Re: what is an enemy?/Robin

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> >

> > Dear Andy,

> >

> > >> When we become attached to an unquestioned story in our mind,

> we may

> > >> see people in a different light: that was what I wanted to

mean

> when

> > >> I was talking about what we think an enemy is.

> > > *****We are the stories. There is no " we " who " have " stories.

> > Now, THAT's a story! There may be no " we " or " I " , or anything to

> be

> > " had " .

> > So, my take is: " no (read as: don't resonate with that story), we

> ARE

> > not stories. They COULD be everything we can perceive. We may

> even

> > identify with them. " But I'd rather go towards it from an

curious

> > point of view, e.g. What would I be without THAT story?

> Eventually,

> > all will fall away, and for so long... I take the illusion,

> anyway

> > (what choice do I have, right?

> >

> > >> Without a story, a person who likes or wants your spouse is

> simply a

> > >> person who wants or likes your spouse, not your " enemy " .

> > >>

> > >> Without a story, a person who wants the same job you are

> applying

> > >> for is not your enemy, is just a person who has MUCH in common

> with

> > >> you.

> > > *****And is, in that context, is not perhaps your enemy but your

> > > competition.

> > Oh, well. Some label it this, some label it that...

> >

> > >> Without attaching to a story we can see a person who has a

> different

> > >> political position as that, just as that, a person who thinks

> > >> differently, not as an ENEMY.

> > > *****The ENEMY label arises when the other person's political

> postion

> > > entails the active pursuit of your extermination: Islamofacisim,

> > > Nazis, any extremist belief system which says, " THIS is the way.

> > > Either adopt it. Or die. ..... No.....you can't just move

away.

> > > THAT'S not sufficient. The world MUST be rid of 'your kind' in

> order

> > > for me to be 'right' with God. "

> > > *****There are motives other than religious as well.

> E.g., " nation

> > > building " (sometimes under the guise of " for the good of

> mankind " ).

> > > The USA hasn't escape such atrocities either. Recall the

> doctrine

> > > of " Manifest Destiny " which was used, in part, to justify the

> almost

> > > genocide-like extermination of the Native Americans.

> > I think you can become more accurate than that.

> >

> > The way I heard it, the question wasn't about WHO YOUR enemy is,

> but

> > WHAT an " enemy " is as such.

> >

> > It's anything that threatens to interfere with my dreams.

> >

> > Because I can only have an enemy, as long as there is anything

> that

> > could be taken away from me.

> > If I had no dreams - or if I knew my dreams could not be

> threatened

> > by ANYTHING - what would an enemy look like?

> >

> > Which leaves us alone with thought.

> >

> > >> We want peace in the world? We can see everybody in the light

of

> > >> what it is. Obviously we won't do that before the right time,

> that

> > >> is, before we realize it.

> > > *****Sure, everybody wants peace. No disagreement on THAT.

You

> want

> > > peace, yes? So do I............as long as it is on MY terms. ;-

> ))

> > And peace at every costs it is, then...

> >

> > So what is this peace everyone wants?

> >

> > Is it peace, when no bullets are fired? Is it peace, when no one

> hits

> > anyone else? Is it, when no one hurts anyone else, intentionally?

> How

> > would I see that?

> >

> > Now, my take on this is... as long as I don't have inner peace,

> with

> > the world as such, even if there was world peace... I'd miss it.

> >

> > Love,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I don't know what exists in my experience.

Love is a feeling that when you are in it, you know that's what you

want.

> > >

> > > Dear Andy,

> > >

> > > >> When we become attached to an unquestioned story in our

mind,

> > we may

> > > >> see people in a different light: that was what I wanted to

> mean

> > when

> > > >> I was talking about what we think an enemy is.

> > > > *****We are the stories. There is no " we " who " have "

stories.

> > > Now, THAT's a story! There may be no " we " or " I " , or anything

to

> > be

> > > " had " .

> > > So, my take is: " no (read as: don't resonate with that story),

we

> > ARE

> > > not stories. They COULD be everything we can perceive. We may

> > even

> > > identify with them. " But I'd rather go towards it from an

> curious

> > > point of view, e.g. What would I be without THAT story?

> > Eventually,

> > > all will fall away, and for so long... I take the illusion,

> > anyway

> > > (what choice do I have, right?

> > >

> > > >> Without a story, a person who likes or wants your spouse is

> > simply a

> > > >> person who wants or likes your spouse, not your " enemy " .

> > > >>

> > > >> Without a story, a person who wants the same job you are

> > applying

> > > >> for is not your enemy, is just a person who has MUCH in

common

> > with

> > > >> you.

> > > > *****And is, in that context, is not perhaps your enemy but

your

> > > > competition.

> > > Oh, well. Some label it this, some label it that...

> > >

> > > >> Without attaching to a story we can see a person who has a

> > different

> > > >> political position as that, just as that, a person who

thinks

> > > >> differently, not as an ENEMY.

> > > > *****The ENEMY label arises when the other person's

political

> > postion

> > > > entails the active pursuit of your extermination:

Islamofacisim,

> > > > Nazis, any extremist belief system which says, " THIS is the

way.

> > > > Either adopt it. Or die. ..... No.....you can't just move

> away.

> > > > THAT'S not sufficient. The world MUST be rid of 'your kind'

in

> > order

> > > > for me to be 'right' with God. "

> > > > *****There are motives other than religious as well.

> > E.g., " nation

> > > > building " (sometimes under the guise of " for the good of

> > mankind " ).

> > > > The USA hasn't escape such atrocities either. Recall the

> > doctrine

> > > > of " Manifest Destiny " which was used, in part, to justify

the

> > almost

> > > > genocide-like extermination of the Native Americans.

> > > I think you can become more accurate than that.

> > >

> > > The way I heard it, the question wasn't about WHO YOUR enemy

is,

> > but

> > > WHAT an " enemy " is as such.

> > >

> > > It's anything that threatens to interfere with my dreams.

> > >

> > > Because I can only have an enemy, as long as there is anything

> > that

> > > could be taken away from me.

> > > If I had no dreams - or if I knew my dreams could not be

> > threatened

> > > by ANYTHING - what would an enemy look like?

> > >

> > > Which leaves us alone with thought.

> > >

> > > >> We want peace in the world? We can see everybody in the

light

> of

> > > >> what it is. Obviously we won't do that before the right

time,

> > that

> > > >> is, before we realize it.

> > > > *****Sure, everybody wants peace. No disagreement on THAT.

> You

> > want

> > > > peace, yes? So do I............as long as it is on MY

terms. ;-

> > ))

> > > And peace at every costs it is, then...

> > >

> > > So what is this peace everyone wants?

> > >

> > > Is it peace, when no bullets are fired? Is it peace, when no

one

> > hits

> > > anyone else? Is it, when no one hurts anyone else,

intentionally?

> > How

> > > would I see that?

> > >

> > > Now, my take on this is... as long as I don't have inner

peace,

> > with

> > > the world as such, even if there was world peace... I'd miss

it.

> > >

> > > Love,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ___________________________________________________________

> > > Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC:

> > http://messenger.yahoo.de

> > >

> >

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