Re: question re: types of mold - trying to get repairs done & symptoms

[Guest guest]

Hi Donnielle, some times you have to just worry about yourself and if

they will let you out of the lease it may be the best thing to do. I

wouldn't reley on remediation done by a landlord, and even if done by

professionals theres no garrentee it will no longer bother you and if

other areas of building still have mold problems that aren't dealt

with chances are that it may come back. just my thoughts. but I would

get things in writeing what ever you deside.

sometimes,it's just not realized how much it hurt you until you are

away from it for awhile.

and getting away sooner may save you from ending up alot sicker.

sorry, probably not what you want to hear but it has really left my

life and health in a mess and if I would have had a clue before I got

this ill I would have moved asap.

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi, I recently moved into a new place and second time having severe

allergies - found

> out a few days ago only other area reasidencce had some mold

related violations in a

> health inspection - have not resided there for a few years - to

new issue and why

> joined group -

>

> I am studying to be an acpuncturist so able to maintain / treat

most symptoms with

> herbs / regular appts etc..... as is how got rid of junk a few

years ago when moved

> out of place - and had been on a lot of western meds not knowing

what source of

> allergy was until being tested so leads to one concern is have been

finding harder to

> concentrate on school / tests since moving and uncertain if

related or from being

> distracted dealing with landlord stuff.

>

> I had testing done by a certified inspector and submitted results

to landlord with a

> legal form asking for remidiation. The initial concern was over

the bathroom floor

> coming up dry rot underneath and spreading hole in wall. took

photos, were patched

> over in a day and when returned even more symptoms. Tests came

back with

> suggestions on report and molds elevated from outdoor sample are:

Aspergillus /

> Penicillin like, Chaetomium, Basidiospores, Curvularia, and

Stachybotrys.

>

> Now here is where it gets tricky and uncertain - these were all

present in air sample

> as unable to get invasive sampling without breaking lease clause

and had patched

> over places could have been visible or obtained from subfllor or

wall before mold

> inspection. Also have vivible water damage in kitchen / bathroom

though kitchen

> tests positive but not for the toxic forms found in bathroom. Have

ait purifiers and

> am opening windows for fresh air etc... HOwever, next steo if not

cleaned is county

> health inspector - that is where confused since little visible mold

except some found

> in hardwood floor under couch and have the toxic ones documented in

air. How does

> one combine the info to present clearly?, and does anyone have

experience with

> having black mold remidiated by landlord ? I would prefer not to

move since just

> moved in and am in a hard to find decent place beach part of LA

near work / school.

> Also, they are offering to let me out of lease yet dont feel that

is right since dont feel

> it is right to rent to anyone with toxic stuff - as seems that is

what allergic too.

> Please let me know any experience with place actually getting

repaired proper;y and

> fixed as really would rather have it fixed and pursue that route

over moving though

> feel a bit pressured to move and break lease by owners verbally.

>

> Thanks,

>

Donnielle,

You are already highly affected by the mycotoxins from the mold.

The longer you stay there the more mold fungi and their mycotoxins

you will have accumulate in your body. You can get an attorney to

help you with any reimbursement of moving expenses possibly. But,

your health is the most important thing. Reporting it to the building

inspectors will document it for others and hopefully get it fixed for

others in the future. If they remediate it with you in there you will

get a very big dose of mold and their mycotoxins into your body. Also

they are now in all of your possessions. They need to be sterilized

or disposed of. You need an attorney. You do not need to take all

those spores with you to the next residence. It is very difficult to

get the mold and the mycotoxins out of your body.Dan

[Guest guest]

Donnielle,

As someone, I think Sharon, previously advised, accept the release

from your lease and move on. The house is already in bad shape and

you don't want to take on those pre-existing problems. If you get out

you don't have to prove anything. If you stay you will have to prove

the impossible.

The water damage and other clues are more accurate and definitive

than any testing - see previous posts today about the problems with

mold (spore) testing. Finally, you mentioned a difference between

toxic and non-toxic molds. That distinction is not real. Most molds

can be toxic under certain conditions and the more toxic ones aren't

always.

The best experts don't have the answers so I strongly recommend you

not take on the problem by staying. Sharon's suggestion of a

registered or certified letter is excellent.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

> Hi, I recently moved into a new place and second time having severe allergies

- found

> out a few days ago only other area reasidencce had some mold related

violations in a

> health inspection - have not resided there for a few years - to new issue

and why

> joined group -

>

> I am studying to be an acpuncturist so able to maintain / treat most symptoms

with

> herbs / regular appts etc..... as is how got rid of junk a few years ago when

moved

> out of place - and had been on a lot of western meds not knowing what source

of

> allergy was until being tested so leads to one concern is have been finding

harder to

> concentrate on school / tests since moving and uncertain if related or from

being

> distracted dealing with landlord stuff.

