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Do any of the doctors on this list know of any reasons why a combination of

cholestyramine and say, psillium powder (i.e. 'metamucil') could NOT be OTC?

I just keep thinking of all those people in flooded communities who are

trying to get their homes gutted and built again.. real life mold

emergencies..

And all the people without medical insurance, a number that seems to be

growing all the time.

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Do you think phyllium and CSM are good taken together?

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> Do any of the doctors on this list know of any reasons why a

combination of

> cholestyramine and say, psillium powder (i.e. 'metamucil') could NOT

be OTC?

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i have used chlorella often in the past.

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: Do any of the doctors on

this list know of any reasons why a combination of

cholestyramine and say, psillium powder (i.e. 'metamucil') could NOT be OTC?

I just keep thinking of all those people in flooded communities who are

trying to get their homes gutted and built again.. real life mold

emergencies..

And all the people without medical insurance, a number that seems to be

growing all the time.

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My sister, who sees only alternative medical care practitioners, had

reasonable luck with a combination of Pectasol, chlorella and Yucca.

I tried the Pectasol and Yucca myself for a couple weeks (I don't

tolerate chlorella). And, it is not as effective as the CSM, but it's

likely better than nothing. You can google and find other herbs that

are known to lower cholesterol and some of them have actions similar

to the cholestyramine in terms of binding - they're just not nearly

as powerful.

Be well,

.

--- In , " lunagirl32002 " <j_genser@...>

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> Hi all,

> Has anyone had luck with an alternative to CSM, like chlorella,

activated charcoal, etc?

> Thanks,

>

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I know this sounds way too mild but oatmeal is sticky and has been

shown to lower cholesterol, so don't you think it would have some

detoxing affect? I did green juicing for almost six months, about a

quart a day and it made me feel very good. Chlorophl is considered a

body cleanser and oxygenator. Stopped for awhile because after I

moved, I didn't have the room for all the fresh veggies in refrig and

juicer, etc, so haven't done it in awhile. I don't know if it would

be substitute for CSM but in addition to would be great.

>

> My sister, who sees only alternative medical care practitioners, had

> reasonable luck with a combination of Pectasol, chlorella and Yucca.

>

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This might be helpful..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bile_acid_sequestrant

On 5/17/07, barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote:

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> I know this sounds way too mild but oatmeal is sticky and has been

> shown to lower cholesterol, so don't you think it would have some

> detoxing affect? I did green juicing for almost six months, about a

> quart a day and it made me feel very good. Chlorophl is considered a

> body cleanser and oxygenator. Stopped for awhile because after I

> moved, I didn't have the room for all the fresh veggies in refrig and

> juicer, etc, so haven't done it in awhile. I don't know if it would

> be substitute for CSM but in addition to would be great.

>

> -

> .

>

>

>

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Many years ago, a lot of midwest farmers would use Dandelions in the early

spring. It was said that being couped up in the house for the winter months

built up toxins in the body which Dandelions would flush from the system.

I used to make dandelion tea every spring and drink it, and whether or not

it actually worked or was psychosematic, I felt better after about a week of

drinking one coffe cup per day. (I have also suffered the least in our family

from mold exposure) Some people would add Dandelion leaves to their salad, but

it has to be early spring dandelions as the flavor which is already bitter

becomes nasty later in the spring and summer months. There is also a poisonous

weed that looks similar to Dandelions, so if you are not seeing the actual

dandelion and are sure it is, picking it could be dangerous, therefore early

spring is the best time for this reason also.

Has anyone else heard of this or tried it?

Dan & Carmella Dunkin

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Barb. Do you have a primary care doctor? Can't they prescribe you

cholestyramine? Its not exactly a controlled substance..not something people

would abuse..

Everyone, be careful on folk remedies in this context - seriiously -

Cholestyramine does what it does because of some very specific abilities it

has. It carries an electric charge that literally sucks

the toxins up.

Cholestyramine, welchol, etc. have at this point a solid track record of

working for people with mold illness and helping improve people's medical

status.. Its not because they lower cholesterol, its because they bind

toxins and prevent them from getting

sent into a loop in your gut like they would otherwise..

They have been shown to work on thousands of people.

Scientists have used radioactive isotope labeled mycotoxins to see how they

move through the body - where they go, and they have shown (in animals) how

cholestyramine works to bind and help eliminate them. They have showed

cholestyramine removing them.

They have 3D volumetric analysis of radio tagged mycotoxins that shows it

doing what it does.

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LS, I will go see Dr Shoe for it evidentually. However I wanted to

try small amt to see if I can tolerate it now. At first I couldn't

tolerate it. Reg doctor here. My doctor won't Rx anything for off

label use. I have low blood cholesterol, so I'd have to sell him on

idea of using it for mycos and before that convince him I'm having

trouble with mycos. My blood cholesterols are ideal doctor said. It

seems the medicines that lower blood cholesterol by 'binding' to bile

acids will also work but perhaps CSM is stronger binder or studies

have been done on it. Statins don't work by binding but any medicine

that brings done cholesterol by binding with bile acids should do the

same thing. I think oatmeal brings down cholesterol by binding to

bile acids. I believe I read that. In general fiber might. I think

a high fiber diet is known to bring down cholesterol. I would imagine

since fiber isn't absorbed but passes through digestive tract that

some binding of bile acids happens if there is fat in same meal and

the fiber carries it out of digestive tract.

However the topic of CSM substitutes is not mine.

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

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> Barb, Do you have a primary care doctor? Can't they prescribe you

> cholestyramine? Its not exactly a controlled substance..not

something people would abuse..

>

> Everyone, be careful on folk remedies in this context - seriiously -

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Hi,

Can you tell me what is Welchol and what would be the basis for using

that versus the Cholestyramine?

thanks,

Beth

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

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> Barb. Do you have a primary care doctor? Can't they prescribe you

> cholestyramine? Its not exactly a controlled substance..not

something people

> would abuse..

