Re: Sick student needs info....

[Guest guest]

I am a former teacher and was exposed at my school. I can only tell you that

I was extremely sick and got much worse before getting better. It is

frightening and most physicians do not know how to diagnose it or treat it! My

suggestion to you is to get out ASAP! Exposure to toxic mold can be VERY

dangerous

and even life threatening!!! You need to get out and stay away, then find a

Dr. who is willing to listen to you. I am a patient of Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker

_www.chronicneurotoxins.com_ (http://www.chronicneurotoxins.com) or

_www.moldwarriors.com_ (http://www.moldwarriors.com) I recommend that you get

a copy

of his book Mold Warriors, read it carefully from cover to cover then start

looking for a Dr. that will take you seriously which I can assure won't be

easy. Some others may know of Drs. closer to you.

I'm not a Dr. and certainly can't say that you are sick from mold. Go to the

website above and read about the VCS test about how and why it is so

accurate. It only costs $8.95 and is a first screening for a toxic illness.

Good luck and remember without your health you have nothing.

Sue

Hi. I go to a Texas college which is very old and delapitated.

Black mold is visable everywhere, especially in all the bathrooms

and AC vents and dripping ducts. I have been so sick this semester

that I can only go to school and then come home and stay in bed until

I have to go back to school. I have been getting more lethargic and

depressed and also having severe constriction in my chest. I did

complain to the school and they have recently started closing off

mold infested bathrooms to the students. The school is now making an

effort to clean up the mold and gagging smell, however from what I

hear about the history of the requests and lack of action on the

school's part to remede the problems, I feel like I am being mislead

to an extent. From talking to the employees, the school has a

history of not acting when these issues have been complained about in

the past. And so I am writing to you all. What is a reasonable

amount of time for the cleanup to take place and how long should I

endure this illness before I seek further help for this situation.

My body is completely full, I feel like a sponge that can not have

anymore toxins. When I go to school now I wear a resperator mask.

When I take it off, even for a couple minutes, I have asthma like

symptoms and wheeze all the way home and immediately go to bed until

I have to go to school again. Can anyone relate to my situation and

if you have any information on my rights to go to school in a toxic

free environment, please let me know! I am in Texas. Thank you for

the time and I hope that I am able to get better and continue going

to school without being sick.

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[Guest guest]

I really hate to speak so darkly, but...

Yes, m'dear - all of us on this list can relate to your story. You're being

proactive and we applaud that. Others will give you more complete answers, but

the first question back to you is 'how quickly can you transfer out of there?'

Your health clearly depends on getting away from this contaminated space.

Most doctors don't understand the health hazards of mold and mycotoxin exposure,

so you're unlikely to get the medical assistance you need from the health center

at school or from your primary care doctor. A good place to start (once you

decide how to orchestrate your exit) is with a book called Mold Warriors which

you can find at moldwarriors.com. There are no federal standards on

remediation, and even if your school ever did take the health concerns

seriously, a place that allows conditions to deteriorate to that degree are

unlikely to get someone to do an adequate job of clean up.

Set your sights on a different school with a cleaner environment.

When someone becomes reactive to the degree you have, even smaller 'hits' of

exposure can trigger health effects in the future - and they can get worse if

you're not careful. ly, the consensus on this board will probably be that

you should leave just about everything you have behind so that you don't cross

contaminate your next environment with what you have been exposed to there -

many of us have made the mistake of carrying our problems with us.

There are some good ways to get this stuff out of you, but it will take work and

time. Thank goodness you have as much strength as you do and still have your

wits about you (most of us with exposure have a lot of brain fog that often

hinders figuring out how to relocate).

I'm sorry to say this, but if there is a Federal law that says we have a right

to attend school in a mold-free environment, none of us has found it. Maybe you

can get your tuition back and some assistance with applying to other programs,

but the only way to seek anything akin to justice would be to sue them and that

won't be easy and may not be worth taking your attention away from meeting your

immediate needs of getting out of there. Very few of us have been successful in

court so far (although many of us hope the tide will change at some point).

