Re: Is glass mycotoxin-proof?

[Guest guest]

Branislav,

I don't think any material could be more cleanable than glass. And even a

thin film of greasy mold scum on glass is visible.. (as haziness) and so its

probably easier to clean off, using household ammonia at full strength. But

wear thick rubber gloves and do it with serious ventilation going as you

don't want to breathe or absorb those fumes.

That said, I have a thought on your experience.

Have you ever considered that what is happening is that you are becoming

more and more sensitive?

Its something that we all have experienced, these exposures are

cumulativeand one very strong exposure is often enough to make someone

sick enough so

that from then on, each subsequent exposure causes what appears to be

further, permanent damage.

That is what everybody seems to be in denial about because the implications

are profoundly disturbing for all of us.

As i said, I'm dealing with the same thing, when I get a heavy exposure, my

whole body goes crazy.

[Guest guest]

Thanks LS,

I also think glass should be fine.

As for my increasing sensitivity, of course you are right. I've

observed the phenomenon over the years and it's quite real. If I don't

end an exposure even to relatively weak mycotoxins for several days,

my immune system will go out of whack.

However, this particular mycotoxin (now I know it has to be mycotoxin,

not live mold) is completely different in its qualitative aspects.

Earlier mycotoxins used to cause prompt and severe diarrhea, while

cognitive symptoms would come seveal days after that, if I didn't

decontaminate in the meantime.

This one, on the other hand, affects throat, lungs, BRAIN, eyes,

teeth, cognitive functions... very different to previous mycotoxins.

And this one cannot be decontaminated once it gets into something! I'm

not talking about objects that had abundant visible mold growth, but

about cross-contamination. It's very scary.

I still have some objects that are mildly contaminated with the last

year's contamination, and these 'earlier' mycotoxins still behave as

they have always behaved. They are still quite distinct in their

symptoms, different from the newest contamination. So, there's no

question I have encountered a new toxin.

My guess is that earlier contaminations were from trichothecenes

belonging to types A and B (fusarium toxins - very violent at first

but abate after some time), while this looks very much like

trichothecenes from G group (Stachy toxins - slow acting, cummulative,

insidious and more persistent).

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> Branislav,

>

> I don't think any material could be more cleanable than glass. And

even a

> thin film of greasy mold scum on glass is visible.. (as haziness)

and so its

> probably easier to clean off, using household ammonia at full

strength. But

> wear thick rubber gloves and do it with serious ventilation going as you

> don't want to breathe or absorb those fumes.

>

> That said, I have a thought on your experience.

>

> Have you ever considered that what is happening is that you are becoming

> more and more sensitive?

>

> Its something that we all have experienced, these exposures are

> cumulativeand one very strong exposure is often enough to make someone

> sick enough so

> that from then on, each subsequent exposure causes what appears to be

> further, permanent damage.

>

> That is what everybody seems to be in denial about because the

implications

> are profoundly disturbing for all of us.

>

> As i said, I'm dealing with the same thing, when I get a heavy

exposure, my

> whole body goes crazy.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>YES lIVE, I'VE BEEN IN BED SENCE LAST FRIDAY. SEEMS TO BE HAPPENING

MORE OFTEN AND EITHER EVERYTIME IS WORSE OR MY ABILITY TO HANDLE IT IS

LESS. IT'S JUST SO DRAINING. That is what everybody seems to be in

denial about because the implications

> are profoundly disturbing for all of us.

>

> As i said, I'm dealing with the same thing, when I get a heavy

exposure, my

> whole body goes crazy.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

BRAINSLAV, YOU ARE VERY LUCKY IF YOU DO NOT REACT TO LIVE MOLD OR HAVE

MYCOSIS. PLEASE BE CAREFUL. I DO RELATE TO SHACHY EXPOSURE FROM MY

FIRST HOME AND I'M SURE I BREATHED A FEW STACHY SPORES BUT MAINLY

MYCO'S AND I NEVER DEALT WITH MYCOSIS IN THAT HOME. STACHY SPORES ARE

HEAVIER AND I THINK THIS MAY BE WHY IT'S POSSIBLE TO SUFFER FROM STACHY

MYCO'S AND NOT FROM MYCOSIS(LIVE MOLD-INFECTIONS).