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You guys, you should talk to an expert like Dr. Shoemaker on all of this.

Barb, you can download his time series paper and the other stuff from

chronicneurotoxins.com / moldwarriors.com - to give to your doctor. Or lend

them Mold Warriors.

I have a loaner copy that has gotten a lot of use in that way.

If your doctor won't spend the tiny amount of time they need to spend to

verify that this is a legitimate therapy, all I can say is you are wasting

your money with them. Get another doctor. Don't forget, they work for you,

you are paying them.

You, we all, NEED to get better and if they can't help you reach that goal

you are NOT getting your money's worth. 'Fire' them, move on, cut your

losses, etc.

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My understanding is that Welchol is in the same family of drugs as

Cholestyramine - it's just in pill form versus the cholestyramine which

you mix with a liquid. The Welchol isn't quite as effective as CSM,

but it is sometimes tolerated by folks that don't do well with the

CSM. Dr. Shoemaker offered to change my Rx to Welchol from CSM a while

back, but since it wasn't as effective, I didn't switch at the time.

But, now I'm only taking CSM once a day (instead of the recommended

4x/day since I moved from my toxic house and had been on the CSM at

4x/day for almost a year), so the Welchol is likely a reasonable

replacement and will be much easier for me when I travel. So, I do plan

on asking for an Rx for that at my next appointment. But, I would not

recommend anyone start with Welchol without having tried the CSM, since

you really want to pull as much of the toxins out as possible when you

first start treatment. Taking the CSM 4x/day is not fun, but I believe

it's the only path to wellness for many of us.

B.

>

> Hi,

> Can you tell me what is Welchol and what would be the basis for using

> that versus the Cholestyramine?

>

> thanks,

> Beth

>

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, so Welchol isn't flavored then? I had wondered if perhaps the

yellow dye or sweetner was the reason I had trouble with it, so

perhaps a tablet would be better for me.

>

> My understanding is that Welchol is in the same family of drugs as

> Cholestyramine - it's just in pill form versus the cholestyramine

which

> you mix with a liquid.

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The welchol doesn't appear to have any dyes or sugars, here's the info

from the following link:

http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/colesevelam.htm

" WelChol® contains colesevelam hydrochloride (hereafter referred to as

colesevelam), a non-absorbed, polymeric, lipid-lowering agent intended

for oral administration. Colesevelam is a high capacity bile acid

binding molecule. Colesevelam is poly(allylamine hydrochloride) cross-

linked with epichlorohydrin and alkylated with 1-bromodecane and (6-

bromohexyl)-trimethylammonium bromide. Colesevelam is hydrophilic, and

insoluble in water.

WelChol® is an off-white, film-coated, solid tablet containing 625 mg

colesevelam. In addition, each tablet contains the following inactive

ingredients: magnesium stearate, microcrystalline cellulose, silicon

dioxide, HPMC (hydroxypropyl methylcellulose), and acetylated

monoglyceride. The tablets are imprinted using a water-soluble black

ink. "

Yes, your reaction could have been to the yellow dyes or sugar in the

CSM powder. But, I did have an allergic reaction to the CSM itself (I

had already been treated for reactions to dyes and sugar) and had my

accupuncturist treat me with NAET, so I was able to continue taking

it. I had to stay off the CSM for 24 hours after that treatment and

that's when I realized how sick my house was making me as my symptoms

came back so, so intensely during that 24 hour time period.

But, in another posting you mentioned that you have low cholesterol, so

it may not be good for you to take this one either. The CSM has

lowered my cholesterol from 185 to 150 and I'm now taking it only once

a day. You really don't want your cholesterol to be too low per the

following: http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA43423

You may need to consider other detoxification approaches such as the

FIR sauna, ionic foot baths, exercise, juicing, etc. or even the

phospholipid exchange that Kane promotes. I had a friend that

couldn't tolerate the CSM have very good results with that, but, of

course, it requires that you find a doctor knowledgeable in that

treatment protocol and it isn't cheap.

B.

> >

> > My understanding is that Welchol is in the same family of drugs as

> > Cholestyramine - it's just in pill form versus the cholestyramine

> which

> > you mix with a liquid.

>

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Scroll down for some abstracts on alternative binding agents for mycotoxins

compared to cholestyramine on efficacy..

On 5/16/07, lunagirl32002 <j_genser@...> wrote:

>

> Hi all,

> Has anyone had luck with an alternative to CSM, like chlorella, activated

> charcoal, etc?

> Thanks,

>

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ratio in rat urine and tissues as a biomarker of fumonisin exposure; and by

a dynamic, computer-controlled, gastrointestinal model simulating the

gastrointestinal tract of healthy pigs. Most of the commercially available

mycotoxin-binders failed in sequestering in vitro Fusarium mycotoxins. Only

for a small number of adsorbent materials was the ability to bind more than

one mycotoxin demonstrated. Cholestyramine was proven to be an effective

binder for fumonisins and zearalenone in vitro, which was confirmed for

zearalenone in experiments using a dynamic gastrointestinal model and for

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exception of activated carbon, showed relevant ability in binding

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A simple in vitro system was developed to study the efficacy of commercially

available mycotoxin detoxifying agents and adsorbing substances as feed

additives to detoxify deoxynivalenol (DON) and zearalenone (ZON) in situ.

