. I am also am new to the group

> and am also

> divorcing so now I am a single mom to a beautiful 1 year

> old.

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> > Thank you for the warm welcome to the group. I live in

> Wisconsin and

> > am in the beginnings of a divorce. My husband could

> not take the

> > health problems and money problems they brought on us.

> It hurts, but

> > my faith is strong and I will go on. Does anyone out

> there have sleep

> > problems because of the pain?

> >

> >

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hi jena i thout i was the only one that could not spell i take elevel to it

helps me sleep my wife told me yesterday i could have my devorce but i could not

sell 7 arcers to buy me a house she wants all the land i was giveing her 21

arcers she called my brother tonite and ask hem way i didnot come home nomore

that she had to be at work at 1am she needed me to dog set he brug me the phone

to call her so i called her i told her i didnot come home nomore because i

wanted to be held to snugel and to spend time with her that she never had time

for me and i was lonely you call me to come dog set but you cant call me to come

spend time with her she sead she wanted to talk tomarrow i found me a apartment

today i move in monday i want to handycap ekwep the apartment to my needs i cant

do it at home i have to have controled heat a fernas set on 70 degese i can live

with that she uses wood heat it makes my rsd hert i cant put the wood in the

stove i am not herting

my self she stokes the stove up it gets a 150 degrese in there i open the

windows the stove berns out then i freeze she dose not conseder me at all and

wanders way i donot come home i am looking forward to being boss of my place

donnieKY thanks everbody for letting me vent

Subject: Re: Re: Thank You

To: Hugs-N-Pain

Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 6:44 PM

Hello , I am Jena I kinda lurk I guess you could say. one thing that has

kinda helped my pain esp. my legs cramps is Elavil. it does nothing to me that I

can tell and far as my thinking. I also take Percocet for my back and Fibro. But

the Elavil helps in a way Flexiril or Zanflex could not. it might help you also

esp with you going through a divorce. so sorry to hear about that. I hope and am

not jumping where I should be lurking. But my pain management Dr thought I was

crazy when I ask him to let me try this for my muscle relaxer. I have been going

to him for about 4 years so we have a pretty good relationship so he let me try

it. Nothing leaves me painfree but it does give me a little better life. just

wanted to share that with you that maybe you could discuss it with your Dr. and

maybe you could try it too. Please look over my spelling it is not my meds. I

just plain cannot spell. :) Even spell check can't figure me out.

My Prayers are with you.

Jena in Ga

Re: Thank You

I suffer from alot problems with sleep due to pain. I have been told

that stress causes the pain I have to be worse and in turn leads to

more sleep loss and stress. I am also am new to the group and am also

divorcing so now I am a single mom to a beautiful 1 year old.

>

> Thank you for the warm welcome to the group. I live in Wisconsin and

> am in the beginnings of a divorce. My husband could not take the

> health problems and money problems they brought on us. It hurts, but

> my faith is strong and I will go on. Does anyone out there have sleep

> problems because of the pain?

>

>

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Every night . Check out the time I'm writing this. Don.

> Thank you for the warm welcome to the group. I live in Wisconsin and

> am in the beginnings of a divorce. My husband could not take the

> health problems and money problems they brought on us. It hurts, but

> my faith is strong and I will go on. Does anyone out there have sleep

> problems because of the pain?

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hi lotacats i have a retarded cat he is asleep across my chest rite now he will

sleep 2 days at a time he gets you wered ever now and then you have to check hem

to make sure he is not dead when we gets into sleep mode it is like he forgets

to wake up donnieKY

> From: mm_up_north <mm_up_north@ yahoo.com>

> Subject: Re: Thank You

> To: Hugs-N-Pain@ yahoogroups. com

> Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 10:22 AM

> I suffer from alot problems with sleep due to pain. I have

> been told

> that stress causes the pain I have to be worse and in turn

> leads to

> more sleep loss and stress. I am also am new to the group

> and am also

> divorcing so now I am a single mom to a beautiful 1 year

> old.

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> > Thank you for the warm welcome to the group. I live in

> Wisconsin and

> > am in the beginnings of a divorce. My husband could

> not take the

> > health problems and money problems they brought on us.

> It hurts, but

> > my faith is strong and I will go on. Does anyone out

> there have sleep

> > problems because of the pain?

> >

> >

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All 4 of mine have such distinctive personalities....my CC Cat is tightly bonded

to me...sleeps under my chin. I wake up to see things between two black ears.

Byte...is the weird one. We always thought he was a few bits shy of a full

Byte. Marshall the rescue cat. He's smart. He really knows how to plan stuff.

And Gizmo is super cute but does not like being held or cuddled. CC is the

closest to me.

