Re: Blood Pressure and Pain

December 28, 2008

hi jeanne i have my handicap plates and my blood presher is bad rite how because

of my pain my ears are ringing rite how the last month or so it has been bad and

my suger has been bad to i cannot control it that mite be why my ears ringing i

am going to change pain docs and see if i can get a handle on my helth problems

i have to drive so far to the pain doc i have not seen mine in 6 months my back

has been herting sence last march sence i tryed the nurostemulater trial now

that my back is herting it is hard to drive i am going to see if i can find a

pain doc closer to home jeanne do you live in louisville how donnieKY

Subject: Blood Pressure and Pain

To: Hugs-N-Pain

Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 3:50 PM

Hi!

To Donnie and anyone else this might affect-I had a very similar

experience as Lotsacats a year ago.

I had been seeing a Primary trained in Hawaii who was open to

alternative medicine, which I am interested in. We worked as a team

for several years. At that point I was out of a wheelchair, carefully

active, and for the first time in years, I would go for hours at a

time WITHOUT PAIN. It was wonderful! And then I moved.

We had booked a Primary in Louisville so that I would not run out of

meds. When I saw the Lou. Prime she no longer prescribed the level I

used NO MATTER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES. She was sympathetic, but explained

she would not lose her license just for me. She made an appointment

for me with a pain clinic, which I could not see for TWO AND A HALF

MONTHS.

To hurry this story along, in that time I looked for other

doctors,(with BP rising), tried to find strong enough herbal tenures

to help me (they don't exist here) and went to the ER several times,

to no avail, as my BP increased with my pain. My old Prime had

prepared a short copy of my history, explaining the dire need of my

duragesic patches and other pain killers, but when I went in the docs

refused to read them, saying they didn't have time. A couple of times

I came away from an 8 hour wait with ibuprofen! And my BP got higher

and higher.

My BP finally got to an impossible number. My ears were ringing and I

had chest pains. As they usually do when my BP is high they took me

right away, but AGAIN AS USUAL, tried to treat the BP, and not the

pain. When it wouldn't go down to even 250 over 150, (it had been 300

someover something),they finally gave me a shot, and it started down

immediately. I was given a minimum dosage of pills until my Pain

Management could see me. After I left the hospital I had trouble for

months concentrating, and my hands would shake for no reason. I was

given a physical that summer and told I had most probably suffered a

mild stroke.

I agree with Lotsacats. Don't mess around with it! The stronger our

pain, the more stress is put on our body.

Good Luck To All!

Jeanne

December 28, 2008

Mine didn't get that high but enuff to scare me into action. I was so fortunate

to have had the PA who acted so promptly and professionally.

What I'd like to know is...do we have any legal recourses. Anybody in first

year medical school would know that pain raises blood pressure and high blood

pressures cause strokes and heart problems. I mean...that is serious stuff.

Is this case I see a case of negligence. I'm not a law-suit-happy person by a

long shot but by the same token they help keep some people on their toes. If

someone is negligent by acts of omission, can you go after them?

Also...who is going to take away a doctors license who treats pain. You have a

history and treatment...you are not someone just off of the streets. I think

it's a lot of hooey for someone to say they will loose their license over pain

treatment unless they really stupid.

I think asking this doctor who would take the license and then contacting those

people yourself as to why you must be put in danger due to threatening

doctors...and make it loud and clear.

We won't get changes unless we make a big fat fuss. Ask her who is going to

remove her license and where to get a hold of them for more information...that

may call her bluff if there is one.

A blood pressure that high is dangerous and a doctor leaving you in danger

because they afraid for their license? She should be afraid if she doesn't

treat you properly to get that blood pressure down.

I think we need to be firm about being given blood pressure meds for blood

pressure caused by pain and that is also a misuse of drugs.

That emergency Percocet dropped it like a hot rock...and my follow up with my

doctor is keeping it within reason. This morning it was 116/66. Much more like

it. It's between 150/80 and 116/66. Not too bad.

I think these are good questions to ask those in the know...and never let

another doctor use it to be negligent.

