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July 13, 2008

Ok val I will keep the t3 dose. But how about my HC? When I stressed

dosed the first 10mg (under tongue cause so bad) it helped ease it but

it did not go away. At about 5:30 I was walking to my car to go to

bible study when I felt the pressure of the heart beat and the pain

starting back up. When got in car I took another 10 mg under the

tongue and it calmed it right down. I was a little weak when I got

there, but completely subsided after in bible study awhile. My resting

pulse at home afterwards was 70. I feel pretty good, weak and a little

shaky but all in all pretty good. Should I up my HC to 35mg again from

32.5? Remember you brought me down slowly from 40mg after stress

dosing so much with that cold/chest congestion. But I really feel what

really caused it was I did not sleep hardly at all last nite, then the

stress was too much, what do you think?

> I would hold at this dose for a few days and monitor your pulse

RESTING

> pulse is what oyu want when not stressed. It does sound like a bit of

> adrenaline kicked in from your stress.

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July 14, 2008

I woul;d still try to hold as you are coming off a higher dose and your

body may be protesting the lowering still and really not need more.

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July 14, 2008

nyou might be interested in this group on dentures: Dentures " A New Smile"@groups.msn.comVal as you know I went on all T3 on June 5 because of Rt3. About the same time I came down with a bad cold and chest cough, it really took me down to nothing especially after getting all those teeth pulled and dealing with getting dentures where they did not rub sores. Well I have been getting stronger slowly, but could feel much stronger in my legs. I did not sleep well last night but have managed pretty good until about 2 hours ago. I was tired, got agitated with hubby and was cleaning up my kitchen when all of a sudden my heart started going a hundred miles an hour and started to hurt. I immediately took 10mg HC and sat down, then laid down. It took awhile to subside. I'm doing pretty good right now. Was that adrenals or thyroid?? I am only on 75mcg T3. Today I just started taking all Ti-tre, 80mcg. I took 40 this morning, 20 at noon and 20 at 4pm. I am not going to try the triyoflex yet, beings the other got here first, will wait if I need it. Is this the right dosage or should I try to up now hoping my adrenals are strong enough? I get my blood test the 17th and see doc the following week. Any suggestions?

July 21, 2008

Hi Val, again. Well I have gone another week on my 32.5mg HC and 80mcg

of T3 (TiTre). Saturday and Sunday woke up with headache and did not

go away, same this morning. I got slightly stressed at about 9am this

morning and palps started but not too bad. I rested. Anytime I would

get up and walk I could feel it. Had to walk outside and it really

started up so I stress dosed 10mg HC and then sat back down. It is

1:50PM now and I feel fine, pulse & bp are very good. I feel weak a

little but not when I had it before. Is this the adrenals? I have

baeen resting better, but like I say maybe the headache for 2 days

caused it. Could it be thyroid? Cause it would give headaches also

when need a change and I have been on this dose T3 for six weeks now.

Well 75mcg until a little over a week ago when I got the new meds, now

I take 80mcg. Should I try to up it?

I will call pretty soon and see if my labs are in as I see the doc

tomorrow. When I called in for her to renew HC she told the nurse to

tell me that I am going to have to start tapering off. I told the

nurse I am nowhere close to doing that yet, will tell Doc tomorrow. Do

you have any advice that I can tell her or maybe something for her to

read? Well will go now and call docs office. The RT3 won't be thre

yet cause it takes longer than the regular labs.

> I woul;d still try to hold as you are coming off a higher dose and

your

> body may be protesting the lowering still and really not need more.

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July 21, 2008

I would try upping the T3 as long as your pulse is not high. Dr

Peatfield's book Your Thyroid and how to keep it Healthy is good for

stating that adrenals often take at least 2 years to heal.

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July 21, 2008

My pulse stays around 65-75 resting. If I take it right after up and

around it might be around 80 but rest and it goes right down. Okay I

will up the T3. Should I add it at nite with late HC or add it to one

of the others. I do 40-20-20 with last one at 4pm

> I would try upping the T3 as long as your pulse is not high. Dr

> Peatfield's book Your Thyroid and how to keep it Healthy is good for

> stating that adrenals often take at least 2 years to heal.

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July 21, 2008

Yes I would add it at bedtime.

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July 21, 2008

I just got back from getting my lab reports. SCAREY

FT3....6.5.....2.4-3.9

FT4....0.2.....0.6-1.2

TSH....0.01....0.40-5.80

Sodium...140....133-147

Potassium...4.6....3.5-5.1

WBC.....5.8...4.8-10.8

RBC....3.98.....4.20-5.40

HGB.....11.9....12.0-16.0

HCT....34.3.....37.0-48.0

SEGS...25....35-70

LYMPHS....65....25-45

ABS SEGS...1.45....1.60-7.30

RT3 is not back yet

I only did the ones on the blood that were high or low. My glucose

was fine and my liver panel is within their limits.

