Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Strangely [or, maybe not that strangely...]... My wife many times expressed lot of anger in her talks and I feel big abandonment and total disrespect and neglect in her language as I hear her and I " analyze " [which happens almost instantly and automatically] what she said. Yet, when I meet her just few minutes later I only notice warmth, acceptance, openness, love and longing in her the body level! At " intellectual " level whenever she expressed her anger in speech... I felt abandonment and loss yet; at [body] feeling level I never felt that from her. However, situation was quite different from my side, I was generally very " reserved " , " thoughtful " , " respectful " and quite " logical " in my speech and I rarely said very hateful things yet, at body level my wife felt total detachment, abandonment and rejection after the episode of anger was over. And, I do thing she was right in sensing that. I, in fact, had abandoned my wife internally in those situations. I guess, perhaps openly expressing her anger made my wife totally free of them once she had exhausted them [though, she did do it again after few hours or few days] and trying to " hold " it and only expressing what I " should " express left lot of unexpressed anger and resentment in my own body! However, I fear[ed] that if I too openly expressed my anger at the same time; we might have a real " blast " and things can turn really Violent! On a side note, I do see that in the " nature " the " aggressor " has HUGE advantage over those who only " receive " , " respond " or " react " to it. Often a aggressor has the advantage of time, opportunity has way to develop its 'arsenal' and once the " attack " is over the aggressor is really " free " . Whereas, the " other " is always hugely lagging behind and is busy in repair, recuperation and recovery. And, the moment they feel they have almost recovered they are " attacked " again! Those who just play the role " tolerating " not only get destroyed by the aggression but also by the poisonous residue of their own unexpressed and unreleased " natural " emotions! Perhaps, it is no surprise that jungles are dominated by " aggressive " animals... Seas are dominated by aggressive creatures. History of humanity has been dominated by aggressive tribes, cultures, people and races. Politics, business and corporations are dominated by " aggressive " parties, companies and people. Maybe, it is by " design " and not by " accident " ... Maybe, this is how " nature " really wants it! Aggressors rule... at least this is the way it seems to have happened most of the times! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 > > > Perhaps, it is no surprise that > jungles are dominated by " aggressive " > animals... > Seas are dominated by aggressive > creatures. Is that true? Elephants dominate the jungle and they seem pretty passive only eating tree foliage. Whales dominate the oceans and they only eat plankton. > > History of humanity has been dominated > by aggressive tribes, cultures, people > and races. Seems to me that humanity has been dominated, by peaceful people who stopped the aggressive ones. So far the " bad " guys have ultimately lost. > > Politics, business and corporations > are dominated by " aggressive " parties, > companies and people. > " Aggressive " political parties rarely get elected, normally the safe middle of the road ones do. As for bussinesses and corporations, they all seem pretty peaceful to me, just doing a job and making a profit. Always nice to question our stories " There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. " Byron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 lovetheworkofbk wrote.. " As for businesses and corporations, they all seem pretty peaceful to me, just doing a job and making a profit. " B replied.... Businesses that have stockholders are responsible for making a profit for those stockholders. That seems peaceful to me. It is their mission, their reality. Such companies are not in business to save the world or start wars. If that becomes what they are doing, they tend to fail and eventually disappear, or their directors direct them to change direction and reinvent themselves. I do The Work and change direction, reinvent my stories. I end my war with reality and find peace. --- lovetheworkofbk wrote: > > > > > > > Perhaps, it is no surprise that > > jungles are dominated by " aggressive " > > animals... > > Seas are dominated by aggressive > > creatures. > > Is that true? > > Elephants dominate the jungle and they seem pretty > passive only > eating tree foliage. > Whales dominate the oceans and they only eat > plankton. > > > > > > History of humanity has been dominated > > by aggressive tribes, cultures, people > > and races. > > > Seems to me that humanity has been dominated, by > peaceful people who > stopped the aggressive ones. So far the " bad " guys > have ultimately > lost. > > > > > > Politics, business and corporations > > are dominated by " aggressive " parties, > > companies and people. > > > > " Aggressive " political parties rarely get elected, > normally the safe > middle of the road ones do. As for bussinesses and > corporations, > they all seem pretty peaceful to me, just doing a > job and making a > profit. > > Always nice to question our stories > > > " There's nothing between you and love but > unquestioned concepts. " > Byron > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Wow, you sure do spend a lot of time running stories and " analyzing " everything. Can you be absolutely certain that your conclusions are accurate. I recommend you just select one incident and really look at it (preferably using the Work.) You might find that all this time you are putting in isn't serving you that well in terms of making you happy. Vivian Re: " reserved " and " open " ! Strangely [or, maybe not that strangely...]... My wife many times expressed lot of anger in her talks and I feel big abandonment and total disrespect and neglect in her language as I hear her and I " analyze " [which happens almost instantly and automatically] what she said. Yet, when I meet her just few minutes later I only notice warmth, acceptance, openness, love and longing in her the body level! At " intellectual " level whenever she expressed her anger in speech... I felt abandonment and loss yet; at [body] feeling level I never felt that from her. However, situation was quite different from my side, I was generally very " reserved " , " thoughtful " , " respectful " and quite " logical " in my speech and I rarely said very hateful things yet, at body level my wife felt total detachment, abandonment and rejection after the episode of anger was over. And, I do thing she was right in sensing that. I, in fact, had abandoned my wife internally in those situations. I guess, perhaps openly expressing her anger made my wife totally free of them once she had exhausted them [though, she did do it again after few hours or few days] and trying to " hold " it and only expressing what I " should " express left lot of unexpressed anger and resentment in my own body! However, I fear[ed] that if I too openly expressed my anger at the same time; we might have a real " blast " and things can turn really Violent! On a side note, I do see that in the " nature " the " aggressor " has HUGE advantage over those who only " receive " , " respond " or " react " to it. Often a aggressor has the advantage of time, opportunity has way to develop its 'arsenal' and once the " attack " is over the aggressor is really " free " . Whereas, the " other " is always hugely lagging behind and is busy in repair, recuperation and recovery. And, the moment they feel they have almost recovered they are " attacked " again! Those who just play the role " tolerating " not only get destroyed by the aggression but also by the poisonous residue of their own unexpressed and unreleased " natural " emotions! Perhaps, it is no surprise that jungles are dominated by " aggressive " animals... Seas are dominated by aggressive creatures. History of humanity has been dominated by aggressive tribes, cultures, people and races. Politics, business and corporations are dominated by " aggressive " parties, companies and people. Maybe, it is by " design " and not by " accident " ... Maybe, this is how " nature " really wants it! Aggressors rule... at least this is the way it seems to have happened most of the times! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 hm. i drop in rose's two cents. > lovetheworkofbk wrote.. " As for businesses and > corporations, they all seem pretty peaceful to me, > just doing a job and making a profit. " > > B replied.... > Businesses that have stockholders are responsible for > making a profit for those stockholders. That seems > peaceful to me. It is their mission, their reality. > > Such companies are not in business to save the world > or start wars. If that becomes what they are doing, > they tend to fail and eventually disappear, or their > directors direct them to change direction and reinvent > themselves. *** i've read that several times. i wonder. i ponder. hm. ???? is what you write really true? i scratch my head. franks second paragraph is it that makes me thinking. well what about war stuff industry? rr > > I do The Work and change direction, reinvent my > stories. I end my war with reality and find peace. > > > --- lovetheworkofbk wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps, it is no surprise that > > > jungles are dominated by " aggressive " > > > animals... > > > Seas are dominated by aggressive > > > creatures. > > > > Is that true? > > > > Elephants dominate the jungle and they seem pretty > > passive only > > eating tree foliage. > > Whales dominate the oceans and they only eat > > plankton. > > > > > > > > > > History of humanity has been dominated > > > by aggressive tribes, cultures, people > > > and races. > > > > > > Seems to me that humanity has been dominated, by > > peaceful people who > > stopped the aggressive ones. So far the " bad " guys > > have ultimately > > lost. > > > > > > > > > > Politics, business and corporations > > > are dominated by " aggressive " parties, > > > companies and people. > > > > > > > " Aggressive " political parties rarely get elected, > > normally the safe > > middle of the road ones do. As for bussinesses and > > corporations, > > they all seem pretty peaceful to me, just doing a > > job and making a > > profit. > > > > Always nice to question our stories > > > > > > " There's nothing between you and love but > > unquestioned concepts. " > > Byron > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 > > Wow, you sure do spend a lot of time running stories and " analyzing " everything. In " whose " mind " analysis " is taking place when I had this thought and wrote that message? [in " whose " mind the 'story' of 'me running story' is running as you think and write this thought?] Just kidding... I do analyze a lot! I am that kind of person. I am not sure if can or " should " stop it. I think I am " already " the person I am and, I don't really get to " choose " it! Can I be " you " ? Can I be " like you " ? Can I think exactly like you? I don't think so. Can someone else new " like me " ? I don't think so. Should I be like " someone else " ? Should someone else be " like me " ? I don't think so. As I read somewhere... You are prefect in being perfectly yourself! Everybody is doing " his/her " job perfectly! ....including your job of 'analyzing " me who seem to analyze and me replying that yes, this is 'who I am' and I am not sure if should or can change it! Love, ac. > Can you be absolutely certain that your conclusions are accurate. > I recommend you just select one incident and really look at it (preferably using the Work.) > > You might find that all this time you are putting in isn't serving you that well in terms of making you happy. > > Vivian [...] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 frank, i am waiting for your response. what is with all the pollution that is done to this planet, in the effort to make " good " financial statements? what with the unemployement to the people fired to make good balances. what with all the demimonde or underworld (got these terms from the dic, hope they match) there seems to me no ful peace. there seems to be at least ambivalence. well. i sometimes wonder if the work is used or abused to belittle things. saying it's allright. it's all god. in the long run. yes. it is all god. but then don't we need to say that. say that god is the nazi, it is the victim, it is the weapon and it is the medicine....the peace and the war. well. just puttin in here my two cents. nothing more. i ponder about these things. that's all. lr > hm. i drop in rose's two cents. > > > lovetheworkofbk wrote.. " As for businesses and > > corporations, they all seem pretty peaceful to me, > > just doing a job and making a profit. " > > > > B replied.... > > Businesses that have stockholders are responsible for > > making a profit for those stockholders. That seems > > peaceful to me. It is their mission, their reality. > > > > Such companies are not in business to save the world > > or start wars. If that becomes what they are doing, > > they tend to fail and eventually disappear, or their > > directors direct them to change direction and reinvent > > themselves. > > > *** i've read that several times. i wonder. i ponder. hm. > ???? > is what you write really true? > i scratch my head. > franks second paragraph is it that makes me thinking. > well what about war stuff industry? > > rr > > > > I do The Work and change direction, reinvent my > > stories. I end my war with reality and find peace. > > > > > > --- lovetheworkofbk <lovetheworkofbk@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps, it is no surprise that > > > > jungles are dominated by " aggressive " > > > > animals... > > > > Seas are dominated by aggressive > > > > creatures. > > > > > > Is that true? > > > > > > Elephants dominate the jungle and they seem pretty > > > passive only > > > eating tree foliage. > > > Whales dominate the oceans and they only eat > > > plankton. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History of humanity has been dominated > > > > by aggressive tribes, cultures, people > > > > and races. > > > > > > > > > Seems to me that humanity has been dominated, by > > > peaceful people who > > > stopped the aggressive ones. So far the " bad " guys > > > have ultimately > > > lost. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Politics, business and corporations > > > > are dominated by " aggressive " parties, > > > > companies and people. > > > > > > > > > > " Aggressive " political parties rarely get elected, > > > normally the safe > > > middle of the road ones do. As for bussinesses and > > > corporations, > > > they all seem pretty peaceful to me, just doing a > > > job and making a > > > profit. > > > > > > Always nice to question our stories > > > > > > > > > " There's nothing between you and love but > > > unquestioned concepts. " > > > Byron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Sure... And, then, there are tobacco companies, liquor companies, 'small scale' cocaine selling to minors 'enterprises'... Automobile companies who bought public transport to bankrupt it so that they could keep selling " more " cars irrespective what it means for pollution, petroleum reserves, global warming, future generation... there are food and beverage companies who mixed 'harmful' but 'addictive' substances into their food/beverage so that people will buy and consume them more... [Psychological advertising industry that in many " documented " and " proven " and " self confessed " instances worked simply to increase 'consumption' without 'increasing utility' irrespective of how much " industrial waste " that it created...] All to stay true to their " purpose " [of making profits]! And, then what about the " purpose " of a 'rapist' whose " purpose " is really to " rape " ... After all, he too is truly not working for 'world peace' but, is simply being " true " to his 'purpose'! Or, a serial killer whose 'purpose' is to 'kill'... examples are pretty much countless! And, we can find great " justification " for pretty much all of them and we can even 'argue' endlessly on how " good " they are about each of them! Yet, I find it kind of fascinating that why 'common' [who don't make money by doing it] people like us have to use BIG " philosophical concepts' to " hide " simple everyday facts that would seem quite obvious to pretty much anyone! Maybe, we too have got into this habit of 'lying' endlessly and now it has just become a part an parcel of 'who we are' and we have simply lost the other perspective! Maybe, now we use even " philosophical concepts " simply to support our 'lies' and to keep 'feeling good' about our lies! Or, maybe, just accepting that life is as is and it doesn't need to 'conform' to any philosophical concept that we might have [or somebody else can make] about it... is too painful for us! And, not being able to accept that, we simply use " philosophical concepts " to 'cover up' what is too painful for us to see! Yet, I see no reason for these " complexities " ! I know that I don't get to really " choose " them! I know I don't get to decide them! I know that I pretty much don't " create " anything! I know that even I myself [how I think, feel, behave and express] is simply " created " by the same What_Is! Yet, I think it is fine looking at things and accepting them as they are... not " needing " to " polish " them, " twist " them to make them appear in a way that can support my 'philosophical concept'! I don't have to " twist " something to just make them " appear " to match the view that I " already " have! That is the " professional " job of many lawyers, PR agents, salesman, marketing people, negotiators ....and, many of them do a " wonderful " job and are quite efficient in doing so! Yet, I see no " pressing " reason to use that 'skill' everywhere in my life and no 'justify' every 'lie' that I might feel I might be part of! [NNB] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps, it is no surprise that > > > > > > jungles are dominated by " aggressive " > > > > > > animals... > > > > > > Seas are dominated by aggressive > > > > > > creatures. > > > > > > > > > > Is that true? > > > > > > > > > > Elephants dominate the jungle and they seem pretty > > > > > passive only > > > > > eating tree foliage. > > > > > Whales dominate the oceans and they only eat > > > > > plankton. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History of humanity has been dominated > > > > > > by aggressive tribes, cultures, people > > > > > > and races. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seems to me that humanity has been dominated, by > > > > > peaceful people who > > > > > stopped the aggressive ones. So far the " bad " guys > > > > > have ultimately > > > > > lost. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Politics, business and corporations > > > > > > are dominated by " aggressive " parties, > > > > > > companies and people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Aggressive " political parties rarely get elected, > > > > > normally the safe > > > > > middle of the road ones do. As for bussinesses and > > > > > corporations, > > > > > they all seem pretty peaceful to me, just doing a > > > > > job and making a > > > > > profit. > > > > > > > > > > Always nice to question our stories > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " There's nothing between you and love but > > > > > unquestioned concepts. " > > > > > Byron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 It seems like reality to me. I do not argue with reality. Wasn't what Hitler did reality? That does not mean what he did was positive, just that he did what he did. Same thing with businesses that might offend you. If I believe that reality/what is sucks, that is a signal for me to do The Work. B --- gitoros wrote: > frank, i am waiting for your response. > what is with all the pollution that is done to this > planet, in the > effort to make " good " financial statements? > what with the unemployement to the people fired to > make good balances. > what with all the demimonde or underworld (got these > terms from the > dic, hope they match) > there seems to me no ful peace. there seems to be at > least > ambivalence. > well. > i sometimes wonder if the work is used or abused to > belittle things. > saying it's allright. it's all god. > in the long run. yes. it is all god. but then don't > we need to say > that. > say that god is the nazi, it is the victim, it is > the weapon and it > is the medicine....the peace and the war. > well. just puttin in here my two cents. nothing > more. i ponder about > these things. that's all. > lr > > > > hm. i drop in rose's two cents. > > > > > lovetheworkofbk wrote.. " As for businesses and > > > corporations, they all seem pretty peaceful to > me, > > > just doing a job and making a profit. " > > > > > > B replied.... > > > Businesses that have stockholders are > responsible for > > > making a profit for those stockholders. That > seems > > > peaceful to me. It is their mission, their > reality. > > > > > > Such companies are not in business to save the > world > > > or start wars. If that becomes what they are > doing, > > > they tend to fail and eventually disappear, or > their > > > directors direct them to change direction and > reinvent > > > themselves. > > > > > > *** i've read that several times. i wonder. i > ponder. hm. > > ???? > > is what you write really true? > > i scratch my head. > > franks second paragraph is it that makes me > thinking. > > well what about war stuff industry? > > > > rr > > > > > > I do The Work and change direction, reinvent my > > > stories. I end my war with reality and find > peace. > > > > > > > > > --- lovetheworkofbk <lovetheworkofbk@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps, it is no surprise that > > > > > jungles are dominated by " aggressive " > > > > > animals... > > > > > Seas are dominated by aggressive > > > > > creatures. > > > > > > > > Is that true? > > > > > > > > Elephants dominate the jungle and they seem > pretty > > > > passive only > > > > eating tree foliage. > > > > Whales dominate the oceans and they only eat > > > > plankton. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History of humanity has been dominated > > > > > by aggressive tribes, cultures, people > > > > > and races. > > > > > > > > > > > > Seems to me that humanity has been dominated, > by > > > > peaceful people who > > > > stopped the aggressive ones. So far the " bad " > guys > > > > have ultimately > > > > lost. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Politics, business and corporations > > > > > are dominated by " aggressive " parties, > > > > > companies and people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Aggressive " political parties rarely get > elected, > > > > normally the safe > > > > middle of the road ones do. As for bussinesses > and > > > > corporations, > > > > they all seem pretty peaceful to me, just > doing a > > > > job and making a > > > > profit. > > > > > > > > Always nice to question our stories > > > > > > > > > > > > " There's nothing between you and love but > > > > unquestioned concepts. " > > > > Byron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 Fair enough. Good to know you are perfectly happy. Vivian Re: " reserved " and " open " ! > > Wow, you sure do spend a lot of time running stories and " analyzing " everything. In " whose " mind " analysis " is taking place when I had this thought and wrote that message? [in " whose " mind the 'story' of 'me running story' is running as you think and write this thought?] Just kidding... I do analyze a lot! I am that kind of person. I am not sure if can or " should " stop it. I think I am " already " the person I am and, I don't really get to " choose " it! Can I be " you " ? Can I be " like you " ? Can I think exactly like you? I don't think so. Can someone else new " like me " ? I don't think so. Should I be like " someone else " ? Should someone else be " like me " ? I don't think so. As I read somewhere... You are prefect in being perfectly yourself! Everybody is doing " his/her " job perfectly! ...including your job of 'analyzing " me who seem to analyze and me replying that yes, this is 'who I am' and I am not sure if should or can change it! Love, ac. > Can you be absolutely certain that your conclusions are accurate. > I recommend you just select one incident and really look at it (preferably using the Work.) > > You might find that all this time you are putting in isn't serving you that well in terms of making you happy. > > Vivian [...] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 again, hello frank and thanks for responding. i read the whole thing you wrote and i feel there is something somehow not " straight " . in the other posting you wrote: " Businesses that have stockholders are responsible for making a profit for those stockholders. That seems peaceful to me. It is their mission, their reality. " oh well. of course reality is what is. and if i don't like biting or barking dogs, well i just don't go to their area. well i guess most of us talk from a place, nice and warm, we've got food, a bed and a pc. are you a stockholder? lr > > Peace is when I am not running my stories, when I am > accepting what is. If I am not finding peace, I do The > Work. > > Peace isn't the business of industries. Their business > is to make a profit for stockholders. President Bush's > business is to be who he is, not what I might want him > to be. If I am upset about a world or business leader, > I am out of my business and do The Work. > > President Bush shouldn't invade Iraq. Is that true? > The reality is that he invaded Iraq. That does not > make it right or wrong, just that he did what he did. > What do I get when I argue with reality, I go to war > ... in my mind. > > B > > > --- gitoros wrote: > > > frank, > > > > i'm laying in bed watching god and generals. a movie > > about the > > american war around slavary time. > > quite interesting. > > thanks for responding at all. that's not > > commoncourtesy here on that > > board i've noticed, so i mention it to express my > > appreciation that > > you spend your time to do it. > > ok. > > now regarding your conent. > > well - we were talking about peace in the beginning. > > at least that's > > what triggered me to join. > > i miss your statement regarding this. > > could you come back for it, please. > > > > thanks for reading this far. > > > > lr > > > > not revised > > > > > > > It seems like reality to me. I do not argue with > > > reality. Wasn't what Hitler did reality? That does > > not > > > mean what he did