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[Guest guest]

, thanks for the info. I am in Mass. As far as reasonable accomodations,

they did not comply. I am also on the 6th floor of a 9 floor building, and the

units above also have mold. I am sure I will enjoy the TFS info. Darlene

<vbrk@...> wrote: Darlene,

I agree w/you. You will really enjoy the TFS information, atleast I hope you

enjoy it as much as I did.

I did put something I leaned in a Real Estate class to the test today. This

may help some of you who are facing living in an apartment like we are right

now.

It worked too. Called the management company. Told them I had a daughter

w/MCS and asthma, and she would need special accommodations. (these tips are

also the law here in Michigan, so you might want to check your laws in your

state-they must make reasonable accommodations) Told them that the duct work

would need to cleaned professionally, Merv 11 filters would need to be used, and

that I'd need an apartment w/either hard floors or new carpet, then we'd need to

wait for it to off gas for a couple of months, and I would need to have indoor

air quality tests ran to ensure her safety. They agreed, and were very happy to

accommodate. Some places may make you pay for the duct cleaning, and x-tra

cost of the filters. But geez if you have to live in an apartment atleast you

know it is somewhat safe. Yes, of course there are people that carpet bothers

and paints bother and so forth. But, each individual has to assess their own

situation. Thought it might help some of you

though who have concerns of apartment living, and are forced to live in one.

Also, remember if it is a 2 story unit the upper units are usually the safest.

Hope this helps some of you.

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, I went onto the EPA site, called the toll free number and ordered the

kit. They were very nice and said they would get it right out to me. This should

be a mandatory kit for every school.

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,

EXACTLY!

Proactive, cooperative, specific. The agreement, including how

actions are verified, is negotiated prior to signing a contract. And,

I hope, this agreement is part of the contract (in writing). Finally,

if something changes, do you have an escape clause? Negotiate that up

front, also.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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> Darlene,

> I agree w/you. You will really enjoy the TFS information, atleast I hope you

enjoy it as much as I did.

>

> I did put something I leaned in a Real Estate class to the test today. This

may help some of you who are facing living in an apartment like we are right

now.

> It worked too. Called the management company. Told them I had a daughter

w/MCS and asthma, and she would need special accommodations. (these tips are

also the law here in Michigan, so you might want to check your laws in your

state-they must make reasonable accommodations) Told them that the duct work

would need to cleaned professionally, Merv 11 filters would need to be used, and

that I'd need an apartment w/either hard floors or new carpet, then we'd need to

wait for it to off gas for a couple of months, and I would need to have indoor

air quality tests ran to ensure her safety. They agreed, and were very happy to

accommodate. Some places may make you pay for the duct cleaning, and x-tra

cost of the filters. But geez if you have to live in an apartment atleast you

know it is somewhat safe. Yes, of course there are people that carpet bothers

and paints bother and so forth. But, each individual has to assess their own

situation. Thought it might help some of you though

who have concerns of apartment

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Carl for that suggestion. Hadn't even thought of it. I'll throw that

in at the last minute. LOL I just hate having to do this stuff. Just wish

everyone of us here were normal and could just walk in sign, move, live happily

ever after.

Great suggestion, thanx for thinking of it.

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,

EXACTLY!

Proactive, cooperative, specific. The agreement, including how

actions are verified, is negotiated prior to signing a contract. And,

I hope, this agreement is part of the contract (in writing). Finally,

if something changes, do you have an escape clause? Negotiate that up

front, also.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

> Darlene,

> I agree w/you. You will really enjoy the TFS information, atleast I hope you

enjoy it as much as I did.

>

> I did put something I leaned in a Real Estate class to the test today. This

may help some of you who are facing living in an apartment like we are right

now.

> It worked too. Called the management company. Told them I had a daughter

w/MCS and asthma, and she would need special accommodations. (these tips are

also the law here in Michigan, so you might want to check your laws in your

state-they must make reasonable accommodations) Told them that the duct work

would need to cleaned professionally, Merv 11 filters would need to be used, and

that I'd need an apartment w/either hard floors or new carpet, then we'd need to

wait for it to off gas for a couple of months, and I would need to have indoor

air quality tests ran to ensure her safety. They agreed, and were very happy to

accommodate. Some places may make you pay for the duct cleaning, and x-tra cost

of the filters. But geez if you have to live in an apartment atleast you know it

is somewhat safe. Yes, of course there are people that carpet bothers and paints

bother and so forth. But, each individual has to assess their own situation.

