Re: Order of DIS-EASE: The Domino Effect / My Opinion

[Guest guest]

When we learned about the mold in our house, my doctor told me we

needed to see an environmental doctor to treat our allergies. The

first thing he said after hearing my story of 4 1/2 years of mold

exposure was " This hammered your immune system. " I suppose I'll be

taking shots until my funeral. In other words, I agree with you.

--- In , " gsgrl2000 " <gsgrl2000@...>

wrote:

>

> Because this is a mold support group what I am about to say is

based

> on mold exposure and my personal experience as well as my

daughter's

> experience.

>

> I have a profound knowing that the mold (mycotoxins,

trichothecenes,

> stachy, aspergillus, etc. or whatever or however you want to

classify

> them or call them) in my apartment that my daughter and I have been

> exposed to caused the breakdown of our immune system which then

> caused the chronic infections (whether it be herpes, yeast, sinus,

> etc.), the chronic fatigue (CFS, Fibromyalgia, etc.), the hormone

> imbalances (rashes, reproductive issues, menstrual abnormalities,

> endometriosis, cysts, infertility, etc.), the central nervous

system

> problems, etc. (headaches, migraines, dizziness, blurred vision,

> memory loss, etc.) and the digestive problems (IBS, gastritis,

> constipation, diarrhea, etc.)...... It's the " domino-effect " . . . .

[Guest guest]

I think what could be genetic is how strong our immune system is or

other features that are passed down genetically that determines our

weaknesses and strength and adaptability to environmental changes.

However I also think most diseases are caused by pathogens rather

than anything genetics. I believe also that the genetic link to

cancer that we are all asked about, did our mother have cancer, etc.

may end up being did we all live in same place or area, where there

were toxic chemicals (or mold) rather than we are related. I do

believe in your domino effect. It functions in many other things in

life. One problem will get you ten, if not solved quickly...and I

sought help immediately but it took forever to find, so I was

sicker. Like mold problem..using that as problem no 1 gets you job

problem, financial problem, house problem, multiple health problem,

loss of social support system as friends and family who don't

understand exit your life...I can go on. It is really hard to

overcome this due to domino effect, that and the famous " vicous

circle " ...another phenom that is hard to get out of.

The only thing I feel ahead in, is at least I know what is wrong,

*basically anyway and what to avoid. I am not well but I feel sooo

much better than I did. If I get around things I know I shouldn't

be around, I feel worse and if I have more than a moderate amount of

carbs, I feel worse and I understand it. I meet people who seem

sickly and have same symptoms and they don't have a clue. I brought

up subject with a friend who lost her husband not long ago to cancer

and she had cancer too, maybe environmental, and perhaps she should

see an alternative or environmental doctor and she said defensively,

perhaps because she lost her husband, " I have full faith in my

doctor " . This year she joined a joga class to " get toxins out " , so

perhaps will move in that direction eventually.

--- In , " gsgrl2000 " <gsgrl2000@...>

wrote:

>

> Because this is a mold support group what I am about to say is

based

> on mold exposure and my personal experience as well as my

daughter's

> experience.

>

> I have a profound knowing that the mold (mycotoxins,

trichothecenes,

> stachy, aspergillus, etc. or whatever or however you want to

classify

> them or call them) in my apartment that my daughter and I have

been

> exposed to caused the breakdown of our immune system which then

> caused the chronic infections (whether it be herpes, yeast, sinus,

> etc.), the chronic fatigue (CFS, Fibromyalgia, etc.), the hormone

> imbalances (rashes, reproductive issues, menstrual abnormalities,

> endometriosis, cysts, infertility, etc.), the central nervous

system

> problems, etc. (headaches, migraines, dizziness, blurred vision,

> memory loss, etc.) and the digestive problems (IBS, gastritis,

> constipation, diarrhea, etc.)...... It's the " domino-effect " . I

also

> know that my grandmother, who has Alzheimer's / Dementia, has all

the

[Guest guest]

Thanks!

>

> When we learned about the mold in our house, my doctor told me we

> needed to see an environmental doctor to treat our allergies.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your response. I only hope more and more of those who are

not on this group start listening to those of us who are and

understand this domino-effect and environmental connection. And I

agree 100% that the reason why we are asked if there is a family

history of cancer or arthritis, for example, is because it is

environmental and not genetic. Living in the same place (environment)

is the key.

