Re:Scientific paper about cross-contamination?

[Guest guest]

Hi,Folks,

Cross-contamination certainly does occur! It can happen a million ways,like:

You leave your contaminated home, get in your car w/a few things & car

interior's got it.

Anything porous ~ clothes,books,papers,even the paper label on a can of food

will carry the microbial spores wherever you go. Generally, that musty odor

indicates contamination, but not always. Check out HealthyLivingSpaces.com for

more info.; Dan Stih is a wealth of information, has published a book and also

provides a newsletter. The American Indoor Air Quality Association is another

good resource. The best rule of thumb I've been told is,

When In Doubt, Throw It Out

Remediation is serious business, and I recommend consulting companies ~ nix

'em if they tell you that the mold can be killed with bleach,UV light, or Killz.

Good Luck!!

In Peace,

Neysa

Neysa

[Guest guest]

-My fiance and I just recentely moved and have cross contaminated

our new condo. Our recovery company says the will you and anti

fungal product called line one. have you heard of this and if it is

effective? Our cars have been contaminated also. thanks-- In

[Guest guest]

--- In , Neysa Kokinos <januarymoon1@...>

wrote:

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> Hi,Folks,

> Cross-contamination certainly does occur! It can happen a million

ways,like:

> You leave your contaminated home, get in your car w/a few things &

car interior's got it.

> Anything porous ~ clothes,books,papers,even the paper label on a

can of food will carry the microbial spores wherever you go.

Generally, that musty odor indicates contamination, but not always.

Neysa,

We all know that cross-contamination does occur. We feel it in our

everyday life. It's an established fact for me.

I started this thread by asking if anyone knows about any scientific

studies that have been done about cross-contamination. That's the only

thing that can persuade people who don't react to mycotoxins that

cross-contamination does occur.

By scientific study I mean that it has been objectively measured how

much of a mycotoxin can be transferred from the building which has a

mold problem to a building that does not have a mold problem. And then

whether these quantities that were brought into the building without

the moisture problem can cause health problems.

Again, I do know the answer to all this is YES, THEY CAN

cross-contaminate AND cause big health problems. But, we need some

scientific proof to shove it in front of the noses of the doubters!

[Guest guest]

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> Laurie,

>

> Sorry to hear the bad news. Where do you live? I have not heard of

that product. I use a product called MDF-500.

>

>

http://www.deconsolutions.com/pdf_Files/MDF-500%20Information%20Brochure.pdf

Bob,

All these remediation formulas are similar. I read the composition for

that product. The active ingredients are two compounds: benzalkonium

chloride and hydrogen peroxide. The first chemical kills

microorganisms. The second one can neutralize some odors and perhaps

fusaric acid.

The biggest problem with cross-contamination is not live mold, not

even spores but mycotoxins. They are not alive so you can't kill them.

Deactivation would require something that can neutralize the toxicity

of mycotoxins. Neither of the compounds listed in the MSDS sheet for

products that claim to " neutralize mycotoxins " can actually neutralize

Stachy trichothecenes. In other words, they are useless.

The only thing that can chemically neutralize Stachy and Fusarium

trichothecene mycotoxins is an enzyme produced by anaerobe bacteria

that normally live in the gut of some animals.

[Guest guest]

I have to make a correction to what I wrote:

Hydrogen peroxide is not used for deactivation of the mycotoxin called

fusaric acid. However, with the addition of sodium bicarbonate it is

used to inactivate fumonisin B1 (FB1) in animal food. Hydrogen

peroxide can also deactivate aflatoxins. Ammonia can also deactivate

aflatoxins. However, none of these toxins are trichothecenes.

[Guest guest]

-Hi Bob thanks for writing. We live in Moraga Ca. The sick house

we rented was in Lafayette, Ca. I'm hoping to get some more info

asap on what direction to take with our house as I hate the thought

of continuing to live here in this toxicity. Laurie-- In

, Bob Mc

<rienvironmentalservices@...> wrote:

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> Laurie,

>

> Sorry to hear the bad news. Where do you live? I have not heard of

that product. I use a product called MDF-500.

>

> http://www.deconsolutions.com/pdf_Files/MDF-500%20Information%

20Brochure.pdf

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> [] Re:Scientific paper about cross-

contamination?

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> -My fiance and I just recentely moved and have cross contaminated

> our new condo. Our recovery company says the will you and anti

> fungal product called line one. have you heard of this and if it

is

> effective? Our cars have been contaminated also. thanks-- In

>

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[Guest guest]

> Branislav, if you do a Google search for " mold contaminated

> home contents " you should find Dr. Straus's papers on decontaminatio

> strategies.

Yes, I know about that paper. I think I even posted it in the files

section here a while ago. It examines three methods for

decontamination of clothes, paper and wood.

But this is not exactly what I am looking for. I need a scientific

study that clearly shows how mycotoxins can spread to clean buildings

from contaminated buildings just by cross-contamination.

We know it happens and is one of the biggest problems. However, we

need the scientific proof to convince the unbelievers.

> Cleaning them is very difficult, but not impossible.

It depends on the type of contaminated material, the cleaning method

you're using and on the type of the mycotoxin. I found that some

objects are practically impossible to decontaminate (certain types of

laminate plastic, for example)