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, What do you think the steam sauna did for you that a Fir sauna

will not? Just curious. One would think point of steam and Fir sauna

is to sweat out toxins. Does not steam sauna work by sweating also?

Thanks for sharing. Barb

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In a message dated 6/23/2007 7:18:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

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, What do you think the steam sauna did for you that a Fir sauna

will not? Just curious. One would think point of steam and Fir sauna

is to sweat out toxins. Does not steam sauna work by sweating also?

Thanks for sharing. Barb

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> I've posted here on this forum back in 2004 & 2005. I was determined

> to find anything & everything that would help me fully recover from

my

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I hope you don't mind my asking these two questions.

How much of your recovery would you attribute to

(1.) getting out of whatever moldy environment made you ill and further

avoidance of mold?

(2.) time's healing power? (now that it has been six years)

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for well over a full year i used the FIR sauna, thinking with all my

profuse sweating, i was releasing toxins. the best description i can

give is that after each of my 70-minute session, i felt like i had

just showered, that clean feeling.

it was the combination of using the steam sauna with a medical-grade

ozone generator which caused my body to release toxins---nasty-looking

rashes & pimple-like pustules filled with clear/off-yellow fluid (my

FIR sauna sessions never caused a release of anything but

sweat/water). even using a modified stethoscope with the medical-grade

ozone generator caused a continuous fluid to be released out of my

ears & a couple of places on my scalp for weeks. with all the crud i

had been through (hives, brain fog, memory loss, eye infections,

mild-grade fever i had over 3+ years, etc), i really wasn't too

surprised...i was more surprised at how much of it kept coming out.

if you use the steam sauna without the medical-grade ozone generator,

you will not have the same effect as WITH the generator. the

medical-grade ozone generator's purpose is to oxidize any stored

toxins in the body...and any areas that do not have toxins will not

have any rashes or pustules.

> >

> > I've posted here on this forum back in 2004 & 2005. I was determined

> > to find anything & everything that would help me fully recover from

> my

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for well over a full year i used the FIR sauna, thinking with all my

profuse sweating, i was releasing toxins. the best description i can

give is that after each of my 70-minute session, i felt like i had

just showered, that clean feeling.

it was the combination of using the steam sauna with a medical-grade

ozone generator which caused my body to release toxins---nasty-ozone g

rashes & pimple-like pustules filled with clear/off-yellow fluid (my

FIR sauna sessions never caused a release of anything but

sweat/water)sweat/water)<WBR>. even using a modified stethoscope with the

ozone generator caused a continuous fluid to be released out of my

ears & a couple of places on my scalp for weeks. with all the crud i

had been through (hives, brain fog, memory loss, eye infections,

mild-grade fever i had over 3+ years, etc), i really wasn't too

surprised...surprised...<WBR>i was more surprised at how much of it kep

if you use the steam sauna without the medical-grade ozone generator,

you will not have the same effect as WITH the generator. the

medical-grade ozone generator's purpose is to oxAnidize any stored

toxins in the body...and any areas that do not have toxins will not

have any rashes or pustules.

,

Do you feel you're over this now?

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1) first of all, i think it's extremely important to get out of the

environment that's causing you illness. i had gotten sick in January

2001 (due to the awful winter weather, i thought i just had a bad case

of flu). i discovered the mold probably in february or march 2001, so

i don't really know how long the mold had been there all along before

my immune system went haywire. what i realize now is that although

it's of utmost importance to get out of that environment (whether it

be your residence or workplace), the mold has already gotten into your

body and wreaking havoc...and until you completely detox, it will stay

in your body. i didn't start doing the steam sauna with the

medical-grade ozone generator until October 2006. and even though i

had done the other protocols with the ozone generator

(funneling/cupping, vaginal insufflation, ear insufflation) for years,

it was the combination of the steam sauna + the medical-grade ozone

generator that really made a profound impact in eradicating the stored

toxins.

