Re: I disagree: Witholding mold sampling results/ was Whistle...

[Guest guest]

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And what of the average tenant who is trusting? Take for example the

average tenant who knows little of mold or what is taking place in the IAQ

industry

who is told by their landlord [in spite of the test results showing

otherwise] that the mold sampling results did not reflect any type of problem?

What

do you tell these tenants who accept what they are being told and see no

reason for any further action in this area and remain sick because of this?

What

would you tell them, don't be so naive and trusting? Don't be so stupid?

And what do you tell the single mother working 2 jobs with 3 sick children

barely making ends meet as it is, who can't afford to spend $800 let alone the

average $1,500- $2,500 on up for mold testing of their 3 bedroom apartment?

And what do you tell all the tenants living at poverty level in substandard

housing?

Please tell me what do you say to these people? Do you say to them

what you just said, " there should be nothing stopping you from hiring your own

consultant? "

B

In a message dated 7/9/2007 7:28:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

jason@... writes:

I have to respectfully disagree with you on this. If you are a tenant,

and sampling results are withheld, there should be nothing stopping you

from hiring your own consultant.

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[Guest guest]

The argument that I have heard from (one) person in the mold testing

bisiness is that people who have not paid for it have no right to have

information that others have paid for. His opinion was that everything

involved with buying or renting a home costs money and that meant that even

if he could, would then deserve to be paid again because deserved to get

paid for work he did. (I interpreted this as a plea for some extra money

under the table)

If he released information that was not complementary to his employers

business interests he felt that not only would they never hire him again and

also would tell others not to hire him (and most of his work came from

apartment building owners, very little came from renters or homeowners) and

he also felt that they would also be able to sue him for diminuation of the

property's value which might be a lot of money.

In this world, 'trust' is a very dangerous disability to have.

On 7/9/07, bobbinsbiomed@... <bobbinsbiomed@...> wrote:

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> ,

>

> And what of the average tenant who is trusting? Take for example the

> average tenant who knows little of mold or what is taking place in the IAQ

> industry

> who is told by their landlord [in spite of the test results showing

> otherwise] that the mold sampling results did not reflect any type of

> problem? >

> In a message dated 7/9/2007 7:28:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> jason@... <jason%40k9moldpro.com> writes:

>

> I have to respectfully disagree with you on this. If you are a tenant,

> and sampling results are withheld, there should be nothing stopping you

> from hiring your own consultant.

>

>

[Guest guest]

My experience from going through all that - trying to get a landlord

to clean up a very moldy building and failing was that even in what

was arguably one of the most tenant-friendly places in the country

that this country still gives landlords a lot of leeway on how to

manage THEIR property.

This all came down to the choice whether to stay or to go. They made

it clear that they would not clean it up to what they portrayed as my

idiosyncratic interpretation of what was healthy and they would waste

literally years of MY time and thousands of MY dollars going around in

circles until I was tired of beating my head against the wall.

Its like that everywhere.

Most landlords are NOT that evil and irresponsible but the lack of

laws gives them the 'freedom' to do this and some do. Many do.

its KILL the messenger, literally.. They do NOT like being told that

they are killing people and they retaliate.

The longer you stay figuring this out the sicker you get.

[Guest guest]

I had a mold inspector tell me point-blank that she changed her mind on doing

our inspection because we had just bought our house and there could be

litigation involved. She said the clients she wanted were realtors and it could

screw her up to work for me and have it come against the realtor who sold me the

house.

But there are good inspectors - we hired an environmental company who work for

the people no matter who they are. They are doing a great job and preparing

their reports for litigation on my behalf.

K in CA

Re: [] I disagree: Witholding mold sampling results/ was

Whistle...

The argument that I have heard from (one) person in the mold testing

bisiness is that people who have not paid for it have no right to have

information that others have paid for.

[Guest guest]

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why the hostility? I thought this was a forum to exchange ideas?

I am simply trying to point out why this does not work, not solve poverty.

I do this every day. My opinions are based on experiences.

Respectfully,

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> ,

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> And what of the average tenant who is trusting? Take for example the

> average tenant who knows little of mold or what is taking place in

the IAQ industry

> who is told by their landlord [in spite of the test results showing

> otherwise] that the mold sampling results did not reflect any type

of problem?

[Guest guest]

I just want to re-say in case I wasn't clear the first time that the person

I was talking to who said that is

emphatically NOT anyone on this list or (as far as I know) on any of these

lists..

its someone completely unrelated to anyone on here who I found myself

talking to for an unrelated reason.

I was angry but I kept that to myself because I wanted to get his side of

the story.

I also have to say that SOME VERY COURAGEOUS mold sampling firms EVEN THOUGH

many perhaps most

of their clients are the same kinds of people I mentioned earlier are STILL

PROFESSIONAL AND HAVE THE

PUBLIC HEALTH IN MIND..

Its not something that they have to do. ( Be professional )If they become

that way, its because they choose to do it.

In my opinion, the mark of a scientist is when they follow a thread for the

sake of finding out the truth

WHEREVER IT MAY LEAD..

[Guest guest]

Good for you!

I agree... what I find is that there are many out there that are not

really insured as they should be, and as such they don't like to give

any opinions outside of what the lab reports state! These tend to be

startups and Home Inspectors that are branching out, my opinion only.

There are Realtors and remediation contractors that will not work with

me because I do not always tell them what they want to hear, but there

are many more that truly want to do what is right, and don't want a

transaction to come back to haunt them a few years later.

I have sold the services of several remediation firms to my clients

simply by telling them that XYZ company has been failed by me, came

back and fixed it, and they still recommend me. I can't think of a

better testament to a company's integrity.

To your point though, inspectors are much like insurance adjusters in

that they tend to market either to the public or to " referral

sources. " (Public vs Independent Adjusters are the same.)

I have seen home inspectors act as your mold inspector did as well.

But I think, if you are always objective, let the facts speak for you,

and offer sound solutions to restore a healthy environment, you can be

successful.

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> I had a mold inspector tell me point-blank that she changed her mind

on doing our inspection because we had just bought our house and there

could be litigation involved.