Re: New type of contamination

[Guest guest]

I cant tell you whats happening there but I lived with stachy for

years and always had some relief around the first few weeks of april.

I than found out that stachy is growing and not produceing spores

around this time. it grows a slime cover and until it starts drying

out or bugs eat away the slime it cant release spores or myco's.

stachy is very drying to your mucus airways and what ever is in the

air right now actually helps me have a little moisture to my sinuses

which gives relief. it could depend on the weather as to what its

doing there. there as been a few years where this relief hasn't

happened and it didn't rain alot. the only problem is that its

doesn't last long and after a few weeks I start felling pretty bad

and can smell mold in the air. it gets hot and humid and mushrooms

pop up and molds gets really busy.

>

> I had thought I'd seen the worst contaminations there are out there,

> but mycotoxins never cease to surprise me. On March 12th this year I

> picked up something from the pavement near the building I live in.

It

> stuck on the soles of my shoes and on some papers I carried with me

> that day (I crouched to tie a shoe and left the bag with the papers

on

> the pavement). I suspect that the contaminated pavement area is

being

> " recontaminated " on a daily basis by someone's shoes, probably by

> someone working in the building nearby, since it's a very small area

> (about 5 square meters, and the further I go from there the less

> contamination is felt on the ground).

>

>

> At first this contamination produced seemingly the same symptoms as

> the previous mycotoxin contaminations, and I thought it would cause

> only limited damage... but as the time went by I noticed there were

> some big differences. If it doesn't penetrate or get stuck in a

> material, it is a lot easier to wash than previous contaminations.

But

> if it does penetrate some material, it is impossible to get it out

of it.

>

> For a few days the contaminated papers were left on one side of the

> polished wooden table which is very close to the bed I sleep in. It

> seems that the toxins from these papers penetrated the table and I

> can't decontaminate it with ANYTHING whatsoever (I tried virtually

> everything; the full list of substances is below). Normally, with

the

> previous contaminations, a mixture of borax and strong hydrogen

> peroxide would do the trick, but not this time.

>

> The symptoms are different too. With previous contaminations,

stomach

> upset, strong nausea, urge to vomit and diarrhea were the most

common

> symptoms. Exhaustion and memory problems would follow a week later

if

> I don't decontaminate. However, this new contamination produces more

> headaches, sort of eye strain, tremendous fatigue and exhaustion,

> AMAZING negative impact on memory (especially short term memory),

the

> ability to think clearly is severely hindered, statching feeling in

> the mouth and lungs... sometimes it causes slight diarrhea, but more

> often constipation (!!!?).

>

> In the morning about 7 AM it always wakes me up (even though I'm

> exhausted and would sleep much longer), and I can almost feel it as

if

> I'm inhaling fine dust which is coming from the table (about 2 feet

> from my nose). It seems to be most active in the morning, or maybe

I'm

> most reactive to it in the morning. Can it be still alive? Its

> strength does temporarily subside if I treat the table with eg.

borax

> or hydrogen peroxide, but it always returns.

>

>

> And it's apparently cummulative. Today I found out that my vision

has

> deteriorated significantly, I can't see well even with my glasses.

I'm

> feeling like I've aged 10 years in just 2-3 weeks!

>

> Could this be the mycotoxins from Stachy? It looks like the symptoms

> match perfectly (but there is absolutely no moisture problem in my

> whole building). If so, what can I do? Nobody seems to be affected

in

> the whole building (or whole town for that matter). I really feel

> stranger than Ive ever felt. Everyone enjoys Spring, but I am at the

> brink of Hell.

>

>

> Any advice about the new table? I'm thiking about buying a table

with

> glass surface and metal legs. I'm afraid anything wooden or plastic

> would be wasted pretty soon. Is glass table a good idea?

>

>

> The list of subsances that I tried so far:

>

> - Borax and hydrogen peroxide (managed to decontaminate some solid

> objects such as the computer table and keyboard, but failed with

> leather belt, synthetic jacket, papers and the living room table)

> - Bleach (nothing, even worsens the condition after some time),

> quarternary ammonium salt (benzalkonium chloride), ammonia, salt,

> baking soda, various essential oils...