was positive, just that he did > > what > > > he did. Same thing with businesses that might > > offend > > > you. > > > > > > If I believe that reality/what is sucks, that is a > > > signal for me to do The Work. > > > > > > B > > > > > > --- gitoros <gitoros@> wrote: > > > > > > > frank, i am waiting for your response. > > > > what is with all the pollution that is done to > > this > > > > planet, in the > > > > effort to make " good " financial statements? > > > > what with the unemployement to the people fired > > to > > > > make good balances. > > > > what with all the demimonde or underworld (got > > these > > > > terms from the > > > > dic, hope they match) > > > > there seems to me no ful peace. there seems to > > be at > > > > least > > > > ambivalence. > > > > well. > > > > i sometimes wonder if the work is used or abused > > to > > > > belittle things. > > > > saying it's allright. it's all god. > > > > in the long run. yes. it is all god. but then > > don't > > > > we need to say > > > > that. > > > > say that god is the nazi, it is the victim, it > > is > > > > the weapon and it > > > > is the medicine....the peace and the war. > > > > well. just puttin in here my two cents. nothing > > > > more. i ponder about > > > > these things. that's all. > > > > lr > > > > > > > > > > > > > hm. i drop in rose's two cents. > > > > > > > > > > > lovetheworkofbk wrote.. " As for businesses > > and > > > > > > corporations, they all seem pretty peaceful > > to > > > > me, > > > > > > just doing a job and making a profit. " > > > > > > > > > > > > B replied.... > > > > > > Businesses that have stockholders are > > > > responsible for > > > > > > making a profit for those stockholders. That > > > > seems > > > > > > peaceful to me. It is their mission, their > > > > reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > Such companies are not in business to save > > the > > > > world > > > > > > or start wars. If that becomes what they are > > > > doing, > > > > > > they tend to fail and eventually disappear, > > or > > > > their > > > > > > directors direct them to change direction > > and > > > > reinvent > > > > > > themselves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** i've read that several times. i wonder. i > > > > ponder. hm. > > > > > ???? > > > > > is what you write really true? > > > > > i scratch my head. > > > > > franks second paragraph is it that makes me > > > > thinking. > > > > > well what about war stuff industry? > > > > > > > > > > rr > > > > > > > > > > > > I do The Work and change direction, reinvent > > my > > > > > > stories. I end my war with reality and find > > > > peace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- lovetheworkofbk <lovetheworkofbk@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps, it is no surprise that > > > > > > > > jungles are dominated by " aggressive " > > > > > > > > animals... > > > > > > > > Seas are dominated by aggressive > > > > > > > > creatures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is that true? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Elephants dominate the jungle and they > > seem > > > > pretty > > > > > > > passive only > > > > > > > eating tree foliage. > > > > > > > Whales dominate the oceans and they only > > eat > > > > > > > plankton. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History of humanity has been dominated > > > > > > > > by aggressive tribes, cultures, people > > > > > > > > and races. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seems to me that humanity has been > > dominated, > > > > by > > > > > > > peaceful people who > > > > > > > stopped the aggressive ones. So far the > > " bad " > > > > guys > > > > > > > have ultimately > > > > > > > lost. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Politics, business and corporations > > > > > > > > are dominated by " aggressive " parties, > > > > > > > > companies and people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Aggressive " political parties rarely get > > > > elected, > > > > > > > normally the safe > > > > > > > middle of the road ones do. As for > > bussinesses > > > > and > > > > > > > corporations, > > > > > > > they all seem pretty peaceful to me, just > > > > doing a > > > > > > > job and making a > > > > > > > profit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Always nice to question our stories > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " There's nothing between you and love but > > > > > > > unquestioned concepts. " > > > > > > > Byron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 Rose, At least six times in recent weeks, your reply to one of my posts has asked me to run a story about something. The latest, are you a stockholder? The real answer to that for you would be your story, not mine. Yes, I am a stockholder, to answer your question. B --- gitoros wrote: > again, hello frank and thanks for responding. > > i read the whole thing you wrote and i feel there is > something somehow > not " straight " . > > in the other posting you wrote: > > " Businesses that have stockholders are responsible > for > making a profit for those stockholders. That seems > peaceful to me. It is their mission, their reality. " > > oh well. of course reality is what is. and if i > don't like biting or > barking dogs, well i just don't go to their area. > well i guess most of us talk from a place, nice and > warm, we've got > food, a bed and a pc. > > are you a stockholder? > > lr > > > > > > Peace is when I am not running my stories, when I > am > > accepting what is. If I am not finding peace, I do > The > > Work. > > > > Peace isn't the business of industries. Their > business > > is to make a profit for stockholders. President > Bush's > > business is to be who he is, not what I might want > him > > to be. If I am upset about a world or business > leader, > > I am out of my business and do The Work. > > > > President Bush shouldn't invade Iraq. Is that > true? > > The reality is that he invaded Iraq. That does not > > make it right or wrong, just that he did what he > did. > > What do I get when I argue with reality, I go to > war > > ... in my mind. > > > > B > > > > > > --- gitoros wrote: > > > > > frank, > > > > > > i'm laying in bed watching god and generals. a > movie > > > about the > > > american war around slavary time. > > > quite interesting. > > > thanks for responding at all. that's not > > > commoncourtesy here on that > > > board i've noticed, so i mention it to express > my > > > appreciation that > > > you spend your time to do it. > > > ok. > > > now regarding your conent. > > > well - we were talking about peace in the > beginning. > > > at least that's > > > what triggered me to join. > > > i miss your statement regarding this. > > > could you come back for it, please. > > > > > > thanks for reading this far. > > > > > > lr > > > > > > not revised > > > > > > > > > > It seems like reality to me. I do not argue > with > > > > reality. Wasn't what Hitler did reality? That > does > > > not > > > > mean what he did was positive, just that he > did > > > what > > > > he did. Same thing with businesses that might > > > offend > > > > you. > > > > > > > > If I believe that reality/what is sucks, that > is a > > > > signal for me to do The Work. > > > > > > > > B > > > > > > > > --- gitoros <gitoros@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > frank, i am waiting for your response. > > > > > what is with all the pollution that is done > to > > > this > > > > > planet, in the > > > > > effort to make " good " financial statements? > > > > > what with the unemployement to the people > fired > > > to > > > > > make good balances. > > > > > what with all the demimonde or underworld > (got > > > these > > > > > terms from the > > > > > dic, hope they match) > > > > > there seems to me no ful peace. there seems > to > > > be at > > > > > least > > > > > ambivalence. > > > > > well. > > > > > i sometimes wonder if the work is used or > abused > > > to > > > > > belittle things. > > > > > saying it's allright. it's all god. > > > > > in the long run. yes. it is all god. but > then > > > don't > > > > > we need to say > > > > > that. > > > > > say that god is the nazi, it is the victim, > it > > > is > > > > > the weapon and it > > > > > is the medicine....the peace and the war. > > > > > well. just puttin in here my two cents. > nothing > > > > > more. i ponder about > > > > > these things. that's all. > > > > > lr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hm. i drop in rose's two cents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > lovetheworkofbk wrote.. " As for > businesses > > > and > > > > > > > corporations, they all seem pretty > peaceful > > > to > > > > > me, > > > > > > > just doing a job and making a profit. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B replied.... > > > > > > > Businesses that have stockholders are > > > > > responsible for > > > > > > > making a profit for those stockholders. > That > > > > > seems > > > > > > > peaceful to me. It is their mission, > their > > > > > reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such companies are not in business to > save > > > the > > > > > world > > > > > > > or start wars. If that becomes what they > are > > > > > doing, > > > > > > > they tend to fail and eventually > disappear, > > > or > > > > > their > > > > > > > directors direct them to change > direction > > > and > > > > > reinvent > > > > > > > themselves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** i've read that several times. i > wonder. i > > > > > ponder. hm. > > > > > > ???? > > > > > > is what you write really true? > > > > > > i scratch my head. > > > > > > franks second paragraph is it that makes > me > > > > > thinking. > > > > > > well what about war stuff industry? > > > > > > > > > > > > rr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do The Work and change direction, > reinvent > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 Sweet Rose, You write that something somehow is not straight. Your impression of what I wrote has nothing to do with me. Turn this around. Look in the mirror. Will you see my face or yours? B --- gitoros wrote: > again, hello frank and thanks for responding. > > i read the whole thing you wrote and i feel there is > something somehow > not " straight " . > > in the other posting you wrote: > > " Businesses that have stockholders are responsible > for > making a profit for those stockholders. That seems > peaceful to me. It is their mission, their reality. " > > oh well. of course reality is what is. and if i > don't like biting or > barking dogs, well i just don't go to their area. > well i guess most of us talk from a place, nice and > warm, we've got > food, a bed and a pc. > > are you a stockholder? > > lr > > > > > > Peace is when I am not running my stories, when I > am > > accepting what is. If I am not finding peace, I do > The > > Work. > > > > Peace isn't the business of industries. Their > business > > is to make a profit for stockholders. President > Bush's > > business is to be who he is, not what I might want > him > > to be. If I am upset about a world or business > leader, > > I am out of my business and do The Work. > > > > President Bush shouldn't invade Iraq. Is that > true? > > The reality is that he invaded Iraq. That does not > > make it right or wrong, just that he did what he > did. > > What do I get when I argue with reality, I go to > war > > ... in my mind. > > > > B > > > > > > --- gitoros wrote: > > > > > frank, > > > > > > i'm laying in bed watching god and generals. a > movie > > > about the > > > american war around slavary time. > > > quite interesting. > > > thanks for responding at all. that's not > > > commoncourtesy here on that > > > board i've noticed, so i mention it to express > my > > > appreciation that > > > you spend your time to do it. > > > ok. > > > now regarding your conent. > > > well - we were talking about peace in the > beginning. > > > at least that's > > > what triggered me to join. > > > i miss your statement regarding this. > > > could you come back for it, please. > > > > > > thanks for reading this far. > > > > > > lr > > > > > > not revised > > > > > > > > > > It seems like reality to me. I do not argue > with > > > > reality. Wasn't what Hitler did reality? That > does > > > not > > > > mean what he did was positive, just that he > did > > > what > > > > he did. Same thing with businesses that might > > > offend > > > > you. > > > > > > > > If I believe that reality/what is sucks, that > is a > > > > signal for me to do The Work. > > > > > > > > B > > > > > > > > --- gitoros <gitoros@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > frank, i am waiting for your response. > > > > > what is with all the pollution that is done > to > > > this > > > > > planet, in the > > > > > effort to make " good " financial statements? > > > > > what with the unemployement to the people > fired > > > to > > > > > make good balances. > > > > > what with all the demimonde or underworld > (got > > > these > > > > > terms from the > > > > > dic, hope they match) > > > > > there seems to me no ful peace. there seems > to > > > be at > > > > > least > > > > > ambivalence. > > > > > well. > > > > > i sometimes wonder if the work is used or > abused > > > to > > > > > belittle things. > > > > > saying it's allright. it's all god. > > > > > in the long run. yes. it is all god. but > then > > > don't > > > > > we need to say > > > > > that. > > > > > say that god is the nazi, it is the victim, > it > > > is > > > > > the weapon and it > > > > > is the medicine....the peace and the war. > > > > > well. just puttin in here my two cents. > nothing > > > > > more. i ponder about > > > > > these things. that's all. > > > > > lr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hm. i drop in rose's two cents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > lovetheworkofbk wrote.. " As for > businesses > > > and > > > > > > > corporations, they all seem pretty > peaceful > > > to > > > > > me, > > > > > > > just doing a job and making a profit. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B replied.... > > > > > > > Businesses that have stockholders are > > > > > responsible for > > > > > > > making a profit for those stockholders. > That > > > > > seems > > > > > > > peaceful to me. It is their mission, > their > > > > > reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such companies are not in business to > save > > > the > > > > > world > > > > > > > or start wars. If that becomes what they > are > > > > > doing, > > > > > > > they tend to fail and eventually > disappear, > > > or > > > > > their > > > > > > > directors direct them to change > direction > > > and > > > > > reinvent > > > > > > > themselves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** i've read that several times. i > wonder. i > > > > > ponder. hm. > > > > > > ???? > > > > > > is what you write really true? > > > > > > i scratch my head. > > > > > > franks second paragraph is it that makes > me > > > > > thinking. > > > > > > well what about war stuff industry? > > > > > > > > > > > > rr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do The Work and change direction, > reinvent > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 hey frank. well. maybe we have somehow different understanding about the term " story " . i asked something that was possible to get answered by " yes or no, or no answer " . you said a yes. i noticed in my life that fantasies about other people are fantasies about other people. if i want to know something i ask. thanks for answering. to me being involved in/with katie's work doesn't mean that i get my mind synchronised with all she says. i am not into structures like that. and if i feel there is a lot about something i still don't buy automatically into a l l of it. let's say i am in an interaction and see what results and resonances it brings. thanks, lr > Rose, > > At least six times in recent weeks, your reply to one > of my posts has asked me to run a story about > something. The latest, are you a stockholder? > > The real answer to that for you would be your story, > not mine. Yes, I am a stockholder, to answer your > question. > > B > > --- gitoros wrote: > > > again, hello frank and thanks for responding. > > > > i read the whole thing you wrote and i feel there is > > something somehow > > not " straight " . > > > > in the other posting you wrote: > > > > " Businesses that have stockholders are responsible > > for > > making a profit for those stockholders. That seems > > peaceful to me. It is their mission, their reality. " > > > > oh well. of course reality is what is. and if i > > don't like biting or > > barking dogs, well i just don't go to their area. > > well i guess most of us talk from a place, nice and > > warm, we've got > > food, a bed and a pc. > > > > are you a stockholder? > > > > lr > > > > > > > > > > Peace is when I am not running my stories, when I > > am > > > accepting what is. If I am not finding peace, I do > > The > > > Work. > > > > > > Peace isn't the business of industries. Their > > business > > > is to make a profit for stockholders. President > > Bush's > > > business is to be who he is, not what I might want > > him > > > to be. If I am upset about a world or business > > leader, > > > I am out of my business and do The Work. > > > > > > President Bush shouldn't invade Iraq. Is that > > true? > > > The reality is that he invaded Iraq. That does not > > > make it right or wrong, just that he did what he > > did. > > > What do I get when I argue with reality, I go to > > war > > > ... in my mind. > > > > > > B > > > > > > > > > --- gitoros <gitoros@> wrote: > > > > > > > frank, > > > > > > > > i'm laying in bed watching god and generals. a > > movie > > > > about the > > > > american war around slavary time. > > > > quite interesting. > > > > thanks