Need a Doctor

[Guest guest]

Hi Nina

I know a lady that lives in Cape Town, I have written to her for some

information. Your story is sad, babies are so beautiful, such a shame to spoil

them like that. I know of people here in NZ that will not even let Dr's

administer the Vit K injection at birth. I am now starting to believe these

" immunisations " might have long lasting affects on us. I think the mercury

issue is like the Romans and lead pipes, later generations will looks back on us

with absolute horror ! The sad part about this is we are not learning, my kids

are 9 and 11 and both have amalgam fillings.

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[ ] need a doctor

Dear Group,

I am new at both the group and at e-mail. I have a son they say is borderline

autistic. He is 2 1/2 and is starting to talk, relate and play. but the process

is very slow. I believe that all his trouble started from a high dosage of

mercury via the vaccines.

My husband was transferred to Nigeria Africa a year ago and took my son for

vaccines before our travels. The doctor convinced him to give all the vaccines

at one time as he put it " the immune system only had to respond once. " So he

got the following: polio, DPT, Hib, MMR, yellow fever and varessela., quite a

dosage for a 1 year old. After receiving these vaccines he cried for two hours

straight. Very slowly I lost my lovely, kind, sweet, bright boy, and slowly he

lost any speech he had. I am pleased with the progress he is making right now,

but I would like to do detox on him.

The problem is, we like in Nigeria, and there are no doctors or even Labs that

can do any of this kind of testing. I know his mercury levels are elevated

because I did a urine test before we left the US.

The nearest place that could support us medically is South Africa. So does

anybody know of a Doctor in Cape Town, South Africa who is familiar with

detoxing in autistic children.

Also, I tried cilantro for three day and my son has been improving at faster

rate since. The only problem is I don't know if it is the therapy (greenspan)

which I started round about the same time or it is the cilantro, two month

ago---is anybody familiar with cilantro-- I know Dr Amy Holmes advises against

it, but being in a country where medical assistance is poor, it seem the next

best alterative as I believe my son had mercury poisoning.

Please, Please, help, as the sooner we do this the more likelihood we had of

recovering him.

Thank you all, you have been a great help.

PS. I believe in the next few years the so called medical establishment will

proof us right. Personally, I think they are scared of having a run-on vaccines

because of their own negligence to make the vaccines safe for the children.

Best wishes to everybody,

NINA

[Guest guest]

**Hi, Nina,

I can understand how desperately upset you are about your child.I

live in Johannesburg & last visited Cape Town in 1985-I don't know

anyone there, either socially or in the medical field, let alone anyone

specialising in autism/detoxing. Perhaps the answer is to go to one

of the big teaching hospitals? I'll see if I can ask anyone who might

have any information, & get back to you as soon as possible-but I

must admit that no obvious answer springs to my mind.

Take care, Lucille

Re: FW: [ ] need a doctor

Group,

I am new at both the group and at e-mail. I have a son they say is

borderline autistic. He

is 2 1/2 and is starting to talk, relate and play. but the process is very

slow. I believe that

all his trouble started from a high dosage of mercury via the vaccines.

My husband was transferred to Nigeria Africa a year ago and took my son for

vaccines

before our travels. The doctor convinced him to give all the vaccines at

one time as he

put it " the immune system only had to respond once. " So he got the

following: polio,

DPT, Hib, MMR, yellow fever and varessela., quite a dosage for a 1 year

old. After

receiving these vaccines he cried for two hours straight. Very slowly I

lost my lovely,

kind, sweet, bright boy, and slowly he lost any speech he had. I am pleased

with the

progress he is making right now, but I would like to do detox on him.

The problem is, we like in Nigeria, and there are no doctors or even Labs

that can

do any of this kind of testing. I know his mercury levels are elevated

because I did

a urine test before we left the US.

The nearest place that could support us medically is South Africa. So does

anybody

know of a Doctor in Cape Town, South Africa who is familiar with detoxing

in autistic

children.

Also, I tried cilantro for three day and my son has been improving at faster

rate since.

The only problem is I don't know if it is the therapy (greenspan) which I

started round

about the same time or it is the cilantro, two month ago---is anybody

familiar with

cilantro-- I know Dr Amy Holmes advises against it, but being in a country

where

medical assistance is poor, it seem the next best alterative as I believe my

son had

mercury poisoning.

Please, Please, help, as the sooner we do this the more likelihood we had of

recovering

him.Thank you all, you have been a great help.

PS. I believe in the next few years the so called medical establishment will

proof us

right. Personally, I think they are scared of having a run-on vaccines

because of their

own negligence to make the vaccines safe for the children.