>

>

> -Branislav

>

[Guest guest]

Branislav,

Yes, it is accumulative. It could be that there are multiple molds

you are being exposed to but whatever the case is it is very

dangerous. I would just get rid of the table. I had to get rid of

two couches because they couldn't be decontaminated. Since my

exposure almost ten years ago (but only finding out that it was mold

five years ago) I have felt like I've aged ten years, also. My eye

sight is just about gone. It's hard for me to read now because I get

floaters or blind spots. I have severe fatigue, dizziness, pain,

nausea, constipation, migraines, short term memory loss, etc., etc.

The list goes on and on.

Just be careful because it only gets worse. My daughter had perfect

vision and within a year she now wears glasses (she's only 13 and

has fatigue, headaches, floaters, etc.)

Stachy, Aspergillos, Chaotomiun, Penicillium (not spelling these

correctly) are just sum of the mold found in my home and once it's

in your blood stream it's almost impossible to get it out, so you

tend to get worse as time goes by.

Good luck and be careful,

Dana

--- In , " Branislav " <arealis@...>

wrote:

>

> I had thought I'd seen the worst contaminations there are out

there,

> but mycotoxins never cease to surprise me. On March 12th this year

I

> picked up something from the pavement near the building I live in.

It

> stuck on the soles of my shoes and on some papers I carried with me

> that day (I crouched to tie a shoe and left the bag with the

papers on

> the pavement). I suspect that the contaminated pavement area is

being

> " recontaminated " on a daily basis by someone's shoes, probably by

> someone working in the building nearby, since it's a very small

area

> (about 5 square meters, and the further I go from there the less

> contamination is felt on the ground).

>

>

> At first this contamination produced seemingly the same symptoms as

> the previous mycotoxin contaminations, and I thought it would cause

> only limited damage... but as the time went by I noticed there were

> some big differences. If it doesn't penetrate or get stuck in a

> material, it is a lot easier to wash than previous contaminations.

But

> if it does penetrate some material, it is impossible to get it out

of it.

>

> For a few days the contaminated papers were left on one side of the

> polished wooden table which is very close to the bed I sleep in. It

> seems that the toxins from these papers penetrated the table and I

> can't decontaminate it with ANYTHING whatsoever (I tried virtually

> everything; the full list of substances is below). Normally, with

the

> previous contaminations, a mixture of borax and strong hydrogen

> peroxide would do the trick, but not this time.

>

> The symptoms are different too. With previous contaminations,

stomach

> upset, strong nausea, urge to vomit and diarrhea were the most

common

> symptoms. Exhaustion and memory problems would follow a week later

if

> I don't decontaminate. However, this new contamination produces

more

> headaches, sort of eye strain, tremendous fatigue and exhaustion,

> AMAZING negative impact on memory (especially short term memory),

the

> ability to think clearly is severely hindered, statching feeling in

> the mouth and lungs... sometimes it causes slight diarrhea, but

more

> often constipation (!!!?).

>

> In the morning about 7 AM it always wakes me up (even though I'm

> exhausted and would sleep much longer), and I can almost feel it

as if

> I'm inhaling fine dust which is coming from the table (about 2 feet

> from my nose). It seems to be most active in the morning, or maybe

I'm

> most reactive to it in the morning. Can it be still alive? Its

> strength does temporarily subside if I treat the table with eg.

borax

> or hydrogen peroxide, but it always returns.

>

>

> And it's apparently cummulative. Today I found out that my vision

has

> deteriorated significantly, I can't see well even with my glasses.

I'm

> feeling like I've aged 10 years in just 2-3 weeks!

>

> Could this be the mycotoxins from Stachy? It looks like the

symptoms

> match perfectly (but there is absolutely no moisture problem in my

> whole building). If so, what can I do? Nobody seems to be affected

in

> the whole building (or whole town for that matter). I really feel

> stranger than Ive ever felt. Everyone enjoys Spring, but I am at

the

> brink of Hell.