2) let me preface by stating in mid-2003, i felt my body was shutting

down, and i just knew in my heart that i was a couple of weeks from

death. time had nothing to do with me getting better. finding

SOMETHING that would help me detox is what got me better. i cannot

stress enough that mold is extremely difficult to eradicate from the

body. a lot of the stuff i tried (i.e. FIR sauna, RIFE, coffee enemas

was only a band-aid), i felt better for only a short period. had i

incorporated the steam sauna with the medical-grade ozone generator

years earlier (meaning prior to October 2006), i would have been

better YEARS ago.

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> ,

>

> I hope you don't mind my asking these two questions.

>

> How much of your recovery would you attribute to

>

> (1.) getting out of whatever moldy environment made you ill and further

> avoidance of mold?

> (2.) time's healing power? (now that it has been six years)

>

>

>

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I wonder if there is any difference between the 'oxidizing' effect you

feel you had with ozone generator and hyperbaric oxygen treatment? I

have done some hyerbaric sessions and they make me feel GREAT, but

that doesn't mean they will 'cure' me and I have not put out the money

to do enough of them to actually say I have done 'hyerbaric

treatment', which is usually a number of sessions at a certain

frequency or interval.

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>the

> medical-grade ozone generator's purpose is to oxidize any stored

> toxins in the body...and any areas that do not have toxins will not

> have any rashes or pustules.

>

>

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Barb,

Hyperbaric oxygen treatments are a well documented, medically sound, if

expensive, way

of accellerating wound healing of all kinds.

OTOH, I am pretty sure sure that if 'medical grade' *ozone generators*

exist, they are for disinfecting hospital rooms,

while patients are *not* in them.

That is to say that ozone generators aren't healthy.

Ozone damages your lungs.

One good therapy for aspergillosis I've heard about recently is nebulized

n-acetylcysteine.

That sounds pretty interesting, and useful for people with aspergillomas or

lung damage, or COPD from mold..

On 6/24/07, barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote:

>

> I wonder if there is any difference between the 'oxidizing' effect you

> feel you had with ozone generator and hyperbaric oxygen treatment? I

> have done some hyerbaric sessions and they make me feel GREAT, but

> that doesn't mean they will 'cure' me and I have not put out the money

> to do enough of them to actually say I have done 'hyerbaric

> treatment', which is usually a number of sessions at a certain

> frequency or interval.

>

>

> >

> >the

> > medical-grade ozone generator's purpose is to oxidize any stored

> > toxins in the body...and any areas that do not have toxins will not

> > have any rashes or pustules.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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If you click on this link, (or type it into your address bar and hit

your " enter " key):

http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/1859.html

You wll see that it is potentially FATAL (it may kill you), if you

use " vaginal insufflation " with an ozone generator, or any other kind

of blowing INTO the vagina. Be careful.

Joe

--- In , " xhannahx24 " <xhannahx24@...>

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i didn't start doing the steam sauna with the

> medical-grade ozone generator until October 2006. and even though i

> had done the other protocols with the ozone generator

> (funneling/cupping, vaginal insufflation, ear insufflation) for years,

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This is a good question.

I'd be also very interested to know if your sensitivity has

changed as well? For all of us moldies, the prospect of having to live

in constant fear of contamination is really unsettling (to put it

mildly).

If you now come across a mildly contaminated object, will it cause you

a reaction or you have become immune to some extent?

-Branislav

>

> ,

>

> Also, do you feel your sensitivity is gone? Were you ever

hypersensitive?

>

> Glenn

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Glenn, i'll just answer that by saying:

1) my family & friends say my personality (my old self) is back

2) i will be looking for employment soon (i stopped working a few

years ago)

>

>

> In a message dated 6/24/2007 2:06:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> xhannahx24@... writes:

>

> for well over a full year i used the FIR sauna, thinking with all my

> profuse sweating, i was releasing toxins. the best description i can

> give is that after each of my 70-minute session, i felt like i had

> just showered, that clean feeling.