SOME OTHERS ARE NOT SO NICE, AS INHALEING THE MOLD SPORES MAY GO RIGHT

IN HAND WITH INHALEING THE TOXINS. I WENT FROM THIS HOME STRAIGHT TO

ONE WITH VERY HIGH AMOUNTS OF SEVERAL TOXIGENIC MOLDS. I DO BELIEVE

THAT WITHOUT EXPOSURE TO THE SECOND HOME I MAY OF BEEN LEFT WITH JUST A

SENSATIVITY TO TRICHATHECENE TOXINS ONLY, NOT MCS AND NOT MYCOSIS.

HOWEVER IT DID CAUSE SOME COGNATIVE EFFECTS THAT WERE MILD BUT GOT

WORSE AS MOLD DID AND IT WORKED ON MY CNS AND KIDNEYS,REPRODUCTIVE

ORGANS,DIEERHIA HARD AND WAS WORKING ON MY AIRWAYS,SINUSES BUT THE

SECOND HOME MADE ALL THESE MUCH WORSE PLUS MCS AND MYCOSIS.

YES, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOUR DEALING WITH DRY, CROSS CONTAMINATION OF MYCO'S

BUT I COULDNT TELL YOU WHICH KIND. IT COULD BE A FEW DIFFERENT KINDS.

AMOUNTS ALSO MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN EFFECTS.

[Guest guest]

I HAVE A TABLE, METAL WITH GLASS TOP, WENT THROUGH BOTH EXPOSURES,

SEVERAL TOXICGENIC MOLDS. CLEANED IT WITH AMMONIA AND HAVE BO PROBLEMS

WITH IT NOW. USE PART AMMONIA AND HOT WATER AND A LITTLE DAWN DISH

SOAP.--- In , " who " <jeaninem660@...>

wrote:

>

> >YES lIVE, I'VE BEEN IN BED SENCE LAST FRIDAY. SEEMS TO BE HAPPENING

> MORE OFTEN AND EITHER EVERYTIME IS WORSE OR MY ABILITY TO HANDLE IT

IS

> LESS. IT'S JUST SO DRAINING. That is what everybody seems to be in

> denial about because the implications

> > are profoundly disturbing for all of us.

> >

> > As i said, I'm dealing with the same thing, when I get a heavy

> exposure, my

> > whole body goes crazy.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

DOES ANYONE KNOW IF ENDOTOXINS MIGHT CAUSE A FILM ON DISHES THAT WONT

COME OFF? I ALSO HAD MY DISHES EFFECTED WITH SOMETHING AT THE SECOND

HOME THAT WOULD NOT WASH OFF AND HAD TO THROW THEM AWAY.

>

> Is it? Would it be wise to buy a piece of furniture made of glass and

> metal or entirely of glass, considering it would be exposed to

> powerful mycotoxins that easily contaminate wood (often permanently)?

>

> As far as I know, glass is considered nonporous, but I remember having

> one glass for water that got contaminated with one previos (and

> weaker) mycotoxin. I just could not decontaminate it no matter what

> and how much I washed it. Quite odd.

>

> My tolerance to this newest toxin is getting near its end. The

> neurological effects are terrible. Despite having experince with

> various mycotoxins for 15 years or so, this one's left me utterly

> perplexed. Even the smallest quantity can wreack major havoc.

>

[Guest guest]

I wonder, mold no dought eats on food left on dirty dishes. if it not

water solvable and you put the dish in dishwater would it than stick

like greeze does to your dishes?

> >

> > Is it? Would it be wise to buy a piece of furniture made of glass

and

> > metal or entirely of glass, considering it would be exposed to

> > powerful mycotoxins that easily contaminate wood (often

permanently)?

> >

> > As far as I know, glass is considered nonporous, but I remember

having

> > one glass for water that got contaminated with one previos (and

> > weaker) mycotoxin. I just could not decontaminate it no matter

what

> > and how much I washed it. Quite odd.

> >

> > My tolerance to this newest toxin is getting near its end. The

> > neurological effects are terrible. Despite having experince with

> > various mycotoxins for 15 years or so, this one's left me utterly

> > perplexed. Even the smallest quantity can wreack major havoc.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Brainslav, you may also want to try sos pads. I washed some of my

glass ware many times trying to get that film off, threw away

everything plastic and some pots and pans but got most of the

glassware clean.