Thought it might help some of you though

who have concerns of apartment

>

[Guest guest]

Carl and , the agreement you speak of, including how actions are verified:

never mentioned and no escape clause. Everything that I have done as far as

requesting reasonable accomodations, was by the book and in writing, with

medical documentation, and mycologist report and doctor's even talking with

management on the phone telling them i need to be out of here, in which they

still denied me. They did offer me another apartment in the complex, in which I

had stated would have to be tested prior to me entering into, and they will not

have additional testing completed in this complex because it only proves that

the molds tenants are complaining of, exists throughout the entire building. I

hope I have been clear in explaining this to you. I am still actively with

consistence doing all that I can do to leave here because I know if I don't it

could kill me. Honestly, I don't enjoy the fact that I have to breath with an

oxygen tank in addition to all the other

medications. I am doing my best in trying to leave. Darlene

" Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> wrote:

,

EXACTLY!

Proactive, cooperative, specific. The agreement, including how

actions are verified, is negotiated prior to signing a contract. And,

I hope, this agreement is part of the contract (in writing). Finally,

if something changes, do you have an escape clause? Negotiate that up

front, also.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

> Darlene,

> I agree w/you. You will really enjoy the TFS information, atleast I hope you

enjoy it as much as I did.

>

> I did put something I leaned in a Real Estate class to the test today. This

may help some of you who are facing living in an apartment like we are right

now.

> It worked too. Called the management company. Told them I had a daughter

w/MCS and asthma, and she would need special accommodations. (these tips are

also the law here in Michigan, so you might want to check your laws in your

state-they must make reasonable accommodations) Told them that the duct work

would need to cleaned professionally, Merv 11 filters would need to be used, and

that I'd need an apartment w/either hard floors or new carpet, then we'd need to

wait for it to off gas for a couple of months, and I would need to have indoor

air quality tests ran to ensure her safety. They agreed, and were very happy to

accommodate. Some places may make you pay for the duct cleaning, and x-tra

cost of the filters. But geez if you have to live in an apartment atleast you

know it is somewhat safe. Yes, of course there are people that carpet bothers

and paints bother and so forth. But, each individual has to assess their own

situation. Thought it might help some of you

though

who have concerns of apartment

>

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Darlene,

By no means do I believe you enjoy your situation. It is a struggle sometimes

w/landlords. The info. I provided was not to upset you or anything. It was for

others to understand their legal rights. Also, that if a landlord does not

provide reasonable accommodations there are legal consequences. The

consequences are pretty large too against the landlord. That is why I provided

the information. If you do have the documentation then it seems to me they are

not following the disabilities act, and you have legal grounds to leave.

As I said don't take it as telling you what to do. I am sure you have done

everything you could think of. Like I try to do. But, sometimes there are

things I don't know, or didn't think about. That's all. Sorry if you took it

wrong, or it came across wrong. It wasn't intended to do so. It was intended

to inform others of some of the laws out there that are followed strictly, and

how to use them, incase some didn't know. I think Carl was just giving me a

suggestion of something else to do that would help protect my family. Something

I didn't think of. Will they do it? Not sure but I will try. If not and a

problem occurs, I will use the disabilities/reasonable accommodations act to

leave if they can't fix it or refuse to. I hope all works out for you. Sorry my

suggestions didn't fit your circumstance.

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Carl and , the agreement you speak of, including how actions are

verified: never mentioned and no escape clause. Everything that I have done as

far as requesting reasonable accomodations, was by the book and in writing, with

medical documentation, and mycologist report and doctor's even talking with

management on the phone telling them i need to be out of here, in which they

still denied me.

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, you did not upset me. No, what upsets me is having these landlords

disbelieve and downplay something so horrific. I thank you very much for the

help. Darlene

<vbrk@...> wrote: Darlene,

By no means do I believe you enjoy your situation. It is a struggle sometimes

w/landlords. The info. I provided was not to upset you or anything. It was for

others to understand their legal rights. Also, that if a landlord does not

provide reasonable accommodations there are legal consequences. The

consequences are pretty large too against the landlord. That is why I provided

the information. If you do have the documentation then it seems to me they are

not following the disabilities act, and you have legal grounds to leave.

As I said don't take it as telling you what to do. I am sure you have done

everything you could think of. Like I try to do. But, sometimes there are

things I don't know, or didn't think about. That's all. Sorry if you took it

wrong, or it came across wrong. It wasn't intended to do so. It was intended

to inform others of some of the laws out there that are followed strictly, and

how to use them, incase some didn't know. I think Carl was just giving me a

suggestion of something else to do that would help protect my family. Something

I didn't think of. Will they do it? Not sure but I will try. If not and a

problem occurs, I will use the disabilities/reasonable accommodations act to

leave if they can't fix it or refuse to. I hope all works out for you. Sorry my

suggestions didn't fit your circumstance.