>

> it was the combination of using the steam sauna with a medical-grade

> ozone generator which caused my body to release toxins---nasty-ozone g

> rashes & pimple-like pustules filled with clear/off-yellow fluid (my

> FIR sauna sessions never caused a release of anything but

> sweat/water)sweat/water)<WBR>. even using a modified stethoscope

with the

> ozone generator caused a continuous fluid to be released out of my

> ears & a couple of places on my scalp for weeks. with all the crud i

> had been through (hives, brain fog, memory loss, eye infections,

> mild-grade fever i had over 3+ years, etc), i really wasn't too

> surprised...surprised...<WBR>i was more surprised at how much of it kep

>

> if you use the steam sauna without the medical-grade ozone generator,

> you will not have the same effect as WITH the generator. the

> medical-grade ozone generator's purpose is to oxAnidize any stored

> toxins in the body...and any areas that do not have toxins will not

> have any rashes or pustules.

>

>

>

>

> ,

>

> Do you feel you're over this now?

>

>

> Glenn

>

>

>

> ************************************** See what's free at

http://www.aol.com.

>

>

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if you're referring to my sensitivity to mold, i'm not sure because i

have moved from NC to the west coast (where i grew up). i don't think

i could go back to living in a climate that's similar to NC.

as far as hypersensitivities...i had awful allergies, which meant i

had sneezing fits that would anywhere from 10 minutes to several

hours, itchy face, occasional respiratory distress, etc.

if you're asking me if my immune system is back to how it was BEFORE i

had been exposed to mold, likely not...but i can tell my body is so

much stronger compared to when i was living in the moldy residence

(2001) and even from just a year ago when i couldn't yet conceive of

working a job.

>

> ,

>

> Also, do you feel your sensitivity is gone? Were you ever

hypersensitive?

>

> Glenn

>

>

>

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let me start by saying that i've never had any hyperbaric oxygen

treatments...but here is what i think the main difference lies. while

the hyperbaric oxygen treatments infused oxygen into your body, hence

how you felt great....medical-grade ozone generator + steam sauna will

oxidize any stored toxins & release them through the skin AND infuse

oxygen into your body as well.

>

> I wonder if there is any difference between the 'oxidizing' effect you

> feel you had with ozone generator and hyperbaric oxygen treatment? I

> have done some hyerbaric sessions and they make me feel GREAT, but

> that doesn't mean they will 'cure' me and I have not put out the money

> to do enough of them to actually say I have done 'hyerbaric

> treatment', which is usually a number of sessions at a certain

> frequency or interval.

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It seems we need a reminder once again of the facts on ozone. Mainly that

ozone in any form is a hazard. There is no such thing as medical grade

ozone. Any salesman, or unfortunately sometimes even a doctor, who sells

ozone equipment with such a claim is telling a falsehood. Current EPA

guidelines specify 80 parts per billion (ppb) ozone in air is hazardous to

health, and there is consideration of lowering that to 70 ppb. It doesn't

matter if ozone is the result of natural reaction of air with lightening,

from smog, or from an ozone generator, even one using an oxygen tank instead

of air, the ozone end product is still damaging to the lungs, causing

inflammation and scarring: permanent damage.

Ozone may be safely used in a building when no one is there, but personal

use of ozone is an unsafe act. If you were told by a doctor to use ozone,

seek a more knowledgable doctor.

Gil

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Date: Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:05 pm ((PDT))

for well over a full year i used the FIR sauna, thinking with all my

profuse sweating, i was releasing toxins. the best description i can

give is that after each of my 70-minute session, i felt like i had

just showered, that clean feeling.

it was the combination of using the steam sauna with a medical-grade

ozone generator which caused my body to release toxins---nasty-looking

rashes & pimple-like pustules filled with clear/off-yellow fluid (my

FIR sauna sessions never caused a release of anything but

sweat/water). even using a modified stethoscope with the medical-grade

ozone generator caused a continuous fluid to be released out of my

ears & a couple of places on my scalp for weeks. with all the crud i

had been through (hives, brain fog, memory loss, eye infections,

mild-grade fever i had over 3+ years, etc), i really wasn't too

surprised...i was more surprised at how much of it kept coming out.

if you use the steam sauna without the medical-grade ozone generator,

you will not have the same effect as WITH the generator. the

medical-grade ozone generator's purpose is to oxidize any stored

toxins in the body...and any areas that do not have toxins will not

have any rashes or pustules.

