Re: Celiac Disease vs. Leaky Gut

[Guest guest]

Can you see 'villi' in your 'stools'? Because at one point when I was very

sick for days I had serious abdominal pain and was also very constipated and

then when I finally did go I saw something coating my poop that looked like

a THICK layer of - something - i don't know what.... like an idiot I didn't

collect a sample, I just flushed it.. I was feeling very weak and wasn't

thinking clearly..

I do remember this.. the coating was a much lighter color than my poop

usually is..it looked really weird..

This was a few years ago.. not now..

On 8/8/07, salzberglver3 <salzberglver3@...> wrote:

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> Can we talk about Celiac vs. Leaky Gut? In Celiac the villi in the

> small intestine are flattened by wheat, barley, and rye. Can

> mycotoxins flatten villi? Can fungal colonization flatten villi? Some

> article say that a gluten free diet can heal the villi within 2-3

> years for adults, but celiacs must still remain gluten free for their

> entire life. Are the villi also flattened with leaky gut syndrome? Can

> our villi be repaired but anything except avoidance of certain foods?

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>

[Guest guest]

I don't know about 'flattened'..? I read the villi were destroyed.

Someone who does autopsies of people made sick with mold finds villi

missing, he said interior walls of small intestines sloughed off.

Perhaps interior looks smooth due to villi being 'flattened' and looks

like they are gone. Did you read somewhere that they

are 'flattened'? I read recently that people with Celiac disease

had 'ruined or destroyed' villi in small intestine. To me destroyed

means 'gone' but perhaps just too damaged to perform function.

I would also like to know and wonder if fungal exposure causes Celiac

Disease. I am experiencing this myself. Food remaining undigested

for hours after I have eaten and cannot put weight on regardless of

how much I eat, and no energy or strength from food. A blood test

done on me a few years ago, to try to determine why I was so weak and

tired, showed little protein in my blood despite fact I was on a high

protein/low carb diet. Other blood tests showed leaky gut, food

getting into blood stream, producing antibodies to common protein

foods since body detected this food protein to be pathogen, since food

is not supposed to be in blood. Amino acids are but not whole

protein. This whole food cannot be broken down into amino acids in

your bloodsteam. It just creates antibodies and inflamation. Protein

can only be broken down into amino acids by small intestines. If not

done there then you don't get amino acids you need. Amino acids make

your hormones, build or maintain muscle mass, especially important to

main muscle...your heart.

My gi doctor may do the endoscopy with capsule test on me, where you

swallow a tiny digital camera which is enclosed in a large capsule and

it takes pictures of your entire digestive tract, or transmits images

to a receiver that doctor views. I may do it but 'preperation for it'

is tough, must creat alot of diahrea deliberately which puts

additional stress on my digestive tract. Laxatives work by

deliberately irritating your digestive tract in order to stimulate

them to empty. Camera cannot take biopsy so doctor would still not

know 'what' cause is even if he sees disease and I know he will not

consider FUNGUS or fungal toxins to be cause, so doubt it would lead

to any treatment UNLESS he finds cancer and then I wouldn't take

traditional cancer treatment anyway, so... I think I can assume

without camera test that gut is ruined, at least part of it, so

question becomes what to do about it. GI doctor will just declare

it " diseased " and as for my reading there is no know cure for Celiac

disease or the other disease of small intestine, Crohns Disease.

I think this is my biggest health problem since it makes me feel weak

and if I cannot get nutrition from food, how can I get better from

ANYTHING? This is where I am now...trying to figure out how to get

nutrition in me.

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>

> Can we talk about Celiac vs. Leaky Gut? In Celiac the villi in the

> small intestine are flattened by wheat, barley, and rye.

[Guest guest]

Barb, have you tried Betaine HCL, digestive enzymes, probiotics like

acidophilus, whey protein?

have any of them helped?

[Guest guest]

I've started using 'whole food vitamin supplements' to try to get

nutrition despite my gi tract having problems. They are supplements

that are made of whole food. The idea is that they are in form body

is used to and are absorbed better. You don't have to take them with

food, are more expensive. One brand I use you need to take 9 a day to

get the quantity of vit/min stated on label since they are more

bulky. However I see signs in myself of improvement in my health...or

it's due to something else...like more color to my face, etc. This is

something I have just started.

