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How did you know I needed to smile? I actually had a belly laugh just

thinking of Dr. Sudakin shittin'

his pants reading this. As I always say, you are amazing.

In a message dated 9/16/2007 2:33:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

snk1955@... writes:

Quackadillan,

You are right. However, you are off topic from my prior post. I want Dr.

Sudakin, who has been a silent member of this board for quite some time and

is

an affiliated of VeriTox, the ACOEM Mold statement authors, to answer these

questions for his fellow board members.

How about it Dr. Sudakin?

Perhaps you can explain to your fellow board members, how Dr.

Pestka's study supports your writing for the government funded American

College of Medical Toxicology paper, titled: American College of Medical

Toxicology Comment: Institute of Medicine Report on Damp Indoor Spapces and

Health.

How does Dr. Pestka's study support this statement: " With respect to

mycotoxins in indoor air, exposure modeling studies have concluded that even

in

moldy environments, the maximum inhalation dose of mycotoxins is generally

orders of magnitude lower than demonstrated thresholds for adverse health

effects.(3,7,effe

And why is it that the only other papers you were able to cite for your

above writing, were authored by your own employer, VeriTox? One that you

cite

was outed on the front page of the Wall Street Journal, the other did not

pass

a Kelley ruling just two months before you cited it for the ACMT. Surely, as

this is YOUR employer, YOU KNEW of this situation.

The following are the references you cite in support of that erroneous

statement.

(3) American College of Occupational and Environmental Medicine. Evidence

Based Statement: Adverse Human Health Effects Associated with Molds in the

Indoor Environment. 2002.

(7) Kelman BJ, Robbins CA, Swenson LJ, Hardin BD. Risk from inhaled

mycotoxins in indoor office and residential environments. Int J Toxicol 2004

January;23(1)January

(8) Islam Z, Harkema JR, Pestka JJ. Satratoxin G from the black mold

Stachybotrys chartarum evokes olfactory sensory neuron loss and inflammation

in

the murine nose and brain. Environmental Health Perspectives. [online Feb

27,

2006]

Instead of just lurking, perhaps it is time that you respond to those who

are ill after excessive mold exposure and explain your " science " to your

fellow

board members.

Sharon Kramer

In a message dated 9/16/2007 6:18:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

_quackadillian@quackadil_ (mailto:quackadillian@...) writes:

The lipopolysaccharide (LPS) priming and potentiation is one of the many

things that you notice never get mentioned in any of their propaganda -

along with inhalation toxicity being higher than dermal absorbtion,

ingestion, or ip injection, fungal transport through buildings walls, the

growing body of information on fungal fragments, etc. - (they only use

spores.. as if spores were the whole story.)

Again and again and again they leave out important pieces of information

that have been discussed again and again..

So anyone who has any doubt as to their willful and irresponsible

'implausible denial' is being intentionally blind themselves..

There needs to be a law....

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Hey All,

If you wouldn't mind, I am asking that no one else respond to this thread.

The only person I would like to hear a response from is our fellow board

member, Dr. Sudakin of VeriTox.

Dr. Sudakin,

Will you explain your science to those on this board?

Perhaps you can explain to your fellow board members, how Dr.

Pestka's study supports your writing for the government funded American

College of Medical Toxicology paper, titled: American College of Medical

Toxicology Comment: Institute of Medicine Report on Damp Indoor Spapces and

Health.

How does Dr. Pestka's study support this statement: " With respect to

mycotoxins in indoor air, exposure modeling studies have concluded that even in

moldy environments, the maximum inhalation dose of mycotoxins is generally

orders of magnitude lower than demonstrated thresholds for adverse health

effects.(3,7,8) "

Dr. Pestka's findings specifically said dose response is yet to be

established. Did you read the paper or just the abstract? Dr. Pestka concluded

nothing about moldy environments. And he did not dare to take only his rodent

data

and form a conclusion one way or the other about dose response in humans.

Only YOU and your employers have dared to do that.

And why is it that the only other papers you were able to cite for your

above writing, were authored by your own employer, VeriTox? One that you cite

was outed on the front page of the Wall Street Journal, the other did not pass

a Kelley ruling just two months before you cited it for the ACMT. Surely, as

this is YOUR employer, YOU KNEW of this situation.

The following are the references you cite in support of that erroneous

statement.

(3) American College of Occupational and Environmental Medicine. Evidence

Based Statement: Adverse Human Health Effects Associated with Molds in the

Indoor Environment. 2002.

(7) Kelman BJ, Robbins CA, Swenson LJ, Hardin BD. Risk from inhaled

mycotoxins in indoor office and residential environments. Int J Toxicol 2004

January;23(1):3-10.