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Just trying to figure out what you have experienced. I've been told

if I undergo hyperbaric treatment, I should supplement with

antioxidants to counter any oxidative stress, and of course hyperbaric

oxygen does infuse body with oxygen. I would think there is more

oxidative stress from ozone than from oxygen but just a guess. I

don't know much about ozone, except that which I hear about it

outdoors. Anyway, thanks for sharing. Glad you feel better. I've

heard such mixed things about ozone, I will probably not try it.

Sometimes there are many different ways to get to same place.

Pardon me for perhaps questioning your conclusions but what was the

timing of your move to CA and your feeling better. Have you

considered any effects that could be attributed to moving to CA, an

aird, less moldy climate.

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> let me start by saying that i've never had any hyperbaric oxygen

> treatments...but here is what i think the main difference lies.

while

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i want to make clear i am not some new member on this forum. i've

posted here back in 2004 & 2005. i've been on a steadfast quest to

recover. i had gone to medical doctors that were affiliated with the

#6 Best Hospital in the U.S. at the time (as ranked by U.S. Health &

World Report magazine)...and went to a local doctor whose name i found

in an article about mold...and another doctor who went to med school

at s Hopkins (s Hopkins Hospital is currently the #1 Best

Hospital in the U.S.), and Dr Shoemaker in land, etc.

doctors wouldn't or couldn't help me, so i had to figure out on my own

what would help me. at the time (2004 & 2005), i was sharing all my

experiences on this forum, including health supplements i was

currently taking or had taken, health modalities i had tried or were

trying, and traveling to an acupuncturist 2 states away on a regular

basis. i have spent my household savings & investments trying to

recover.

i added a steam sauna to my medical-grade ozone generator protocol

just last October (2006)....and i realized that was the key. i can

honestly say had i done it years ago, well, i would have been better

YEARS ago!!

for you to blatantly say ozone generators are unhealthy...then

theoretically, i should be in bad shape or even worse shape than when

i was continually being exposed to mold. well.....i am NOT in bad

shape, in fact i'm doing sooooooooooo much better! i even have the

dreaded genotype. i've made the distinction in any earlier posting

that i'm not using an ozone generator (like Ionic Breeze) for the

purpose of cleaning the air, it is a medical-grade ozone generator

that is connected to an oxygen tank. and when i do my sauna

treatments (with the medical-grade ozone generator), i do open the

window so that the steam and any smells are not trapped in the room.

i have to shake my head & wonder because this forum is supposed to be

about exchanging/sharing information for the sole purpose that we each

obtain the help we so direly need to overcome whatever biotoxins we've

been exposed to. i've recently posted what has worked for me, and it

is my belief that it would work for others as well. it is each

reader/member's prerogative to accept or disbelieve or even disregard

what i'm saying. when i run into skeptics like yourself who belong to

a forum like this (i think i can safely assume you or a loved one is

sick from biotoxins), i find it incredulous because it's as if you're

saying you want to stay sick, that you don't want your health to

improve. and if you're patiently waiting for science or the medical

establishment to come up with some kind of cure or relief...okay,

fine....be my guest, keep waiting. feeling miserable never really

interested me. i'm not even sure if you realize it but your attitude

towards my health modality is exactly how most of us on this forum

have been treated by medical doctors & /or government agencies, where

we're quickly dismissed and our illnesses are easily attributed to

some other " common " ailment (i've been diagnosed with eczema,

allergies, etc), and i recall reading that some of you have been

denied disability benefits. so here i am earnestly sharing what i

have done to recover, and to some degree, i'm being discredited.

this was an extremely difficult journey for me, but i can finally say

i'll be looking for employment soon...and more & more, my family &

friends say my outgoing personality is back. i'm merely waiting for

more hair to grow back on my scalp and for my fingernails to be as

strong as they once were. and perhaps most importantly, i'm no longer

feeling horrible everyday like i did for years. 'nuff said.