>

>

> Any advice about the new table? I'm thiking about buying a table

with

> glass surface and metal legs. I'm afraid anything wooden or plastic

> would be wasted pretty soon. Is glass table a good idea?

>

>

> The list of subsances that I tried so far:

>

> - Borax and hydrogen peroxide (managed to decontaminate some solid

> objects such as the computer table and keyboard, but failed with

> leather belt, synthetic jacket, papers and the living room table)

> - Bleach (nothing, even worsens the condition after some time),

> quarternary ammonium salt (benzalkonium chloride), ammonia, salt,

> baking soda, various essential oils...

>

>

> -Branislav

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Dana,

I have limited time, writing at my computer desk which also got

severely contaminated, so I can't write much.

Constipation is worse than diarrhoea. How do you cope with it? Does

your doctor know what causes it? Do you think doing Dr Shoemaker's

blood tests would be of any benefit for me at this time? I did the

vision test (VCS) again a week ago, while I was not feeling well and I

passed it without problems (?). COuld be that what said, that

there are sometimes anomalies in supersensitive patients.

Until this newest contamination, my body always eliminated the toxins

relatively fast (no exposure for a day or two - I felt great, a week

w/o exposure almost a reborn man) and I don't think the living mold

managed to enter my body - until now... now I'm not certain.

What I do know it's not likely that the living mold is growing in my

appartment, I don't even think there's living mold in my neighbours'

appartment - it could be all dead mold, spores and mycotoxins made

last Summer. I remember feeling strong hits last September whenever I

passed by them, but never expected anything like this. So it's

effectively all due to cross-contamination.

The problem with disposing of furniture is hugely problematic because

my parents (esp my father) are sure it's all happening in my head

only. Every morning he comes and when I open my mouth to say something

he says " Now let's hear the latest crap he has made up for today! New

theories about that Internet scam he found about non-esistent toxic

mold. It only gets worse each day. Now he will demand that we toss all

furniture or all clothes... " . So it's very discouraging. It was sad,

but bearable while I could control contaminations with borax and

peroxide, but now it's out of my control really. Perhaps I should go

to my father's place? I'm only afraid it (the contamination) is going

to come after with me, it certainly " likes " me

Thanks to Who as well, I'll write tomorrow more if I get better.

-Branislav

> >

> > I had thought I'd seen the worst contaminations there are out

> there,

> > but mycotoxins never cease to surprise me. On March 12th this year

> I

> > picked up something from the pavement near the building I live in.

> It

> > stuck on the soles of my shoes and on some papers I carried with me

> > that day (I crouched to tie a shoe and left the bag with the

> papers on

> > the pavement). I suspect that the contaminated pavement area is

> being

> > " recontaminated " on a daily basis by someone's shoes, probably by

> > someone working in the building nearby, since it's a very small

> area

> > (about 5 square meters, and the further I go from there the less

> > contamination is felt on the ground).

> >

> >

> > At first this contamination produced seemingly the same symptoms as

> > the previous mycotoxin contaminations, and I thought it would cause

> > only limited damage... but as the time went by I noticed there were

> > some big differences. If it doesn't penetrate or get stuck in a

> > material, it is a lot easier to wash than previous contaminations.

> But

> > if it does penetrate some material, it is impossible to get it out

> of it.

> >

> > For a few days the contaminated papers were left on one side of the

> > polished wooden table which is very close to the bed I sleep in. It

> > seems that the toxins from these papers penetrated the table and I

> > can't decontaminate it with ANYTHING whatsoever (I tried virtually

> > everything; the full list of substances is below). Normally, with

> the

> > previous contaminations, a mixture of borax and strong hydrogen

> > peroxide would do the trick, but not this time.

> >

> > The symptoms are different too. With previous contaminations,

> stomach

> > upset, strong nausea, urge to vomit and diarrhea were the most

> common

> > symptoms. Exhaustion and memory problems would follow a week later

> if

> > I don't decontaminate. However, this new contamination produces

> more

> > headaches, sort of eye strain, tremendous fatigue and exhaustion,

> > AMAZING negative impact on memory (especially short term memory),

> the

> > ability to think clearly is severely hindered, statching feeling in

> > the mouth and lungs... sometimes it causes slight diarrhea, but

> more

> > often constipation (!!!?).

