Re: Suggestions for mycotoxin-proof bed and bedding?

[Guest guest]

http://www.ecowise.com/

The bedding here is inexpensive and only made up once an order comes in.

I hav e the shredded fiber as my bed and i love it. it feels like

stringy pulll apart fiberfill or wool... but its actually offgassed old

plastic bottles which are very fine. Moisture proof. When i was first

ill, all i had was a metal frme and this bed in a room

Branislav wrote:

> What is the best choice for beds and bedding if they are going to be

> exposed to stachy mycotoxins? I'm thiking about something temporary,

> not expensive.

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[Guest guest]

Branislav, I didn't bring any of my furniture to temporary apt as was

suggested to me so didn't want to buy much since I may move again

before going home and don't need it at home either, so I bought an

airbed. I bought what's called a " high loft airbed " which means it is

about normal height off the floor. It is wonderfully comfortable and

came with a built in pump that when you plug it into wall, it blows

itself up. I like it better than my beds at home. It's like sleeping

on a huge marshmellow. The more air you pump into it, the firmer it

is so in a way it is like a 'poor man's Sleep Number Bed' which costs

over a thousand dollars here. It cost me $60 at Walmart here, but I

have seen them many places. Being off the floor is nice if you are

going to be sleeping on it for awhile. You can put a mattress pad

over it so your sheets are right over rubber. I put only a standard

mattress pad on it and it is very comfortable.

I don't think anything is good to be exposed to stachy, but at that

price you can throw away after you are done with it. Keep it covered

when you are not sleeping in it if you don't want it

contaminated..could even throw a plastic bag/sheet over it. However

don't sleep anywhere there maybe stachy is better plan!!!!

>

> What is the best choice for beds and bedding if they are going to be

> exposed to stachy mycotoxins? I'm thiking about something temporary,

> not expensive.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks both Barb and for suggestions.

Barb, I'm not buying this for a new appartment. I would never bring

anything like this to a new house. I'm trying to 'remediate' the

existing flat because this is all due to cross-contamination. It is

absolutely amazing how little of the toxin goes a long way - from what

little toxin was able to attach itself to my shoes and trousers, I

managed to contaminate:

- three wooden tables

- the bed I used to sleep in (it's emitting toxins like a nuclear

powerplant now)

- all carpets (to some degree)

- lots of porcelain dishes (amazing how they absorb these toxins,

though you wouldn't think they'd be able to do that)

- many personal documents are beyond any hope now

- almost all clothes

- ... and who knows what else.

Since the flat itself is not the source of mold (I'm absolutely sure

of this, there's no hidden mold anywhere), and since the contamination

from the nearby building seems to be ebbing away or disappearing

(cheched it twice since the time it happened), I think my attempts to

'remediate' this flat aren't that foolish?

I think I'll buy something you proposed here - I'll have to act fast

because the current bed is a biohazard, potentially endangering the

entire room and flat, so it has to be removed ASAP.

Nobody understands this, everyone thinks I'm nuts. They all think I'm

on a crusade against the old furniture! lol Imagine that! People are

rude and are constantly YELLING at me, as if I'm doing this for fun!

Spoke to the leading toxicologist here, seems to me he has never heard

of toxic molds, not in the buildings anyway... oh well I never really

counted on them.

>

> Branislav, I didn't bring any of my furniture to temporary apt as was

> suggested to me so didn't want to buy much since I may move again

> before going home and don't need it at home either, so I bought an

> airbed. I bought what's called a " high loft airbed " which means it is

> about normal height off the floor.

[Guest guest]

Branis,

I bought a full size one. I'm not sure if that was important to the

comfort but may since the edges of air beds are a bit stiff, so I'd

recommend the full size air bed and some sort of padded mattress top

for it.

A toxicologist who has never heard of toxic mold...geez, does it get

any more comical than that!

>

> I think I'll buy something you proposed here - I'll have to act fast

> because the current bed is a biohazard, potentially endangering the

> entire room and flat, so it has to be removed ASAP.

>

[Guest guest]

Barb,

I'm trying to find beds similar to what you described here in my

country, but so far no luck. Only this 'couch' seems like it:

http://www.gr-teleshop.co.yu/proizvodi/Air-Bed-Multi/9 (about $100)

Others are more like air mattresses, even though they are called " air

beds " .

http://www.teleshop024.com/index.php?productID=189 (about $100)

http://www.svezakucu.co.yu/www/singleitem_buy.php?id=2564 ($50)

http://www.e-topshop.tv/index.asp?tn=productview & c=1570 & pid=11018 (

However, the height of the first two is only about 20 inches from the

floor, and the last one's height is only 5 inches.