>

> I had testing done by a certified inspector and submitted results to landlord

with a

> legal form asking for remidiation. The initial concern was over the bathroom

floor

> coming up dry rot underneath and spreading hole in wall. took photos, were

patched

> over in a day and when returned even more symptoms. Tests came back with

> suggestions on report and molds elevated from outdoor sample are: Aspergillus

/

> Penicillin like, Chaetomium, Basidiospores, Curvularia, and Stachybotrys.

>

> Now here is where it gets tricky and uncertain - these were all present in air

sample

> as unable to get invasive sampling without breaking lease clause and had

patched

> over places could have been visible or obtained from subfllor or wall before

mold

> inspection. Also have vivible water damage in kitchen / bathroom though

kitchen

> tests positive but not for the toxic forms found in bathroom. Have ait

purifiers and

> am opening windows for fresh air etc... HOwever, next steo if not cleaned is

county

> health inspector - that is where confused since little visible mold except

some found

> in hardwood floor under couch and have the toxic ones documented in air. How

does

> one combine the info to present clearly?, and does anyone have experience with

> having black mold remidiated by landlord ? I would prefer not to move since

just

> moved in and am in a hard to find decent place beach part of LA near work /

school.

> Also, they are offering to let me out of lease yet dont feel that is right

since dont feel

> it is right to rent to anyone with toxic stuff - as seems that is what

allergic too.

> Please let me know any experience with place actually getting repaired

proper;y and

> fixed as really would rather have it fixed and pursue that route over moving

though

> feel a bit pressured to move and break lease by owners verbally.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In case you've missed the advice the first several times it's been offered:

MOVE.

They are letting you out of the lease: Say thank you and smile. Moving's a

bitch, but as many of us have found, repeat or chronic exposure for people with

sensitivities can turn medical annoyances into very serious nightmares.

Just my 2 cents...

~Haley

" Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> wrote:

Donnielle,

As someone, I think Sharon, previously advised, accept the release

from your lease and move on. The house is already in bad shape and

you don't want to take on those pre-existing problems. If you get out

you don't have to prove anything. If you stay you will have to prove

the impossible.

The water damage and other clues are more accurate and definitive

than any testing - see previous posts today about the problems with

mold (spore) testing. Finally, you mentioned a difference between

toxic and non-toxic molds. That distinction is not real. Most molds

can be toxic under certain conditions and the more toxic ones aren't

always.

The best experts don't have the answers so I strongly recommend you

not take on the problem by staying. Sharon's suggestion of a

registered or certified letter is excellent.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

> Hi, I recently moved into a new place and second time having severe allergies

- found

> out a few days ago only other area reasidencce had some mold related

violations in a

> health inspection - have not resided there for a few years - to new issue

and why

> joined group -

>

> I am studying to be an acpuncturist so able to maintain / treat most

symptoms with

> herbs / regular appts etc..... as is how got rid of junk a few years ago

when moved

> out of place - and had been on a lot of western meds not knowing what source

of

> allergy was until being tested so leads to one concern is have been finding

harder to

> concentrate on school / tests since moving and uncertain if related or from

being

> distracted dealing with landlord stuff.

>

> I had testing done by a certified inspector and submitted results to landlord

with a

> legal form asking for remidiation. The initial concern was over the bathroom

floor

> coming up dry rot underneath and spreading hole in wall. took photos, were

patched

> over in a day and when returned even more symptoms. Tests came back with

> suggestions on report and molds elevated from outdoor sample are: Aspergillus

/

> Penicillin like, Chaetomium, Basidiospores, Curvularia, and Stachybotrys.

>

> Now here is where it gets tricky and uncertain - these were all present in

air sample

> as unable to get invasive sampling without breaking lease clause and had

patched

> over places could have been visible or obtained from subfllor or wall before

mold

> inspection. Also have vivible water damage in kitchen / bathroom though

kitchen

> tests positive but not for the toxic forms found in bathroom. Have ait

purifiers and

> am opening windows for fresh air etc... HOwever, next steo if not cleaned is

county

> health inspector - that is where confused since little visible mold except

some found

> in hardwood floor under couch and have the toxic ones documented in air. How

does

> one combine the info to present clearly?, and does anyone have experience

with

> having black mold remidiated by landlord ? I would prefer not to move since

just

> moved in and am in a hard to find decent place beach part of LA near work /

school.

> Also, they are offering to let me out of lease yet dont feel that is right

since dont feel

> it is right to rent to anyone with toxic stuff - as seems that is what

allergic too.

> Please let me know any experience with place actually getting repaired

proper;y and

> fixed as really would rather have it fixed and pursue that route over moving

though

> feel a bit pressured to move and break lease by owners verbally.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It is extremely hard if not impossible to get adequate help for your

problem apartment for reasons much too lengthy to go into here but if

you can get out of lease, you are very lucky to be able to leave. Get

advice here about what to look for in new place so you don't move into

another mold pit. Poor indoor air quality is more common than not and

probably at the root of your allergies.

>

> Hi, I recently moved into a new place and second time having severe

allergies - found

> out a few days ago only other area reasidencce had some mold related

violations in a