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> Barb,

>

> Hyperbaric oxygen treatments are a well documented, medically sound, if

> expensive, way

> of accellerating wound healing of all kinds.

>

> OTOH, I am pretty sure sure that if 'medical grade' *ozone generators*

> exist, they are for disinfecting hospital rooms,

> while patients are *not* in them.

>

> That is to say that ozone generators aren't healthy.

>

> Ozone damages your lungs.

>

> One good therapy for aspergillosis I've heard about recently is

nebulized

> n-acetylcysteine.

>

> That sounds pretty interesting, and useful for people with

aspergillomas or

> lung damage, or COPD from mold..

>

>

>

>

>

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I'd like to applaud for returning to share with *me* what has worked for

her - not that she knew my name before now - I'm just a 'new member' to her.

was very ill, she took some support from this site, she went into her own

cave to heal, and remarkably, she found a match to strike and lit a torch and

found her way back out much more whole than she went in, AND she came back to us

to share her story.

Given the number of questions on the list lately about whether or not we can

EVER recover, I'm VERY grateful to hear of one person's success in their journey

- as y'all probably get tired of seeing me indicate, my neighbor died of his

mold exposure, and that's a dire, constant reminder to me of how serious this

stuff is - and I know most of you have stark issues you're contending with as

well. I take 's comments for what they are - one person's testimony. The

rest of us can seek out our own information and professional advice to consider

whether what worked for her may or may not work for us. Adding cautions is

fully legitimate, but I'd ask that folks remember that she's likely still

fragile as the rest of us are about how personal our journey in the face of the

medical world being so resistent to acknowledging what we go through - you can

add information about the message without knocking the messenger. She's not

directing anyone to DO anything, she is simply

providing information about what worked FOR HER.

There are a great number of paradoxes in healing as we all know - SOME

mycotoxins are antibiotics, for instance, yes? So, I don't know much about the

chemistry and biology of ozone and whether there is a 'medical grade' of it, but

I'm intrigued by her story since some of what I've bumped into while reading

links I've had come up relate to some of what I'm contending with, and I'm gonna

seek out some more info.

Something worked for - she returned to tell us about it - we can sort out

the information in whatever way is appropriate for each of us.

Thank you, , for popping returning to attempt to give us courage and hope

and congratulations on your recovered and recovering health!

~Haley

xhannahx24 <xhannahx24@...> wrote:

i want to make clear i am not some new member on this forum. i've

posted here back in 2004 & 2005. i've been on a steadfast quest to

recover. i had gone to medical doctors that were affiliated with the

#6 Best Hospital in the U.S. at the time (as ranked by U.S. Health &

World Report magazine)...and went to a local doctor whose name i found

in an article about mold...and another doctor who went to med school

at s Hopkins (s Hopkins Hospital is currently the #1 Best

Hospital in the U.S.), and Dr Shoemaker in land, etc.

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Me too . Appreciate you sharing.

>

> I'd like to applaud for returning to share with *me* what has

worked for her - not that she knew my name before now - I'm just

a 'new member' to her.

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i'm wondering if any of the following ozone generators is what came to

everyone's mind when i mentioned using a medical-grade ozone generator

for my recovery. please note that this is NOT the ozone generator i

am using:

http://www.peakpureair.com/ozone-generator-air-cleaners.htm

http://www.air-zone.com/models.html (1st row of photos)

http://www.lenntech.com/otozone.htm

the above links, though called ozone generators, are air

purifiers/cleaners. and i am well aware that the EPA frowns upon

ozone generators that are sold as air cleaners.

my steam sauna + medical-grade ozone generator set-up resembles this:

http://www.ozonelab.com/setups/steamsauna/index.htm

(my ozone generator looks similar to the OL100 unit)

so the equipments involved are:

1) oxygen tank & oxygen regulator

2) 2 tubes (1 connecting the oxygen regulator to the medical-grade

ozone generator, and the 2nd tube from the ozone generator to the

steam sauna)

3) medical-grade ozone generator

4) steam sauna

i hope this clarifies any misunderstanding.