Lotacats

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> > From: mm_up_north <mm_up_north@ yahoo.com>

> > Subject: Re: Thank You

> > To: Hugs-N-Pain@ yahoogroups. com

> > Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 10:22 AM

> > I suffer from alot problems with sleep due to pain. I

> have

> > been told

> > that stress causes the pain I have to be worse and in

> turn

> > leads to

> > more sleep loss and stress. I am also am new to the

> group

> > and am also

> > divorcing so now I am a single mom to a beautiful 1

> year

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> > > Thank you for the warm welcome to the group. I

> live in

> > Wisconsin and

> > > am in the beginnings of a divorce. My husband

> could

> > not take the

> > > health problems and money problems they brought

> on us.

> > It hurts, but

> > > my faith is strong and I will go on. Does anyone

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hi lotacats we have a cat that is retarded the vet wanted to put hem down about

5 years ago he was sick and it was christmas i was lead up with a knee sergery i

had 30 dollers to my name so i desided to get buba a 29 doller shot for

christmas the vet didnot want to give hem the shot sead he needed to be put down

i sead it was my money if i wanted to by hem a shot it was my money so he sold

me the shot but he would not give it to hem i took it home and give it to hem my

self we dont mind hem being retarded he only eats tuna fish he willnot clean hes

self my wife gives hem a bath he is are speshal kitty donnieKY

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> > From: mm_up_north <mm_up_north@ yahoo.com>

> > Subject: Re: Thank You

> > To: Hugs-N-Pain@ yahoogroups. com

> > Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 10:22 AM

> > I suffer from alot problems with sleep due to pain. I

> have

> > been told

> > that stress causes the pain I have to be worse and in

> turn

> > leads to

> > more sleep loss and stress. I am also am new to the

> group

> > and am also

> > divorcing so now I am a single mom to a beautiful 1

> year

> > old.

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> > > Thank you for the warm welcome to the group. I

> live in

> > Wisconsin and

> > > am in the beginnings of a divorce. My husband

> could

> > not take the

> > > health problems and money problems they brought

> on us.

> > It hurts, but

> > > my faith is strong and I will go on. Does anyone

> out

> > there have sleep

> > > problems because of the pain?

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awwwwwwwwwwwwwww. That is so neat. Life is precious. We humans have such a

precious gift and that's to nurture such creatures and feel good about it. I'd

do the very same. Glad you didn't take the easy way out. Doing the good things

and taking a tuffer road has it's own reward. Mine would eat only tuna if they

knew they only had to act retarded to get it. I'm not telling them this

story....they'll do it. Of course Byte may try it...he already knows how to get

steak.

Lotacats

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Lotacatsfunpix.com

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> > > From: mm_up_north <mm_up_north@ yahoo.com>

> > > Subject: Re: Thank You

> > > To: Hugs-N-Pain@ yahoogroups. com

> > > Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 10:22 AM

> > > I suffer from alot problems with sleep due to

> pain. I

> > have

> > > been told

> > > that stress causes the pain I have to be worse

> and in

> > turn

> > > leads to

> > > more sleep loss and stress. I am also am new to

> the

> > group

> > > and am also

> > > divorcing so now I am a single mom to a beautiful

> 1

> > year

> > > old.

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> > > >

> > > > Thank you for the warm welcome to the group.

> I

> > live in

> > > Wisconsin and

> > > > am in the beginnings of a divorce. My

> husband

> > could

> > > not take the

> > > > health problems and money problems they

> brought

> > on us.

> > > It hurts, but

> > > > my faith is strong and I will go on. Does

> anyone

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> > > there have sleep

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hi lotacats buba my specal cat is so sweet when he gets hers tuna my wife puts

hem in the bedroom to eat all the other cats weit at the door for hes leftovers

he stays laid up on the couch with me he cannot stand to be by hes self he is

are 1 cat he is my specalkitty donnieKY

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> > > From: mm_up_north <mm_up_north@ yahoo.com>

> > > Subject: Re: Thank You

> > > To: Hugs-N-Pain@ yahoogroups. com

> > > Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 10:22 AM

> > > I suffer from alot problems with sleep due to

> pain. I

> > have

> > > been told

> > > that stress causes the pain I have to be worse

> and in

> > turn

> > > leads to

> > > more sleep loss and stress. I am also am new to

> the

> > group

> > > and am also

> > > divorcing so now I am a single mom to a beautiful

> 1

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> > > old.

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> > > > Thank you for the warm welcome to the group.

> I

> > live in

> > > Wisconsin and

> > > > am in the beginnings of a divorce. My

> husband

> > could

> > > not take the

> > > > health problems and money problems they

> brought

> > on us.

> > > It hurts, but

> > > > my faith is strong and I will go on. Does

> anyone

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