Information is one our best weapons against this type of thing. Telling these

stories to the people who give out the license may be interesting.

As an X nurse...I can't see anyone doing that without being called on

negligence.

Lotacats

Express Chronic Pain Awareness

http://www.cafepress.com/lotacatspix/5815010

Lotacatsfunpix.com

http://www.lotacatsfunpix.com/

Deviantart

http://lotacats05.deviantart.com/

>

> Subject: Blood Pressure and Pain

> To: Hugs-N-Pain

> Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 7:50 AM

> Hi!

>

> To Donnie and anyone else this might affect-I had a very

> similar

> experience as Lotsacats a year ago.

>

> I had been seeing a Primary trained in Hawaii who was open

> to

> alternative medicine, which I am interested in. We worked

> as a team

> for several years. At that point I was out of a wheelchair,

> carefully

> active, and for the first time in years, I would go for

> hours at a

> time WITHOUT PAIN. It was wonderful! And then I moved.

>

> We had booked a Primary in Louisville so that I would not

> run out of

> meds. When I saw the Lou. Prime she no longer prescribed

> the level I

> used NO MATTER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES. She was sympathetic, but

> explained

> she would not lose her license just for me. She made an

> appointment

> for me with a pain clinic, which I could not see for TWO

> AND A HALF

> MONTHS.

>

> To hurry this story along, in that time I looked for other

> doctors,(with BP rising), tried to find strong enough

> herbal tenures

> to help me (they don't exist here) and went to the ER

> several times,

> to no avail, as my BP increased with my pain. My old Prime

> had

> prepared a short copy of my history, explaining the dire

> need of my

> duragesic patches and other pain killers, but when I went

> in the docs

> refused to read them, saying they didn't have time. A

> couple of times

> I came away from an 8 hour wait with ibuprofen! And my BP

> got higher

> and higher.

>

> My BP finally got to an impossible number. My ears were

> ringing and I

> had chest pains. As they usually do when my BP is high they

> took me

> right away, but AGAIN AS USUAL, tried to treat the BP, and

> not the

> pain. When it wouldn't go down to even 250 over 150,

> (it had been 300

> someover something),they finally gave me a shot, and it

> started down

> immediately. I was given a minimum dosage of pills until my

> Pain

> Management could see me. After I left the hospital I had

> trouble for

> months concentrating, and my hands would shake for no

> reason. I was

> given a physical that summer and told I had most probably

> suffered a

> mild stroke.

>

> I agree with Lotsacats. Don't mess around with it! The

> stronger our

> pain, the more stress is put on our body.

>

> Good Luck To All!

> Jeanne

December 28, 2008

Believe me, I have thought about a large group of people coming

together to fight this for years! How about every time I have to

bite my lip to keep from telling off another smug and conceited

doctor.! Or all the times I tried to be " assertive " with my doctor,

only to be told I wasn't an M.D. and do as I was told. LOL! Before

Louisville I used to carefully screen my doctors when I wasn't

traveling. We all have our horror stories, right?

Mmm..we have a nurse, pointing toward Lotacats. I was a Homeschool

Advocate for the years my own children were of school age. I am also

a writer, and did work as a newswriter, eons ago. Any other takers on

this long road? I DO remember when I was an advocate we had to do

endless research, and know exactly what we were talking about, as

well as emassing hundreds (in this case we're talking hundreds of

thousands) of cases of abuse and neglect. It becomes your life, but

then isn't that what we do now?

I believe if we don't do something soon, it will eventually become

almost impossible to get the help we need. But then again, isn't it

already?

Jeanne

>

> Mine didn't get that high but enuff to scare me into action. I was

so fortunate to have had the PA who acted so promptly and

professionally.

>

> What I'd like to know is...do we have any legal recourses. Anybody

in first year medical school would know that pain raises blood

pressure and high blood pressures cause strokes and heart problems.

I mean...that is serious stuff.

>

> Is this case I see a case of negligence. I'm not a law-suit-happy

person by a long shot but by the same token they help keep some

people on their toes. If someone is negligent by acts of omission,

can you go after them?