Why is my T3 so high? Is that because of not getting to cells?

Because I have only been on 75mcg a day, shouldn't be that high

should it? Have only been on T3 alone since June 5. Will wait for

your reply, if not tonite I will catch it in the morning before I go

to Doc? What do I say to her about this?

> Yes I would add it at bedtime.

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July 21, 2008

Either it is not gettign ot the cells or your dose is too high and Rt3

has not cleared out yet. Some people might only need 75mcg but I

ahven't seen very many do good on any less than that. You stil lhav4 a

few more weeks for all the RT3 ot clear out, I feel it whne mine leave s

and become hyer overnight. from hypo the day before.

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July 22, 2008

Hey Val,

This is helpful. Can yo tell me what your hyper feelings are?

Can a person become more hyper just by T4 clearing out?

I am wondering if this is what is happening to me, or if the T3 is somehow

helping my adrenals and I am on too much right now and this is affecting the

bloat and high pulse.

I am going down by 5mcg of Cytomel every week like you suggested and this is week

one. I started at 50 and am at 45/Cytomel and 20HC. How do you know

when your Adrenals have healed or require less HC? (I have been on 20 to 25 HC for

the past year now.) Wondering if my body bloated from salt and Aldesterone levels are normal

because my Adrenals are in fact healing.

Doesn't being on T3 help to heal the Adrneals as well?

(Do people ever go off HC support?) I'd like to get pregnant someday

and am not sure if I can be on HC while doing this?

Jen

Re: Re: Adrenals or Thyroid???

Either it is not gettign ot the cells or your dose is too high and Rt3 has not cleared out yet. Some people might only need 75mcg but I ahven't seen very many do good on any less than that. You stil lhav4 a few more weeks for all the RT3 ot clear out, I feel it whne mine leave s and become hyer overnight. from hypo the day before.-- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WVhttp://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/

July 22, 2008

It is possible getting rid of the RT3 is helping your adrenals. It

allows the T3 to workj so just that alone helps them work better. Yes

some folks come off HC support, but many do not. It is fine to be on HC

whiel PG but you need MORE cortils when PG especially the last

trimester. Jefferies talks abotu this in his book Safe Uses of COrtiosl.

HC is a bioidentical hormone so if used in physiological doses is

preferabel to stay on than to come off if you should get PG.

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July 22, 2008

Ok, thanks.And what are the symptoms that you are on too much HC? I know i blew up on sea salt, so that could have been one.Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 1:58 PMTo: RT3_T3 Subject: Re: Re: Adrenals or Thyroid???It is possible getting rid of the RT3 is helping your adrenals. It allows the T3 to workj so just that alone helps them work better. Yes some folks come off HC support, but many do not. It is fine to be on HC whiel PG but you need MORE cortils when PG especially the last trimester. Jefferies talks abotu this in his book Safe Uses of COrtiosl. HC is a bioidentical hormone so if used in physiological doses is preferabel to stay on than to come off if you should get PG. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WVhttp://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Messages in this[The entire original message is not included]

July 22, 2008

FLuid retention, high blood pressure, Cushings symptoms,.

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July 22, 2008

What are the cushing's symptoms? What if you BP is high for you? I think i have another 4 weeks to clear RT3, and my pulse is high. My BP has been 128/90, which is high for me. (normal is 116/80 or less_ much lower prior to HC.)Can RT3 with high pulse lead to higher BP?Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 3:46 PMTo: RT3_T3 Subject: Re: Re: Adrenals or Thyroid???FLuid retention, high blood pressure, Cushings symptoms,. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WVhttp://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Messages in this topic (15) Reply (via web post) | [The entire original message is not included]

July 22, 2008

For Cushings your BP would be MUCH higher than that. Yes RT3 can cause

higher BP as it causes fluid retention.

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July 22, 2008

I saw Doc, everything as expected even tho I prayed for her to have

an open mind. Of course she had fit about T3 being 6.5, I explained

that you have to have alot of T3 in order to get rid of RT3 and it

takes aabout 3 months or more for all of the receptors to be opened

up because of blockage by the RT3. I took copies of everything but

she was not interested in having them or reading them. I told her I

had them more than once, she just ignored it. However she did read

your note to me on why the T3 was high. She chose to think it was

too much medicine. Said I was a little anemic. My blood pressure

was high (systolic) but I was upset with her. She took herself

because the one the nurse did was high and left it for her to do

again to see if it came down, it went higher instead. But I did not

sleep good last nite and did have a headache all nite and still have

it.

You told me before lab results that I should go on up on my T3 at

bedtime. I thought maybe I should ask you to make sure you still

want me to do that, I took the extra last nite at bedtime. When you

say you go hyper when cells are opened, what symptoms should I look

for? And if I am to continue upping my T3 how much and how often? I

am on TiTre 20 mg pill.

> Either it is not gettign ot the cells or your dose is too high and

Rt3

> has not cleared out yet. Some people might only need 75mcg but I

> ahven't seen very many do good on any less than that. You stil

lhav4 a

> few more weeks for all the RT3 ot clear out, I feel it whne mine

leave s

> and become hyer overnight. from hypo the day before.

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July 22, 2008

When my RT3 cleared I woek uo with trembling hands. NOT inner shakes

just my hands shaking. then HUNGER! This is the metabolism waking up and

demanding calories. If yur pulse is nto too high I would continue to

raise until eithe rtemps come up or pulse gets too high for you. Usually

over mid 90's is too high. If very overweight or older or in very

sedentary physical condition it will be a bit higher still say low 100's.

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July 22, 2008

Ok- One last question on this...and I am tying all of this up in a document for my doctor.

(Val, you should right a book of just questions and answers)

It sounds like both Rt3 and too much HC have 2 symptoms in common:

1. Both can cause higher BP

2. Both can cause fluid rentetion

RT3 only-symptoms:

1. Known to increase pulse

2. Can cause fluid retention

3. Can cause higher BP

4. Can prevent T3 from getting into cells

(anymore to add?)

If this is the case and you are trying to figure out your next step...how do you?

Should I continue to lower the Cytomel by 5 mcg next week, and keep the HC at 20?

Should I continue to lower the Cytomel every week after that? (I should have another 3 weeks

to clear out Rt3. Going to get new bloodwork in 2 weeks.)

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July 24, 2008

Hi again Val. I am now on 100mcg of t3, I upped it a few days ago.

Well yesterday I felt like I was getting sick, hurt all over and very

bad headache. I stress dosed 10mg HC, got better and felt pretty good

the rest of the day. Well this morning my head hurt only minimal but I

got up went to bathroom, walked out to living room and palps started.

I rested got better, got up to do something and they started again. I

stress dosed 10mg, helped a little. Later went to do more and it

started again, so I stress dosed 10mg again. Within an hour I felt

pretty good, a little on weak side but legs were fine and have done

okay the rest of the day. I notice my headache isn't as bad as it was

after taking HC, just like yesterday. Whats going on? Is the T3

causing this since I upped, making adrenals worse? You remember my T3

labs last week were 6.5, would this upping 20mcg be sufficient to

finally clear out the blockage at the reaceptors? This is pretty rough

and knowing I have at least another 6 weeks probably.

Should I possibly up my HC since I have been having to stress dose alot

again lately. I'm on 32.5.

July 25, 2008

First why are you increasing in 20mcg increments? That alone will stress

your adrenals. You need ot back it up and hold a while till things calm

down again then only go up by HALF that.

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July 25, 2008

Sorry about adding 20mcg instead of 10mcg T3. I cut the pill and it is

one that you loses quite a few particles. I figured I would be okay,

guess I waS wrong. However I did feel better with less headache when I

got up. I've taken my meds and I still feel pretty good with hardly a

headache at all. But I think it is wise to go back.

I just got a call from doc's office and my RT3 was 0.03 and my T3 was

6.5. Is that how low the RT3 is suppose to get, is that a good sign?

But how does that work to unblock the receptors to the cells? Before I

thot when my RT3 was real low it was done, but now I see that is not

true. I am really confused on this issue.

> First why are you increasing in 20mcg increments? That alone will

stress

> your adrenals. You need ot back it up and hold a while till things

calm

> down again then only go up by HALF that.

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July 25, 2008

With RT3 that low and T3 that high I suggest oyu dont nee more T3, maybe

a tad less. High thyroid can ,ake you feel as tired as low,. Also if

adrneals are not well enough supported the T3 stil can't enter the cells

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July 25, 2008

I take 32.5mg HC - 10-2.5-7.5-2.5-5-5 So are you saying that I may

not be taking enough HC? I have to admit whenever I stress dosed

lately I really felt alot better. I stress dosed 10mg HC twice

yesterday within twol hours. I admit I got to feeling much better, and

I have felt much better today, only slight aching around my eyes which

I have had for a long time. What would you suggest Val, should I up HC

and how much if I do and tell me what to take it.

> With RT3 that low and T3 that high I suggest oyu dont nee more T3,

maybe

> a tad less. High thyroid can ,ake you feel as tired as low,. Also if

> adrneals are not well enough supported the T3 stil can't enter the

cells

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July 26, 2008

I take 35-40 as my regular dosing. Some peopole do have cortiosl

resistance, or faster metabolism that burns through it fatser.

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