>

> I think what could be genetic is how strong our immune system is or

> other features that are passed down genetically that determines our

> weaknesses and strength and adaptability to environmental changes.

[Guest guest]

> " This hammered your immune system "

, that is the most concise short description I've heard to date.

Thank you.

Not many people realize that the immune system is essential to life itself.

Without it, we are toast.

Dana, it's not as complicated as many people make it out to be. The molds

have competed with each other for millions of years by making toxins to kill

each other - and all other living things, off. Its not your fault because of

'your' genetics. All human beings have genetics and we all react to toxins

of the many thousands of kinds. None of these toxins is nontoxic for some

and toxic for others. They all hurt everybody. Everybody has a different

profile of what their body does to react when they are naiive to a new

poison, and when they have been overloaded by it again and again its

different. The body says 'NO MORE'.

Thats where most of us are at.

I think ultimately, we will ALL, even the insurance companies, etc. realize

that zero tolerance is that only road when dealing with these toxins,

because any other approaches will have loopholes that the insurance

companies, builders, landlords, etc. of the world will drive trucks through

and that will make it impossible for people to get help to get situations

like the apartment you used to live in fixed without having to move. Money

is very powerful in this country and it can even pay for people to spend

huge amounts of energy forming fake grassroots groups etc. and actively

obfuscating issues so that they don't get resolved for years longer.

[Guest guest]

You all make some very valid points and believe me it's been discussed

many times over the years, with many different professionals,

advocates and individuals like yourself. The one's that have the

inside scoop on the first hand affects of. Everyone that is sick

knows in great detail how it has effected them and the way it has

effect others. Many physicians still are not listening. But also,

there are many new ones that are.

Hereditary, genetics, I'm beginning to frown on these two terms

because they are used often when physicians don't have any other

answers. Yes, I do believe genetics make some more susceptiable than

others, but over time that doesn't mean they won't get sick, whether

it is mycotoxins or manmade chemicals. We all have a limit, but we

don't know what that is until it is too late. Those that are

nonbelievers will find out the same way we did, darn, I knew I should

have listened.

Cancer and many other illnesses, how much of this is really connected

to genetics or hereditary? I guess you could call some illnesses

hereditary if great-great-greatgrandma (pa) lived in a mold infested

bungalow, shanty or tent, why wouldn't they pass these toxins on for

generations.?

One reason why I question what are the reasons physicians are giving

for severe illnesses when they can't blame it on smoking, secondhand

smoke, alcohol,especially for those that have lived an outstanding,

healthy life. Exercised, didn't experiment with any of the " vices " and

they are very young, but yet they have been diagnosed with breast

cancer and/or many autoimmune diseases. It's a shame we all have to

experience this first hand to understand how our systems work and they

go hand and hand, you know the hip bone connected to the knee bone,

etc., the snowball effect. Many physicians can't even grasp this and

don't continue to investigate. Oh, take this drug, this will take care

of all of it. That just tells me you are ignorant/misguided and/or

just don't know or you might have to spend another 10 minutes with me

as a patient and go past your alloted time.

We need more physicians not only to investigate our illness, along

with many other diseases, but also to directly work on rebuilding our

immune system. This would be better than any medication.

KC

> >

> > I think what could be genetic is how strong our immune system is or

> > other features that are passed down genetically that determines our

> > weaknesses and strength and adaptability to environmental changes.

>

[Guest guest]

Your right Live. Toxins are dangerous to everyone. I gues what I was

saying is that because of people's individual immune systems some

people are more able to tolerate them than others but I do think that

eventually the toxins win, sort of speak. It may take until your

ninety, like my grandmother, but eventually the toxins will kill you.

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> > " This hammered your immune system "

>

> , that is the most concise short description I've heard to

date.

> Thank you.

>

> Not many people realize that the immune system is essential to life

itself.

> Without it, we are toast.

>

> Dana, it's not as complicated as many people make it out to be. The

molds

> have competed with each other for millions of years by making toxins

to kill

> each other - and all other living things, off. Its not your fault