> >

> > In the morning about 7 AM it always wakes me up (even though I'm

> > exhausted and would sleep much longer), and I can almost feel it

> as if

> > I'm inhaling fine dust which is coming from the table (about 2 feet

> > from my nose). It seems to be most active in the morning, or maybe

> I'm

> > most reactive to it in the morning. Can it be still alive? Its

> > strength does temporarily subside if I treat the table with eg.

> borax

> > or hydrogen peroxide, but it always returns.

> >

> >

> > And it's apparently cummulative. Today I found out that my vision

> has

> > deteriorated significantly, I can't see well even with my glasses.

> I'm

> > feeling like I've aged 10 years in just 2-3 weeks!

> >

> > Could this be the mycotoxins from Stachy? It looks like the

> symptoms

> > match perfectly (but there is absolutely no moisture problem in my

> > whole building). If so, what can I do? Nobody seems to be affected

> in

> > the whole building (or whole town for that matter). I really feel

> > stranger than Ive ever felt. Everyone enjoys Spring, but I am at

> the

> > brink of Hell.

> >

> >

> > Any advice about the new table? I'm thiking about buying a table

> with

> > glass surface and metal legs. I'm afraid anything wooden or plastic

> > would be wasted pretty soon. Is glass table a good idea?

> >

> >

> > The list of subsances that I tried so far:

> >

> > - Borax and hydrogen peroxide (managed to decontaminate some solid

> > objects such as the computer table and keyboard, but failed with

> > leather belt, synthetic jacket, papers and the living room table)

> > - Bleach (nothing, even worsens the condition after some time),

> > quarternary ammonium salt (benzalkonium chloride), ammonia, salt,

> > baking soda, various essential oils...

> >

> >

> > -Branislav

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I took the VCS test and it was positive so maybe try it again or get

blood tested for mold (aspergillus, stachy, etc.) if you can afford

to do so then you will know for sure. My family thought I was crazy,

too. Hang in there.

Dana

> > >

> > > I had thought I'd seen the worst contaminations there are out

> > there,

> > > but mycotoxins never cease to surprise me. On March 12th this

year

> > I

> > > picked up something from the pavement near the building I live

in.

> > It

> > > stuck on the soles of my shoes and on some papers I carried

with me

> > > that day (I crouched to tie a shoe and left the bag with the

> > papers on

> > > the pavement). I suspect that the contaminated pavement area

is

> > being

> > > " recontaminated " on a daily basis by someone's shoes, probably

by

> > > someone working in the building nearby, since it's a very

small

> > area

> > > (about 5 square meters, and the further I go from there the

less

> > > contamination is felt on the ground).

> > >

> > >

> > > At first this contamination produced seemingly the same

symptoms as

> > > the previous mycotoxin contaminations, and I thought it would

cause

> > > only limited damage... but as the time went by I noticed there

were

> > > some big differences. If it doesn't penetrate or get stuck in a

> > > material, it is a lot easier to wash than previous

contaminations.

> > But

> > > if it does penetrate some material, it is impossible to get it

out

> > of it.

> > >

> > > For a few days the contaminated papers were left on one side

of the

> > > polished wooden table which is very close to the bed I sleep

in. It

> > > seems that the toxins from these papers penetrated the table

and I

> > > can't decontaminate it with ANYTHING whatsoever (I tried

virtually

> > > everything; the full list of substances is below). Normally,

with

> > the

> > > previous contaminations, a mixture of borax and strong hydrogen

> > > peroxide would do the trick, but not this time.

> > >

> > > The symptoms are different too. With previous contaminations,

> > stomach

> > > upset, strong nausea, urge to vomit and diarrhea were the most

> > common

> > > symptoms. Exhaustion and memory problems would follow a week

later

> > if

> > > I don't decontaminate. However, this new contamination

produces

> > more

> > > headaches, sort of eye strain, tremendous fatigue and

exhaustion,

> > > AMAZING negative impact on memory (especially short term

memory),

> > the

> > > ability to think clearly is severely hindered, statching

feeling in

> > > the mouth and lungs... sometimes it causes slight diarrhea,

but

> > more

> > > often constipation (!!!?).