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>

> Can we talk about Celiac vs. Leaky Gut?

[Guest guest]

I have two doctors, Dr Marinkovich and local doctor who Rxed digestive

enzymes which I take but that is not problem. Problem is WHY do I

need them? Fixing that as I didn't have trouble digesting food before

taking sick which started with medicine which suppressed my immune

system, so logic tells me it is infection, so why be content with

taking digestive enzymes. I've known about and have taken probiotics

since I was a child. Whey protein doesn't agree with me. Meat agrees

with me better than whey but it doesn't seem to break down into amino

acids well enough. If I get indigestion I take the digestive enzymes

and they help with indigestion. I don't take them routinely as I

didn't feel any better. However if I have indigestion, that clears it

up. I think HCL would be too hard on my system. I have no reason to

believe that I am short on stomach acid and too much could further

irritate my troubled gi tract I feel. These would be getting around

the problem without solving it. Thanks though. If I didn't know

about digestive enzymes, that would have been helpful.

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> Barb, have you tried Betaine HCL, digestive enzymes, probiotics like

> acidophilus, whey protein?

>

> have any of them helped?

[Guest guest]

I totally agree that there must be a connection between Mold and Celiac. I

was never diagnosed with Celiac but had many intestinal problems along with

colitis.So far being out of the school and taking the CSM I haven't had any

severe problems. On occasion my gastro Dr. will give me a Rx for canasa with

helps the bowel inflamation whicdh has only happened once since leaving.

Sue

There must be some kind of connection between Celiac and Mold because

it sounds like a lot of us are experiencing similar problems with

digestion, absorbtion, etc.; the same way those who suffer from

celiac do.

I was tested for Celiac even before I knew about the mold issue but

the tests are not that accurate: mine came back normal even though I

had lost 10lbs in less than a year and for me that is a lot because

I've never weighed a lot. I thought I was dying because even though I

was eating normally, big portions of food, I was steadily losing

weight. And the docotrs laughed and thought I was crazy asking for

the test to be done but I knew that I was sick; that something was

wrong. I knew I was not absorbing my food.

I did not have this problem until after the mold exposure, so I

believe there is a definite connection. I believe the villi is

damaged with mold exposure which is why it mimics celiac or causes

celiac.

>

> I don't know about 'flattened'. I don't know about '

destroyed.

> Someone who does autopsies of people made sick with mold finds

villi

> missing, he said interior walls of small intestines sloughed off.

> Perhaps interior looks smooth due to villi being 'flattened' and

looks

> like they are gone. Did you read somewhere that they

> are 'flattened'? I read recently that people with Celiac disease

> had 'ruined or destroyed' villi in small intestine. To me

destroyed

> means 'gone' but perhaps just too damaged to perform function.

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[Guest guest]

There must be some kind of connection between Celiac and Mold because

it sounds like a lot of us are experiencing similar problems with

digestion, absorbtion, etc.; the same way those who suffer from

celiac do.

I was tested for Celiac even before I knew about the mold issue but

the tests are not that accurate: mine came back normal even though I

had lost 10lbs in less than a year and for me that is a lot because

I've never weighed a lot. I thought I was dying because even though I

was eating normally, big portions of food, I was steadily losing

weight. And the docotrs laughed and thought I was crazy asking for

the test to be done but I knew that I was sick; that something was

wrong. I knew I was not absorbing my food.

I did not have this problem until after the mold exposure, so I

believe there is a definite connection. I believe the villi is

damaged with mold exposure which is why it mimics celiac or causes

celiac.

>

> I don't know about 'flattened'..? I read the villi were

destroyed.

> Someone who does autopsies of people made sick with mold finds

villi

> missing, he said interior walls of small intestines sloughed off.

> Perhaps interior looks smooth due to villi being 'flattened' and

looks

> like they are gone. Did you read somewhere that they

> are 'flattened'? I read recently that people with Celiac disease

> had 'ruined or destroyed' villi in small intestine. To me

destroyed

> means 'gone' but perhaps just too damaged to perform function.