>

>

> It seems we need a reminder once again of the facts on ozone.

Mainly that

> ozone in any form is a hazard. There is no such thing as medical grade

> ozone. Any salesman, or unfortunately sometimes even a doctor, who

sells

> ozone equipment with such a claim is telling a falsehood. Current EPA

> guidelines specify 80 parts per billion (ppb) ozone in air is

hazardous to

> health, and there is consideration of lowering that to 70 ppb. It

doesn't

> matter if ozone is the result of natural reaction of air with

lightening,

> from smog, or from an ozone generator, even one using an oxygen tank

instead

> of air, the ozone end product is still damaging to the lungs, causing

> inflammation and scarring: permanent damage.

> Ozone may be safely used in a building when no one is there, but

personal

> use of ozone is an unsafe act. If you were told by a doctor to use

ozone,

> seek a more knowledgable doctor.

>

> Gil

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i moved to california in early 2006. and because i had a " break " in

most of my health modalities for a good 6 months due to various

reasons (including preparation of my move & actual relocation), it

wasn't until August 2006 that i felt i was out of the woods from

relapsing. the key reason why i am feeling better is detoxing with the

steam sauna + medical-grade ozone generator (again, my ozone generator

is *NOT* an air purifier/cleaner...mine has 2 ports where 2 tubes can

be connected, of which one is an oxygen tank).

i have given this considerable thought...while i had taken top-notch

health supplements (with the help of the acupuncturist in Georgia)

back in 2005, and had already eliminated a significant % of my awful

symptoms........it really wasn't until i started doing a full-body

approach in detoxifying my body from the toxins (October 2006) that i

felt a profound difference in my overall well-being.

>

> Just trying to figure out what you have experienced. I've been told

> if I undergo hyperbaric treatment, I should supplement with

> antioxidants to counter any oxidative stress, and of course hyperbaric

> oxygen does infuse body with oxygen. I would think there is more

> oxidative stress from ozone than from oxygen but just a guess. I

> don't know much about ozone, except that which I hear about it

> outdoors. Anyway, thanks for sharing. Glad you feel better. I've

> heard such mixed things about ozone, I will probably not try it.

> Sometimes there are many different ways to get to same place.

> Pardon me for perhaps questioning your conclusions but what was the

> timing of your move to CA and your feeling better. Have you

> considered any effects that could be attributed to moving to CA, an

> aird, less moldy climate.

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hi Joe, i guess i totally missed replying to this posting.

thank you for the warning, but i have done countless vaginal

insufflation now (i've been doing Ozone Therapy daily for months at a

time for YEARS now, but only recently added the steam sauna as another

protocol last October). the oxygen regulator is set at the lowest

setting - 1/32. if anything, i think vaginal insufflation helps with

any gynecological issues as well.

>

>

> If you click on this link, (or type it into your address bar and hit

> your " enter " key):

>

> http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/1859.html

>

> You wll see that it is potentially FATAL (it may kill you), if you

> use " vaginal insufflation " with an ozone generator, or any other kind

> of blowing INTO the vagina. Be careful.

>

>

> Joe

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,

I am of the same mind--that there must be something(s) that will help

me heal from the mold exposure. But, I feel overwhelmed when I choose

to add a new supplement! May I ask how you discovered these three

treatments that you have used?

Thanks,

>

> I've posted here on this forum back in 2004 & 2005. I was determined

> to find anything & everything that would help me fully recover from my

> mold exposure...and I tried various modalities and a whole slew of

> health supplements. . . .

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