The in vitro model simulates the conditions (pH, temperature and transit

time) of the porcine gastrointestinal tract, as pigs react most sensitively

to these mycotoxins. The commercially available products were not effective

in detoxifying DON and ZON under the applied conditions, while activated

carbon was able to bind both toxins and cholestyramine, and a modified

aluminosilicate showed good adsorption abilities for ZON. Data obtained in

dose dependency studies showed an estimated adsorption capacity of

cholestyramine and the modified aluminosilicate of 11.7 and 5.7 g ZON/kg

detoxifying agent. The in vitro system deployed in the present study was

demonstrated to be a simple, helpful tool in screening substances for their

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porcine gastrointestinal tract. Nonetheless in vivo experiments are

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of the gastrointestinal (GI) tract of healthy pigs. This model was used to

evaluate the small-intestinal absorption of zearalenone from contaminated

wheat (4.1 mg/kg) and the effectiveness of activated carbon and

cholestyramine at four inclusion levels (0.25, 0.5, 1 and 2%) in reducing

toxin absorption. Approximately 32% of ZEA intake (247 microg) was released

from the food matrix during 6 h of digestion and was rapidly absorbed at

intestinal level. A significant reduction of intestinal absorption of ZEA

was found after inclusion of activated carbon or cholestyramine, even at the

lowest dose of adsorbents, with a more pronounced effect exhibited by

activated carbon. In particular, when 2% of activated carbon or

cholestyramine was added to the meal the ZEA intestinal absorption was

lowered from 32% of ZEA intake to 5 and 16%, respectively. The sequestering

effect of both adsorbents took place already during the first 2 h of

digestion and persisted during the rest of the experiment. The GI-model is a

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capacity to adsorb fumonisin B1(FB1) from aqueous solutions. Cholestyramine

showed the best adsorption capacity (85% from a solution containing 200

microg/ml FB1) followed by activated carbon (62% FB1). Bentonite adsorbed

only 12% of the toxin from a solution containing 13 microg/ml FB1, while

celite was not effective even at the lowest tested FB1 concentration

(3.2microg/ml). Cholestyramine was tested in vivo to evaluate its

capacity to

reduce the bioavailability of fumonisins (FBs) in rats fed diet contaminated

with toxigenic Fusarium verticillioides culture material. Rats were exposed

for one week to FBs-free diet, FBs-contaminated diet containing 6 or 20

microg/g FB1 + FB2 and the same FBs-contaminated diet added of 20 mg/g

cholestyramine. The increase of sphinganine/sphingosine (SA/SO) ratio in

urine and kidney of treated rats was used as specific and sensitive

biomarker of fumonisin exposure. The addition of cholestyramine to the

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We have shown that the addition of cholestyramine (CHA, a resin known to

bind bile salts in the gastrointestinal tract) to ochratoxin A

(OTA)-contaminated rat diets reduced plasma levels of the toxin and

prevented OTA-induced nephrotoxicity. To elucidate the mechanism of action

of CHA, we carried out in vitro experiments to determine whether the resin

may bind the toxin. For comparative purposes, binding of bile salts to the

resin was also examined. Results showed that CHA binds both OTA and bile

salts (taurodeoxycholate [TDC] and taurocholate [TCA]). Also, CHA showed

greater affinity for OTA and TDC than for TCA. At 1 mM concentration, 96% of

OTA and 80% of TDC were bound to the resin, while for TCA binding was only

50%. However, saturation of the resin was reached at higher levels with bile

acids compared to OTA (3.67 mmol/g resin for TCA and 3.71 mmol/g resin for

TDC versus 2.85 mmol/g resin for OTA). To characterize the nature of the

binding of the toxin to CHA, NaCl (0 to 200 mM) was added to a fixed amount

of OTA or bile acids. As expected, TCA absorption was decreased by the

addition of NaCl (<50 mM), indicating electrostatic binding. However, OTA

and TDC sorption was decreased only at high concentrations of NaCl (>150

mM), suggesting a stronger binding to the resin than that shown with TCA.

Sequential competitive studies demonstrated that CHA binds more OTA than

TCA. The results of the in vivo study show the role of bile salts in OTA

absorption. The toxin's plasma levels at 1 and 3 h after a single oral dose

of OTA were significantly decreased in bile salt-depleted rats compared to

the control. Thus, the alteration of the bile salt biliary pool and OTA

enterohepatic circulation may be an additional mechanism of action of the

resin against mycotoxin toxicity.

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rat by decreasing plasma levels and enhancing fecal excretion of the toxin.*

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..

Departement de Nutrition, Universite de Montreal, Quebec, Canada.

Ochratoxin A (OTA) is a mycotoxin that may contaminate animal feed (oat,

barley, and rye) and food (wheat, rice, coffee, beer, pig meat), leading to

major health problems (e.g., nephropathy) in several animal species

including humans. Several methods have been tested to reduce the toxicity of

OTA in animals but with limited success. In rats, the effect of

cholestyramine (CHA), a bile acid-binding resin, was investigated on

OTA-induced nephrotoxicity and bioavailability. Animals were fed

semisynthetic diets containing two levels of OTA: 1 or 3 ppm. At each level

of OTA, the diets were enriched with 0.1, 1, and 5% of CHA. The results

showed that CHA decreased the concentration of OTA in plasma. At 1 and 3 ppm

of OTA in the diet, CHA is effective at a level of 0.1% and 5%,

respectively. The excretion of OTA and its metabolites (ochratoxin alpha and

hydroxylated ochratoxin A) in bile and urine was also decreased by addition

of 5% CHA in the diet. This was associated with an increase of OTA excretion

in feces. Enzymuria and renal morphology revealed that dietary CHA can

decrease OTA-induced nephrotoxicity, probably by reducing renal exposure to

the toxin. In conclusion, CHA can reduce OTA concentrations in plasma as

well as reducing nephrotoxicity, which may be attributed to a decrease of

bioavailability and/or enterohepatic circulation of the toxin.

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..

Toxicology Department, University of Bordeaux, France.