Rep. Conyers has introduced a bill about mold in the '06 session, I believe, and

he'll bring it back at some point - there are folks on the list working behind

the scenes to advance it.

What you can do right now is get out and get your medical needs addressed.

Justice has to be a secondary thought at this time - maybe this will influence

your academic interests and you can make a difference that way...but you have to

regain your health FIRST. I don't know where you are in your schooling but I

can imagine that the thought of losing a semester or possibly a year of time

seems unbelievably outlandish, but listen to your body - it's suffocating and

having myriad problems I can only guess at...you MUST act to protect your body

BEFORE you do anything else.

I'm in Austin and you're welcome to write me off the list if you'd like.

~Haley

beau toxic <beautoxic@...> wrote: Hi. I

go to a Texas college which is very old and delapitated.

[Guest guest]

You need to get out of there. But don't drop out of school.. find another

school.. now.. during summer - its really important - your health depends on

it..

[Guest guest]

You're noting this, right? Your first three responses are saying unequivocally

GET OUT NOW. Don't go back to a school that's making you sick - it's too

dangerous.

~Haley

beau toxic <beautoxic@...> wrote: Hi. I

go to a Texas college which is very old and delapitated.

Black mold is visable everywhere, especially in all the bathrooms

and AC vents and dripping ducts. I have been so sick this semester

that I can only go to school and then come home and stay in bed until

I have to go back to school. I have been getting more lethargic and

depressed and also having severe constriction in my chest. I did

complain to the school and they have recently started closing off

mold infested bathrooms to the students. The school is now making an

effort to clean up the mold and gagging smell, however from what I

hear about the history of the requests and lack of action on the

school's part to remede the problems, I feel like I am being mislead

to an extent. From talking to the employees, the school has a

history of not acting when these issues have been complained about in

the past. And so I am writing to you all. What is a reasonable

amount of time for the cleanup to take place and how long should I

endure this illness before I seek further help for this situation.

My body is completely full, I feel like a sponge that can not have

anymore toxins. When I go to school now I wear a resperator mask.

When I take it off, even for a couple minutes, I have asthma like

symptoms and wheeze all the way home and immediately go to bed until

I have to go to school again. Can anyone relate to my situation and

if you have any information on my rights to go to school in a toxic

free environment, please let me know! I am in Texas. Thank you for

the time and I hope that I am able to get better and continue going

to school without being sick.

~Haley

[Guest guest]

I still think she needs to report this problem to someone. Seems like

this place should lose state funds or something.

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[Guest guest]

I totally agree that she should report the problem, but we all know that

nothing will come of it. They should lose state funds and probably be closed

until it is completely remediated. My school had THREE inspections done each one

worse than the first. No one could force them to do something except perhaps

the administration (private school) so they pulled up the carpet, replaced a

few ceiling tiles, cleaned the window AC units and the school never closed

and is STILL open for business. Another adult has a confirmed toxic

illness(with proof it is from the school) and the nightmare continues!!! It's

the same

across America and people continue to get sick and die. Until they are

forced to do something they will sweep it under the moldy rugs for a long time,

lie through their smiling teeth, say it's under control and that mold can't

make you sick. I'm waiting for the day when it all FINALLY hits the fan! I

just

hope I'm alive to say I told you so!!

Sorry for the rant but it really gets me mad when it's a school with so many

young people at great risk.

Sue

I still think she needs to report this problem to someone. Seems like

this place should lose state funds or something.

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[Guest guest]

Good ideas! Might be a good idea if she could get some solid info about

mold and then get a group of students together to take action. They may listen

to a group over just one person!! One person is often looked at as just a

complainer or trouble maker. I'll be happy to forward her a ton of info that she

can use!!

May be she could have the school newspaper help her out but she needs info

to start.

Sue

[Guest guest]

Sure... Report away. Just get out FIRST. In the situation I'm involved with

reporting did ZERO good. First it was reported to the City health department

and they told the owner some things needed to be changed, and then they signed

off on it having been cleaned up when nothing was done - they didn't even

re-enter the building to verify. Then we called the building code people, and

that guy didn't even file the report he made on the property (so there are other

problems still unaddressed as well).