And yes, it disheartening that a toxicologist doesn't know about the

toxic mold in indoor spaces. I could bet that, when they were learning

about sick buildings and IAQ, they were given a sanitized and crippled

version of what sick buildings are (tobacco smoke, poor ventilation

etc.), without mentioning toxic molds.

>

> Branislav, I didn't bring any of my furniture to temporary apt as was

> suggested to me so didn't want to buy much since I may move again

> before going home and don't need it at home either, so I bought an

> airbed. I bought what's called a " high loft airbed " which means it is

> about normal height off the floor.

[Guest guest]

Or perhaps I should buy one of these mattresses:

http://www.elastoflex.co.yu/duseci.html

and one of these frames:

http://www.elastoflex.co.yu/podloge.html

They mattresses on the left side are made of latex, and all of them

have some kind of slipcover that can be washed in washing machine. The

downside is that all these slipcovers are made of natural fibers

(cotton, woodpulp etc.). Don't know if I can find plastic encasing

here quickly. Also the frames have wooden elements, which isn't quite

good.

I'd be perfectly happy with an airbed but much depends on the type of

synthetics they are made of. I know for a fact that some types of

plastic can absorb mycotoxins.

>

> Branis,

> I bought a full size one. I'm not sure if that was important to the

[Guest guest]

For those of you that have an air mattress how long did it take before the

offgassing stopped?

In a message dated 6/6/2007 5:51:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

arealis@... writes:

Or perhaps I should buy one of these mattresses:

_http://www.elastoflhttp://wwhttp://www._

(http://www.elastoflex.co.yu/duseci.html)

and one of these frames:

_http://www.elastoflhttp://wwhttp://www.e_

(http://www.elastoflex.co.yu/podloge.html)

They mattresses on the left side are made of latex, and all of them

have some kind of slipcover that can be washed in washing machine. The

downside is that all these slipcovers are made of natural fibers

(cotton, woodpulp etc.). Don't know if I can find plastic encasing

here quickly. Also the frames have wooden elements, which isn't quite

good.

I'd be perfectly happy with an airbed but much depends on the type of

synthetics they are made of. I know for a fact that some types of

plastic can absorb mycotoxins.

>

> Branis,

> I bought a full size one. I'm not sure if that was important to the

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[Guest guest]

Barb,

Thanks for the heads up on the " high loft air beds. " Are the beds from this

link similar to yours? _www.Airbeds4Less.com_ (http://www.airbeds4less.com/)

Has anyone tried the " raised air beds " from Intex? These look good and

are inexpensive.

My concern is with my ability to tolerate the chemicals in these air beds.

I wonder if some brands are better than others for the amount of offgassing.

In a message dated 6/6/2007 5:49:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

arealis@... writes:

Barb,

I'm trying to find beds similar to what you described here in my

country, but so far no luck. Only this 'couch' seems like it:

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[Guest guest]

Branis,

Look at camping supply stores. 20 inches is a high loft bed. That

is how high mine is.

The plastic they are made of is VERY stinky when you first get them

out of box!!! However they do off gas thoroughly. I put it in a

separate room with fan in room sucking air out of room to outside.

It took about a week to 10 days.

Here are some:

http://www.bizrate.com/camping_hikinggear/products__att259818--

007027-049926__keyword--air+mattress.html

http://tinyurl.com/28l964

http://mall.saleablegoods.com/tov/18229_ozark-trail-queen-sized.html

http://mall.saleablegoods.com/

tov874_ozark-trail-elevated-air-bed.html

> >

> > Branislav, I didn't bring any of my furniture to temporary apt

as was

> > suggested to me so didn't want to buy much since I may move again

> > before going home and don't need it at home either, so I bought

an

> > airbed. I bought what's called a " high loft airbed " which means

it is

> > about normal height off the floor.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, plastics will absorb mycos. I was just thinking you could throw

out. I know that isn't politically correct right now to put plastics

in landfills. If you want to be able to clean it, buy a metal frame

with springs and then a mattress like you are looking at encased in

plastic zipper with cotten mattress pad over it that you can wash in

hot water. However metal bedframes with flat springs are not that

comfortable. In a sporting goods store you can buy a cot and can wash

that. If it has wood frame, you could paint it to make frame less

poroused and you can take canvas off to wash...I guess. I can't think

of anything SOFT that isn't susceptible to mycotoxins.