Ochratoxin A (OTA) is a mycotoxin produced by ubiquitous Aspergilli, mainly

by Aspergillus ochraceus and also by Penicilium verrucosum. It was found all

over the world in feed and human food and blood as well as in animal blood

and tissues. The most threatening effects of OTA are its nephrotoxicity and

carcinogenicity, since this mycotoxin is nephrotoxic to all animal species

studied so far and is increasingly involved in the Balkan endemic

nephropathy (BEN), a human chronic interstitial nephropathy which is most of

the time associated to urinary tract tumours. Since it seems impossible to

avoid contamination of foodstuffs by toxigenic fungi, detoxification and

detoxication for OTA are needed. To reduce or abolish the OTA-induced toxic

effects, several mechanisms were investigated. The results of these

investigations showed that some of the potential antidotes were efficient in

preventing the main OTA toxic effects whereas some others were not.

Promising compounds are structural analogues of OTA, and/or compounds having

a high binding affinity for plasma proteins such as piroxicam, a

non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID). Some enzymes such as

superoxide dismutase (SOD) and catalase, radical scavengers, vitamins,

prostaglandin (PG) synthesis inhibitors, (such as piroxicam), pH

modificators, adsorbant resin such as cholestyramine etc. are efficient in

vivo. Some of the results obtained in vivo were already confirmed in vitro

and gave useful information on how to safely use these antidotes. The most

generally acting compound seems to be A19 (Aspartame), a structural analogue

of OTA and phenylalanine. When given to rats A19 (25 mg/kg/48 h) combined to

OTA (289 micrograms/kg/48 h) for several weeks largely prevented OTA

nephrotoxicity and genotoxicity. When given after intoxication of animals

with OTA it washes out the toxin efficiently from the body. In vitro, A19

(10 micrograms/ml) prevents OTA (20-500 micrograms/ml) binding to plasma

proteins. Its general action without any known side effect in humans and in

animals, points at A19 to be the best candidate for preventing the

OTA-induced subchronic effects.

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in rats.*

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med_Abstract & term=%22Marquardt+RR%22%5BAuthor%5D>

..

Department of Animal Science, University of Manitoba Winnipeg, Canada.

Three experiments with rats established the effects of dietary

cholestyramine on the disposition of ochratoxin A (OA) and its hydrolysed

metabolite, alpha-ochratoxin (O alpha). In the first experiment OA (1 mg/kg)

was incorporated into a diet that contained 0, 0.5, 1.0 and

2.0%cholestyramine. Cholestyramine markedly reduced blood

concentrations of OA (

1.6 to 0.75 micrograms/ml, P less than 0.0001) for all concentrations of the

resin. The second experiment demonstrated that 2% cholestyramine added to

the diet of rats markedly reduced cumulative urinary OA excretion (26 to 6

micrograms, P less than 0.01) and increased cumulative faecal OA excretion

(8 to 38 micrograms, P less than 0.001). The third experiment established

the efficacy of cholestyramine (2%) when added to diets containing two

concentrations (0 and 6%) of a saturated fat (tallow). The bioavailability

of OA as determined by area under the blood concentration curve over 216 hr

was 424 micrograms/ml/hr for the control rats and 186 micrograms/ml/hr for

the cholestyramine-treated rats (P less than 0.0001). Cholestyramine

treatment increased the recovery of OA plus O alpha in the faeces plus urine

over a 5-day period from 65.5 to 96.2% (P less than 0.0001). Cholestyramine

also greatly increased the amount of OA plus O alpha and particularly of OA

excretion in the faeces (105 to 160 micrograms, P less than 0.0001 for OA

plus O alpha and 82 to 150 micrograms, P less than 0.0001 for OA) and

resulted in a corresponding decrease in the excretion of these compounds in

the urine. The concentration of fat in the diet had a much less dramatic

effect than cholestyramine, was mainly detected in the urine and was

affected by an interaction with cholestyramine (P less than 0.0001).

Cholestyramine greatly reduced the concentration of OA plus O alpha (37 v. 8

micrograms) when the content of dietary fat was low but to a much lesser

degree when it was high (19 v. 12 micrograms). These results suggest that

the concentration of fat in the diet may affect the pattern of OA excretion

in the urine. Cholestyramine added to the diet greatly increases the amount

of OA eliminated in the faeces and reduces the amount in the urine, and as a

result it decreases the amount present in the systemic circulation.

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Institut de Biologie Moleculaire et Cellulaire du CNRS, Strasbourg, France.

The distribution and elimination of [3H]ochratoxin A (OTA) from stomach

content and tissue, intestine content and tissue, liver, bile, serum and

urine of Swiss male mice which had received a single low dose of OTA by

intubation was followed as a function of time. The profiles of radioactivity

do not show a smooth decline after the absorption period, but an oscillating

pattern with rapid declines followed by increases which favour the

assumption of an enterohepatic circulation. Between 28% and 68% of

conjugated OTA together with OTA cleavage products were found in bile giving

evidence for biliary excretion of OTA and its metabolites in mice. When

given i.m. to mice [3H]OTA is already found after 30 min in bile and

intestine contents and its elimination patterns show several peaks

confirming the biliary excretion and the enterohepatic circulation.

Cholestyramine, which is known to prevent the enterohepatic circulation of

drugs and toxins, changes the profile of elimination of OTA which no longer

presents the cyclic pattern. This result is also in favour of an

enterohepatic circulation of OTA. When phenylalanine is given together with

OTA by oral gavage the toxicokinetics of the mycotoxin change completely in

the different body fluids, in stomach and intestine content and tissues.

Phenylalanine seems to facilitate the gastric absorption of OTA and the

gastro-intestinal transit. It increases also its early excretion into urine

and bile. However, its elimination pattern no longer shows the oscillating

pattern. Thus phenylalanine seems to inhibit the intestinal reabsorption of

OTA conjugates.

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Thanks for the links LS. The one article I pulled up talked about

effectiveness of Standard Q/FIS (a carbon/aluminosilicate-based

product). Is that CSM?

I believe but cannot say with any certainty since I cannot claim to

have done much study on subject but from reading I have done I think

it should be noted that studies seem to be regarding drugs only, and

not foods or other detox methods, so although this is impressive, I

wouldn't rule out other things that seem to make sense in detoxing.