I'm not trying to scare anyone with this, but in our case, a guy died from his

exposure, and we're still fighting coroner about cause of death more going on

three years after he died - the science is on our side (after my neighbor's

mother has spent upwards of ten thousand dollars and a lot of time to get it

documented fully), but it's an exhausting fight and one we know better than to

take for granted at this point. If you've done the quick math on this you'll

note that fighting more than a coupla years means that we had to file to

preserve our statute before we had the evidence we need lined up...try getting a

contingency atty with the science half-done...

Getting out is the one thing we can have control over. Eventually, we all will

begin prevailing on the legal fronts, but at this point, the corporate interests

that have better resources have been more successful in court than each of us

going it alone - and when I say 'legal' I also mean with local agencies whose

job it is to protect the public from unhealthful circumstances. A majority of

us have been told (in so many words) to get psychiatric help when we complain of

devastating physical symptoms from mold - it's going to be awhile before that

trend changes.

I'm not sure if this is a Federal or state part of the law, but because my

neighbor didn't leave a wife or children, there are technically no heirs to have

an interest in his being unable to provide for them. This has us on shakier

ground because apparently HE should be the one signing his own complaint in the

eyes of the law (I'm still trying to read up on this to understand it) - but as

obstinate as he was in life, he has been even more stubborn in death and has

simply refused to sign the form... Look, this stuff is crazy-making - the safety

nets we are used to thinking are in place have a lot of holes when it comes to

mold exposure. Hopefully, this generation of moldies will turn that around, but

we have a long way to go yet, and the fact remains that we can't sign the legal

paperwork if we're not still breathing.

Getting out comes first. Everything else is secondary.

~Haley

ldelp84227 <ldelp84227@...> wrote: I still

think she needs to report this problem to someone. Seems like

this place should lose state funds or something.

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[Guest guest]

Totally agree! AND test herself!!

Plus she could take a sample since it is everywhere. Just send it off

to the lab. We will explain how to do it if she is interested. ---

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ssr3351@... wrote:

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> Good ideas! Might be a good idea if she could get some solid info

about

> mold and then get a group of students together to take action. They

may listen

> to a group over just one person!! One person is often looked at as

just a

> complainer or trouble maker. I'll be happy to forward her a ton of

info that she

> can use!!

> May be she could have the school newspaper help her out but she needs

info

> to start.

> Sue

>

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[Guest guest]

In some states they do have to do something. Here is Delaware they

now do a little maybe not much but they condemn places, and they have

to give you a thing when you rent saying there is no mold in the

apartment. Maybe she can call Dr. Strauss at Texas Tech. Just

throwing out an idea. How young is this student. Sometimes kids may

get someone to listen that others would ignore. I just think she

should report to the press, or someone.

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[Guest guest]

Plus she could take a sample since it is everywhere. Just send it off

to the lab. We will explain how to do it if she is interested. ---

In , ssr3351@... wrote:

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> Good ideas! Might be a good idea if she could get some solid info

about

> mold and then get a group of students together to take action. They

may listen

> to a group over just one person!! One person is often looked at as

just a

> complainer or trouble maker. I'll be happy to forward her a ton of

info that she

> can use!!

> May be she could have the school newspaper help her out but she needs

info

> to start.

> Sue

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[Guest guest]

Hi Beau Toxic,

I drove six hours one way and paid $500 for an hour of time from a top fungal

researcher/

doctor. I will give you his expensive well-researched advice for free: " Get

out of it and

Stay out out of it! " Do it now and take nothing with you. Put it in storage

for now if you

must, so you can make decisions about it all later, but don't take it into your

new

breathing space or the home of someone you expect to visit in the future.

I got sick at the college where I taught. I knew the mold was making me ill,

but it was

painful to leave and they did try to clean it up, so I stayed a little longer.

Now I can't work

at all. Don't delay and don't worry about anything but regaining your health

before all

else. Take a semester off to detox to recover from being poisoned by a toxic

substance.