>

> Also...who is going to take away a doctors license who treats

pain. You have a history and treatment...you are not someone just

off of the streets. I think it's a lot of hooey for someone to say

they will loose their license over pain treatment unless they really

stupid.

>

> I think asking this doctor who would take the license and then

contacting those people yourself as to why you must be put in danger

due to threatening doctors...and make it loud and clear.

>

> We won't get changes unless we make a big fat fuss. Ask her who is

going to remove her license and where to get a hold of them for more

information...that may call her bluff if there is one.

>

> A blood pressure that high is dangerous and a doctor leaving you in

danger because they afraid for their license? She should be afraid

if she doesn't treat you properly to get that blood pressure down.

>

> I think we need to be firm about being given blood pressure meds

for blood pressure caused by pain and that is also a misuse of

drugs.

>

> That emergency Percocet dropped it like a hot rock...and my follow

up with my doctor is keeping it within reason. This morning it was

116/66. Much more like it. It's between 150/80 and 116/66. Not too

bad.

>

> I think these are good questions to ask those in the know...and

never let another doctor use it to be negligent.

>

> Information is one our best weapons against this type of thing.

Telling these stories to the people who give out the license may be

interesting.

>

> As an X nurse...I can't see anyone doing that without being called

on negligence.

>

> Lotacats

>

> Express Chronic Pain Awareness

> http://www.cafepress.com/lotacatspix/5815010

>

> Lotacatsfunpix.com

> http://www.lotacatsfunpix.com/

>

> Deviantart

> http://lotacats05.deviantart.com/

>

December 28, 2008

There's people like the American Pain Foundation to help the problem with

undertreated pain.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3689/is_/ai_n9124846

This artical is where a health professional is asking about risk of being sued

for not treating pain well....they are worried about it. Nice to know some are

thinking about it.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3689/is_/ai_n9124846

Pain...and effects on the rest of your body and mind.

I've been meaning to bring up the question in the Chronic Pain Connection. You

can usually get some interesting answers there.

But...we do write to congressman/senators and others to keep them aware we need

laws to protect us. A lot of this has brought up new pain laws in our favor.

These are a few things we can do to help...and keep at our illustrious law

makers till they " get it " . Get involved in some of the organizations that work

for painers.

Lotacats

Express Chronic Pain Awareness

http://www.cafepress.com/lotacatspix/5815010

Lotacatsfunpix.com

http://www.lotacatsfunpix.com/

Deviantart

http://lotacats05.deviantart.com/

Subject: Re: Blood Pressure and Pain

To: Hugs-N-Pain

Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 10:54 AM

Believe me, I have thought about a large group of people coming

together to fight this for years! How about every time I have to

bite my lip to keep from telling off another smug and conceited

doctor.! Or all the times I tried to be " assertive " with my doctor,

only to be told I wasn't an M.D. and do as I was told. LOL! Before

Louisville I used to carefully screen my doctors when I wasn't

traveling. We all have our horror stories, right?

Mmm..we have a nurse, pointing toward Lotacats. I was a Homeschool

Advocate for the years my own children were of school age. I am also

a writer, and did work as a newswriter, eons ago. Any other takers on

this long road? I DO remember when I was an advocate we had to do

endless research, and know exactly what we were talking about, as

well as emassing hundreds (in this case we're talking hundreds of

thousands) of cases of abuse and neglect. It becomes your life, but

then isn't that what we do now?

I believe if we don't do something soon, it will eventually become

almost impossible to get the help we need. But then again, isn't it

already?

Jeanne

>

> Mine didn't get that high but enuff to scare me into action. I was

so fortunate to have had the PA who acted so promptly and

professionally.

>

> What I'd like to know is...do we have any legal recourses. Anybody

in first year medical school would know that pain raises blood

pressure and high blood pressures cause strokes and heart problems.

I mean...that is serious stuff.

>

> Is this case I see a case of negligence. I'm not a law-suit-happy

person by a long shot but by the same token they help keep some

people on their toes. If someone is negligent by acts of omission,

can you go after them?