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Carl and , the agreement you speak of, including how actions are verified:

never mentioned and no escape clause. Everything that I have done as far as

requesting reasonable accomodations, was by the book and in writing, with

medical documentation, and mycologist report and doctor's even talking with

management on the phone telling them i need to be out of here, in which they

still denied me.

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Darlene,

I hope my comments didn't upset your either. My intent was to add to

what you said plus 's comments for the benefit of all. Do the

best you can with the possible options.

And that leads to one of the problems with this whole indoor

environmental quality situation. WE don't know what is possible so we

don't know what to ask for or what to insist on. Instead, we are

often left at the mercy of the landlord, employer or other authority

who only offers a few limited options designed to protect themselves,

not us.

We are in the process of leaning how to better take care of ourselves

inspite of what they want us to believe. Information is power and

that is what KC and Sharon provide to those that read this group.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

> , you did not upset me. No, what upsets me is having these landlords

disbelieve and downplay something so horrific. I thank you very much for the

help. Darlene

>

> <vbrk@...> wrote: Darlene,

> By no means do I believe you enjoy your situation. It is a struggle

sometimes w/landlords. The info. I provided was not to upset you or anything.

It was for others to understand their legal rights. Also, that if a landlord

does not provide reasonable accommodations there are legal consequences. The

consequences are pretty large too against the landlord. That is why I provided

the information. If you do have the documentation then it seems to me they are

not following the disabilities act, and you have legal grounds to leave.

> As I said don't take it as telling you what to do. I am sure you have done

everything you could think of. Like I try to do. But, sometimes there are

things I don't know, or didn't think about. That's all. Sorry if you took it

wrong, or it came across wrong. It wasn't intended to do so. It was intended

to inform others of some of the laws out there that are followed strictly, and

how to use them, incase some didn't know. I think Carl was just giving me a

suggestion of something else to do that would help protect my family. Something

I didn't think of. Will they do it? Not sure but I will try. If not and a

problem occurs, I will use the disabilities/reasonable accommodations act to

leave if they can't fix it or refuse to. I hope all works out for you. Sorry my

suggestions didn't fit your circumstance.

>

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>

> Carl and , the agreement you speak of, including how actions are

verified: never mentioned and no escape clause. Everything that I have done as

far as requesting reasonable accomodations, was by the book and in writing, with

medical documentation, and mycologist report and doctor's even talking with

management on the phone telling them i need to be out of here, in which they

still denied me.

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[Guest guest]

Carl, yourself and have given me some valuable information that i can work

with. I appreciate it very much. The information will be very useful, I

believe due to my circumstances. I love being on this group because the support

with the valuable info that I receive I believe does benenfit all of us. KC anc

Sharon have been wonderful and very helpful. When I need to talk they have been

their for me as with others. and Carl, thank you very much. I am sure if

you knew the entire situation here, you would then know that you did help me.

Thank you both. Darlene

" Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> wrote:

Darlene,

I hope my comments didn't upset your either. My intent was to add to

what you said plus 's comments for the benefit of all. Do the

best you can with the possible options.

And that leads to one of the problems with this whole indoor

environmental quality situation. WE don't know what is possible so we

don't know what to ask for or what to insist on. Instead, we are

often left at the mercy of the landlord, employer or other authority

who only offers a few limited options designed to protect themselves,

not us.

We are in the process of leaning how to better take care of ourselves

inspite of what they want us to believe. Information is power and

that is what KC and Sharon provide to those that read this group.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

> , you did not upset me. No, what upsets me is having these landlords

disbelieve and downplay something so horrific. I thank you very much for the

help. Darlene

>

> <vbrk@...> wrote: Darlene,

> By no means do I believe you enjoy your situation. It is a struggle

sometimes w/landlords. The info. I provided was not to upset you or anything.

It was for others to understand their legal rights. Also, that if a landlord

does not provide reasonable accommodations there are legal consequences. The

consequences are pretty large too against the landlord. That is why I provided

the information. If you do have the documentation then it seems to me they are

not following the disabilities act, and you have legal grounds to leave.