> > >

> > > In the morning about 7 AM it always wakes me up (even though

I'm

> > > exhausted and would sleep much longer), and I can almost feel

it

> > as if

> > > I'm inhaling fine dust which is coming from the table (about 2

feet

> > > from my nose). It seems to be most active in the morning, or

maybe

> > I'm

> > > most reactive to it in the morning. Can it be still alive? Its

> > > strength does temporarily subside if I treat the table with

eg.

> > borax

> > > or hydrogen peroxide, but it always returns.

> > >

> > >

> > > And it's apparently cummulative. Today I found out that my

vision

> > has

> > > deteriorated significantly, I can't see well even with my

glasses.

> > I'm

> > > feeling like I've aged 10 years in just 2-3 weeks!

> > >

> > > Could this be the mycotoxins from Stachy? It looks like the

> > symptoms

> > > match perfectly (but there is absolutely no moisture problem

in my

> > > whole building). If so, what can I do? Nobody seems to be

affected

> > in

> > > the whole building (or whole town for that matter). I really

feel

> > > stranger than Ive ever felt. Everyone enjoys Spring, but I am

at

> > the

> > > brink of Hell.

> > >

> > >

> > > Any advice about the new table? I'm thiking about buying a

table

> > with

> > > glass surface and metal legs. I'm afraid anything wooden or

plastic

> > > would be wasted pretty soon. Is glass table a good idea?

> > >

> > >

> > > The list of subsances that I tried so far:

> > >

> > > - Borax and hydrogen peroxide (managed to decontaminate some

solid

> > > objects such as the computer table and keyboard, but failed

with

> > > leather belt, synthetic jacket, papers and the living room

table)

> > > - Bleach (nothing, even worsens the condition after some time),

> > > quarternary ammonium salt (benzalkonium chloride), ammonia,

salt,

> > > baking soda, various essential oils...

> > >

> > >

> > > -Branislav

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Try cleaning the area with vinegar. It tends to work best on mold for

me.

> The list of subsances that I tried so far:

>

> - Borax and hydrogen peroxide (managed to decontaminate some solid

> objects such as the computer table and keyboard, but failed with

> leather belt, synthetic jacket, papers and the living room table)

> - Bleach (nothing, even worsens the condition after some time),

> quarternary ammonium salt (benzalkonium chloride), ammonia, salt,

> baking soda, various essential oils...

>

>

> -Branislav

>

[Guest guest]

VCS is Visual Contrast Sensitivity. Go to www.chronicneurotoxins.com

for more info. -Dana

> > > > >

> > > > > I had thought I'd seen the worst

> > contaminations there are out

> > > > there,

> > > > > but mycotoxins never cease to surprise me. On

> > March 12th this

> > year

> > > > I

> > > > > picked up something from the pavement near the

> > building I live

> > in.

> > > > It

> > > > > stuck on the soles of my shoes and on some

> > papers I carried

> > with me

> > > > > that day (I crouched to tie a shoe and left

> > the bag with the

> > > > papers on

> > > > > the pavement). I suspect that the contaminated

> > pavement area

> > is

> > > > being

> > > > > " recontaminated " on a daily basis by someone's

> > shoes, probably

> > by

> > > > > someone working in the building nearby, since

> > it's a very

> > small

> > > > area

> > > > > (about 5 square meters, and the further I go

> > from there the

> > less

> > > > > contamination is felt on the ground).