>

> Also...who is going to take away a doctors license who treats

pain. You have a history and treatment... you are not someone just

off of the streets. I think it's a lot of hooey for someone to say

they will loose their license over pain treatment unless they really

stupid.

>

> I think asking this doctor who would take the license and then

contacting those people yourself as to why you must be put in danger

due to threatening doctors...and make it loud and clear.

>

> We won't get changes unless we make a big fat fuss. Ask her who is

going to remove her license and where to get a hold of them for more

information. ..that may call her bluff if there is one.

>

> A blood pressure that high is dangerous and a doctor leaving you in

danger because they afraid for their license? She should be afraid

if she doesn't treat you properly to get that blood pressure down.

>

> I think we need to be firm about being given blood pressure meds

for blood pressure caused by pain and that is also a misuse of

drugs.

>

> That emergency Percocet dropped it like a hot rock...and my follow

up with my doctor is keeping it within reason. This morning it was

116/66. Much more like it. It's between 150/80 and 116/66. Not too

bad.

>

> I think these are good questions to ask those in the know...and

never let another doctor use it to be negligent.

>

> Information is one our best weapons against this type of thing.

Telling these stories to the people who give out the license may be

interesting.

>

> As an X nurse...I can't see anyone doing that without being called

on negligence.

>

> Lotacats

>

> Express Chronic Pain Awareness

> http://www.cafepres s.com/lotacatspi x/5815010

>

> Lotacatsfunpix. com

> http://www.lotacats funpix.com/

>

> Deviantart

> http://lotacats05. deviantart. com/

>

December 28, 2008

The information is much appreciated. I will be going to the sites for

a look. If nothing else for the new year I will be committing to

taking a firmer approach to my treatment. And may we always find

sympathetic doctors when we need them!

Jeanne

> >

> > Mine didn't get that high but enuff to scare me into action. I was

> so fortunate to have had the PA who acted so promptly and

> professionally.

> >

> > What I'd like to know is...do we have any legal recourses. Anybody

> in first year medical school would know that pain raises blood

> pressure and high blood pressures cause strokes and heart problems.

> I mean...that is serious stuff.

> >

> > Is this case I see a case of negligence. I'm not a law-suit-happy

> person by a long shot but by the same token they help keep some

> people on their toes. If someone is negligent by acts of omission,

> can you go after them?

> >

> > Also...who is going to take away a doctors license who treats

> pain. You have a history and treatment... you are not someone just

> off of the streets. I think it's a lot of hooey for someone to say

> they will loose their license over pain treatment unless they really

> stupid.

> >

> > I think asking this doctor who would take the license and then

> contacting those people yourself as to why you must be put in danger

> due to threatening doctors...and make it loud and clear.

> >

> > We won't get changes unless we make a big fat fuss. Ask her who is

> going to remove her license and where to get a hold of them for more

> information. ..that may call her bluff if there is one.

> >

> > A blood pressure that high is dangerous and a doctor leaving you in

> danger because they afraid for their license? She should be afraid

> if she doesn't treat you properly to get that blood pressure down.

> >

> > I think we need to be firm about being given blood pressure meds

> for blood pressure caused by pain and that is also a misuse of

> drugs.

> >

> > That emergency Percocet dropped it like a hot rock...and my follow

> up with my doctor is keeping it within reason. This morning it was

> 116/66. Much more like it. It's between 150/80 and 116/66. Not too

> bad.

> >

> > I think these are good questions to ask those in the know...and

> never let another doctor use it to be negligent.

> >

> > Information is one our best weapons against this type of thing.

> Telling these stories to the people who give out the license may be

> interesting.

> >

> > As an X nurse...I can't see anyone doing that without being called

> on negligence.