> As I said don't take it as telling you what to do. I am sure you have done

everything you could think of. Like I try to do. But, sometimes there are

things I don't know, or didn't think about. That's all. Sorry if you took it

wrong, or it came across wrong. It wasn't intended to do so. It was intended

to inform others of some of the laws out there that are followed strictly, and

how to use them, incase some didn't know. I think Carl was just giving me a

suggestion of something else to do that would help protect my family. Something

I didn't think of. Will they do it? Not sure but I will try. If not and a

problem occurs, I will use the disabilities/reasonable accommodations act to

leave if they can't fix it or refuse to. I hope all works out for you. Sorry my

suggestions didn't fit your circumstance.

>

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>

> Carl and , the agreement you speak of, including how actions are

verified: never mentioned and no escape clause. Everything that I have done as

far as requesting reasonable accomodations, was by the book and in writing, with

medical documentation, and mycologist report and doctor's even talking with

management on the phone telling them i need to be out of here, in which they

still denied me.

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Carl Grimes

And that leads to one of the problems with this whole indoor

environmental quality situation. WE don't know what is possible so we

don't know what to ask for or what to insist on. Instead, we are

often left at the mercy of the landlord, employer or other authority

who only offers a few limited options designed to protect themselves,

not us.

This is so true someone I know called me to help by calling HUD Kerr in

Boca Raton Housing again the blame was on me? he said knowing I was on the

Phone. Poor Mrs. Wong Miss have e-mail the Miami HUD office for years,

she cause Mrs. Wong so many problems and Mrs. Wong had the mold clean up Hummmmm

what a joke. I said not true I have test to prove it and people that know he

said she has been all over the internet to the President and every one else. All

I could do is laughter to myself it was so funny I forgot to laugh.

Everything that I have done as far as requesting reasonable accomodations, was

by the book and in writing, with medical documentation, and mycologist report

and doctor's even talking with management on the phone telling them i need to be

out of here, in which they still denied me.

Darlene is telling you the truth same thing happen to me only worse and no

justice any place I just pray they don't do to Darlene what they have done to

me.

Example of HUD workers:

This email was Publish in 2002 By: " Huriash, " <LHuriash@...>

this story was done in 2002

Elvira

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>

> Carl and , the agreement you speak of, including how actions are

verified: never mentioned and no escape clause. Everything that I have done as

far as requesting reasonable accomodations, was by the book and in writing, with

medical documentation, and mycologist report and doctor's even talking with

management on the phone telling them i need to be out of here, in which they

still denied me.

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Elvira, thank you for your thoughts of me and my situation being in a HUD

project based apartment. Take care, keep up the good work that you are doing

for all of us. Your a good person. Darlene

elvira52 <Elvira52@...> wrote: Carl

Grimes

And that leads to one of the problems with this whole indoor

environmental quality situation. WE don't know what is possible so we

don't know what to ask for or what to insist on. Instead, we are

often left at the mercy of the landlord, employer or other authority

who only offers a few limited options designed to protect themselves,

not us.

This is so true someone I know called me to help by calling HUD Kerr in

Boca Raton Housing again the blame was on me? he said knowing I was on the

Phone. Poor Mrs. Wong Miss have e-mail the Miami HUD office for years,

she cause Mrs. Wong so many problems and Mrs. Wong had the mold clean up Hummmmm

what a joke. I said not true I have test to prove it and people that know he

said she has been all over the internet to the President and every one else. All

I could do is laughter to myself it was so funny I forgot to laugh.

Everything that I have done as far as requesting reasonable accomodations, was

by the book and in writing, with medical documentation, and mycologist report

and doctor's even talking with management on the phone telling them i need to be

out of here, in which they still denied me.

Darlene is telling you the truth same thing happen to me only worse and no

justice any place I just pray they don't do to Darlene what they have done to

me.

Example of HUD workers:

This email was Publish in 2002 By: " Huriash, " <LHuriash@...>

this story was done in 2002

Elvira

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>

> Carl and , the agreement you speak of, including how actions are

verified: never mentioned and no escape clause. Everything that I have done as

far as requesting reasonable accomodations, was by the book and in writing, with

medical documentation, and mycologist report and doctor's even talking with

management on the phone telling them i need to be out of here, in which they

still denied me.

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Darlene,

I Pray it Helps it's such a shame what going on in HUD Housing and no one will

do a thing and they talk about voting how can we vote under such presser? You

are a wonderful person help me out a lot I love you for that keep up the good

work and we all will keep on fighting the right you are also a good person.

Elvira

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>

> Carl and , the agreement you speak of, including how actions are

verified: never mentioned and no escape clause. Everything that I have done as

far as requesting reasonable accomodations, was by the book and in writing, with

medical documentation, and mycologist report and doctor's even talking with

management on the phone telling them i need to be out of here, in which they

still denied me.

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