Although we want research to be about our health. Unfortunately it

is really about somebody making some money on a particular

proprietary product.

That being said, since we cannot do our own research on foods and

alternatives, it is safe to rely on people we trust like Dr

Shoemaker and others who have research CSM so we know there is

something that does work. Just adding that other things should not

be ruled out or assumed to be less effective since it is probably

due to lack of interest and research.

> >

> > Hi all,

> > Has anyone had luck with an alternative to CSM, like chlorella,

activated

> > charcoal, etc?

> > Thanks,

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ____

>

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Addit

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>

> *Recent advances on the use of adsorbent materials for

detoxification of

> Fusarium mycotoxins.*

>

> *Avantaggiato G*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Avantaggiato+G%22%

5BAuthor%5D>,

> *Solfrizzo M*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

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5BAuthor%5D>,

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db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Visconti+A%22%

5BAuthor%5D>

> .

>

> Institute of Sciences of Food Production, National Research

Council, Bari,

> Italy. giuseppina.avantaggiato@...

>

> The extensive use of adsorbents in the livestock industry has led

to the

> introduction of a wide range of new products on the market, most

of them

> claiming high in vitro mycotoxin adsorption capacity. However,

adsorbents

> that may appear effective in vitro do not necessarily retain their

efficacy

> when tested in vivo. Studies performed in our laboratory during

the past few

> years aiming to evaluate the efficacy of various adsorbent

materials in

> binding Fusarium mycotoxins are reported. Adsorption experiments

were

> performed in in vitro screening tests for Fusarium mycotoxins at

different

> pHs; by in vivo tests using the increase of the sphinganine to

sphingosine

> ratio in rat urine and tissues as a biomarker of fumonisin

exposure; and by

> a dynamic, computer-controlled, gastrointestinal model simulating

the

> gastrointestinal tract of healthy pigs. Most of the commercially

available

> mycotoxin-binders failed in sequestering in vitro Fusarium

mycotoxins. Only

> for a small number of adsorbent materials was the ability to bind

more than

> one mycotoxin demonstrated. Cholestyramine was proven to be an

effective

> binder for fumonisins and zearalenone in vitro, which was

confirmed for

> zearalenone in experiments using a dynamic gastrointestinal model

and for

> fumonisins in in vivo experiments. No adsorbent materials, with the

> exception of activated carbon, showed relevant ability in binding

> deoxynivalenol and nivalenol. The in vitro efficacy of activated

carbon

> toward fumonisins was not confirmed in vivo by the biomarker

assay. The

> dynamic gastrointestinal model was a reliable tool to study the

> effectiveness of adsorbent materials in reducing the

bioaccessibility of

> Fusarium mycotoxins, as an alternative to the more difficult and

> time-consuming studies with domestic livestock.

>

>

>

> Arch Anim Nutr. <javascript:AL_get(this, 'jour', 'Arch Anim

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agents for

> their efficacy on deoxynivalenol and zearalenone.*

>

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5BAuthor%5D>

> .

>

> Institute of Animal Nutrition, Federal Agricultural Research

Centre (FAL),

> Braunschweig, Germany. susanne.doell@...

>

> A simple in vitro system was developed to study the efficacy of

commercially

> available mycotoxin detoxifying agents and adsorbing substances as

feed

> additives to detoxify deoxynivalenol (DON) and zearalenone (ZON)

in situ.

> The in vitro model simulates the conditions (pH, temperature and

transit

> time) of the porcine gastrointestinal tract, as pigs react most

sensitively

> to these mycotoxins. The commercially available products were not

effective

> in detoxifying DON and ZON under the applied conditions, while

activated

> carbon was able to bind both toxins and cholestyramine, and a

modified

> aluminosilicate showed good adsorption abilities for ZON. Data

obtained in

> dose dependency studies showed an estimated adsorption capacity of

> cholestyramine and the modified aluminosilicate of 11.7 and 5.7 g

ZON/kg

> detoxifying agent. The in vitro system deployed in the present

study was

> demonstrated to be a simple, helpful tool in screening substances

for their

> ability to detoxify DON and ZON under the simulated conditions of

the

> porcine gastrointestinal tract. Nonetheless in vivo experiments are

> indispensable to proof the efficacy.

>

>

>

>

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> *Assessing the zearalenone-binding activity of adsorbent materials

during

> passage through a dynamic in vitro gastrointestinal model.*

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5BAuthor%5D>

> .

>

> CNR Institute of Sciences of Food Production, I-70125 Bari, Italy.

> giuseppina.avantaggiato@...

>

> A novel approach is presented herein to study the intestinal

absorption of

> mycotoxins by using a laboratory model that mimics the metabolic

processes

> of the gastrointestinal (GI) tract of healthy pigs. This model was

used to

> evaluate the small-intestinal absorption of zearalenone from

contaminated

> wheat (4.1 mg/kg) and the effectiveness of activated carbon and

> cholestyramine at four inclusion levels (0.25, 0.5, 1 and 2%) in

reducing

> toxin absorption. Approximately 32% of ZEA intake (247 microg) was

released

> from the food matrix during 6 h of digestion and was rapidly

absorbed at

> intestinal level. A significant reduction of intestinal absorption

of ZEA

> was found after inclusion of activated carbon or cholestyramine,

even at the

> lowest dose of adsorbents, with a more pronounced effect exhibited

by

> activated carbon. In particular, when 2% of activated carbon or

> cholestyramine was added to the meal the ZEA intestinal absorption

was

> lowered from 32% of ZEA intake to 5 and 16%, respectively. The

sequestering

> effect of both adsorbents took place already during the first 2 h

of

> digestion and persisted during the rest of the experiment. The GI-

model is a

> rapid and physiologically relevant method to test the efficacy of

adsorbent

> materials in binding mycotoxins and can be used to pre-screen

> mycotoxin/adsorbent combinations as an alternative to animal

experiments.