> >

> > Is it? Would it be wise to buy a piece of furniture made of glass

and

> > metal or entirely of glass, considering it would be exposed to

> > powerful mycotoxins that easily contaminate wood (often

permanently)?

> >

> > As far as I know, glass is considered nonporous, but I remember

having

> > one glass for water that got contaminated with one previos (and

> > weaker) mycotoxin. I just could not decontaminate it no matter

what

> > and how much I washed it. Quite odd.

> >

> > My tolerance to this newest toxin is getting near its end. The

> > neurological effects are terrible. Despite having experince with

> > various mycotoxins for 15 years or so, this one's left me utterly

> > perplexed. Even the smallest quantity can wreack major havoc.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I had a strange thing to happen with some dishes my husband bought me

for Christmas 2 years ago. They started getting black spots under the

glaze. At first I used them outside to put my plants on but I decided

it may be best to just throw them away as I am sure it was mold.

They would not clean up. I even soaked them in bleach and they would

not even bleach. I know bleach does not kill all mold but it was

strange the bleach could not get to the affected areas.

I have some old antique bottles that won't clean up but I don't think

it is mold. I think they are just stained with a film. I am not

planning on drinking out of them so I am not worried about it.

> >

> > Is it? Would it be wise to buy a piece of furniture made of glass

and

> > metal or entirely of glass, considering it would be exposed to

> > powerful mycotoxins that easily contaminate wood (often

permanently)?

> >

> > As far as I know, glass is considered nonporous, but I remember

having

> > one glass for water that got contaminated with one previos (and

> > weaker) mycotoxin. I just could not decontaminate it no matter

what

> > and how much I washed it. Quite odd.

> >

> > My tolerance to this newest toxin is getting near its end. The

> > neurological effects are terrible. Despite having experince with

> > various mycotoxins for 15 years or so, this one's left me utterly

> > perplexed. Even the smallest quantity can wreack major havoc.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have some glass things that I saved that have been impossible to *fully*

clean too.

One is a scanner glass, and that is strange because its smooth, optically

flat, plain glass, but it seemed that when I tried that nothing would clean

that film off. I tried 91% alcohol, ammonia, soapy water.

Its a greasy film, so maybe i should try citrus-solv.

[Guest guest]

>

> DOES ANYONE KNOW IF ENDOTOXINS MIGHT CAUSE A FILM ON DISHES THAT WONT

> COME OFF? I ALSO HAD MY DISHES EFFECTED WITH SOMETHING AT THE SECOND

> HOME THAT WOULD NOT WASH OFF AND HAD TO THROW THEM AWAY. --- In

Porcelain dishes can become contaminated if they're exposed to high

concentration of mycotoxins for a longer time. Porcelain probably

adsorbs the toxins. Been there done that.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Who,

I think this has to be dry cross contamination with Stachy mycotoxins.

They're unusually stable. This is the most horrible disaster I have

the displeasure of experiencing and I still don't know how to get rid

of it or how to prevent further contaminations. No chemical has been

able to destroy this mycotoxin so far. I am searching the Web for

" denature Stachybotrys mycotoxins " but so far no luck. Has anyone

found anything that is at least a little effective on porous materials?

I would never call myself lucky, Who. Nobody on this group is lucky. I

know it can get a lot worse but it's not wise to confort someone with

that. My life has been uprooted by mycotoxins for 20 years. That's no

luck. Toxic Mold is dictating my life, literally.

>

> BRAINSLAV, YOU ARE VERY LUCKY IF YOU DO NOT REACT TO LIVE MOLD OR HAVE

> MYCOSIS. PLEASE BE CAREFUL. I DO RELATE TO SHACHY EXPOSURE FROM MY

> FIRST HOME AND I'M SURE I BREATHED A FEW STACHY SPORES BUT MAINLY

> MYCO'S AND I NEVER DEALT WITH MYCOSIS IN THAT HOME. STACHY SPORES ARE

> HEAVIER AND I THINK THIS MAY BE WHY IT'S POSSIBLE TO SUFFER FROM STACHY

> MYCO'S AND NOT FROM MYCOSIS(LIVE MOLD-INFECTIONS).

