Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 In a message dated 5/20/2007 9:36:11 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jeaninem660@... writes: Does this mean their reconizeing it as a real illness?--- NO!!!!!! It means the influence of industry is playing a key part in confusing the science. ACOEM is bad news from a variety of aspects when it comes to illness caused by environmental exposures. The conflicts of interest over this matter is so massive and so perverse, it is difficult to even document it all. THIS UNHOLY UNION IS A PRIMARY REASON WHY THE DOCTORS " JUST DON'T SEEM TO GET IT " . Apparently it does take a rocket scientist to understand that symptoms known to be indicative of toxicity are caused by exposures to toxins. Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Does this mean their reconizeing it as a real illness? > > _http://www.osha.gov/dcsp/alliances/acoem/acoem.html_ (http://ww > w.osha.gov/dcsp/alliances/acoem/acoem.html) > > " Through the Alliance, OSHA and ACOEM will use their collective expertise to > help advance a culture of prevention while sharing best practices and > technical knowledge to promote safe and healthful working conditions for workers, > especially in the area of reducing and preventing exposure to ergonomic > hazards. " > > " Multiple Chemical Sensitivities (MCS) is a highly controversial issue. In > theory, MCS is an adverse physical reaction to low levels of many common > chemicals....Proposed theories to explain the cause of MCS include allergy, > dysfunction of the immune system, neurobiological sensitization, and various > psychological theories. " > > Hmmmmm? > > Sharon > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 anything to keep from admitting that peoples brains are getting turned to mush by toxins. I guess I was raised really nieve cause I thought medical science was about the people, for the people. land of oppertunities? sure, you can get a job here, may be the one nobody else wants, may mean your going to have your brain turned to mush but hay,isn't the $6 or $7 bucks a hour worth it? I mean gee, it will by you 1 gallon of gas and a loaf of bread and a bottle of what your are told is good water. sorry, but I'm just not felling the " proud to be american " anymore. how can you be pround when a illness that you have is ignored for the sake of money. there is a devil and his name is greed. > > > In a message dated 5/20/2007 9:36:11 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > jeaninem660@... writes: > > Does this mean their reconizeing it as a real illness?--- > > > > NO!!!!!! It means the influence of industry is playing a key part in > confusing the science. ACOEM is bad news from a variety of aspects when it comes > to illness caused by environmental exposures. > > The conflicts of interest over this matter is so massive and so perverse, it > is difficult to even document it all. > > THIS UNHOLY UNION IS A PRIMARY REASON WHY THE DOCTORS " JUST DON'T SEEM TO > GET IT " . > > Apparently it does take a rocket scientist to understand that symptoms known > to be indicative of toxicity are caused by exposures to toxins. > > Sharon > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 What it means is that todays ACOEM and today's OSHA have a shared mission: to prevent the recognition of the causes of MCS or its existence by means of their combined efforts at disinformation and obfuscation. They recognize that many people trust them and they resolve to exploit that trust to their greatest ability while ensuring that more years pass and profits are maintained without any changes in policy due to the need for workplace safety. This is what industry paid for and this is what they intend to get from Washington and the healthcare industry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 The thinking goes that people can quit a job if they want. Nobody is telling them they have to stay. Also, if they get sick, and can no longer work or think as fast as they used to the employer has the right to fire them. Its a free country. >anything to keep from admitting that peoples brains are getting turned to mush by toxins. I guess I was raised really nieve cause I thought medical science was about the people, for the people. land of oppertunities? Medical science is these days all about making money. Just like any other business. >sure, you can get a job here, may be the one nobody else wants, may mean your going to have your brain turned to mush but hay,isn't the $6 or $7 bucks a hour worth it? Supply and demand is what determines wages, and typically, people often end up working for the minimum that can keep them housed and fed. Whatever extra money they make is kept by the employer or their shareholders. That is THEIR reward 'for taking the risks'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 In a message dated 5/21/2007 4:22:23 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, quackadillian@... writes: What it means is that todays ACOEM and today's OSHA have a shared mission: to prevent the recognition of the causes of MCS or its existence by means of their combined efforts at disinformation and obfuscation. They recognize that many people trust them and they resolve to exploit that trust to their greatest ability while ensuring that more years pass and profits are maintained without any changes in policy due to the need for workplace safety. This is what industry paid for and this is what they intend to get from Washington and the healthcare industry What it means is that industry has once again had undue and improper influence while promoting false, GOVERNMENT FUNDED endeavors that were meant to protect US Citizens....and that is a big NO NO. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Sure it's a free country Live, and our goverment is free to cut,cut,cut, aid to the poor and disability coverage, ect. and free to invest millions into another country. we are all free to get those great paying,low risk jobs if we can pay for collage needed to get them. we are all free to take a highrisk job were the wages are good but risks to health are higher, no collage needed, and we are all free to work at a drive through and deside which bill we must make a payment on. and if you think working somewhere where theres cooking fumes all day is safe, think again. if you think working in a department store, breathing fumes gased off from chemicals used in plastics and cloths, guess again. MCS is caused by chemicals and toxins and while it's being ignored people are getting sick. shouldn't we be free to deside, knowing the danger, if we wan't to risk our health over any job. --- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: > > The thinking goes that people can quit a job if they want. Nobody is > telling them they have to stay. > > Also, if they get sick, and can no longer work or think as fast as > they used to the employer has the right to fire them. > > Its a free country. > > > >anything to keep from admitting that peoples brains are getting > turned to mush by toxins. I guess I was raised really nieve cause I > thought medical science was about the people, for the people. land of > oppertunities? > > Medical science is these days all about making money. Just like any > other business. > > >sure, you can get a job here, may be the one nobody > else wants, may mean your going to have your brain turned to mush but > hay,isn't the $6 or $7 bucks a hour worth it? > > Supply and demand is what determines wages, and typically, people > often end up working > for the minimum that can keep them housed and fed. Whatever extra > money they make is kept by the employer or their shareholders. > > That is THEIR reward 'for taking the risks'. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Jeanine, I was being sarcastic.. I'm sorry if you didn't understand that. maybe I didn't make it clear enough. Its interesting to read about the history of this legal issue, which is all found by looking up the word Lochner as in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lochner_v._New_York Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Jeanine, you totally misunderstood what I was getting at. I'm sorry if I wasn't clearer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Jeanine, That's what science should be about, especially government funded like national institute of health, etc, but like everything else money has worked it's way into all these institutions. That's what governments role is supposed to be, to protect the many from the powerful, be they from overseas or on our own shores, but we are very far away from that and noone seems to notice...too busy shopping here, don't pay attention to politics, news, etc. America I think is riding on it's good past reputation. > > anything to keep from admitting that peoples brains are getting > turned to mush by toxins. I guess I was raised really nieve cause I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 no problem Live. > > Jeanine, you totally misunderstood what I was getting at. I'm sorry if > I wasn't clearer. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Barb, This is a common misunderstanding of the American legal system. However, unfortunately, nothing like this has been written into law. It really should be. In fact, many seem to be arguing that the function of the law is to do the opposite, to protect the sacred property rights of the few from the self perceived 'tyranny' of the many. And unfortunately there IS a lot of law that does just that, starting with the Electoral College which elects Presidents, sometimes disregarding the 'dangerous' popular vote. It would be good to write some rights like this into the Constitution, I think. Before its too late. Starting with a right TO vote, and not just a right to be treated equally. I think our biggest legal mistake was the obscure 1886 decision in case law to give corporations the same rights as people. This was never debated in any legislature. How could it have been forced on us? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_County_v._Southern_Pacific_Railroad On 5/21/07, barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote: > > Jeanine, That's what science should be about, especially government > funded like national institute of health, etc, but like everything > else money has worked it's way into all these institutions. That's > what governments role is supposed to be, to protect the many from the > powerful, be they from overseas or on our own shores, but we are very > far away from that and noone seems to notice...too busy shopping here, > don't pay attention to politics, news, etc. America I think is > riding on it's good past reputation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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