for responding at all. that's not > > > > commoncourtesy here on that > > > > board i've noticed, so i mention it to express > > my > > > > appreciation that > > > > you spend your time to do it. > > > > ok. > > > > now regarding your conent. > > > > well - we were talking about peace in the > > beginning. > > > > at least that's > > > > what triggered me to join. > > > > i miss your statement regarding this. > > > > could you come back for it, please. > > > > > > > > thanks for reading this far. > > > > > > > > lr > > > > > > > > not revised > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems like reality to me. I do not argue > > with > > > > > reality. Wasn't what Hitler did reality? That > > does > > > > not > > > > > mean what he did was positive, just that he > > did > > > > what > > > > > he did. Same thing with businesses that might > > > > offend > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > If I believe that reality/what is sucks, that > > is a > > > > > signal for me to do The Work. > > > > > > > > > > B > > > > > > > > > > --- gitoros <gitoros@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > frank, i am waiting for your response. > > > > > > what is with all the pollution that is done > > to > > > > this > > > > > > planet, in the > > > > > > effort to make " good " financial statements? > > > > > > what with the unemployement to the people > > fired > > > > to > > > > > > make good balances. > > > > > > what with all the demimonde or underworld > > (got > > > > these > > > > > > terms from the > > > > > > dic, hope they match) > > > > > > there seems to me no ful peace. there seems > > to > > > > be at > > > > > > least > > > > > > ambivalence. > > > > > > well. > > > > > > i sometimes wonder if the work is used or > > abused > > > > to > > > > > > belittle things. > > > > > > saying it's allright. it's all god. > > > > > > in the long run. yes. it is all god. but > > then > > > > don't > > > > > > we need to say > > > > > > that. > > > > > > say that god is the nazi, it is the victim, > > it > > > > is > > > > > > the weapon and it > > > > > > is the medicine....the peace and the war. > > > > > > well. just puttin in here my two cents. > > nothing > > > > > > more. i ponder about > > > > > > these things. that's all. > > > > > > lr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hm. i drop in rose's two cents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lovetheworkofbk wrote.. " As for > > businesses > > > > and > > > > > > > > corporations, they all seem pretty > > peaceful > > > > to > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > just doing a job and making a profit. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B replied.... > > > > > > > > Businesses that have stockholders are > > > > > > responsible for > > > > > > > > making a profit for those stockholders. > > That > > > > > > seems > > > > > > > > peaceful to me. It is their mission, > > their > > > > > > reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such companies are not in business to > > save > > > > the > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > or start wars. If that becomes what they > > are > > > > > > doing, > > > > > > > > they tend to fail and eventually > > disappear, > > > > or > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > directors direct them to change > > direction > > > > and > > > > > > reinvent > > > > > > > > themselves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** i've read that several times. i > > wonder. i > > > > > > ponder. hm. > > > > > > > ???? > > > > > > > is what you write really true? > > > > > > > i scratch my head. > > > > > > > franks second paragraph is it that makes > > me > > > > > > thinking. > > > > > > > well what about war stuff industry? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do The Work and change direction, > > reinvent > > > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 sweet frank, will you please always keep in mind that my native language is german and expressing anything in english is always like fishing for the - hopefully matching - term. i am never fully sure if i manage to express what i want to express. ok. please keep that in mind. what i mean by not straight is/was: in one posting you wrote: " Businesses that have stockholders are responsible > > for > > making a profit for those stockholders. That seems > > peaceful to me. It is their mission, their reality. " > > in another posting you wrote: Peace isn't the business of industries. Their business is to make a profit for stockholders. i am not here for being right, or for fighting. > Sweet Rose, > > You write that something somehow is not straight. yes and see above. Your > impression of what I wrote has nothing to do with me. yes. > Turn this around. ('s idea of) rose's impression of what he wrote has nothing to do with him. rose's impression of what he wrote has nothing to do with her. rose's impression of what he wrote has something to do with him. rose's impression of what he wrote has something to do with her (thinking). (rose's impression of what she wrote has something to do with her. rose's impression of what she wrote has something to do with him.) Look in the mirror. Will you see my > face or yours? on a mundane level - no. on the " metalevel " , that's not where i am at right now. but i'm open. lr > B > > --- gitoros wrote: > > > again, hello frank and thanks for responding. > > > > i read the whole thing you wrote and i feel there is > > something somehow > > not " straight " . > > > > in the other posting you wrote: > > > > " Businesses that have stockholders are responsible > > for > > making a profit for those stockholders. That seems > > peaceful to me. It is their mission, their reality. " > > > > oh well. of course reality is what is. and if i > > don't like biting or > > barking dogs, well i just don't go to their area. > > well i guess most of us talk from a place, nice and > > warm, we've got > > food, a bed and a pc. > > > > are you a stockholder? > > > > lr > > > > > > > > > > Peace is when I am not running my stories, when I > > am > > > accepting what is. If I am not finding peace, I do > > The > > > Work. > > > > > > Peace isn't the business of industries. Their > > business > > > is to make a profit for stockholders. President > > Bush's > > > business is to be who he is, not what I might want > > him > > > to be. If I am upset about a world or business > > leader, > > > I am out of my business and do The Work. > > > > > > President Bush shouldn't invade Iraq. Is that > > true? > > > The reality is that he invaded Iraq. That does not > > > make it right or wrong, just that he did what he > > did. > > > What do I get when I argue with reality, I go to > > war > > > ... in my mind. > > > > > > B > > > > > > > > > --- gitoros <gitoros@> wrote: > > > > > > > frank, > > > > > > > > i'm laying in bed watching god and generals. a > > movie > > > > about the > > > > american war around slavary time. > > > > quite interesting. > > > > thanks for responding at all. that's not > > > > commoncourtesy here on that > > > > board i've noticed, so i mention it to express > > my > > > > appreciation that > > > > you spend your time to do it. > > > > ok. > > > > now regarding your conent. > > > > well - we were talking about peace in the > > beginning. > > > > at least that's > > > > what triggered me to join. > > > > i miss your statement regarding this. > > > > could you come back for it, please. > > > > > > > > thanks for reading this far. > > > > > > > > lr > > > > > > > > not revised > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems like reality to me. I do not argue > > with > > > > > reality. Wasn't what Hitler did reality? That > > does > > > > not > > > > > mean what he did was positive, just that he > > did > > > > what > > > > > he did. Same thing with businesses that might > > > > offend > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > If I believe that reality/what is sucks, that > > is a > > > > > signal for me to do The Work. > > > > > > > > > > B > > > > > > > > > > --- gitoros <gitoros@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > frank, i am waiting for your response. > > > > > > what is with all the pollution that is done > > to > > > > this > > > > > > planet, in the > > > > > > effort to make " good " financial statements? > > > > > > what with the unemployement to the people > > fired > > > > to > > > > > > make good balances. > > > > > > what with all the demimonde or underworld > > (got > > > > these > > > > > > terms from the > > > > > > dic, hope they match) > > > > > > there seems to me no ful peace. there seems > > to > > > > be at > > > > > > least > > > > > > ambivalence. > > > > > > well. > > > > > > i sometimes wonder if the work is used or > > abused > > > > to > > > > > > belittle things. > > > > > > saying it's allright. it's all god. > > > > > > in the long run. yes. it is all god. but > > then > > > > don't > > > > > > we need to say > > > > > > that. > > > > > > say that god is the nazi, it is the victim, > > it > > > > is > > > > > > the weapon and it > > > > > > is the medicine....the peace and the war. > > > > > > well. just puttin in here my two cents. > > nothing > > > > > > more. i ponder about > > > > > > these things. that's all. > > > > > > lr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hm. i drop in rose's two cents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lovetheworkofbk wrote.. " As for > > businesses > > > > and > > > > > > > > corporations, they all seem pretty > > peaceful > > > > to > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > just doing a job and making a profit. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B replied.... > > > > > > > > Businesses that have stockholders are > > > > > > responsible for > > > > > > > > making a profit for those stockholders. > > That > > > > > > seems > > > > > > > > peaceful to me. It is their mission, > > their > > > > > > reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such companies are not in business to > > save > > > > the > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > or start wars. If that becomes what they > > are > > > > > > doing, > > > > > > > > they tend to fail and eventually > > disappear, > > > > or > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > directors direct them to change > > direction > > > > and > > > > > > reinvent > > > > > > > > themselves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** i've read that several times. i > > wonder. i > > > > > > ponder. hm. > > > > > > > ???? > > > > > > > is what you write really true? > > > > > > > i scratch my head. > > > > > > > franks second paragraph is it that makes > > me > > > > > > thinking. > > > > > > > well what about war stuff industry? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do The Work and change direction, > > reinvent > > > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 Rose wrote... " to me being involved in/with katie's work doesn't mean that i get my mind synchronised with all she says. " Doing The Work has nothing to do with . It is not surrendering to her. Writing The Work is putting your mind on paper, doing the turnarounds, etc. It is about YOUR thoughts, not what teaches. As far as getting your mind synchronized with all she says, a turnaround is.. Getting my mind synchronized with all I say. Once again, this has nothing to do with . Bring it home to Rose and you may find some peace ... with Rose. is simply a projection, a story, that I carry, just as I carry my story about Rose. A story may have very little to do with reality. That is why those of us who do The Work have a place to inquire about a story. If nothing else for , my stories are a lot more peaceful than they once were thanks to The Work. That is my story about my stories. --- gitoros wrote: > hey frank. > well. maybe we have somehow different understanding > about the term > " story " . > i asked something that was possible to get answered > by " yes or no, or > no answer " . > you said a yes. > i noticed in my life that fantasies about other > people are fantasies > about other people. if i want to know something i > ask. > > thanks for answering. > > to me being involved in/with katie's work doesn't > mean that i get my > mind synchronised with all she says. i am not into > structures like that. > and if i feel there is a lot about something i still > don't buy > automatically into a l l of it. let's say i am in > an interaction > and see what results and resonances it brings. > > thanks, lr > > > Rose, > > > > At least six times in recent weeks, your reply to > one > > of my posts has asked me to run a story about > > something. The latest, are you a stockholder? > > > > The real answer to that for you would be your > story, > > not mine. Yes, I am a stockholder, to answer your > > question. > > > > B > > > > --- gitoros wrote: > > > > > again, hello frank and thanks for responding. > > > > > > i read the whole thing you wrote and i feel > there is > > > something somehow > > > not " straight " . > > > > > > in the other posting you wrote: > > > > > > " Businesses that have stockholders are > responsible > > > for > > > making a profit for those stockholders. That > seems > > > peaceful to me. It is their mission, their > reality. " > > > > > > oh well. of course reality is what is. and if i > > > don't like biting or > > > barking dogs, well i just don't go to their > area. > > > well i guess most of us talk from a place, nice > and > > > warm, we've got > > > food, a bed and a pc. > > > > > > are you a stockholder? > > > > > > lr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace is when I am not running my stories, > when I > > > am > > > > accepting what is. If I am not finding peace, > I do > > > The > > > > Work. > > > > > > > > Peace isn't the business of industries. Their > > > business > > > > is to make a profit for stockholders. > President > > > Bush's > > > > business is to be who he is, not what I might > want > > > him > > > > to be. If I am upset about a world or business > > > leader, > > > > I am out of my business and do The Work. > > > > > > > > President Bush shouldn't invade Iraq. Is that > > > true? > > > > The reality is that he invaded Iraq. That does > not > > > > make it right or wrong, just that he did what > he > > > did. > > > > What do I get when I argue with reality, I go > to > > > war > > > > ... in my mind. > > > > > > > > B > > > > > > > > > > > > --- gitoros <gitoros@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > frank, > > > > > > > > > > i'm laying in bed watching god and generals. > a > > > movie > > > > > about the > > > > > american war around slavary time. > > > > > quite interesting. > > > > > thanks for responding at all. that's not > > > > > commoncourtesy here on that > > > > > board i've noticed, so i mention it to > express > > > my > > > > > appreciation that > > > > > you spend your time to do it. > > > > > ok. > > > > > now regarding your conent. > > > > > well - we were talking about peace in the > > > beginning. > > > > > at least that's > > > > > what triggered me to join. > > > > > i miss your statement regarding this. > > > > > could you come back for it, please. > > > > > > > > > > thanks for reading this far. > > > > > > > > > > lr > > > > > > > > > > not revised > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems like reality to me. I do not > argue > > > with > > > > > > reality. Wasn't what Hitler did reality? > That > > > does > > > > > not > > > > > > mean what he did was positive, just that > he > > > did > > > > > what > > > > > > he did. Same thing with businesses that > might > > > > > offend > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > If I believe that reality/what is sucks, > that > > > is a > > > > > > signal for me to do The Work. > > > > > > > > > > > > B > > > > > > > > > > > > --- gitoros <gitoros@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > frank, i am waiting for your response. > > > > > > > what is with all the pollution that is > done > > > to > > > > > this > > > > > > > planet, in the > > > > > > > effort to make " good " financial > statements? > > > > > > > what with the unemployement to the > people > > > fired > > > > > to > > > > > > > make good balances. > > > > > > > what with all the demimonde or > underworld > > > (got > > > > > these > > > > > > > terms from the > > > > > > > dic, hope they match) > > > > > > > there seems to me no ful peace. there > seems > > > to > > > > > be at > > > > > > > least > > > > > > > ambivalence. > > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > i sometimes wonder if the work is used > or > > > abused > > > > > to > > > > > > > belittle things. > > > > > > > saying it's allright. it's all god. > > > > > > > in the long run. yes. it is all god. but > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 > > > > Strangely [or, maybe not that > > strangely...]