(8) Islam Z, Harkema JR, Pestka JJ. Satratoxin G from the black mold

Stachybotrys chartarum evokes olfactory sensory neuron loss and inflammation in

the murine nose and brain. Environmental Health Perspectives. [online Feb 27,

2006]

Instead of just lurking, perhaps it is time that you respond to those who

are ill after excessive mold exposure and explain your " science " to your fellow

board members.

While you are at it, could you explain this power point presentation by one

of your employers, Dr. Hardin?

How is it you write an ACMT paper admonishing the IOM for not placing enough

weight on dose response, yet later, your employer gives a power point for

the AIHA saying the two paper are consistent?

_http://www.aiha.org/aihce07/handouts/rt213hardin.pdf_

(http://www.aiha.org/aihce07/handouts/rt213hardin.pdf)

ACMT Conclusions

􀂾 Concurs with IOM assessment of the

relationship between damp indoor spaces and

human health effects

􀂾 Recommends that responses to damp indoor

spaces be based generally accepted

associations with allergic disease

Love the power point. It's like a trail of the defense argument. You all

forgot the US Chamber redition though, that your employer was paid a

commission of $40K.

So, Dr. Sudakin. Are you just going to continue to lurk, or will you be

telling your 2000 plus sickbuilding board members of just how this science

works.

Sharon Kramer

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Sharon and , Diddo..... here....... and KC and Sharon C...you are great

people also. I just love this group. So rewarding and educational. I have

learnt so much in the time I have been on here. Keep up the great work all of

you, it is much much appreciated....Thank you, Darlene

davisnewstart@... wrote:

Hey Sharon,

How did you know I needed to smile? I actually had a belly laugh just

thinking of Dr. Sudakin shittin'

his pants reading this. As I always say, you are amazing.

In a message dated 9/16/2007 2:33:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

snk1955@... writes:

Quackadillan,

You are right. However, you are off topic from my prior post. I want Dr.

Sudakin, who has been a silent member of this board for quite some time and

is

an affiliated of VeriTox, the ACOEM Mold statement authors, to answer these

questions for his fellow board members.

How about it Dr. Sudakin?

Perhaps you can explain to your fellow board members, how Dr.

Pestka's study supports your writing for the government funded American

College of Medical Toxicology paper, titled: American College of Medical

Toxicology Comment: Institute of Medicine Report on Damp Indoor Spapces and

Health.

How does Dr. Pestka's study support this statement: " With respect to

mycotoxins in indoor air, exposure modeling studies have concluded that even

in

moldy environments, the maximum inhalation dose of mycotoxins is generally

orders of magnitude lower than demonstrated thresholds for adverse health

effects.(3,7,effe

And why is it that the only other papers you were able to cite for your

above writing, were authored by your own employer, VeriTox? One that you

cite

was outed on the front page of the Wall Street Journal, the other did not

pass

a Kelley ruling just two months before you cited it for the ACMT. Surely, as

this is YOUR employer, YOU KNEW of this situation.

The following are the references you cite in support of that erroneous

statement.

(3) American College of Occupational and Environmental Medicine. Evidence

Based Statement: Adverse Human Health Effects Associated with Molds in the

Indoor Environment. 2002.

(7) Kelman BJ, Robbins CA, Swenson LJ, Hardin BD. Risk from inhaled

mycotoxins in indoor office and residential environments. Int J Toxicol 2004

January;23(1)January

(8) Islam Z, Harkema JR, Pestka JJ. Satratoxin G from the black mold

Stachybotrys chartarum evokes olfactory sensory neuron loss and inflammation

in

the murine nose and brain. Environmental Health Perspectives. [online Feb

27,

2006]

Instead of just lurking, perhaps it is time that you respond to those who

are ill after excessive mold exposure and explain your " science " to your

fellow

board members.

Sharon Kramer

In a message dated 9/16/2007 6:18:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

_quackadillian@quackadil_ (mailto:quackadillian@...) writes:

The lipopolysaccharide (LPS) priming and potentiation is one of the many

things that you notice never get mentioned in any of their propaganda -

along with inhalation toxicity being higher than dermal absorbtion,

ingestion, or ip injection, fungal transport through buildings walls, the

growing body of information on fungal fragments, etc. - (they only use

spores.. as if spores were the whole story.)

Again and again and again they leave out important pieces of information

that have been discussed again and again..

So anyone who has any doubt as to their willful and irresponsible

'implausible denial' is being intentionally blind themselves..

There needs to be a law....

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ess, Dr. Sudakin, I'd like an answer to all those excellent questions,

please!

SSR

You are right. However, you are off topic from my prior post. I want Dr.

Sudakin, who has been a silent member of this board for quite some time and

is

an affiliated of VeriTox, the ACOEM Mold statement authors, to answer these

questions for his fellow board members.

How about it Dr. Sudakin?