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > At first this contamination produced seemingly

> > the same

> > symptoms as

> > > > > the previous mycotoxin contaminations, and I

> > thought it would

> > cause

> > > > > only limited damage... but as the time went by

> > I noticed there

> > were

> > > > > some big differences. If it doesn't penetrate

> > or get stuck in a

> > > > > material, it is a lot easier to wash than

> > previous

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Jackie,

I applied vinegar yesterday evening and it seemed to work perfectly...

until this evening when the last remnant of the scent of vinegar

evaporated - the contamination started coming back almost full

strength

Is this " ressurection " potential common for mold? Even on a dry

surface? I'm really baffled by this. Scientists keep telling us mold

needs lots of moisture to live, but this mold sort of defies that as

well. Or does it? Could it be that the hyphae have grown deep into the

wood so surface treatment isn't as effective as it should be?

Btw. I knew about the ability of vinegar to kill mold, but didn't try

it with this contamination cause I thought it would be too weak for

it. I had partial results with vinegar regarding some previous

contaminations, and concluded it's only for weaker molds.

That been said, vinegar has knocked this mold out more than anything

else. I'm just sorry if it turns out it can't be wiped out completely

with it.

-Branislav

>

>

> > The list of subsances that I tried so far:

> >

> > - Borax and hydrogen peroxide (managed to decontaminate some solid

> > objects such as the computer table and keyboard, but failed with

> > leather belt, synthetic jacket, papers and the living room table)

> > - Bleach (nothing, even worsens the condition after some time),

> > quarternary ammonium salt (benzalkonium chloride), ammonia, salt,

> > baking soda, various essential oils...

> >

> >

> > -Branislav

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe keep applying the vinegar over and over. At least it will keep

the mold calmed down. I use full strength white distilled vinegar.

> >

> > Try cleaning the area with vinegar. It tends to work best on

mold for

> > me.

> >

> > --- In , " Branislav " <arealis@>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > > The list of subsances that I tried so far:

> > >

> > > - Borax and hydrogen peroxide (managed to decontaminate some

solid

> > > objects such as the computer table and keyboard, but failed with

> > > leather belt, synthetic jacket, papers and the living room

table)

> > > - Bleach (nothing, even worsens the condition after some time),

> > > quarternary ammonium salt (benzalkonium chloride), ammonia,

salt,

> > > baking soda, various essential oils...

> > >

> > >

> > > -Branislav

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Branislav, I agree with Jackie. Keep using it and if you can let it

soak in, but if you are dealing with a fine piece of furniture it

may hurt the finish or cause discoloration. Above all the other

products that I have used on mold, mildew, algae, you name it, white

vinegar has given me the best results with the growth it's self. As

far as mycotoxins that's a whole different story. I do know when you

apply vinegar to live mold, if you didn't smell it beforehand you

will after being applied. Which tells me it aggreviates and

stimulates mycotoxin release, but it does kill the mold. No one can

convience me that it doesn't, because wherever I've sprayed it on

live growth outdoors it only started growing back recently after

about 2 1/2 years. Mycotoxins are a whole 'nother creature.

KC

> > >

> > >

> > > > The list of subsances that I tried so far:

> > > >

> > > > - Borax and hydrogen peroxide (managed to decontaminate some

> solid

> > > > objects such as the computer table and keyboard, but failed

with

> > > > leather belt, synthetic jacket, papers and the living room

> table)

> > > > - Bleach (nothing, even worsens the condition after some

time),

> > > > quarternary ammonium salt (benzalkonium chloride), ammonia,

> salt,

> > > > baking soda, various essential oils...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -Branislav

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

you might also try ammonia and water.50-50 just dont mix with bleach

or anything else. hold nose while mixing.

> > >

> > >

> > > > The list of subsances that I tried so far:

> > > >

> > > > - Borax and hydrogen peroxide (managed to decontaminate some

> solid

> > > > objects such as the computer table and keyboard, but failed

with

> > > > leather belt, synthetic jacket, papers and the living room

> table)

> > > > - Bleach (nothing, even worsens the condition after some

time),

> > > > quarternary ammonium salt (benzalkonium chloride), ammonia,

> salt,

> > > > baking soda, various essential oils...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -Branislav

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

KC,

I removed part of this because I was wondering if it could be the

mold dying that is causing Branislav to have another hit?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > The list of subsances that I tried so far:

> > > > >

> > > > > - Borax and hydrogen peroxide (managed to decontaminate

some

> > solid

> > > > > objects such as the computer table and keyboard, but failed

> with

> > > > > leather belt, synthetic jacket, papers and the living room

> > table)

> > > > > - Bleach (nothing, even worsens the condition after some

> time),

> > > > > quarternary ammonium salt (benzalkonium chloride), ammonia,

> > salt,

> > > > > baking soda, various essential oils...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -Branislav

> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

It is so easy to deal with constipation. Something that is good for

you as well as releaves constipation is ascorbic acid powder. Get

the buffered kind, otherwise it's too acidic. Start with small

amount in water, usually they frizz in water to add in dissolving,

and increase size of dose until you find right dose size. Be

careful at first since you can get " ass burn " if you take too large

a dose, increase dose. Then you can always use it for this. It is

good for your immune system and to fight infection. My doctor wants

me to use it every day an amount I can tolerate without getting

diahrea. (also magnesium supplements will give you diahrea, so

moderate amounts will just relieve constipation), but ascorbic acid

is so good for you if you are sick, I'd recommend that over

magnesium supplements. Although I have seen some buffered ascorbic

acid powders that had magnesium also in it. Don't ever use a

laxative since there are so many healthy healthy ways to deal with

constipation that the chemicals aren't necessary and don't work as

well or as fast as ascorbic acid powder and some other remedies.

Be sure you get " ascorbic acid powder/not citric acid powder.

Can you at least move table away from bed, like into closet covered

with plastic or something?? Buy cheap furniture that you don't mind

pitching out. If this doesn't belong to you, putting it away from

your bed shouldn't hurt anything.

--- In , " Branislav " <arealis@...>

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> I had thought I'd seen the worst contaminations there are out

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[Guest guest]

KC and Jackie,

The jury is still out. When I apply vinegar it seems to completely

supress the emition of VOCs and mycotoxins and I don't feel anything.

But after some 12 hours or so the contamination returns. I think it's

definitely weaker than before I applied vinegar for the 1st time, but

it's still too early to conclude. This SOB of contamination has defied

all logic. Previous molds had a more logical 'behaviour', and with

each subsequent treatment with the substance that could kill them,

their strength would diminish in a predictable manner. This, on the

other hand, can be fostered with some substances. For instance bleach

will make it 'explode' with activity, filling the whole room with

spores, although you applied it on a surface you thought was almost

totally decontaminated.

Before vinegar was applied for the first time, when I would came close

to the contaminated surface on the tables, the mold smelled like... an

ashtray that hasn't been properly washed, or something reminiscent of

burnt wood... or maybe a very old smelly shoe LOL (the tables never

got moldy themselves, this is a cross-contamination thing through and

through). The contaminated areas also emmited some chemical (probably

mycotoxins) that went straight into the nose and head and caused sharp

pain, dizzines, nausea etc. After the treatment with vinegar the

ashtray-like smell has subsided considerably, but the

brain-pain-substance is still being emitted after vinegar evaporates

completely.

I'll experminet for a few more days, and hopefully vinegar will wash

this crap away completely. And if it doesn't happen I'll have to buy

new tables. It's not that I'm sorry to part with the tables - there

are many objects in my flat that were touched while I was contaminated

(personal documents, carpets, lots of clothes etc.; I almost always

underestimate the power of novel contaminations), so if vinegar works

that would be great! Having a powerful antidote is always of crucial

importance.

An acquaintance of mine, who is a biochemist with PhD working in USA,

told me that " if bleach can't deactivate it, then it's not

trichthecenes at all. In fact, it't not mold at all. " Oh well, we know

it's not so easy.

-Branislav

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> > > > The list of subsances that I tried so far:

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> > > > - Borax and hydrogen peroxide (managed to decontaminate some

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> > > > objects such as the computer table and keyboard, but failed with

> > > > leather belt, synthetic jacket, papers and the living room

> table)

> > > > - Bleach (nothing, even worsens the condition after some time),

> > > > quarternary ammonium salt (benzalkonium chloride), ammonia,

> salt,

> > > > baking soda, various essential oils...

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> > > > -Branislav

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