Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 If you have access to the MSDS for it, that might give you more info.. The way I hear it, many biocide products have an approved use, and SOME manufacturers and contractors do advertise them responsibly. But the opposite is also often true. Another big problem is that some (many?) contractors often imply that the biocide fixes will last forever, and charge accordingly, when the reality is that biocides might only last a relatively short time, and that even under the best of conditions, any problems that created the mold in the first place ALWAYS need to be addressed first, and my gut feeling when I hear these stories often says 'why are they plugging this stuff if they don't expect the mold to come back'. Another important thing to think about.. sometimes preventing mold in the future may require a rethinking of a space's basic situation.. (something insurance - which is designed to return a place to the pre-loss condition - doesn't cover..) What is the year-long moisture situation in this space? Has the moisture, and the potentials for future recurrence of moisture, (like in other seasons and under a range of weather and usage situations) been addressed completely ? Also, are you sure that this really IS the last mold reservoir? (have places been left alone and unexamined that may harbor more water damage) Carl, what do you think, if you are reading this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 You covered it very well. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- > If you have access to the MSDS for it, that might give you more info.. The > way I hear it, many biocide products have an approved use, and SOME > manufacturers and contractors do advertise them responsibly. But the > opposite is also often true. > > Another big problem is that some (many?) contractors often imply that the > biocide fixes will last forever, and charge accordingly, when the reality is > that biocides might only last a relatively short time, and that even under > the best of conditions, any problems that created the mold in the first > place ALWAYS need to be addressed first, and my gut feeling when I hear > these stories often says 'why are they plugging this stuff if they don't > expect the mold to come back'. > > Another important thing to think about.. sometimes preventing mold in the > future may require a rethinking of a space's basic situation.. (something > insurance - which is designed to return a place to the pre-loss condition - > doesn't cover..) > > What is the year-long moisture situation in this space? Has the moisture, > and the potentials for future recurrence of moisture, (like in other seasons > and under a range of weather and usage situations) been addressed completely > ? Also, are you sure that this really IS the last mold reservoir? (have > places been left alone and unexamined that may harbor more water damage) > > Carl, what do you think, if you are reading this? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 There is a web page on this issue here (a good one, as far as I can see) http://www.inspect-ny.com/sickhouse/cleanmold1.htm Its worth reading.. There's lots of all kinds of mold-related info there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 Do you know if these are called the New York City guidelines? One of our experts referred to them. This site looks quite thorough. Thanks. --- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: > > There is a web page on this issue here (a good one, as far as I can see) > http://www.inspect-ny.com/sickhouse/cleanmold1.htm > > Its worth reading.. There's lots of all kinds of mold-related info there... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 , No, the NYC guidelines are at the NYC Dept of Public Health website and were compiled by D' there. *They suggest looking inside of walls for hidden mold*, using borescopes and the like to determine the TOTAL amount of mold surface area before remediation. (Thats important as thats OFTEN fudged with, often there is a large surface area effected inside a wall, but little or even no visible surface mold, so they use the less stringent remediation guideline when they should be using containment) If there are people around, or there is a chance of cross contaminating other living areas, they should be using containment and PPE.. http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/epi/moldrpt1.shtml On 7/20/07, <smarshwar@...> wrote: > > Do you know if these are called the New York City guidelines? One of > our experts referred to them. This site looks quite thorough. Thanks. > > > > > > There is a web page on this issue here (a good one, as far as I can > see) > > http://www.inspect-ny.com/sickhouse/cleanmold1.htm > > > > Its worth reading.. There's lots of all kinds of mold-related info > there... > > > > Messages in this topic > </message/16581;_ylc=X3oDMTM0cWsxY2Zj\ BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ1NDczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTU4OQRtc2dJZAM1Mjg0MwRzZWMD\ ZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzExODQ5ODU5MjgEdHBjSWQDMTY1ODE->( > 0) Reply (via web post) > </post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvaW5qZjZkBF9TAzk3M\ zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ1NDczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTU4OQRtc2dJZAM1Mjg0MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsa\ wNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzExODQ5ODU5Mjg-?act=reply & messageNum=52843>| Start > a new topic > </post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjMGd2ZWhkBF9TAzk3M\ zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ1NDczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTU4OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lA\ zExODQ5ODU5Mjg-> > Messages</messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJjbWY4N\ 3IzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ1NDczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTU4OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNtc\ 2dzBHN0aW1lAzExODQ5ODU5Mjg->| > Files</files;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZm43c2psBF9\ TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ1NDczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTU4OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNmaWxlcwR\ zdGltZQMxMTg0OTg1OTI4>| > Photos</photos;_ylc=X3oDMTJjbzdhbGJnB\ F9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ1NDczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTU4OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNwaG90B\ HN0aW1lAzExODQ5ODU5Mjg->| > Links</links;_ylc=X3oDMTJkNzcxcG0yBF9\ TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ1NDczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTU4OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNsaW5rcwR\ zdGltZQMxMTg0OTg1OTI4>| > Database</database;_ylc=X3oDMTJhZjQ2a\ GJzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ1NDczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTU4OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNkY\ gRzdGltZQMxMTg0OTg1OTI4>| > Polls</polls;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZ2VoZDd2BF9\ TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ1NDczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTU4OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNwb2xscwR\ zdGltZQMxMTg0OTg1OTI4>| > Calendar</calendar;_ylc=X3oDMTJiZGJha\ 3BlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ1NDczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTU4OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNjY\ WwEc3RpbWUDMTE4NDk4NTkyOA--> > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > [image: Groups]<;_ylc=X3oDMTJidnNrZDgzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAz\ Q1NDczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTU4OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTE4NDk4NTkyOA--> > Change settings via the Web</join;_ylc=X3oDMTJkNmZ1Mm1xBF9TAz\ k3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ1NDczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTU4OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNzdG5ncwRzdG\ ltZQMxMTg0OTg1OTI4>( ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest<-digest ?subject=Email+Delivery:+Digest>| Switch > format to Traditional<-traditional ?subject=Change+Delivery+Fo\ rmat:+Traditional> > Visit Your Group > <;_ylc=X3oDMTJiYm1tZHBrBF9TAzk3MzU5Nz\ E0BGdycElkAzQ1NDczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTU4OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNocGYEc3RpbWUDMTE4ND\ k4NTkyOA-->| > Groups Terms of Use <> | Unsubscribe > <-unsubscribe ?subject=> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 , They may be trying to say they won't use containment unless they see 10 square feet of mold growing in a single connected block BEFORE they open the wall up. That is nuts.. but its often done by contractors.. Get promises in writing that they will use containment for all work requiring opening up interstitial spaces even if visible mold contamination is not apparent from outside if the presence of mold is suspected inside..(which should mean all exterior walls, walls around, under, above bathrooms, kitchens, basements, attics) For example.. what if you have a big wall with many small spots of mold.. Some contractors will say " oh its not ten square feet, we don't need containment " but then they open it up, and the entire inside surface is coated with mold.. You lose! now your whole house is contaminated... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 , the " contractor " is sending remediator..do you mean company that built home? > >it's not a huge area and the contractor > is sending a remediator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 , I agree with livesimply. Many times the full extent of contamination is much more than what is visible or detected. That is one reason why we also perform K9 searches. Also, location of the contaminated material must be considered (vicinity to say the air intake, adjacent wall cavities, etc). The condition of the occupant may play a role in dictating containment as well. It is not as simple as using a tape measure, there are simply too many questions left unanswered. I wonder about a few things: 1. Has the home in question been independently assessed by an IEP? Perhaps a remediation protocol dictating the specifics would be helpful. 2. Why is the insurance company pushing this one contractor to do the work? I know the short answer is money, but I work with insurance companies all the time and they are usually averse to making that decision for the homeowner... it puts considerable risk to the underwriter, i.e. they generally would own the results. 3. Is the insurance adjuster a company adjuster or an independent adjuster? Contrary to general opinion, independent adjusters are not motivated to keep costs low as much as they are to close claims quickly. It is sort of the same thing in the eyes of the underwriter, but for the independent adjuster it is a different matter. They are not paid until the claim is closed. In fact, the larger the claim, the more they are paid, but in general they are motivated to move through a claim as quick as they can. As I say, the behavior of the insurance company seems odd to me. Just my experiences and opinion. Hope its helpful. Semper Fi! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 I want to thank everyone for their generous responses. We needed to leave for a few days for a doctor's visit and to see family so I haven't been able to respond. Leaving was good thing as it allowed some time for the dehumidifier and hepa filter to do their work. We got home very late last night (very early this morning!). I will respond further to your questions when I can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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