Best wishes to everybody,

NINA

[Guest guest]

Rocco, I believe I speak for many in this group

(including myself) who know where you are and where you have

been. Your list of symptoms looks like I could have

written it.<br><br>A suggestion - have you yet read " The

Testosterone Syndrome " by Dr. Eugene R. Shippen?<br><br>If not

please do, and if you are willing to travel why not go

up to PA to see the doc himself?<br><br>Hang in

there.<br>A

[Guest guest]

Rocco,<br><br>You have many sympathizers here in

this club! We know what you're going through. Hang in

there and try to keep a positive attitude. Take some

Zinc and Vitamin E - it does help! <br><br>My

suggestion for an Endocriniologist who could help you would

be to go to a University Medical Center. Physicians

in these settings see many unusual cases and seem to

be more interested in actually treating the patient

than in getting another insurance claim form pushed

through the system. My University physician and the

interns spent 2 1/2 hours with me on my first

appointment! Amazing! In addition, the teaching role of these

institutions adds an extra purpose for evaluating and treating

patients. Since your Hypo is secondary (as is mine), I

would suggest starting with a pituitary specialist. If

that fails, try to find a female Endo. Women MDs are

more sensitive and understanding about hormonal issues

than are male MDs, since they have had to deal with

hormones since puberty. Most males simply cannot

relate....<br><br>Keep us posted, and if you need some encouragement,

you know where to come!<br><br><br>K4

[Guest guest]

Yes, I have read Doctor Shippens book. it's an

excellent book for understanding this condition. I

basically understand the hormone levels my main problem is

finding a good doctor to treat my condition.<br><br>I am

considering to setup an appointment with Shippen. However, I

wanted to see if the club members recommended other

doctors.<br><br>aalgazi - I read many of your postings. How did you get

your levels to 1,700 ng/dl?<br><br>Rocco

[Guest guest]

Hi Kaitain4,<br><br>Thanks for your understanding

and reply.<br><br>Last year I went to s Hopkins

University medical center in Baltimore, MD and met with a

female endocrinologist. She recommended that I use

Androgel. When I told her that I used Androgel previously

and it wasn't effective, she just ignored my reply

and said I need to use a higher dose. I tried using

androgel again and had the same negative results. Also,

this female endocrinologist kept traveling and staying

for months at various countries which made her

unavailable to me. In addition, her office rarely returned my

calls. It was very frustrating. I thought JHU medical

center was suppose to be the best. It took me a long

time (4 months) to see this doctor. However, because

of her unavaliability and the poor professional

capabilities of her office staff, I had to move on and find

another doctor.<br><br>In August 2001 I met with another

doctor. Last week, after receiving the results of my lab

work, I sent him an email message saying that I am

worse now than when I first met with him. He said for

me to make another appointment to see him. I am too

tired to travel. Also, it seems as though I am back to

square one with this doctor. I am hesitant to setup

another appointment to see him.<br><br>I want to know if

there is a doctor who is better. The last two weeks I

have been very tired. So, today I joined the club.

However, before joining, last week, I read many postings.

I have a basic understanding of the levels from my

years of experience with dealing with other doctors and

reading information posted on the web. In addition, I

read Dr. Shippens book. I think his book is excellent.

However, I need to find an aggresive thinking doctor who

is a hormone specialist. I really need to improve my

quality of life. I have been very low these last couple

of days.<br><br>Rocco

[Guest guest]

Rocco - Glad you read the book too. I do

reccommend Shippen for someone like you, seeing as you have

been through many paths already. i found him very

informative and understanding. I do caution you that he will

take time to tear apart the problem and then build you

back up slowly. In your case a combo of Clomid or HCG

might either test your hormonal axis or even upstart

it.<br>If you are looking locally can you see about s

Hopkins?<br>As far as the 1700+ ng/dl reading goes, I wouldn't

advise keeping them up that high again. It seems that my

local U Dr. wam\nted to see what a shot of Depo-T would

do for me over a few weeks time. He must have over

shot me and sent me on a roller coaster, which I'm in

the process of trying to stabilize. I had new blood

taken this AM to assess a new baseline after all

external hormones were out of my system. Dr. Shippen asked

me try another run of Clomid stim to see how the HPT

axis responds when I'm " clean " .<br><br>In the meantime

no one liked me with my low T feelings and I'm going

to gradually go back to an external compounded T

cream until I get back the new blood work and the Doc

makes his decision about what's next.<br><br>Stay with

it.<br>Cheers<br>A

[Guest guest]

Hi Aalgazi,<br><br>Thanks for your reply,

understanding, encouragement, and advice. It is

appreciated.<br><br>Last year I went to s Hopkins University medical

center in Baltimore, MD and met with a female

endocrinologist. She recommended that I use Androgel. When I told

her that I used Androgel previously and it wasn't

effective, she just ignored my reply and said I need to use

a higher dose. I tried using androgel again and had

the same negative results. Also, this female

endocrinologist kept traveling and staying for months at various

countries which made her unavailable to me. In addition,

her office rarely returned my calls. It was very

frustrating. I thought JHU medical center was suppose to be

the best. It took me a long time (4 months) to see

this doctor. However, because of her unavaliability

and the poor professional capabilities of her office

staff, I had to move on and find another doctor. So, JHU

medical center wasn't very helpful.<br><br>No, I wouldn't

recommend serum testosterone levels in the 1,700's ng/dl

range. I think 800 to 1,000 ng/dl is a good range.

However, this range may be to high for some individuals.