> >

> > Lotacats

> >

> > Express Chronic Pain Awareness

> > http://www.cafepres s.com/lotacatspi x/5815010

> >

> > Lotacatsfunpix. com

> > http://www.lotacats funpix.com/

> >

> > Deviantart

> > http://lotacats05. deviantart. com/

> >

>

December 29, 2008

HI WHEN YOU BECOME A PAINER IT IS HARD TO FIND A DOCTER I AM GOING TO CHANGE

DOCS AND DONT HAVE A CLUE WERE TO GO FIND ANOTHER ONE LOUISVILLE IS FULL OF THEM

IT JUST FINDING ONE THAT KNOWS ABOUT RSD DONNIE

Subject: Re: Blood Pressure and Pain

To: Hugs-N-Pain

Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 6:54 PM

Believe me, I have thought about a large group of people coming

together to fight this for years! How about every time I have to

bite my lip to keep from telling off another smug and conceited

doctor.! Or all the times I tried to be " assertive " with my doctor,

only to be told I wasn't an M.D. and do as I was told. LOL! Before

Louisville I used to carefully screen my doctors when I wasn't

traveling. We all have our horror stories, right?

Mmm..we have a nurse, pointing toward Lotacats. I was a Homeschool

Advocate for the years my own children were of school age. I am also

a writer, and did work as a newswriter, eons ago. Any other takers on

this long road? I DO remember when I was an advocate we had to do

endless research, and know exactly what we were talking about, as

well as emassing hundreds (in this case we're talking hundreds of

thousands) of cases of abuse and neglect. It becomes your life, but

then isn't that what we do now?

I believe if we don't do something soon, it will eventually become

almost impossible to get the help we need. But then again, isn't it

already?

Jeanne

>

> Mine didn't get that high but enuff to scare me into action. I was

so fortunate to have had the PA who acted so promptly and

professionally.

>

> What I'd like to know is...do we have any legal recourses. Anybody

in first year medical school would know that pain raises blood

pressure and high blood pressures cause strokes and heart problems.

I mean...that is serious stuff.

>

> Is this case I see a case of negligence. I'm not a law-suit-happy

person by a long shot but by the same token they help keep some

people on their toes. If someone is negligent by acts of omission,

can you go after them?

>

> Also...who is going to take away a doctors license who treats

pain. You have a history and treatment... you are not someone just

off of the streets. I think it's a lot of hooey for someone to say

they will loose their license over pain treatment unless they really

stupid.

>

> I think asking this doctor who would take the license and then

contacting those people yourself as to why you must be put in danger

due to threatening doctors...and make it loud and clear.

>

> We won't get changes unless we make a big fat fuss. Ask her who is

going to remove her license and where to get a hold of them for more

information. ..that may call her bluff if there is one.

>

> A blood pressure that high is dangerous and a doctor leaving you in

danger because they afraid for their license? She should be afraid

if she doesn't treat you properly to get that blood pressure down.

>

> I think we need to be firm about being given blood pressure meds

for blood pressure caused by pain and that is also a misuse of

drugs.

>

> That emergency Percocet dropped it like a hot rock...and my follow

up with my doctor is keeping it within reason. This morning it was

116/66. Much more like it. It's between 150/80 and 116/66. Not too

bad.

>

> I think these are good questions to ask those in the know...and

never let another doctor use it to be negligent.

>

> Information is one our best weapons against this type of thing.

Telling these stories to the people who give out the license may be

interesting.

>

> As an X nurse...I can't see anyone doing that without being called

on negligence.

>

> Lotacats

>

> Express Chronic Pain Awareness

> http://www.cafepres s.com/lotacatspi x/5815010

>

> Lotacatsfunpix. com

> http://www.lotacats funpix.com/

>

> Deviantart

> http://lotacats05. deviantart. com/

>

December 29, 2008

I couldn't agree more. 've had numerous doctors get P.O.ed that I

would dare ask questions about my own body and what certain

medications might do to me. A few are surprised and pleased, but

especially here in Ky., they are far more likely to act like they feel

I'm either a threat or trying to undermine their authority.

I'm not satisfied with either my pain doctor and my primary and am

looking for alternates with both. To tell you the truth I'm afraid my

pain control doctor will be nabbed for something the way they operate.