Nothing is more important than your health.

People will think you are overreacting. People will say that no one else is

getting sick so it

must be in your head. Ask them if they say that to someone whose throat is

closing with a

severe peanut allergy reaction. This mold is not going to cause everyone to get

as sick as

it is making you, but it is doing it to you and that demands immediate action to

limit

permanent damage.

Courage!

nn

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> Hi. I go to a Texas college which is very old and delapitated.

> Black mold is visable everywhere, especially in all the bathrooms

> and AC vents and dripping ducts. I have been so sick this semester

> that I can only go to school and then come home and stay in bed until

> I have to go back to school. I have been getting more lethargic and

> depressed and also having severe constriction in my chest. I did

> complain to the school and they have recently started closing off

> mold infested bathrooms to the students. The school is now making an

> effort to clean up the mold and gagging smell, however from what I

> hear about the history of the requests and lack of action on the

> school's part to remede the problems, I feel like I am being mislead

> to an extent. From talking to the employees, the school has a

> history of not acting when these issues have been complained about in

> the past. And so I am writing to you all. What is a reasonable

> amount of time for the cleanup to take place and how long should I

> endure this illness before I seek further help for this situation.

> My body is completely full, I feel like a sponge that can not have

> anymore toxins. When I go to school now I wear a resperator mask.

> When I take it off, even for a couple minutes, I have asthma like

> symptoms and wheeze all the way home and immediately go to bed until

> I have to go to school again. Can anyone relate to my situation and

> if you have any information on my rights to go to school in a toxic

> free environment, please let me know! I am in Texas. Thank you for

> the time and I hope that I am able to get better and continue going

> to school without being sick.

>

[Guest guest]

Thats the best advice yet!!! Run don't walk..

[Guest guest]

This is good advice.. seriously I would take it.

If they have been warned before they should refund your tuition money for

that semester/quarter. But you wont be able to get them to do this unless

you can prove that they have toxic mold AND get a lawyer to help you.

Otherwise any loans taken out while you have been in this hellish school

will have to be repaid with interest, nomatter how long it takes. They might

have to be reapid anyway.

The first step would be testing.

If you can get sampling done and have the samples tested (dont send them in

yourself, a third party needs to do it and sign the chain of custody form)

you may be able to get a refund or petition to have any loans for this last

semester forgiven. Certainly in a few years when we have gotten the

political situation changed. (pray!)

But you need to take multiple samples because even in a very bad mold

situation, when you take say three or four samples, maybe only half will

turn out to be stacybotrys or asp/pen or both... you wil need to prove that

there was a serious danger.. (difficult because the official government

position is that its as harmless as mothers milk, sometimes)

But even if you are going into debt and need to start repaying your loans

immediately with no job and it will screw up your credit, still you need to

get out or you may never be able to work again.

Thats a hell of a burden for a young person to be carrying around, even

worse than unpaid student loans.. (At least you can still live with roomates

if you can pay with cash - maybe your family could lend you the money to do

this and also to travel to a good doctor there are only a very few, most

will tell you yu are crazy and waste years of your time and thusands of

dollars of your money.)

[Guest guest]

I would think that they would work with you to get tranfered somewhere

else. please take advice here and worry about yourself first. than you

can later try to do something about this and I hope you well as

everyone should. things dont change without people takeing a stand.

more power to you but you need to fell better to even take on this

burden. I would tell them just how sick its makeing you and document

everything said and done. get anything in writeing that you can. I

would throw a fit if I had to. they can play dumb but when iy comes

down to it I would think they would do whayever they can to help you

transfer and even get it all set up to taje a semester off for health

reasons.

maybe make a pitition up and have someone pass around there as chances

are your not the only one getting ill from that place, some may just

not realize whats makeing them fell ill.somr lightbulbs may turn on.

amounts and types of mold can vary from room to room makeing some have

different symptoms than others. maybe list the many symptoms it can

cause on that pitition. you can find a lot of info. here in the files

and in past posts.

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> Thats the best advice yet!!! Run don't walk..

>