Re: Moved to new house and feel much better.

[Guest guest]

Hi , Glad you have found some place. Summer is a good time to

look for a place, since if it is going to be moldy, it show up more in

the heat and humidity so it is a good sign it is working out during

this hot, humid time of year.

>

> I recently moved out of my truck camper in NC and to Tallahassee.

Niether the camper or NC was working for me and got a lot of my

health back since the move. I would say 50%

[Guest guest]

Hi Barb,

I'm glad I found a place too, wish it didn't take me ten years to do it

but glad none the less. I don't know how much more I could of taken.

Now I have a new baseline that I know can be achieved and this gives

me considerable insight into when I should cut my loses and run and

when I should stay.

That's a good point about the heat and humidity. I am sure if their

were mold in the house somewhere (like inside the walls) my symptoms

would likely be more profound when their is lots of heat and humidity

which usually increase plant growth and activity. The house I am in is

air conditioned of course. Something I never thought I would be able to

tolerate again. The irony is that this is just what we moldies need is

an environment that is closed and controlled. If your house has no mold

and you close it you actually are limiting your exposure from the

ambient mold that is in outdoor air. Thus in theory reducing your

symptoms. But of course this can be extremely hazardous if your house

has mold in it.

[Guest guest]

That is great that you are feeling better and in a new place. This can

show others how moving can make a major change once you finally do the

move. Think all the time wasted in 10 years. I have moved many times

to find a safe place. I can remember the guy from the Health

Department telling me back when I got ill to keep the windows closed

but I was always better when I had outside air unless it is very very

hot. Enjoy your new place.

>

> Hi Barb,

> I'm glad I found a place too, wish it didn't take me ten years to do

it

> but glad none the less. I don't know how much more I could of

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I was interested in your remark on being in an air conditioned house. As I

read your note, I believe you are implying that you have had trouble with

air conditioning before. Correct me if I am wrong.

I to have problems with some air conditioners, after working in a building

with a very moldy air conditioner, the cause of my current health problem.

In some few select buildings I go into a continuous cough within seconds of

entering, followed by wheezing for several hours after leaving ( I am really

pretty healthy as long as I avoid these places). My wife and I recently

moved from Cincinnati Ohio to a small town in the Blue Ridge Mountains of

Virginia. The lower humidity and milder summer temperatures have helped my

breathing a lot. One problem however has been finding a church. It seems all

these smaller churches need to conserve money, and do so by running the AC

only on Sunday mornings, letting them warm to ambient temperature all week.

This creates ideal growing conditions for mold in the AC air handler, since

any water left in the drain pan can evaporate, leading to very high relative

humidity in the chamber, leading to a major spore release on Sunday morning.

There are solutions to this problem. One is to leave the fan run

continuously. This will keep relative humidity in the AC chamber the same as

in the living space, not elevated. If the AC is turned off, the fan can be

turned off 3-4 hours later, allowing enough time for the drain pan to dry

completely. A second recommended treatment is to clean the AC coils and

drain pan periodically with detergent solution, followed by rinsing with

dilute chlorine bleach. And last, slow release chlorine disinfectant tablets

can be placed in AC drain pans. Now, if I could just get a few churches to

try these suggestions and not consider me a nut, I could once again worship

in good health.

Gil

Re: Moved to new house and feel much better.

Posted by: " antares40_40 " antares41_41@... antares40_40

Date: Sun Jul 8, 2007 10:26 am ((PDT))

Hi Barb,

I'm glad I found a place too, wish it didn't take me ten years to do it but

glad none the less. I don't know how much more I could of taken. Now I have

a new baseline that I know can be achieved and this gives me considerable

insight into when I should cut my loses and run and when I should stay.

That's a good point about the heat and humidity. I am sure if their were

mold in the house somewhere (like inside the walls) my symptoms would likely

be more profound when their is lots of heat and humidity which usually

increase plant growth and activity. The house I am in is air conditioned of

course. Something I never thought I would be able to tolerate again. The

irony is that this is just what we moldies need is an environment that is

closed and controlled. If your house has no mold and you close it you

actually are limiting your exposure from the ambient mold that is in outdoor

air. Thus in theory reducing your symptoms. But of course this can be

extremely hazardous if your house has mold in it.

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[Guest guest]

A medical Dr, (allergist) tested me for allergy's and introduced me

to the concept. Anyone who knows my history knows most of my years

with this disease have been on pouches, in tents, underneath a

carport and in different houses, even in a sail boat. But almost

always with the windows open for fear of what it would do to me if I

shut them. And it was necessary in those places because they had

mold, and in order for the concept to work you can't have any mold.

