Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 > Enemy: Someone who wants exactly what you want. *****A poorly conceived and ignorant definition. Example: A common defintion of those who practice violent and murderous activity in the name of Allah is " Islamic Fascists. " I hold one who participates in such behavior an " enemy " (of civilized persons). So.....using your defintion, they want exactly what I want? Let's see. Based on THEIR words posted in videotapes issued from television stations in the Middle East, the militant Islamic Fascists want 2 basic things: (a) the complete destruction of modern, Western civilization and ( a world entirely devoted to -- and practicing -- the Islamic religion *as they define it*. This is NOT what I want. (As a note, there are plenty of practicing Muslims who are not in accord with this wing of the religion.) What I would like to see practiced (and I'm not holding my breath on this!) is tolerance amongst all the world's apparent divisions. It's only a preference and clearly not in accord with What Is, but it's how it moves here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 [Andy] *****A poorly conceived and ignorant definition. [Jaspe] Hi Andy, Nop, I was not meaning that. I was thinking about situations like these: --A person is married and likes and loves her husband. There is another girl who wants him. They both want the same. --Two people applying for the same job; having the " illusion " that they will only be happy IF getting that job (not thinking that there are many others possible in the world) --Two countries who want a third to be conquered so as to get its natural resources --Two parties competing for a presidential role [Andy] the militant Islamic Fascists want 2 basic things: a) the complete destruction of modern, Western civilization and a world entirely devoted to -- and practicing -- the Islamic religion *as they define it*. This is NOT what I want. [Jaspe] That is not what I want either. But MAYBE Western radicals like the US Army or some others do want the complete destruction of Islamic Fascists, and a world entirely devoted and practicing the Western way of life *as they define it* I am not saying either of them does want that. I am saying that it could be, it could be as true or truer. Have a nice day Andy, Jaspe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 [Andy] the militant Islamic Fascists want 2 basic things: a) the complete destruction of modern, Western civilization and a world entirely devoted to -- and practicing -- the Islamic religion *as they define it*. This is NOT what I want. [Jaspe] That is not what I want either. But MAYBE Western radicals like the US Army or some others do want the complete destruction of Islamic Fascists, and a world entirely devoted and practicing the Western way of life *as they define it* ----->Every " side " has its intolerant members. I'm sure such is true for some in the US as well. I'm not patriot, believe me! I was a conscientious object-or during the Vietnam War, and am appalled by some of the things the American government (under ALL administrations), has done. But, on the whole, this country, USA, was founded on, and, with many bumps and starts, has stiven consistently through its short history, to attain a reasonable amount of tolerance for other pov. Even opposing politic pov are allowed and considered legal (e.g., The Communist Party), as long as they don't advocate the violent overthrow of the government. In social areas, the country has been slow to embrace tolerance and even-handedness to large portions of its members (African-Americans, women!), but there is a steady movement to adjusting these myopic perspectives via education, political and " social " reform. So yes, certainly intolerance can be found everywhere. (In this regard I'm thinking of tolerance as a " your right to extend your fist ends at my face " type of thing. One need not be " tolerant " of those who would actively exterminate you, although this too has " worked " -- Mahatma Ghandi in India.) It seems that certain extreme, or fringe, elements of some religions, contain or embrace a teaching which says " I can not be full, complete, 'right' with God, unless everyone else adopts what I 'know' to be the sole path to righteousness. " It's a " my way or the highway " type mentality (the highway being the gas chamber). Whenever I see intolerance, what I see, underlying and provoking said intolerance is one single factor: fear. I always wonder: where does that all-consuming fear come from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 " as long as I see something needs to be changed, I can't have peace. " When I read this sentence my first thought was " so true " . But then I heard this little voice saying " is that really true ? " . And I started to think about times when I wanted to change something and it wasn´t stressful. Some examples: My daughter didn´t live with me for 1½ year, and when I started feeling better I wanted her to move home again. We lived in a small apartment at the time, so I got a bigger apartment for us and my daughter moved home. I can´t recall any stress in this, it just felt natural and very exciting. I was very happy. And I still am:). I love our new apartment and I love having my daghter living with me. One day I had the thought that I wanted a dog. Well actually I had beeen thinking about it on and off for quite som time, but at this point in my life something made me make the decision to buy one. And I did. No stress, just happiness. And then I wanted one more dog, so now we have 2. No stress. In July me and Hans are getting married. I´m planning for the wedding with great excitement and wonderful butterflies in my stomach, but I´m not feeling stressful. What I have noticed is that the decisions to make changes seems to be making itself. Suddenly I have made a decision. And one can ask oneself if these are really changes? They seems to be, but the real changes take place inside of me. I tell myself a story that I have made a change in my life, but the love, the happiness, the excitement all comes from stories about a better apartment, wonderful dogs and a marriage that not even has taken place yet:). Well, well, just some thoughts about changes. > > > [Andy] > > > > the militant Islamic Fascists want 2 basic things: > > a) the complete destruction of modern, Western civilization and > > a world entirely devoted to -- and practicing -- the Islamic > > religion *as they define it*. > > This is NOT what I want. > > > > [Jaspe] > > > > That is not what I want either. > > > > But MAYBE Western radicals like the US Army or some others do want > > the complete destruction of Islamic Fascists, and a world entirely > > devoted and practicing the Western way of life *as they define it* > > > > I am not saying either of them does want that. I am saying that it > > could be, it could be as true or truer. > As Roslyn said, isn't what both parts want just peace, and these may > be the ways they try to realize it? > > And it's just a guess, because as long as I see something needs to be > changed, I can't have peace. > > Love, > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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