>

> Or perhaps I should buy one of these mattresses:

>

>

[Guest guest]

I thought Branis asked this and answered there. I thought 7-10 but

maybe it took two weeks. They do have a very strong smell when you

first take them out and blow them up.

>

>

> For those of you that have an air mattress how long did it take

before the

> offgassing stopped?

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've got one that is first listed by Home Trends.

I don't see why two low rise ones that you stack on top of each

other wouldn't work also, then you have a spare bed in an

emergency.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=133174

--- In , " Branislav " <arealis@...>

wrote:

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> Barb,

>

> I'm trying to find beds similar to what you described here in my

> country, but so far no luck. Only this 'couch' seems like it:

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, these are similar to mine.

Walmart had a high loft bed from Beautyrest and that really

had a worse smell than the Walmart brand one. Their brand was Home

Trends. Also mine has a velour top and sides and that is nice since

it prevents your sheets from slipping around.

Get the ones with the top part that looks separate, looks like two

airbeds, one on top of the other. Those you may be able to use

fitted sheets on with if you get the fitted sheets with more

generous pockets for thicker mattresses. Mine doesn't have that and

I just have to put the sheets on top and doesn't have as nice a look

since I cannot make it like a bed. My sheet and blanket just ly on

top of bed but still comfortable and sheets stay in place, just

doesn't look as nice as a 'made bed'.

>>

> Thanks for the heads up on the " high loft air beds. " Are the

beds from this

> link similar to yours? _www.Airbeds4Less.com_

(http://www.airbeds4less.com/)

>

[Guest guest]

I should add that my bed is in a room with an Austin air cleaner now

that has 15 pounds of activated charcoal. So the fact it doesn't

smell could be affected by that. There is no way for me to know

that. If I put my nose up to it, there is no odor at all. I have

had it for six months now but I started to use it after I had it

about a week. The I had I took back because the sides

blugged out too much, no velour top which I like and smell was

worse, but I'm sure it would have off gassed completely eventually.

The odor must be right on the surface, since there is only

air " underneath " that plastic.

Someone else in group also has high loft air bed but not sure if

they are reading posts right now. I think perhaps Dean. You

could search archives for old posts about air beds.

>>

> Thanks for the heads up on the " high loft air beds. " Are the

beds from this

> link similar to yours? _www.Airbeds4Less.com_

(http://www.airbeds4less.com/)

>

[Guest guest]

Put this message number in message archive search box, 46834. That is

a post by Dean regarding air bed she bought.

>> Has anyone tried the " raised air beds " from Intex? These look

good and

> are inexpensive.

>

[Guest guest]

This is kind of high end air beds from Linens & Things. I saw them in

their store. They have a suede or velour all the way around and

bedskirt makes it look like a real bed. I don't know if you can take

bedskirt off for washing though:

http://www.lnt.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=1895921 & cp=1331605

The other thing is a couple in your link below had a blow up

headrest. Mine does have that, but that would be very nice feature as

the rounded ends of bed do leave a gap against the wall that pillow

can fall down into. To get around it, I bought a couple of " tootsie

roll pop " toss pillows to line up in that crevice but the headrest

would be nice, but THEN you won't be able to use fitted sheets so it

would be a trade off.

>

Thanks for the heads up on the " high loft air beds. " Are the beds

from this

> link similar to yours? _www.Airbeds4Less.com_

(http://www.airbeds4less.com/)

> Has anyone tried the " raised air beds " from Intex? These look

good and

> are inexpensive.

>

[Guest guest]

That's what I'm afraid of. So inflatable airbed is basically doomed to

become contaminated. Maybe I'm trying to reconcile two very different

things - to buy something that can be used for a longer time AND

won't become contaminated with mycos.

I searched the archives and came across this message:

/message/35104

" The closed cell Therm-a-rest backpacking pads available at any

mountaineering store, wash easily and are supposed to be CFC free.

That's the best sleeping system I've found. "

Judging from the pics from the Internet, this Therm-a-rest backpacking

pads material looks very similar to ordinary air beds. Or is that some

special, better sort of synthetic material? Hard to tell only by

looking at the pics.

I think I will opt for a completely metal bedframe and put a mattress

over it... but the latex mattress I saw today doesn't inspire

confidence at all as far as mycotoxins are concerned. It resembles a

sort of hard sponge on the touch. But I can enclose it in a plastic

covering...

> >

> > Or perhaps I should buy one of these mattresses:

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Let us know how you like it if you get one.

>

>> " The closed cell Therm-a-rest backpacking pads available at any

> mountaineering store, wash easily and are supposed to be CFC free.

> That's the best sleeping system I've found. "

>

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