They see (to me anyway), huge numbers of people, and merely write

prescriptions. When I first went to him I told he and the nurse that I

take a heavily concentrated herb that I prepare myself. No problem, he

told me. I repeated the herb's name and told him that this herb could

counteract with other medicines. I said I understand, he told me a

little impatiently and went on to prescribe a muscle relaxer. The herb

I mentioned can act as a muscle relaxer, and if I had used both, I'm

sure I would've had a problem. The herb can act as a natural Valium.

Jeanne

> > >

> > > Mine didn't get that high but enuff to scare me

> > into action. I was

> > so fortunate to have had the PA who acted so promptly and

> > professionally.

> > >

> > > What I'd like to know is...do we have any legal

> > recourses. Anybody

> > in first year medical school would know that pain raises

> > blood

> > pressure and high blood pressures cause strokes and heart

> > problems.

> > I mean...that is serious stuff.

> > >

> > > Is this case I see a case of negligence. I'm not

> > a law-suit-happy

> > person by a long shot but by the same token they help keep

> > some

> > people on their toes. If someone is negligent by acts of

> > omission,

> > can you go after them?

> > >

> > > Also...who is going to take away a doctors license who

> > treats

> > pain. You have a history and treatment...you are not

> > someone just

> > off of the streets. I think it's a lot of hooey for

> > someone to say

> > they will loose their license over pain treatment unless

> > they really

> > stupid.

> > >

> > > I think asking this doctor who would take the license

> > and then

> > contacting those people yourself as to why you must be put

> > in danger

> > due to threatening doctors...and make it loud and clear.

> > >

> > > We won't get changes unless we make a big fat

> > fuss. Ask her who is

> > going to remove her license and where to get a hold of them

> > for more

> > information...that may call her bluff if there is one.

> > >

> > > A blood pressure that high is dangerous and a doctor

> > leaving you in

> > danger because they afraid for their license? She should

> > be afraid

> > if she doesn't treat you properly to get that blood

> > pressure down.

> > >

> > > I think we need to be firm about being given blood

> > pressure meds

> > for blood pressure caused by pain and that is also a misuse

> > of

> > drugs.

> > >

> > > That emergency Percocet dropped it like a hot

> > rock...and my follow

> > up with my doctor is keeping it within reason. This

> > morning it was

> > 116/66. Much more like it. It's between 150/80 and

> > 116/66. Not too

> > bad.

> > >

> > > I think these are good questions to ask those in the

> > know...and

> > never let another doctor use it to be negligent.

> > >

> > > Information is one our best weapons against this type

> > of thing.

> > Telling these stories to the people who give out the

> > license may be

> > interesting.

> > >

> > > As an X nurse...I can't see anyone doing that

> > without being called

> > on negligence.

> > >

> > > Lotacats

> > >

> > > Express Chronic Pain Awareness

> > > http://www.cafepress.com/lotacatspix/5815010

> > >

> > > Lotacatsfunpix.com

> > > http://www.lotacatsfunpix.com/

> > >

> > > Deviantart

> > > http://lotacats05.deviantart.com/

> > >

>

December 29, 2008

hi jeanne what did the docs call your pain i have been in louisville all my life

and i am finding it hard to find a pain doc i got my apt. mixed up and went on

the rong date mist my apt.i didnot have the 35.00 dollers no show fee on me i

had to drive back the next day and pay the no show fee a 2 1/2 hour round trip

and the drive sends my pain level throw the roof i pay my no show fee get my new

apt.for nov19 i go to my nov19 apt. thay say i donot have no apt. so thay gave

me a jan19 apt. i told them in november i was haveing problems i need to see the

doc i even tryed to get a cancalation apt. to see the doc thay sead i had to

wait untill jan19 i have not seen the doc in so long i feal like he abanded me i

steel get my scrip in the mail every month i need to see the doc i am haveing

problems i am calling the doc tomarrow if thay cant get me in before jan19 i am

going to transfer to a pain doc in oensbero witch is closer to me and would make

the drive

eseyer on me and i would not hert so much i just need to see my pain doc i

would go to the emergency room at the hospital but thay donot know how to treat

me i just donot know what to do donnieKY

Subject: Re: Blood Pressure and Pain

To: Hugs-N-Pain

Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 1:48 AM