... > > > > My wife many times expressed lot of > > anger in her talks and I feel big > > abandonment and total disrespect and > > neglect in her language as I hear her > > and I " analyze " [which happens almost > > instantly and automatically] what she > > said. Yet, when I meet her just few > > minutes later I only notice warmth, > > acceptance, openness, love and longing > > in her the body level! > > > > At " intellectual " level whenever she > > expressed her anger in speech... I felt > > abandonment and loss yet; at [body] > > feeling level I never felt that from her. > > > > > > However, situation was quite different > > from my side, I was generally very > > " reserved " , " thoughtful " , " respectful " > > and quite " logical " in my speech and I > > rarely said very hateful things yet, at > > body level my wife felt total > > detachment, abandonment and rejection > > after the episode of anger was over. > > And, I do thing she was right in > > sensing that. I, in fact, had abandoned > > my wife internally in those situations. > > > > > > I guess, perhaps openly expressing her > > anger made my wife totally free of them > > once she had exhausted them [though, > > she did do it again after few hours or > > few days] and trying to " hold " it and > > only expressing what I " should " express > > left lot of unexpressed anger and > > resentment in my own body! > > > > However, I fear[ed] that if I too > > openly expressed my anger at the same > > time; we might have a real " blast " and > > things can turn really Violent! > > > > > > > > On a side note, I do see that in the > > " nature " the " aggressor " has HUGE > > advantage over those who only > > " receive " , " respond " or " react " to it. > > Often a aggressor has the advantage of > > time, opportunity has way to develop > > its 'arsenal' and once the " attack " is > > over the aggressor is really " free " . > > Whereas, the " other " is always hugely > > lagging behind and is busy in repair, > > recuperation and recovery. And, the > > moment they feel they have almost > > recovered they are " attacked " again! > > > > Those who just play the role > > " tolerating " not only get destroyed by > > the aggression but also by the > > poisonous residue of their own > > unexpressed and unreleased " natural " > > emotions! > > > > Perhaps, it is no surprise that > > jungles are dominated by " aggressive " > > animals... > > Seas are dominated by aggressive > > creatures. > > > > History of humanity has been dominated > > by aggressive tribes, cultures, people > > and races. > > > > Politics, business and corporations > > are dominated by " aggressive " parties, > > companies and people. > > > > Maybe, it is by " design " and not by > > " accident " ... > > > > Maybe, this is how " nature " really > > wants it! > > > > > > Aggressors rule... > > > > at least this is the way it seems to > > have happened most of the times! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 hi frank, sorry for " being late " i was and still am busy with other topics more, currently. > Rose wrote... > > " to me being involved in/with katie's work doesn't > mean that i get my mind synchronised with all she > says. " > > Doing The Work has nothing to do with . It is not > surrendering to her. fine. i agree. Writing The Work is putting your > mind on paper, doing the turnarounds, etc. It is about > YOUR thoughts, not what teaches. i hear you. > > As far as getting your mind synchronized with all she > says, a turnaround is.. > > Getting my mind synchronized with all I say. oh. gosh! i noticed: there still is a lot of bullshit coming out of my mouth. i observe this mind, while it is working. quite interesting experience. > > Once again, this has nothing to do with . Bring > it home to Rose and you may find some peace ... with > Rose. is simply a projection, a story, that I > carry, just as I carry my story about Rose. i hear you. > > A story may have very little to do with reality. That > is why those of us who do The Work have a place to > inquire about a story. aha. > > If nothing else for , my stories are a lot more > peaceful than they once were thanks to The Work. That > is my story about my stories. fine! sounds good. glad for you. r > > > > --- gitoros wrote: > > > hey frank. > > well. maybe we have somehow different understanding > > about the term > > " story " . > > i asked something that was possible to get answered > > by " yes or no, or > > no answer " . > > you said a yes. > > i noticed in my life that fantasies about other > > people are fantasies > > about other people. if i want to know something i > > ask. > > > > thanks for answering. > > > > to me being involved in/with katie's work doesn't > > mean that i get my > > mind synchronised with all she says. i am not into > > structures like that. > > and if i feel there is a lot about something i still > > don't buy > > automatically into a l l of it. let's say i am in > > an interaction > > and see what results and resonances it brings. > > > > thanks, lr > > > > > Rose, > > > > > > At least six times in recent weeks, your reply to > > one > > > of my posts has asked me to run a story about > > > something. The latest, are you a stockholder? > > > > > > The real answer to that for you would be your > > story, > > > not mine. Yes, I am a stockholder, to answer your > > > question. > > > > > > B > > > > > > --- gitoros <gitoros@> wrote: > > > > > > > again, hello frank and thanks for responding. > > > > > > > > i read the whole thing you wrote and i feel > > there is > > > > something somehow > > > > not " straight " . > > > > > > > > in the other posting you wrote: > > > > > > > > " Businesses that have stockholders are > > responsible > > > > for > > > > making a profit for those stockholders. That > > seems > > > > peaceful to me. It is their mission, their > > reality. " > > > > > > > > oh well. of course reality is what is. and if i > > > > don't like biting or > > > > barking dogs, well i just don't go to their > > area. > > > > well i guess most of us talk from a place, nice > > and > > > > warm, we've got > > > > food, a bed and a pc. > > > > > > > > are you a stockholder? > > > > > > > > lr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace is when I am not running my stories, > > when I > > > > am > > > > > accepting what is. If I am not finding peace, > > I do > > > > The > > > > > Work. > > > > > > > > > > Peace isn't the business of industries. Their > > > > business > > > > > is to make a profit for stockholders. > > President > > > > Bush's > > > > > business is to be who he is, not what I might > > want > > > > him > > > > > to be. If I am upset about a world or business > > > > leader, > > > > > I am out of my business and do The Work. > > > > > > > > > > President Bush shouldn't invade Iraq. Is that > > > > true? > > > > > The reality is that he invaded Iraq. That does > > not > > > > > make it right or wrong, just that he did what > > he > > > > did. > > > > > What do I get when I argue with reality, I go > > to > > > > war > > > > > ... in my mind. > > > > > > > > > > B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- gitoros <gitoros@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > frank, > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm laying in bed watching god and generals. > > a > > > > movie > > > > > > about the > > > > > > american war around slavary time. > > > > > > quite interesting. > > > > > > thanks for responding at all. that's not > > > > > > commoncourtesy here on that > > > > > > board i've noticed, so i mention it to > > express > > > > my > > > > > > appreciation that > > > > > > you spend your time to do it. > > > > > > ok. > > > > > > now regarding your conent. > > > > > > well - we were talking about peace in the > > > > beginning. > > > > > > at least that's > > > > > > what triggered me to join. > > > > > > i miss your statement regarding this. > > > > > > could you come back for it, please. > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for reading this far. > > > > > > > > > > > > lr > > > > > > > > > > > > not revised > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems like reality to me. I do not > > argue > > > > with > > > > > > > reality. Wasn't what Hitler did reality? > > That > > > > does > > > > > > not > > > > > > > mean what he did was positive, just that > > he > > > > did > > > > > > what > > > > > > > he did. Same thing with businesses that > > might > > > > > > offend > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I believe that reality/what is sucks, > > that > > > > is a > > > > > > > signal for me to do The Work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- gitoros <gitoros@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > frank, i am waiting for your response. > > > > > > > > what is with all the pollution that is > > done > > > > to > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > planet, in the > > > > > > > > effort to make " good " financial > > statements? > > > > > > > > what with the unemployement to the > > people > > > > fired > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > make good balances. > > > > > > > > what with all the demimonde or > > underworld > > > > (got > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > terms from the > > > > > > > > dic, hope they match) > > > > > > > > there seems to me no ful peace. there > > seems > > > > to > > > > > > be at > > > > > > > > least > > > > > > > > ambivalence. > > > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > i sometimes wonder if the work is used > > or > > > > abused > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > belittle things. > > > > > > > > saying it's allright. it's all god. > > > > > > > > in the long run. yes. it is all god. but > > > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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