I bought the brand new travel trailer in part because of the

allergist's recommendation of a closed environment. And now I know

this would of worked if the trailer didn't have any mold but it had a

lot of mold (even though it was brand new) and the spores propagated

in the air conditioner and compounded my problem many times. While I

was sick most the time with the windows open in that trailer I was

devastated when I ran the ac except for if I cleaned the coils and

allowed them to dry for a day. Don't know why this made such a big

difference but seemed every time I did this I could run it about 12

hours and be fine. I even went to the extent of alternating from the

factory ceiling unit to a wall unit I installed so I could let one

sit and dry whist the other was being used. But if I fired the same

one up two days in a row it would knock me on my but. (to sick to

even get out of bed) Or if I even cleaned it and than ran it which

doesn't make sense except for maybe the chlorine fumes didn't have

time to dissipate fully and compounded my already vulnerable

condition. When I had the trailer tested the agency that did the

test's said that problem was common in trailers just like mine (with

the mold defect) in that the air conditioners were growing mold in

them.

So what I have learned is air conditioners can be your life line or

they can kill you (figuratively) depending on the conditions that

they are running under.

--- In , " ldelp84227 " <ldelp84227@...>

wrote:

>

> That is great that you are feeling better and in a new place. This

can

> show others how moving can make a major change once you finally do

the

> move.

[Guest guest]

, good to hear your doing better.

a great example of how sometimes nothing works and you just have to

walk away from it all and start again.

>

> A medical Dr, (allergist) tested me for allergy's and introduced me

> to the concept. Anyone who knows my history knows most of my years

> with this disease have been on pouches, in tents, underneath a

> carport and in different houses, even in a sail boat. But almost

[Guest guest]

Hi Gil,

I just moved out of western NC which of course is in the blue ridge

mountains. I was in national forest and would not recommend it. I was

warned by some in this group but had to find out for myself. The

mountains have a lot of organic matter on the ground and it's all

being consumed by mold. So my thinking is this is why I did so

poorly. Could be that I was never completely able to sever my

connection from the house I was camping out next to also. The other

thing I didn't like was the elevation (3000') caused a lot of

collisions with clouds and you would have entire days in fog or just

cloudy out with little droplets so big that I swear I could see

floating in front of me. usually in Florida dew wouldn't form until

the morning but where I was at it would form shortly after the sun

went down. (during certain months during others there wouldn't be any

dew at all morning or night). My thinking if it's this moist out at

certain times of year what's it like inside of the attic and walls of

houses out there. I was actually inside the attic of this house and

saw no obvious mold but in the cellar I had some cardboard boxes with

painted surfaces that formed dew on them and literally turned black

from the mold over the period of a few months. You would think I'd of

been smart enough to stay out of that house. But I wanted to build my

own truck camper to live in to try to get my health back and did get

the camper built but almost died in the process.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x74/antares41_41/honeywellmold004.j

pg

If the mold isn't bad enough, you have the dear ticks also:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x74/antares41_41/100_1333.jpg

Got that laying out in the back yard on a recliner or lounge chair or

whatever you call those things that are usually around pools. Didn't

find it until hours later when I was laying in my bed. I think a good

rule of thumb with air conditioners is to not let them sit as you say

because that is inviting disaster. Better just to pay the extra bucks

and run the thing whenever it's hot and humid weather people are

there or not. Than when the season comes to a close clean it well and

don't use it in between unless you want to crawl up there and clean

it again. Not only do you not want mold to grow in the ac, but you

don't want mold to grow in your walls from the heat and humidity that

result from not running it when the building is not occupied.

>

> Hi ,

>

> I was interested in your remark on being in an air conditioned

house. As I

> read your note, I believe you are implying that you have had

trouble with

> air conditioning before. Correct me if I am wrong.

>

[Guest guest]

I think if there are any words of wisdom I could impart on people in

this group it would be if whatever your doing isn't working cut your

losses quickly and try something else. As hard as it might be and as

futile as it might seem. I was quite disillusioned after having spent

18k on a new travel trailer and sicker than ever so I tried to

convince myself well my sensitivity to mold is just on the rise. When

in fact my mold exposure was and that was what was causing it.

I finally got out after a year and a few months in that thing. Should

of gone much much sooner the hotel route, or gotten an apartment or

done what I actually ended up doing this time which is working better

than I would of ever imagined. But it's so difficult making

decisions . No one will rent you an apartment without making a $1500

commitment. Using one of the Internet services and finding a

roommate (specifically one that has a new house) has been a godsend.

All my food allergies are gone, a lot of the fatigue and mental

difficulties are lifting, not having the sleep disorders, no long

naps during the day, probably only sleeping 9 hours a day instead of

12 or 13 and my waking hours are productive instead of being in a

vegetative PISSED OFF state.