So, the range varies for each individual. As

Shippen's book states, some individuals function well at

300, 400 or 500. Each individual is different and each

individual has to find the level that is best for them to

function and improve their quality of life. Whatever level

that is, they need to find it and maintain those

levels.<br><br>Where are you getting the Testosterone creme? Is Dr.

Shippen prescribing it? Or, are you getting the creme

from ReNew?<br><br>I would like to have a Clomid

stimulation test. I think 50 mgs. of Clomid in the morning

and 50 mgs. could help. Also, I think I can benefit

from using HCG. In addition, I think Arimidex may be

of help. However, my current doctor has not suggest

that I have a Clomid stimulation test or that I should

use Clomid, HCG, or Arimidex. <br><br>I need to find

an aggressive thinking doctor who is willing to try

different tests and medications.<br><br>Believe me, I know

what it's like to have low testosterone levels. You

saw the symptoms I stated in my first

posting.<br><br>I hope everything goes well for you.<br><br>Rocco

[Guest guest]

Rocco,<br><br> " I need to find an aggressive

thinking doctor who is willing to try different tests and

medications. " <br><br>Maybe one of the members who has been to see Shippen

and ha a good relationship with him could get a list

of MDs in your area he would recommend. Surely he

knows someone closer to you that would be able to

help....<br><br>K4

[Guest guest]

Rocco - My expirience with a s Hopkins Endo

started well and ended poorly too; it's one of the

reasons I went to see Shippen. I've been to two endo's, a

uro, internist and Shippen. I guess I saved the best

for last (oh yeah, almost forgot I've gone back to

chiropractic too). <br><br>The creme is from Renew(for now

& depending on what Shippen says) and if my local uro will

move from shots to AG.<br><br>I think the stim tests

are right for you too. The only guy I know who does

this or is willing to help other Dr's do it is Shippen

- everyone else I've talked to is uninformed or has

no balls (no pun intended).<br><br>I'm not sure yet

what my ideal T levels are yet bout I've been down to

170 and as high as 418 on my own and felt like crap.

I wouldn't be surprised given my response north of

1700 that I'm going to find fertile ground somewhere

around the 1000 mark +/- 100. <br><br>I find that an

area with thin skin, that is shaved if needed, and has

been scrubed with soap, water or alcohol makes for

better T uptake. It takes a few days for a good base

level to take hold before I feel the effects of an

application.<br><br>We can have a discussion on good " thin-skin " sites

(open to all). Everyone's different but I find the

places where I can see " blue " veins to be effective:

inside wrists to arm pits, backs of knees, upper

hip/lower waist, parts of ankles and upper feet. Sometimes

a little dab on eye lids or scrotal area seems to

alliviate a the lulls.<br><br>Any one else got good

ideas?<br><br>Cheers,<br>A

[Guest guest]

Hi Rocco,<br><br>It doesn't sound like you need

an aggressive doc just someone with on open

mind.<br><br>Since you had some success with injections, I suspect

you'd do okay with small, frequent injections instead

of the 1 per month routine. Sometimes I think that

you get a negative response on more frequent

injections because the doc assumes you mean using a higher

total dose. In other words, I think it may help to be

clear that you would like to try say...100mg/5 days or

140mg/7 days instead of 200mg/10 days.<br><br>It sounds

like you might need a level that is a) higher than

you've had before and more stable. If you are having

trouble getting rx'd frequent injections, using the

implantable pellets might be worth looking into. I'd like to

see more data on how stable the levels produced are

but the therapy looks like it might be suitable with

implants every 3 months.<br><br>I put some contact info on

the pellets at message 2785. The company might be

able to give a referral to physicians using their

products. It might be worth placing some phone

calls.<br><br>Good luck,<br>Brad

[Guest guest]

I too was searching for a physician. There was

nobody local. I found the website www.cenegenics.com

(Las Vegas, NV) and really liked the information I saw

there. I made an appointment and saw their physician. It

wasn't cheap, but I found someone who understood my

issues. He wasn't an Endocrinologist or Urologist, but he

seemed very well trained in the subject. He spent about

three hours with me going over very detailed blood work

that he had ordered. I took the information back to my

local physician who is now treating me. Good luck.

[Guest guest]

After five long years we are about to go to trial. I need a Doctor I

can send our medical records to for evaluation as to the effects of

mold on our medical conditons.

I have heard you all talk about a Dr. Shumaker (I think that's how you

spell it) and I am wondering if he is the man I need. If so how do I

contact him. If he is not the man can you point me in the right

direction.

I appreciate any help any one can give me.

Jane

[Guest guest]

We've used Dr. Gray out of Benson, AZ and are very happy with

his work. His CV is topnotch. We haven't been to trial yet, but his

deposition work was excellent. 520-586-9111 - ask for Shana.

>

> After five long years we are about to go to trial. I need a Doctor I

> can send our medical records to for evaluation as to the effects of

> mold on our medical conditons.

>

> I have heard you all talk about a Dr. Shumaker (I think that's how you

> spell it) and I am wondering if he is the man I need. If so how do I

> contact him. If he is not the man can you point me in the right

> direction.

>

> I appreciate any help any one can give me.

>

> Jane

>