Re: Re: Looking for history of tobacco and asbestos

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/1/2007 5:50:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

charlesb35@... writes:

Thanks for the info. The Executive Summary does a great job of

laying out the facts regarding the history of the health effects of

tobacco. I would recommend that everyone read this if you get a

chance. It sounds very similar to what's happening with the coverup

regarding toxic mold.

Very similar? Check some of the names of " medical experts " from Big Tobacco.

Try identical. Mold is just a new scene in the twisted play. Kelman, Gots

(cited 101 times), Burge, Platts Mills, Manhattan Institute, Lees- Haley. And

a supporting cast of many seasoned character actors.

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[Guest guest]

Yes, the stories of risk denial within various branches are very

similar. I tried to cover this to some extent in my book published in

2004, see http://www.art-bin.com/pdf/red_canaries_en.pdf

Tobacco, PVC, asbestos, mobile phones etc, see pages 68-125 (tobacco

is at 94-112)

See also this article about a certain Swedish scientist who was one

of Big Tobacco's leading stars in the world among industry

" consultants " :

http://www.nisus.se/archive/020610e.html

(The links to many tobacco industry documents in that article are

unfortunately obsolete, Philip have restructured their

database - probably to confuse. You can, however, if you have the

document number, type it manually into the Philip search

engine at http://www.pmdocs.com/pmpublic.asp like this:

" Did:[document number] " . Another great resource for this, where you

can search all tobacco companies' documents at once and read user

commentaries, is http://tobaccodocuments.org/)

One ironic thing is that the tobacco industry put money into the

research about mold and indoor air, just to try to find a way to

escape the suspicions that tobacco and second hand smoke

(environmental tobacco smoke, ETS, as the industry calls it) made

people sick. On the other hand there are documents here and there

that show that strategists within the various branches did not wish

to blame each other too much. They knew they had a similar problem

toward the public if the truth were to come out.

Karl- Tallmo

>In a message dated 9/1/2007 5:50:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

><mailto:charlesb35%40>charlesb35@... writes:

>

>Thanks for the info. The Executive Summary does a great job of

>laying out the facts regarding the history of the health effects of

>tobacco. I would recommend that everyone read this if you get a

>chance. It sounds very similar to what's happening with the coverup

>regarding toxic mold.

>

>Very similar? Check some of the names of " medical experts " from Big Tobacco.

>Try identical. Mold is just a new scene in the twisted play. Kelman, Gots

>(cited 101 times), Burge, Platts Mills, Manhattan Institute, Lees- Haley. And

>a supporting cast of many seasoned character actors.

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info. I read part of the book. You have an incredible writing

style, and I could relate to a lot of what you said.

Karl- Tallmo <ketallmo@...> wrote:

Yes, the stories of risk denial within various branches are very

similar. I tried to cover this to some extent in my book published in

2004, see http://www.art-bin.com/pdf/red_canaries_en.pdf

Tobacco, PVC, asbestos, mobile phones etc, see pages 68-125 (tobacco

is at 94-112)

See also this article about a certain Swedish scientist who was one

of Big Tobacco's leading stars in the world among industry

" consultants " :

http://www.nisus.se/archive/020610e.html

(The links to many tobacco industry documents in that article are

unfortunately obsolete, Philip have restructured their

database - probably to confuse. You can, however, if you have the

document number, type it manually into the Philip search

engine at http://www.pmdocs.com/pmpublic.asp like this:

" Did:[document number] " . Another great resource for this, where you

can search all tobacco companies' documents at once and read user

commentaries, is http://tobaccodocuments.org/)

One ironic thing is that the tobacco industry put money into the

research about mold and indoor air, just to try to find a way to

escape the suspicions that tobacco and second hand smoke

(environmental tobacco smoke, ETS, as the industry calls it) made

people sick. On the other hand there are documents here and there

that show that strategists within the various branches did not wish

to blame each other too much. They knew they had a similar problem

toward the public if the truth were to come out.

Karl- Tallmo

>In a message dated 9/1/2007 5:50:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

><mailto:charlesb35%40>charlesb35@... writes:

>

>Thanks for the info. The Executive Summary does a great job of

>laying out the facts regarding the history of the health effects of

>tobacco. I would recommend that everyone read this if you get a

>chance. It sounds very similar to what's happening with the coverup

>regarding toxic mold.

>

>Very similar? Check some of the names of " medical experts " from Big Tobacco.

>Try identical. Mold is just a new scene in the twisted play. Kelman, Gots

>(cited 101 times), Burge, Platts Mills, Manhattan Institute, Lees- Haley. And

>a supporting cast of many seasoned character actors.

>

--

__________________________________________________________

KARL-ERIK TALLMO, writer, artist, journalist etc.

ARTWORK, WRITINGS etc.: http://www.nisus.se/tallmo/

SOUND & MUSIC: http://www.nisus.se/tallmo/sound/

MAGAZINE: http://art-bin.com

COPYRIGHT HISTORY: http://www.copyrighthistory.com

__________________________________________________________