> >

> > A medical Dr, (allergist) tested me for allergy's and introduced

me

> > to the concept. Anyone who knows my history knows most of my years

> > with this disease have been on pouches, in tents, underneath a

> > carport and in different houses, even in a sail boat. But almost

>

[Guest guest]

jeanine,

I forgot to say thank you for the kind words.

> >

> > A medical Dr, (allergist) tested me for allergy's and introduced

me

> > to the concept. Anyone who knows my history knows most of my years

> > with this disease have been on pouches, in tents, underneath a

> > carport and in different houses, even in a sail boat. But almost

>

[Guest guest]

ROBERT, NO PROBLEM, AND WE ALL HAVE OUR GROUCHY TIMES.

PLEASE BE CAREFUL, COMPARED TO MY EXPOSURE I FELT GREAT AFTER GETTING

OUT, BUT I REALLY WASN'T DOING GREAT, AFTER MENY TRIES AND FINALLY

GETTING A MOLD FREE APARTMENT, I FELT EVEN BETTER, I WANTED TO JUMP

FOR JOY WHEN MY BACK PAIN OF SEVERAL YEARS SLOWLY EASED UP. PROBLEM

WAS THAT WITH ADVOIDANCE MANY OF MY SYMPTOMS STARTED

SEPERATING/LESSONING AND MY TOXIN/IRRITANT INTOLERANCE STARTED

SHINEING THROUGH. CANT HURT TO AVOID ALL THOSE TRIGGERS EVEN IF YOU

DONT FELL YOU HAVE THIS. I GRIPE AT MY DAUGHTERS ALL THE TIME TO LAY

OFF THE SMELLY STUFF, IT JUST CANT BE GOOD, THEIR FINALLY

LISTENING,SOMEWHAT. THEY STILL SPLASH IT ON IF THEY GO OUT BUT ARE

DOING REALLY GOOD AT NOT MAKEING THEIR HOME SMELL LIKE PURFUME

FACTORYS. THEIR HUNNY'S WERE THR HARDEST TO TRAIN,LOL'S

> > >

> > > A medical Dr, (allergist) tested me for allergy's and

introduced

> me

> > > to the concept. Anyone who knows my history knows most of my

years

> > > with this disease have been on pouches, in tents, underneath a

> > > carport and in different houses, even in a sail boat. But

almost

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I can't stand being around someone with perfume on. I have to admit

it does make me a little light headed, not saying I am not reactive

to really pungent chemicals like this, just not no where near the way

I am with mold. Thank God I finally got into a situation that isn't

killing me.

>

> ROBERT, NO PROBLEM, AND WE ALL HAVE OUR GROUCHY TIMES.

> PLEASE BE CAREFUL, COMPARED TO MY EXPOSURE I FELT GREAT AFTER

GETTING

[Guest guest]

no dought, and what's worse is when you come apon someone who's moldy

and has on perfume. this has happened a few times but it made me

fight to keep from passing out so theres no way I could start a

conversation with them. I still fell bery sad about one time while I

was at the mayo clinic in waiting room for the asthma doctor.

yhis older farmer was sitting there with his daughters and this guy

walks in with a overcoat on and I swear you could almost see the

myco's flying and he was loaded with colone. I started coughing and

couldn't stop and almosr crawled out of the area, after I got far

enough away to recover a little I heard someone else coughing like

crazy and looked up and it was the farmer and his daughters were

stareing at me with a big question mark on their faces. I knew at

that moment what was wrong with their dad but I could mone or talk or

even think. all I could do was look back at those sad confused faces.

he got called in to the doctor, than I did, and I didn't see them

again. hard to live with knoeing and not haveing a chance to talk to

them.

>

> I can't stand being around someone with perfume on. I have to admit

> it does make me a little light headed, not saying I am not reactive

> to really pungent chemicals like this, just not no where near the

way

[Guest guest]

I know. I'm afraid of window air conditioners. I tried to do

without one but was getting too hot, so my landlord bought me a new

a/c unit, that I am using now. However he promised that before I

moved in. It was what attracted me to apartment, the hardwood

floors and advertised a new a/c. I put a filter on it like Jeff May

suggested and I turn it off daily with fan left on, hoping to dry it

out daily.

> >

> > That is great that you are feeling better and in a new place.

This

> can

> > show others how moving can make a major change once you finally

do

> the

> > move.

>

[Guest guest]

I don't do well with open windows either. Open air living wouldn't

work for me. My immune system is way too compromised. I need to be

inside clean, dry building. That's what has helped me the most.

Although I do air place out when weather is dry enough and mold count

and allergens are low.

>

While I

> was sick most the time with the windows open in that trailer I was

> devastated when I ran