>

>

>

> Mycopathologia. <javascript:AL_get(this, 'jour',

> 'Mycopathologia.');>2001;151(3):147-53. Related

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> *In vitro and in vivo studies to assess the effectiveness of

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> as a binding agent for fumonisins.*

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5BAuthor%5D>,

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5BAuthor%5D>

> .

>

> Istituto Tossine e Micotossine da Parassiti Vegetali, CNR, Bari,

Italy.

> itmpms12@...

>

> Several adsorbent materials were tested at I mg/ml for their in

vitro

> capacity to adsorb fumonisin B1(FB1) from aqueous solutions.

Cholestyramine

> showed the best adsorption capacity (85% from a solution

containing 200

> microg/ml FB1) followed by activated carbon (62% FB1). Bentonite

adsorbed

> only 12% of the toxin from a solution containing 13 microg/ml FB1,

while

> celite was not effective even at the lowest tested FB1

concentration

> (3.2microg/ml). Cholestyramine was tested in vivo to evaluate its

> capacity to

> reduce the bioavailability of fumonisins (FBs) in rats fed diet

contaminated

> with toxigenic Fusarium verticillioides culture material. Rats

were exposed

> for one week to FBs-free diet, FBs-contaminated diet containing 6

or 20

> microg/g FB1 + FB2 and the same FBs-contaminated diet added of 20

mg/g

> cholestyramine. The increase of sphinganine/sphingosine (SA/SO)

ratio in

> urine and kidney of treated rats was used as specific and sensitive

> biomarker of fumonisin exposure. The addition of cholestyramine to

the

> FBs-contaminated diets consistently reduced the effect of FBs by

reducing

> significantly (P < 0.05) both urinary and renal SA/SO ratios.

>

>

> J Food Prot. <javascript:AL_get(this, 'jour', 'J Food Prot.');>

1999

> Dec;62(12):1461-5. Related

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> *Cholestyramine protection against ochratoxin A toxicity: role of

ochratoxin

> A sorption by the resin and bile acid enterohepatic circulation.*

>

> *Kerkadi A*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

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5BAuthor%5D>,

> *Barriault C*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Barriault+C%22%

5BAuthor%5D>,

> *Marquardt RR*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Marquardt+RR%22%

5BAuthor%5D>,

> *Frohlich AA*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Frohlich+AA%22%

5BAuthor%5D>,

> *Yousef IM*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Yousef+IM%22%

5BAuthor%5D>,

> *Zhu XX*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Zhu+XX%22%

5BAuthor%5D>,

> *Tuchweber B*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Tuchweber+B%22%

5BAuthor%5D>

> .

>

> Department of Nutrition, Universite de Montreal, Quebec, Canada.

>

> We have shown that the addition of cholestyramine (CHA, a resin

known to

> bind bile salts in the gastrointestinal tract) to ochratoxin A

> (OTA)-contaminated rat diets reduced plasma levels of the toxin and

> prevented OTA-induced nephrotoxicity. To elucidate the mechanism

of action

> of CHA, we carried out in vitro experiments to determine whether

the resin

> may bind the toxin. For comparative purposes, binding of bile

salts to the

> resin was also examined. Results showed that CHA binds both OTA

and bile

> salts (taurodeoxycholate [TDC] and taurocholate [TCA]). Also, CHA

showed

> greater affinity for OTA and TDC than for TCA. At 1 mM

concentration, 96% of

> OTA and 80% of TDC were bound to the resin, while for TCA binding

was only

> 50%. However, saturation of the resin was reached at higher levels

with bile

> acids compared to OTA (3.67 mmol/g resin for TCA and 3.71 mmol/g

resin for

> TDC versus 2.85 mmol/g resin for OTA). To characterize the nature

of the

> binding of the toxin to CHA, NaCl (0 to 200 mM) was added to a

fixed amount

> of OTA or bile acids. As expected, TCA absorption was decreased by

the

> addition of NaCl (<50 mM), indicating electrostatic binding.

However, OTA

> and TDC sorption was decreased only at high concentrations of NaCl

(>150

> mM), suggesting a stronger binding to the resin than that shown

with TCA.

> Sequential competitive studies demonstrated that CHA binds more

OTA than

> TCA. The results of the in vivo study show the role of bile salts

in OTA

> absorption. The toxin's plasma levels at 1 and 3 h after a single

oral dose

> of OTA were significantly decreased in bile salt-depleted rats

compared to

> the control. Thus, the alteration of the bile salt biliary pool

and OTA

> enterohepatic circulation may be an additional mechanism of action

of the

> resin against mycotoxin toxicity.

> J Toxicol Environ Health A. <javascript:AL_get(this, 'jour', 'J

Toxicol

> Environ Health A.');> 1998 Feb 6;53(3):231-50. Related

> Articles,<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

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> Links <javascript:PopUpMenu2_Set(Menu9482354);>

> *Dietary cholestyramine reduces ochratoxin A-induced

nephrotoxicity in the

> rat by decreasing plasma levels and enhancing fecal excretion of

the toxin.*

>

> *Kerkadi A*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Kerkadi+A%22%

5BAuthor%5D>,

> *Barriault C*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Barriault+C%22%

5BAuthor%5D>,

> *Tuchweber B*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Tuchweber+B%22%

5BAuthor%5D>,

> *Frohlich AA*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Frohlich+AA%22%

5BAuthor%5D>,

> *Marquardt RR*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Marquardt+RR%22%

5BAuthor%5D>,

> *Bouchard G*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Bouchard+G%22%

5BAuthor%5D>,

> *Yousef IM*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Yousef+IM%22%

5BAuthor%5D>

> .

>

> Departement de Nutrition, Universite de Montreal, Quebec, Canada.

>

> Ochratoxin A (OTA) is a mycotoxin that may contaminate animal feed

(oat,

> barley, and rye) and food (wheat, rice, coffee, beer, pig meat),

leading to

> major health problems (e.g., nephropathy) in several animal species

> including humans. Several methods have been tested to reduce the

toxicity of

> OTA in animals but with limited success. In rats, the effect of

> cholestyramine (CHA), a bile acid-binding resin, was investigated

on

> OTA-induced nephrotoxicity and bioavailability. Animals were fed

> semisynthetic diets containing two levels of OTA: 1 or 3 ppm. At

each level

> of OTA, the diets were enriched with 0.1, 1, and 5% of CHA. The

results

> showed that CHA decreased the concentration of OTA in plasma. At 1

and 3 ppm

> of OTA in the diet, CHA is effective at a level of 0.1% and 5%,

> respectively. The excretion of OTA and its metabolites (ochratoxin

alpha and

> hydroxylated ochratoxin A) in bile and urine was also decreased by

addition

> of 5% CHA in the diet. This was associated with an increase of OTA

excretion

> in feces. Enzymuria and renal morphology revealed that dietary CHA

can

> decrease OTA-induced nephrotoxicity, probably by reducing renal

exposure to

> the toxin. In conclusion, CHA can reduce OTA concentrations in

plasma as

> well as reducing nephrotoxicity, which may be attributed to a

decrease of

> bioavailability and/or enterohepatic circulation of the toxin.

> Toxicol Lett. <javascript:AL_get(this, 'jour', 'Toxicol Lett.');>

1995

> Dec;82-83:869-77. Related

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> *Prevention of nephrotoxicity of ochratoxin A, a food contaminant.*

>

> *Creppy EE*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Creppy+EE%22%

5BAuthor%5D>,

> *Baudrimont I*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Baudrimont+I%22%

5BAuthor%5D>,

> *Betbeder AM*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Betbeder+AM%22%

5BAuthor%5D>

> .

>

> Toxicology Department, University of Bordeaux, France.

>

> Ochratoxin A (OTA) is a mycotoxin produced by ubiquitous

Aspergilli, mainly

> by Aspergillus ochraceus and also by Penicilium verrucosum. It was

found all

> over the world in feed and human food and blood as well as in

animal blood

> and tissues. The most threatening effects of OTA are its

nephrotoxicity and

> carcinogenicity, since this mycotoxin is nephrotoxic to all animal

species

> studied so far and is increasingly involved in the Balkan endemic

> nephropathy (BEN), a human chronic interstitial nephropathy which

is most of

> the time associated to urinary tract tumours. Since it seems

impossible to

> avoid contamination of foodstuffs by toxigenic fungi,

detoxification and

> detoxication for OTA are needed. To reduce or abolish the OTA-

induced toxic

> effects, several mechanisms were investigated. The results of these

> investigations showed that some of the potential antidotes were

efficient in

> preventing the main OTA toxic effects whereas some others were not.

> Promising compounds are structural analogues of OTA, and/or

compounds having

> a high binding affinity for plasma proteins such as piroxicam, a

> non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID). Some enzymes such as

> superoxide dismutase (SOD) and catalase, radical scavengers,

vitamins,

> prostaglandin (PG) synthesis inhibitors, (such as piroxicam), pH

> modificators, adsorbant resin such as cholestyramine etc. are

efficient in

> vivo. Some of the results obtained in vivo were already confirmed

in vitro

> and gave useful information on how to safely use these antidotes.

The most

> generally acting compound seems to be A19 (Aspartame), a

structural analogue

> of OTA and phenylalanine. When given to rats A19 (25 mg/kg/48 h)

combined to

> OTA (289 micrograms/kg/48 h) for several weeks largely prevented

OTA

> nephrotoxicity and genotoxicity. When given after intoxication of

animals

> with OTA it washes out the toxin efficiently from the body. In

vitro, A19

> (10 micrograms/ml) prevents OTA (20-500 micrograms/ml) binding to

plasma

> proteins. Its general action without any known side effect in

humans and in

> animals, points at A19 to be the best candidate for preventing the

> OTA-induced subchronic effects.

>

>

>

> <javascript:AL_get(this, 'jour', 'Toxicol Lett.');>

> Food Chem Toxicol. <javascript:AL_get(this, 'jour', 'Food Chem

> Toxicol.');>1992 Aug;30(8):709-14. Related

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> *Effect of dietary cholestyramine on the elimination pattern of

ochratoxin A

> in rats.*

>

> *Madhyastha MS*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Madhyastha+MS%22%

5BAuthor%5D>,

> *Frohlich AA*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Frohlich+AA%22%

5BAuthor%5D>,

> *Marquardt RR*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Marquardt+RR%22%

5BAuthor%5D>

> .

>

> Department of Animal Science, University of Manitoba Winnipeg,

Canada.

>

> Three experiments with rats established the effects of dietary

> cholestyramine on the disposition of ochratoxin A (OA) and its

hydrolysed

> metabolite, alpha-ochratoxin (O alpha). In the first experiment OA

(1 mg/kg)

> was incorporated into a diet that contained 0, 0.5, 1.0 and

> 2.0%cholestyramine. Cholestyramine markedly reduced blood

> concentrations of OA (

> 1.6 to 0.75 micrograms/ml, P less than 0.0001) for all

concentrations of the

> resin. The second experiment demonstrated that 2% cholestyramine

added to

> the diet of rats markedly reduced cumulative urinary OA excretion

(26 to 6

> micrograms, P less than 0.01) and increased cumulative faecal OA

excretion

> (8 to 38 micrograms, P less than 0.001). The third experiment

established

> the efficacy of cholestyramine (2%) when added to diets containing

two

> concentrations (0 and 6%) of a saturated fat (tallow). The

bioavailability

> of OA as determined by area under the blood concentration curve

over 216 hr

> was 424 micrograms/ml/hr for the control rats and 186

micrograms/ml/hr for

> the cholestyramine-treated rats (P less than 0.0001).

Cholestyramine

> treatment increased the recovery of OA plus O alpha in the faeces

plus urine

> over a 5-day period from 65.5 to 96.2% (P less than 0.0001).

Cholestyramine

> also greatly increased the amount of OA plus O alpha and

particularly of OA

> excretion in the faeces (105 to 160 micrograms, P less than 0.0001

for OA

> plus O alpha and 82 to 150 micrograms, P less than 0.0001 for OA)

and

> resulted in a corresponding decrease in the excretion of these

compounds in

> the urine. The concentration of fat in the diet had a much less

dramatic

> effect than cholestyramine, was mainly detected in the urine and

was

> affected by an interaction with cholestyramine (P less than

0.0001).

> Cholestyramine greatly reduced the concentration of OA plus O

alpha (37 v. 8

> micrograms) when the content of dietary fat was low but to a much

lesser

> degree when it was high (19 v. 12 micrograms). These results

suggest that

> the concentration of fat in the diet may affect the pattern of OA

excretion

> in the urine. Cholestyramine added to the diet greatly increases

the amount

> of OA eliminated in the faeces and reduces the amount in the

urine, and as a

> result it decreases the amount present in the systemic circulation.

> Toxicology. <javascript:AL_get(this, 'jour', 'Toxicology.');> 1988

> Mar;48(3):293-308. Related

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> *Evidence for an enterohepatic circulation of ochratoxin A in

mice.*

>

> *Roth A*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Roth+A%22%

5BAuthor%5D>,

> *Chakor K*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Chakor+K%22%

5BAuthor%5D>,

> *Creppy EE*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Creppy+EE%22%

5BAuthor%5D>,

> *Kane A*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Kane+A%22%

5BAuthor%5D>,

> *Roschenthaler R*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Roschenthaler+R%

22%5BAuthor%5D>,

> *Dirheimer G*<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Search & itool=pubmed_Abstract & term=%22Dirheimer+G%22%

5BAuthor%5D>

> .

>

> Institut de Biologie Moleculaire et Cellulaire du CNRS,

Strasbourg, France.

>

> The distribution and elimination of [3H]ochratoxin A (OTA) from

stomach

> content and tissue, intestine content and tissue, liver, bile,

serum and

> urine of Swiss male mice which had received a single low dose of

OTA by

> intubation was followed as a function of time. The profiles of

radioactivity

> do not show a smooth decline after the absorption period, but an

oscillating

> pattern with rapid declines followed by increases which favour the

> assumption of an enterohepatic circulation. Between 28% and 68% of

> conjugated OTA together with OTA cleavage products were found in

bile giving

> evidence for biliary excretion of OTA and its metabolites in mice.

When

> given i.m. to mice [3H]OTA is already found after 30 min in bile

and

> intestine contents and its elimination patterns show several peaks

> confirming the biliary excretion and the enterohepatic circulation.

> Cholestyramine, which is known to prevent the enterohepatic

circulation of

> drugs and toxins, changes the profile of elimination of OTA which

no longer

> presents the cyclic pattern. This result is also in favour of an

> enterohepatic circulation of OTA. When phenylalanine is given

together with

> OTA by oral gavage the toxicokinetics of the mycotoxin change

completely in

> the different body fluids, in stomach and intestine content and

tissues.

> Phenylalanine seems to facilitate the gastric absorption of OTA

and the

> gastro-intestinal transit. It increases also its early excretion

into urine

> and bile. However, its elimination pattern no longer shows the

oscillating

> pattern. Thus phenylalanine seems to inhibit the intestinal

reabsorption of

> OTA conjugates.

>

>

>

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Many physicians especially if the patient is new to them will not prescribe

CSM. Because CSM for mold is an off label use of this drug they are worried

about malpractice. Further, as we know, these physicians know nothing of

mold exposure nor are most interested in learning. It is always the same

response for them learning about anything new from a patient, " send me the

information on this. " The amount of time they take with anything new is the

same

amount of time it takes to say, " send me the information on this. "

The way physicians are trained these days has greatly affected how they

practice medicine. Far too many are unable to think out of the box. They seem

to

be lacking the analytical skills and most importantly the motivation to

connect any dots other then the paint by numbers that they learned in med

school.

With most internists if anything appears to be out of their specialty they

are quick to refer to a specialist. You got a rash, you need to see a

dermatologist. You got joint pain, you need to see a rheumatologist. You got

migraines, you need to see a neurologist and so it goes. Part of this comes

from

the fear of malpractice and part comes from the way they are being trained.

In essence the unholistic approach to medicine. Many of these physicians

concept of holistic medicine today is making sure they tell the patient to be

sure to have the specialists send them their reports.

For the physicians who have not fallen victim to the system, we applaud you.

For the people on this list and otherwise that have been able to find these

physicians, consider yourselves blessed.

Bobbins, RN, L.Ac, QME

In a message dated 5/21/2007 6:20:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

quackadillian@... writes:

You guys, you should talk to an expert like Dr. Shoemaker on all of this.

Barb, you can download his time series paper and the other stuff from

chronicneurotoxins.chronicneurotoxins.chronicneurotoxins.<WBR>com /

moldwarrior

them Mold Warriors.

I have a loaner copy that has gotten a lot of use in that way.

If your doctor won't spend the tiny amount of time they need to spend to

verify that this is a legitimate therapy, all I can say is you are wasting

your money with them. Get another doctor. Don't forget, they work for you,

you are paying them.

You, we all, NEED to get better and if they can't help you reach that goal

you are NOT getting your money's worth. 'Fire' them, move on, cut your

losses, etc.

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What are people supposed to do then?

This is a really incredibly unacceptable (and given the long term effects of

mold on people) DANGEROUS situation.

At times like this, we really look to our government for leadership but what

do we get -

Look at what the government could and should be doing versus what they are

doing.

For example, our government SHOULD stockpile huge amounts of CSM for dealing

with the aftermaths of things like Hurricane Katrina. Especially for

emergency workers.

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