> SOME OTHERS ARE NOT SO NICE, AS INHALEING THE MOLD SPORES MAY GO RIGHT

> IN HAND WITH INHALEING THE TOXINS. I WENT FROM THIS HOME STRAIGHT TO

> ONE WITH VERY HIGH AMOUNTS OF SEVERAL TOXIGENIC MOLDS. I DO BELIEVE

> THAT WITHOUT EXPOSURE TO THE SECOND HOME I MAY OF BEEN LEFT WITH JUST A

> SENSATIVITY TO TRICHATHECENE TOXINS ONLY, NOT MCS AND NOT MYCOSIS.

> HOWEVER IT DID CAUSE SOME COGNATIVE EFFECTS THAT WERE MILD BUT GOT

> WORSE AS MOLD DID AND IT WORKED ON MY CNS AND KIDNEYS,REPRODUCTIVE

> ORGANS,DIEERHIA HARD AND WAS WORKING ON MY AIRWAYS,SINUSES BUT THE

> SECOND HOME MADE ALL THESE MUCH WORSE PLUS MCS AND MYCOSIS.

> YES, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOUR DEALING WITH DRY, CROSS CONTAMINATION OF MYCO'S

> BUT I COULDNT TELL YOU WHICH KIND. IT COULD BE A FEW DIFFERENT KINDS.

> AMOUNTS ALSO MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN EFFECTS.

>

[Guest guest]

Branislav, yes, sorry, your so right, I know to well how painful

stachy myco's can be. haveing either or both is no fun.

[Guest guest]

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> I have some glass things that I saved that have been impossible to

*fully*

> clean too.

>

> One is a scanner glass, and that is strange because its smooth,

optically

> flat, plain glass, but it seemed that when I tried that nothing

would clean

> that film off. I tried 91% alcohol, ammonia, soapy water.

>

> Its a greasy film, so maybe i should try citrus-solv.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I DONT THINK METEL IS IMMUNE EITHER, I READ SOMEWHERE THAT MOLD AND

MOISTURE IS WHAT CAUSES THE RUST PROCESS. S.O.S. PADS WELL CLEAN BUT

MAY SCRATCH TOO.

> >

> > I have some glass things that I saved that have been impossible to

> *fully*

> > clean too.

> >

> > One is a scanner glass, and that is strange because its smooth,

> optically

> > flat, plain glass, but it seemed that when I tried that nothing

> would clean

> > that film off. I tried 91% alcohol, ammonia, soapy water.

> >

> > Its a greasy film, so maybe i should try citrus-solv.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Well, no, actually rusting of iron and other metals is not caused by

any microorganism at all and can happen in sterile conditions. It's a

purely chemical reaction when oxygen from the air reacts with iron.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusting

However, already rusty iron is a great breeding ground for mold and a

trap for mycotoxins, so you're right in that respect.

I think stainless steel is the most impervious material regarding mycos.

So, having all this in mind - what is the best material for mycotixin

resistant furniture: tables, computer tables (I see only wooden ones,)

beds, chairs etc.?

> > >

> > > I have some glass things that I saved that have been impossible to

> > *fully*

> > > clean too.

> > >

> > > One is a scanner glass, and that is strange because its smooth,

> > optically

> > > flat, plain glass, but it seemed that when I tried that nothing

> > would clean

> > > that film off. I tried 91% alcohol, ammonia, soapy water.

> > >

> > > Its a greasy film, so maybe i should try citrus-solv.

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

METAL CONDENSATES DOESN'T IT? IF YOU FIND THAT STERILE CONDICTION

LET ME KNOW SO I CAN MOVE THERE.

> > > >

> > > > I have some glass things that I saved that have been

impossible to

> > > *fully*

> > > > clean too.

> > > >

> > > > One is a scanner glass, and that is strange because its

smooth,

> > > optically

> > > > flat, plain glass, but it seemed that when I tried that

nothing

> > > would clean

> > > > that film off. I tried 91% alcohol, ammonia, soapy water.

> > > >

> > > > Its a greasy film, so maybe i should try citrus-solv.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >