Guest guest Posted March 9, 1999 Report Share Posted March 9, 1999 > > >Yes, heart problems can develop overnight. Mine did with a flu type of >virus. Ah... so the Atkins diet didn't cause your heart problems. I thought that was what you said. >The heart problems I have when on the Atking Diet was with the supplements >that I had to take in addition to the regular medications. The body >chemistry was changed to the point that the heart could not keep an even >beat. Once off the diet and everything went back to normal. Like anything >else no one diet of medication will help everyone. That is why everyone >should be warned of different problems with everything so they can be on the >lookout before there are problems. If you read his book, he says if you have medical problems you should work with your doctor. > >Maybe you have had problems with some doctors but I also work with some >great ones in research work and I trust my life with all of them. If was not >for a couple of them I would not be alive now as it was their discoveries of >the cause of my heart problems that saved me. And that's a great thing. I work with doctors and get to see them as human beings, rather than gods I'm not saying that people shouldn't listen to their doctors, only that they should do some of their own research and be sure they are getting the best care . Too many people have trusted the wrong doctor with their life and lost it. It never never hurts to have a 2nd opinion. In fact, if your doctor is a good doctor and your problem is a big problem, he should insist on it. > >Again, in the many years of being diabetic and being and running different >medical lists I have seen that diets are like politics. There is never the >correct one. Everyone thinks that theirs is the best and that is it. They >fight for their diet for everyone. People do that with everything As far as losing weight goes, any diet that works for you is great. My thrill with Dr ATkins is how well it controls my bg's . That is something to be excited about. And I don't push his exclusively... I advocate any type of low carb diet. Berenstein's is good, Protein Power is good. And if you can eat pasta and bagels and have good bg control, great. Go for it, but not many diabetics can do that. Myself I use a combination of three diet >programs and soon a doctor and myself will be working out a new diet program >for diabetics with heart and kidney failure. It also pushes the very tight >control of the 70s and 80s as averages to maintain. That would be a great thing. the high protein part of these diets aren't good for a person with kidney failure. > > >Bill Newman -- Rochester, NY >wtnewman@... >Bill@... >www.christianmerchants.com > >List owner: bibletalk@... & disaster@... & medsupport@... >Moderator/Host: response@... & preparedness@... & >www.delphi.com/disaster > www.delphi.com/diabetes plus 12 closed medical >discussion groups. > wnservices@... -- Web Development -- Web Hosting -- Desktop >Publishing > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Did you know that we have over 85,000 e-mail communities at Onelist? >http://www.onelist.com >Come visit our new web site and explore a new interest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 1999 Report Share Posted March 9, 1999 Yep, they're a real pain I live in one city and work in another about 40 minutes away. I needed a referral to the ophthamologist and went through the HMO book and got a list of ones near where I live. My PCP's office called me and said I couldnt go to those because the HMO had a deal with my employer to use one Ophthamology group!! So I had to go there and have my eyes dilated and drive 40 minutes home I wasn't a happy camper. I was quite satisfied with the doctors, they are a good group and I know them thru the hospital where I work, but I wanted a doctor near my home. I really hate the lack of choice on these things Meenie Re: Atkins Diet > > >You hit it right on the head. The problem is the HMOs. The doctors have >their hands of tied with HMO and hospital groups that they can't practice >like they used to. One of my doctors was forced to change hospital groups >and before the change he was receptive to almost anything and he and I >talked freely over the computer. Now with the practice change the computers >are out of the office and he is not allowed the research contacts that he >had earlier. Also he is limited to the medications that he can prescribe as >the HMOs state which he can or can not use. I am now on Medicaid and >Medicare and out of the HMO scene and it is so much nicer. I can go and see >who I want when I want without any referral and I feel I am getting much >better care even with some of the restrictions that Medicaid puts on me. > >Again it is the insurance business that actually runs our health care and >our lives and not the doctors. > > >Bill Newman -- Rochester, NY >wtnewman@... >Bill@... >www.christianmerchants.com > >List owner: bibletalk@... & disaster@... & medsupport@... >Moderator/Host: response@... & preparedness@... & >www.delphi.com/disaster > www.delphi.com/diabetes plus 12 closed medical >discussion groups. > wnservices@... -- Web Development -- Web Hosting -- Desktop >Publishing > > > Re: Atkins Diet > > >> >> >>One problem, I have learned, is HMO's. >>Many HMO's actually pay doctors that have fewer referrals!! >>Why? Because specialists charge more! It is outrageous! >>This is part of the reason why, under HMO's, you have to have permission >>(referral) to go to a specialist.!!!!! >> >> >>>I have been trying to get a referral to a diabetes clinic with no >>>success. Two doctors have flat out refused. A friend, who is Type I, >>>talked to the nurse practitioner at the clinic she goes to and the woman >>>said that it's awful - the family practice clinic I went to never refers >>>diabetics until it's so bad they need amputations. I am trying a new >>>doctor on Wed. and I called the Canadian Diabetes Association and was >>>told if I get another refusal to file a complaint with the College of >>>Physicians and Surgeons. I am in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada, BTW. >>> >>> >>> >>>Rosie >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>We have a new web site! >>>http://www.onelist.com >>>Onelist: The leading provider of free email community services >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>Ta Da! Come see our new web site! >>http://www.onelist.com >>Onelist: A free email community service >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >We have a new web site! >http://www.onelist.com >Onelist: The leading provider of free email community services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 1999 Report Share Posted March 9, 1999 True, my HMO will let you have an internist as your PCP, not an endo though ... However you can try to find an internist that also specialized in endocrinology <sigh> I havent been able to do that 'round here. Meenie Re: Atkins Diet > > >> >> >>One problem, I have learned, is HMO's. >>Many HMO's actually pay doctors that have fewer referrals!! >>Why? Because specialists charge more! It is outrageous! >>This is part of the reason why, under HMO's, you have to have permission >>(referral) to go to a specialist.!!!!! >> >> >>>I have been trying to get a referral to a diabetes clinic with no >>>success. Two doctors have flat out refused. A friend, who is Type I, >>>talked to the nurse practitioner at the clinic she goes to and the woman >>>said that it's awful - the family practice clinic I went to never refers >>>diabetics until it's so bad they need amputations. I am trying a new >>>doctor on Wed. and I called the Canadian Diabetes Association and was >>>told if I get another refusal to file a complaint with the College of >>>Physicians and Surgeons. I am in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada, BTW. >>> >>> >>> >>>Rosie >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>We have a new web site! >>>http://www.onelist.com >>>Onelist: The leading provider of free email community services >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>Ta Da! Come see our new web site! >>http://www.onelist.com >>Onelist: A free email community service >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >If you like orange and blue, then you will love our new web site! >http://www.onelist.com >Onelist: ing connections and information exchange Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 1999 Report Share Posted March 9, 1999 >Meenie, > >Some doctors along the way have even told me that DIET is not all that >important! I was a heart patient before a cancer patient and diabetic patient >and I was told by some of my doctors that propre nutrition would not do all >that much good - prescriptions were the only way to counteract the problems >you have. Well, pardon me but that's total hogwash!! I think we all can do >something to help ourselves beforehand - it was just the luck of the genetic >draw for me! Yeah these doctors are taught in Med School that if the doctor doesn't do it, it can't be done. They really believe it. You know the drill... " vitamins do nothing but give you expensive urine, " etc. > >As far as my husband is concerned, he for the first two years of being >diagnosed, was EXTREMELY careful and brought his BG's down from over 400 to >well within normal ranges every day - So, the doctor took him off glucophage - >BIG MISTAKE!! - it was like handing a person a ticket to DisneyWorld! <sigh> I know... I've been there too. At first I followd that ADA diet and exercised every day, felt like Hell but did lose weight. Finally got so sick of it I just said the heck with it and went totally crazy LOL. Finally got my head back on straight, though. did a lot of reasearch, got on some good mail lists , got a meter, and started finding out for myself what caused my bg's to go crazy and the answer was: carbs. > >He sort of watches what he eats at mealtimes - and yells about wanting more >salads (blames me for his weight gain - that I am not feeding him correctly at >mealtimes) - but then will turn around and eat cheese puffs and drink diet >soda, etc. I have told him that each food is independent and one does not >counteract the effects of sugar with one food and then gorge themselves with >another - it just doesn't work that way! >I think he thinks diabetes can be controlled on an over-all basis and not on a >day to day regimen. Sure rationalization. He has to come to the conclusion that he is responsible for what he eats and for taking care of his condition. It's kind of like an alcoholic. They can't be helped until they WANT it. >Yes, he is on the net all the time - and I even forward him copies of this >message list. You know the old saying - you can lead a horse to water.... <smiles> I do know. I sure hope he will start thinking about it. > >Right now, he has 65% use of one of his kidneys and every six months goes for >the 24 hr test. One of these days, something like the tingling you mention, >etc will happen and that will hopefully be another wake-up call for him. It >sounds callous to talk like this - but each of us has to deal with it in our >own way - he is more concerned with MY health than his own - and I have >pointed that out to him as well. >I have pounced on him, Meenie. My validity has gone out the window since I >have worse medical problems though - but I DO keep yelling! I know it's hard when someone you love is hurting themselves, but there really isn't much you can do. You can make the healthiest meals in the world but all the junk is available 24 hrs a day, and you can't possibly monitor it all . > > > >In a message dated 99-03-08 11:28:15 EST, you write: > ><< Thanks . > I get real aggravated with some of these doctors (and I work in a hospital, > hehe) because of their lackadaisical attitude toward type II diabetes. The > numbers of diabetics in the hospital with diabetic foot/leg ulcers, > amputations, neuropathies,e tc is tremendous . If you don't get in good > control at the beginning, it only gets worse and worse. Once the problems > begin it is harder to correct them. > Does your hubby come on the internet? There are wonderful groups here that > can help, particularly to open the eyes of the newbies > There is also a meter bank where you can get a free meter when they have > them available. If he doesn't do anything else, if he starts testing > himself he will have taken giant strides toward protecting himself from some > tremendous problems. > If he complains of his feet burning or tingling , or of blurry vision, > pounce on him! > >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >We are proud as punch of our new web site! >http://www.onelist.com >Onelist: The leading provider of free email community services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 1999 Report Share Posted March 9, 1999 >From: clerk@... >We have figured out - at least for us - that doctors do not listen close >enough to female complaints - no matter what they are! Now, don't get mad all >you men out there I recently read an article about this somewhere.... REader's Digest? that says this is true... women's complaints aren't taken as seriously by most doctors AND most lab tests (even one that only affect women - were done on men!! ) (That reminds me of a joke.... a lion enters a clearing and finds a reader and a writer... which one does he eat?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 1999 Report Share Posted March 10, 1999 If you ask most Doctors just how many hours of nutrition they got in med school their reply would probably be 3 hours. I got this from my physician who is down to earth, caring and a little on the holistic side. I went in to him on my last visit and told him about my experiments with aspartame and he said " really can you bring me some of the information you have found, I have other patients with similar problems " Now I ask you ISN " T He a JEWEL Ann S Re: Atkins Diet > > > >>Meenie, >> >>Some doctors along the way have even told me that DIET is not all that >>important! I was a heart patient before a cancer patient and diabetic >patient >>and I was told by some of my doctors that propre nutrition would not do all >>that much good - prescriptions were the only way to counteract the problems >>you have. Well, pardon me but that's total hogwash!! I think we all can >do >>something to help ourselves beforehand - it was just the luck of the >genetic >>draw for me! > >Yeah these doctors are taught in Med School that if the doctor doesn't do >it, it can't be done. They really believe it. You know the drill... > " vitamins do nothing but give you expensive urine, " etc. > >> >>As far as my husband is concerned, he for the first two years of being >>diagnosed, was EXTREMELY careful and brought his BG's down from over 400 to >>well within normal ranges every day - So, the doctor took him off >glucophage - >>BIG MISTAKE!! - it was like handing a person a ticket to DisneyWorld! > ><sigh> I know... I've been there too. At first I followd that ADA diet and >exercised every day, felt like Hell but did lose weight. >Finally got so sick of it I just said the heck with it and went totally >crazy LOL. Finally got my head back on straight, though. did a lot of >reasearch, got on some good mail lists , got a meter, and started finding >out for myself what caused my bg's to go crazy and the answer was: carbs. >> >>He sort of watches what he eats at mealtimes - and yells about wanting more >>salads (blames me for his weight gain - that I am not feeding him correctly >at >>mealtimes) - but then will turn around and eat cheese puffs and drink diet >>soda, etc. I have told him that each food is independent and one does not >>counteract the effects of sugar with one food and then gorge themselves >with >>another - it just doesn't work that way! >>I think he thinks diabetes can be controlled on an over-all basis and not >on a >>day to day regimen. > >Sure rationalization. He has to come to the conclusion that he is >responsible for what he eats and for taking care of his condition. It's >kind of like an alcoholic. They can't be helped until they WANT it. > > >>Yes, he is on the net all the time - and I even forward him copies of this >>message list. You know the old saying - you can lead a horse to water.... > ><smiles> I do know. I sure hope he will start thinking about it. > >> >>Right now, he has 65% use of one of his kidneys and every six months goes >for >>the 24 hr test. One of these days, something like the tingling you >mention, >>etc will happen and that will hopefully be another wake-up call for him. >It >>sounds callous to talk like this - but each of us has to deal with it in >our >>own way - he is more concerned with MY health than his own - and I have >>pointed that out to him as well. >>I have pounced on him, Meenie. My validity has gone out the window since I >>have worse medical problems though - but I DO keep yelling! > > >I know it's hard when someone you love is hurting themselves, but there >really isn't much you can do. You can make the healthiest meals in the >world but all the junk is available 24 hrs a day, and you can't possibly >monitor it all . >> >> >> >>In a message dated 99-03-08 11:28:15 EST, you write: >> >><< Thanks . >> I get real aggravated with some of these doctors (and I work in a >hospital, >> hehe) because of their lackadaisical attitude toward type II diabetes. >The >> numbers of diabetics in the hospital with diabetic foot/leg ulcers, >> amputations, neuropathies,e tc is tremendous . If you don't get in good >> control at the beginning, it only gets worse and worse. Once the problems >> begin it is harder to correct them. >> Does your hubby come on the internet? There are wonderful groups here that >> can help, particularly to open the eyes of the newbies >> There is also a meter bank where you can get a free meter when they have >> them available. If he doesn't do anything else, if he starts testing >> himself he will have taken giant strides toward protecting himself from >some >> tremendous problems. >> If he complains of his feet burning or tingling , or of blurry vision, >> pounce on him! >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>We are proud as punch of our new web site! >>http://www.onelist.com >>Onelist: The leading provider of free email community services > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Ideas on how we can improve ONElist? >http://www.onelist.com >Check out the Suggestion Box feature on our new web site > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 1999 Report Share Posted March 10, 1999 Yes that is a jewel of a doctor ... keep him! Meenie > > >If you ask most Doctors just how many hours of nutrition they got in med >school their reply would probably be 3 hours. I got this from my physician >who is down to earth, caring and a little on the holistic side. I went in >to him on my last visit and told him about my experiments with aspartame and >he said " really can you bring me some of the information you have found, I >have other patients with similar problems " Now I ask you ISN " T He a JEWEL > >Ann S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 1999 Report Share Posted March 10, 1999 No I did not say that it initially cause the heart problems but it did bring the heart condition to a head as my heart rhythm was way off because of the problem that the diet did with my body chemical makeup. The diet called for many supplements that a person on the heart medication I was on was not to take because of interactions. Because I went on the very low carb diet without the basic supplements that Atkins stated were need I deprived my body of many of the essential needs. That is why many of the leading heart doctors are now starting to push a heart safe diet that is 10% fat and 15 to 20% carbs. with a lot if fiber. I was on the diet not for control of my diabetes but to eat a more healthy diet. Actually at the time of the problems with the Atkin I did not have a doctor other than a family practitioner and a second year heart specialist at the hospital clinic. After the 20 day stay in hospital with the heart rhythm problems is when I was sent first to the Florida Heart Clinic and then to the heart failure unit in NYC. In NYC is where is was finally confirmed that my heart problems were because of a virus and not high fat diet and the heart rhythm problems were because I was on a dirt that depleted my body of the needed chemicals to the point there was an imbalance. I have been in great control with my BGs in the last 45 months now. I keep a very tight control of 70 to 85 with only a occasional high of 110. After eating my highs never exceed that 110 unless I am sick of have an infection. Anything above the 120 mark cause angina pain and above 150 it is hospital time. Can't function at all. I eat a better balanced diet now with fruit as part of each meal. I test enough to know how I will react with just about any food and combinations. Bill Newman -- Rochester, NY wtnewman@... Bill@... www.christianmerchants.com List owner: bibletalk@... & disaster@... & medsupport@... Moderator/Host: response@... & preparedness@... & www.delphi.com/disaster www.delphi.com/diabetes plus 12 closed medical discussion groups. wnservices@... -- Web Development -- Web Hosting -- Desktop Publishing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 1999 Report Share Posted March 10, 1999 Yep an imbalance can do all kinds of things to your body... I've seen many people end up in the er at our hospital who were on slim fast and thought they were having a heart attack. Re: Atkins Diet > > >No I did not say that it initially cause the heart problems but it did bring >the heart condition to a head as my heart rhythm was way off because of the >problem that the diet did with my body chemical makeup. The diet called for >many supplements that a person on the heart medication I was on was not to >take because of interactions. Because I went on the very low carb diet >without the basic supplements that Atkins stated were need I deprived my >body of many of the essential needs. That is why many of the leading heart >doctors are now starting to push a heart safe diet that is 10% fat and 15 to >20% carbs. with a lot if fiber. > >I was on the diet not for control of my diabetes but to eat a more healthy >diet. Actually at the time of the problems with the Atkin I did not have a >doctor other than a family practitioner and a second year heart specialist >at the hospital clinic. After the 20 day stay in hospital with the heart >rhythm problems is when I was sent first to the Florida Heart Clinic and >then to the heart failure unit in NYC. In NYC is where is was finally >confirmed that my heart problems were because of a virus and not high fat >diet and the heart rhythm problems were because I was on a dirt that >depleted my body of the needed chemicals to the point there was an >imbalance. > >I have been in great control with my BGs in the last 45 months now. I keep a >very tight control of 70 to 85 with only a occasional high of 110. After >eating my highs never exceed that 110 unless I am sick of have an infection. >Anything above the 120 mark cause angina pain and above 150 it is hospital >time. Can't function at all. I eat a better balanced diet now with fruit as >part of each meal. I test enough to know how I will react with just about >any food and combinations. > > > > >Bill Newman -- Rochester, NY >wtnewman@... >Bill@... >www.christianmerchants.com > >List owner: bibletalk@... & disaster@... & medsupport@... >Moderator/Host: response@... & preparedness@... & >www.delphi.com/disaster > www.delphi.com/diabetes plus 12 closed medical >discussion groups. > wnservices@... -- Web Development -- Web Hosting -- Desktop >Publishing > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? >http://www.onelist.com >Sign up for a new email list today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 1999 Report Share Posted March 10, 1999 whats the problem with driving with your eyes dilated? Danny ---------- > > To: diabetesonelist > Subject: Re: Atkins Diet > Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 5:52 PM > > > > Yep, they're a real pain > > I live in one city and work in another about 40 minutes away. > I needed a referral to the ophthamologist and went through the HMO book and > got a list of ones near where I live. My PCP's office called me and said I > couldnt go to those because the HMO had a deal with my employer to use one > Ophthamology group!! So I had to go there and have my eyes dilated and drive > 40 minutes home > > I wasn't a happy camper. I was quite satisfied with the doctors, they are a > good group and I know them thru the hospital where I work, but I wanted a > doctor near my home. > I really hate the lack of choice on these things > Meenie > > Re: Atkins Diet > > > > > > > >You hit it right on the head. The problem is the HMOs. The doctors have > >their hands of tied with HMO and hospital groups that they can't practice > >like they used to. One of my doctors was forced to change hospital groups > >and before the change he was receptive to almost anything and he and I > >talked freely over the computer. Now with the practice change the computers > >are out of the office and he is not allowed the research contacts that he > >had earlier. Also he is limited to the medications that he can prescribe as > >the HMOs state which he can or can not use. I am now on Medicaid and > >Medicare and out of the HMO scene and it is so much nicer. I can go and see > >who I want when I want without any referral and I feel I am getting much > >better care even with some of the restrictions that Medicaid puts on me. > > > >Again it is the insurance business that actually runs our health care and > >our lives and not the doctors. > > > > > >Bill Newman -- Rochester, NY > >wtnewman@... > >Bill@... > >www.christianmerchants.com > > > >List owner: bibletalk@... & disaster@... & medsupport@... > >Moderator/Host: response@... & preparedness@... & > >www.delphi.com/disaster > > www.delphi.com/diabetes plus 12 closed medical > >discussion groups. > > wnservices@... -- Web Development -- Web Hosting -- Desktop > >Publishing > > > > > > Re: Atkins Diet > > > > > >> > >> > >>One problem, I have learned, is HMO's. > >>Many HMO's actually pay doctors that have fewer referrals!! > >>Why? Because specialists charge more! It is outrageous! > >>This is part of the reason why, under HMO's, you have to have permission > >>(referral) to go to a specialist.!!!!! > >> > >> > >>>I have been trying to get a referral to a diabetes clinic with no > >>>success. Two doctors have flat out refused. A friend, who is Type I, > >>>talked to the nurse practitioner at the clinic she goes to and the woman > >>>said that it's awful - the family practice clinic I went to never refers > >>>diabetics until it's so bad they need amputations. I am trying a new > >>>doctor on Wed. and I called the Canadian Diabetes Association and was > >>>told if I get another refusal to file a complaint with the College of > >>>Physicians and Surgeons. I am in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada, BTW. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>Rosie > >>> > >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>We have a new web site! > >>>http://www.onelist.com > >>>Onelist: The leading provider of free email community services > >> > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>Ta Da! Come see our new web site! > >>http://www.onelist.com > >>Onelist: A free email community service > >> > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >We have a new web site! > >http://www.onelist.com > >Onelist: The leading provider of free email community services > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > If you like orange and blue, then you will love our new web site! > http://www.onelist.com > Onelist: ing connections and information exchange Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 1999 Report Share Posted March 10, 1999 At 11:28 PM 3/9/99 -0500, you wrote: > > >whats the problem with driving with your eyes dilated? > >Danny > I guess if you have to ask, you haven't done it! The drops in the eyes to dilate make everything very blurry becuase they let in too much light. driving can be very scary. I make sure now I have someone to drive me home! -T2 Glucophage 1500mg D & E > ************************************************ *Every oak tree is a nut that stood it's ground* ************************************************ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 1999 Report Share Posted March 10, 1999 It's great that he is open minded about that because I have a feeling that there is a dearth of information on that subject among doctors. If it is a widespread problem, it will take doctors working at a grassroots level with their patients to do something about it. That's what I think. Ann Stagner wrote: > > > ,snip> I went in to him on my last visit and told him about my experiments > with aspartame and he said " really can you bring me some of the information > you have found, I have other patients with similar problems " Now I ask you > ISN " T He a JEWEL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 1999 Report Share Posted March 10, 1999 Don't get me started on doctors! : ) I have worked with them long enough (both professionally and personally) to know that an awful lot of them think MD spells GOD (not all of them, but a lot). I got really lucky to find a Nurse Practitioner who is also a Diabetes Educator (pure luck!!). She spends a lot of time with me, and even gave me her e-mail address. Fran >If you ask most Doctors just how many hours of nutrition they got in med >school their reply would probably be 3 hours. I got this from my physician >who is down to earth, caring and a little on the holistic side. I went in >to him on my last visit and told him about my experiments with aspartame and >he said " really can you bring me some of the information you have found, I >have other patients with similar problems " Now I ask you ISN " T He a JEWEL > >Ann S ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come check out our brand new web site! http://www.onelist.com Onelist: Making the Internet intimate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 1999 Report Share Posted March 10, 1999 , Thanks for the reference. I agree with you completely. As far as my husband is concerned, I adhere to the Serenity Prayer. There is nothing I can do for him except put the proper meal in front of him - which he does eat. I cannot help it if he turns around and does the opposite later by snacking on inappropriate foods - He is also a manic-depressive and we have dealt with that most of our married life, 28 years now - so, I am (or I should say, we are) firmly entrenched in the " Let Go, Let God " concept. He HAS to do it himself, or not at all - that is sad in a way, but the only way to deal with it. Tough Love!! in Port Orange, FL << From: clerk@... > > Meenie, > > Some doctors along the way have even told me that DIET is not all that > important! I was a heart patient before a cancer patient and diabetic patient > and I was told by some of my doctors that propre nutrition would not do all > that much good - prescriptions were the only way to counteract the problems > you have. <snip> > > .. my husband ... thinks diabetes can be controlled on an over-all basis and not > on a > day to day regimen. He's good for a while and then he slips and thinks that is > OK.<snip> > " Tight control " are today's buzzwords. It is now recommended that diabetics keep their BG's in the range that prevents complications. I try to keep mine between at least 80 and 140, with 90 to 120 preferable. Complications will eventuallly result from letting it get up over 200 all the time. I don't have time right now to look for it, but you will find a section on this at either diabetes.com, or diabetes.org. Also, yelling is not good either. Anger, yelling, fear, anxiety, and all those type of emotions and reations also make your BG's go up. The Serenity Prayer is a good remedy for that kind of stuff, IMHO. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 1999 Report Share Posted March 10, 1999 > (That reminds me of a joke.... a lion enters a clearing and finds a reader > and a writer... which one does he eat?) > > I give up. Which one does he eat and why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 1999 Report Share Posted March 10, 1999 He eats the reader , of course! Everyone knows that Reader's digest and Writers Cramp <G> Re: Atkins Diet > > >> (That reminds me of a joke.... a lion enters a clearing and finds a reader >> and a writer... which one does he eat?) >> >> >I give up. Which one does he eat and why? > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Start a new hobby. Meet a new friend. >http://www.onelist.com >Onelist: The leading provider of free email list services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 1999 Report Share Posted March 10, 1999 > He eats the reader , of course! Everyone knows that Reader's digest and > Writers Cramp <G> But of course! Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 1999 Report Share Posted March 10, 1999 At what levels do they think you can avoid complications, ? I try to keep mine below 140 also. I've heard over 150 is bad in some places, other folks say 180 or over is considered " toxic " and still others say over 200. My eye doctor says blurriness can be caused not only by high blood sugars, but by LOW bg's also. <sigh> Meenie Re: Atkins Diet > > > > >clerk@... wrote: > >> From: clerk@... >> >> Meenie, >> >> Some doctors along the way have even told me that DIET is not all that >> important! I was a heart patient before a cancer patient and diabetic patient >> and I was told by some of my doctors that propre nutrition would not do all >> that much good - prescriptions were the only way to counteract the problems >> you have. <snip> >> >> .. my husband ... thinks diabetes can be controlled on an over-all basis and not >> on a >> day to day regimen. He's good for a while and then he slips and thinks that is >> OK.<snip> >> > > " Tight control " are today's buzzwords. It is now recommended that diabetics keep >their BG's in the range that prevents complications. I try to keep mine between at >least 80 and 140, with 90 to 120 preferable. Complications will eventuallly result >from letting it get up over 200 all the time. I don't have time right now to look >for it, but you will find a section on this at either diabetes.com, or >diabetes.org. > >Also, yelling is not good either. Anger, yelling, fear, anxiety, and all those >type of emotions and reations also make your BG's go up. The Serenity Prayer is a >good remedy for that kind of stuff, IMHO. > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Have you visited our new web site? >http://www.onelist.com >Onelist: Helping to create Internet communities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 1999 Report Share Posted March 10, 1999 I think that 140 is really not good. It is acceptable, but not good. 150 is too high. I think that doctors who think that higher levels are okay are either entrenched in outmoded thinking, or they are just used to telling that to patients who don't take care of themselves and they don't want to get them upset. But I really believe in keeping them between 80 and 120. Below 80, I start to feel bad. So I know that even though I am not getting serious damage at that level, it still is not good. Below 120 makes it where no complications can occur at all, and I much prefer that. I think that one can learn to not overeat and avoid foods that make your BG's spike, and that ones happiness depends far more on feeling good than on satisfying urges. I also don't think fats are good because they make ME fat! And I am trying to lose weight. I don't think that too much protein is good, because it puts additional strain on my liver and kidneys, and at this point, they kinda need a break. E. Holman Meenie wrote: > > > At what levels do they think you can avoid complications, ? > I try to keep mine below 140 also. I've heard over 150 is bad in some > places, other folks say 180 or over is considered " toxic " and still others > say over 200. > My eye doctor says blurriness can be caused not only by high blood sugars, > but by LOW bg's also. <sigh> > Meenie > > Re: Atkins Diet > > > > > > > > > > >clerk@... wrote: > > > >> From: clerk@... > >> > >> Meenie, > >> > >> Some doctors along the way have even told me that DIET is not all that > >> important! I was a heart patient before a cancer patient and diabetic > patient > >> and I was told by some of my doctors that propre nutrition would not do > all > >> that much good - prescriptions were the only way to counteract the > problems > >> you have. <snip> > >> > >> .. my husband ... thinks diabetes can be controlled on an over-all basis > and not > >> on a > >> day to day regimen. He's good for a while and then he slips and thinks > that is > >> OK.<snip> > >> > > > > " Tight control " are today's buzzwords. It is now recommended that diabetics > keep > >their BG's in the range that prevents complications. I try to keep mine > between at > >least 80 and 140, with 90 to 120 preferable. Complications will eventuallly > result > >from letting it get up over 200 all the time. I don't have time right now > to look > >for it, but you will find a section on this at either diabetes.com, or > >diabetes.org. > > > >Also, yelling is not good either. Anger, yelling, fear, anxiety, and all > those > >type of emotions and reations also make your BG's go up. The Serenity > Prayer is a > >good remedy for that kind of stuff, IMHO. > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Have you visited our new web site? > >http://www.onelist.com > >Onelist: Helping to create Internet communities > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? > http://www.onelist.com > Sign up for a new email list today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 1999 Report Share Posted March 10, 1999 Hmm.... well, on the low carb diet I'm following now my bg's run mostly between 85 and 130, but I'm still having some of that dawn effect. When my bg's weren't controlled my fasting bg was around 180, sometimes even as high as 200 !!! With this WOE they've come down to 135 - 145, the rest of the day is 130 0r below. Certainly better than before, but I would like to get rid of that dawn phenomenon. Meenie Re: Atkins Diet >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >clerk@... wrote: >> > >> >> From: clerk@... >> >> >> >> Meenie, >> >> >> >> Some doctors along the way have even told me that DIET is not all that >> >> important! I was a heart patient before a cancer patient and diabetic >> patient >> >> and I was told by some of my doctors that propre nutrition would not do >> all >> >> that much good - prescriptions were the only way to counteract the >> problems >> >> you have. <snip> >> >> >> >> .. my husband ... thinks diabetes can be controlled on an over-all basis >> and not >> >> on a >> >> day to day regimen. He's good for a while and then he slips and thinks >> that is >> >> OK.<snip> >> >> >> > >> > " Tight control " are today's buzzwords. It is now recommended that diabetics >> keep >> >their BG's in the range that prevents complications. I try to keep mine >> between at >> >least 80 and 140, with 90 to 120 preferable. Complications will eventuallly >> result >> >from letting it get up over 200 all the time. I don't have time right now >> to look >> >for it, but you will find a section on this at either diabetes.com, or >> >diabetes.org. >> > >> >Also, yelling is not good either. Anger, yelling, fear, anxiety, and all >> those >> >type of emotions and reations also make your BG's go up. The Serenity >> Prayer is a >> >good remedy for that kind of stuff, IMHO. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >Have you visited our new web site? >> >http://www.onelist.com >> >Onelist: Helping to create Internet communities >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? >> http://www.onelist.com >> Sign up for a new email list today > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Start a new hobby. Meet a new friend. >http://www.onelist.com >Onelist: The leading provider of free email list services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 1999 Report Share Posted March 10, 1999 You may need to take glucophage. That is what this one doctor was teling me. I am resistant to taking meds though. I have found that exercising before going to bed really helps a lot. And eating very light dinners, too. Meenie wrote: > > > Hmm.... well, on the low carb diet I'm following now my bg's run mostly > between 85 and 130, but I'm still having some of that dawn effect. > When my bg's weren't controlled my fasting bg was around 180, sometimes even > as high as 200 !!! With this WOE they've come down to 135 - 145, the rest of > the day is 130 0r below. > Certainly better than before, but I would like to get rid of that dawn > phenomenon. > Meenie > > Re: Atkins Diet > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >clerk@... wrote: > >> > > >> >> From: clerk@... > >> >> > >> >> Meenie, > >> >> > >> >> Some doctors along the way have even told me that DIET is not all that > >> >> important! I was a heart patient before a cancer patient and diabetic > >> patient > >> >> and I was told by some of my doctors that propre nutrition would not > do > >> all > >> >> that much good - prescriptions were the only way to counteract the > >> problems > >> >> you have. <snip> > >> >> > >> >> .. my husband ... thinks diabetes can be controlled on an over-all > basis > >> and not > >> >> on a > >> >> day to day regimen. He's good for a while and then he slips and thinks > >> that is > >> >> OK.<snip> > >> >> > >> > > >> > " Tight control " are today's buzzwords. It is now recommended that > diabetics > >> keep > >> >their BG's in the range that prevents complications. I try to keep mine > >> between at > >> >least 80 and 140, with 90 to 120 preferable. Complications will > eventuallly > >> result > >> >from letting it get up over 200 all the time. I don't have time right > now > >> to look > >> >for it, but you will find a section on this at either diabetes.com, or > >> >diabetes.org. > >> > > >> >Also, yelling is not good either. Anger, yelling, fear, anxiety, and all > >> those > >> >type of emotions and reations also make your BG's go up. The Serenity > >> Prayer is a > >> >good remedy for that kind of stuff, IMHO. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> >Have you visited our new web site? > >> >http://www.onelist.com > >> >Onelist: Helping to create Internet communities > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? > >> http://www.onelist.com > >> Sign up for a new email list today > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Start a new hobby. Meet a new friend. > >http://www.onelist.com > >Onelist: The leading provider of free email list services > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Ideas on how we can improve ONElist? > http://www.onelist.com > Check out the Suggestion Box feature on our new web site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 1999 Report Share Posted March 10, 1999 I'm resistant to that also .... I've only been on this WOE a short time, I think I'll give it a little more time Meenie Re: Atkins Diet >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >clerk@... wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> From: clerk@... >> >> >> >> >> >> Meenie, >> >> >> >> >> >> Some doctors along the way have even told me that DIET is not all that >> >> >> important! I was a heart patient before a cancer patient and diabetic >> >> patient >> >> >> and I was told by some of my doctors that propre nutrition would not >> do >> >> all >> >> >> that much good - prescriptions were the only way to counteract the >> >> problems >> >> >> you have. <snip> >> >> >> >> >> >> .. my husband ... thinks diabetes can be controlled on an over-all >> basis >> >> and not >> >> >> on a >> >> >> day to day regimen. He's good for a while and then he slips and thinks >> >> that is >> >> >> OK.<snip> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > " Tight control " are today's buzzwords. It is now recommended that >> diabetics >> >> keep >> >> >their BG's in the range that prevents complications. I try to keep mine >> >> between at >> >> >least 80 and 140, with 90 to 120 preferable. Complications will >> eventuallly >> >> result >> >> >from letting it get up over 200 all the time. I don't have time right >> now >> >> to look >> >> >for it, but you will find a section on this at either diabetes.com, or >> >> >diabetes.org. >> >> > >> >> >Also, yelling is not good either. Anger, yelling, fear, anxiety, and all >> >> those >> >> >type of emotions and reations also make your BG's go up. The Serenity >> >> Prayer is a >> >> >good remedy for that kind of stuff, IMHO. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >Have you visited our new web site? >> >> >http://www.onelist.com >> >> >Onelist: Helping to create Internet communities >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? >> >> http://www.onelist.com >> >> Sign up for a new email list today >> > >> > >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >Start a new hobby. Meet a new friend. >> >http://www.onelist.com >> >Onelist: The leading provider of free email list services >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Ideas on how we can improve ONElist? >> http://www.onelist.com >> Check out the Suggestion Box feature on our new web site > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Have you visited our new web site? >http://www.onelist.com >Onelist: Helping to create Internet communities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 1999 Report Share Posted March 10, 1999 Your kidneys could be at risk because the Atkins Diet is protein intensive. We diabetics are prone to kidney disease, anyway, and a diet rich in protein could cause kidney damage just the same as high blood sugars can. The kidneys can handle only so much sugar or protein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 1999 Report Share Posted March 11, 1999 I agree. DeeBent@... wrote: > From: DeeBent@... > > Your kidneys could be at risk because the Atkins Diet is protein intensive. > We diabetics are prone to kidney disease, anyway, and a diet rich in protein > could cause kidney damage just the same as high blood sugars can. The kidneys > can handle only so much sugar or protein. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come check out our brand new web site! > http://www.onelist.com > Onelist: Making the Internet intimate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 1999 Report Share Posted March 11, 1999 Glad my doctor and surgeon dont agree with you... Fergy - Deseo alguna barbacoa! The Official Web Site of the BBQ Mail List http://www.bbq-porch.org/ ICQ #: 2235440 > Re: Atkins Diet > > > > > I agree. > > DeeBent@... wrote: > > > From: DeeBent@... > > > > Your kidneys could be at risk because the Atkins Diet is > protein intensive. > > We diabetics are prone to kidney disease, anyway, and a diet > rich in protein > > could cause kidney damage just the same as high blood sugars > can. The kidneys > > can handle only so much sugar or protein. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Come check out our brand new web site! > > http://www.onelist.com > > Onelist: Making the Internet intimate > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Did you know that we have over 85,000 e-mail communities at Onelist? > http://www.onelist.com > Come visit our new web site and explore a new interest > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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