Re: Good news for Aussies

[Guest guest]

Graham,

This is great to hear. Please keep us informed how this all plays

out. Hopefully in the end it won't be sugar coated. I have spoken to

several " aussies " and NZ'ers about their condition and many of their

symptoms that they were experiencing. At that time it was not

necessarily caused by mold, according to them. These were people who

had their own support group that were diagnosed with Lupus. After

lengthy discussions they were not questioning that diagnosis, since

one of the people I was speaking with said I've got mold in my home

3' up the walls. I couldn't believe it. I believe they had a reason

for concern on what they were diagnosed with. How often does this

happen?

Take care,

KC

--- In , " bcobra1921 " <bcobra@...>

wrote:

>

> There is a new show on TV about toxic houses, I just caught the

last

> 15 minutes of it tonight & it was about a family being poisoned

from

> molds, it was interesting that they used Alcohol solution to kill

the

> mold, this is the first of 7 weeks of different toxic house

problems.

> It is on SBS at 7.30 on Wednesdays.

> They also test the people for medical effects & clean & repair the

> house & also help the people recover, I would also think they help

> people detox, they seem to cover all aspects of a house & people

being

> poisoned.

> I think it is fantastic to see this sort of program on TV, it helps

> others understand the toxic lives they live.

> I have also noticed all our Gardening programs that are on our TV

here

> in Australia are all organic.

> I am going the contact Dr Dingle from the show as I have seen him a

> few time about toxic things on TV before, I will suggest to him

that

> maybe they could also help the people that are sick to detox with a

> sauna & see what he has to say.

> If you have a look at the virtual house you may have to download

the

> flash player, it is only about 1mb to download.

> There also is a link to a uni in the USA for there mold info which

was

> pretty good to read.

> Graham

> http://isyourhousekillingyou.sbs.com.au/home/index.html

>

[Guest guest]

If you read through all the postings here, you will notice that alcohol is

NEVER mentioned as a possible aid to cleaning mold. The reason is that its

dangerous. Alcohol and mold don't mix. That combination can end up hurting

people easily if they come into contact with it.

If you are cleaning stachybotrys, of course THROW AWAY (AND THEN REPLACE

WITH CLEAN/NEW) ALL MOLDY SHEETROCK..

To clean wood, etc, and other semiporous and nonporous items, either use

plain soap and water and lots of scrubbing and rinsing and drying afterward

(make sure to dispose of the dirty water down a drain, don't let it dry on

things) or if stachbotrys was there use a strong bleach solution with some

added soap and water (USE GOOD VENTILATION SO YOU WON'T BURN YOUR EYES AND

LUNGS) scrub with scrubsponge, wire brushes, etc., then leave it on the

wood, etc. surface for 15 min, then wash it off with clean water, then dry

it off WELL.

(ALWAYS USE RUBBER GLOVES AND DON'T TAKE THEM OFF WHILE DOING WORK)

[Guest guest]

Dr. is from Australia and he is a major expert on

stachybotrys, etc.

And a very smart guy with a great sense of humor.

I don't know where he is right now but Dr. Straus at Texas Tech

would know. Dr. MAY be IN Australia right now, if so, they

REALLY REALLY should put HIM on that show - at least bring him in as a

guest once in a while.

That would make it REALLY authoritative.. (I'm not saying that they

aren't, just that he would be a uniquely qualified guest who might be

nearby, in a continental sense )

You can see a list of his papers if you go to PubMed at:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez

and put

" SC " [Author]

(exactly like that) in the search box. and click 'Go'

That would be a great gig for him too as he's a very nice guy with a

good sense of humor.

He would be a good person to ask if alcohol could be used to clean mold..

(I really don't think it would be wise to do that, at all, just

suggesting contacting him if you want verification of that)

There is a new show on TV about toxic houses, I just caught the last

15 minutes of it tonight & it was about a family being poisoned from

molds, it was interesting that they used Alcohol solution to kill the

mold, this is the first of 7 weeks of different toxic house problems.

It is on SBS at 7.30 on Wednesdays.

They also test the people for medical effects & clean & repair the

house & also help the people recover, I would also think they help

people detox, they seem to cover all aspects of a house & people being

poisoned.

I think it is fantastic to see this sort of program on TV, it helps

others understand the toxic lives they live.

I have also noticed all our Gardening programs that are on our TV here

in Australia are all organic.

I am going the contact Dr Dingle from the show as I have seen him a

few time about toxic things on TV before, I will suggest to him that

maybe they could also help the people that are sick to detox with a

sauna & see what he has to say.

If you have a look at the virtual house you may have to download the

flash player, it is only about 1mb to download.

There also is a link to a uni in the USA for there mold info which was

pretty good to read.

Graham

http://isyourhousekillingyou.sbs.com.au/home/index.html

[Guest guest]

Hi KC

Its funny I never heard of anyone being poisoned here in Australia

with mold.

I mainly only hear of people poisoned with pesticides ect, but not mold.

It is also funny I joined this group to learn more about mold

poisoning as a lot of people on my group talk about it but I did not

know enough about it, I have had CFS for 17 years & MCS for 6 or so so

I know all about being poisoned but not about molds, on the show it

actually told you that all these different toxins rise from the molds

which I did not realize until now, the show opened my eyes to things I

did not understand, I did not understand the process in which the mold

poisoned people until now.

I use hydrogen peroxide to kill mold here & works well.

I mentioned the alcohol as I have never heard of it before, on there

site they say to use vinegar.

I think the reason we don't have the mold as badley as the USA as we

don't have cellars or rooms below the ground level.

I still have a lot to learn about mold, but at least I understand a

lot better than before.

It's the first time I have ever seen a show like that on Australian TV.

Graham

>

> Graham,

>

> This is great to hear. Please keep us informed how this all plays

> out. Hopefully in the end it won't be sugar coated. I have spoken to

> several " aussies " and NZ'ers about their condition and many of their

> symptoms that they were experiencing. At that time it was not

> necessarily caused by mold, according to them. These were people who

> had their own support group that were diagnosed with Lupus. After

> lengthy discussions they were not questioning that diagnosis, since

> one of the people I was speaking with said I've got mold in my home

> 3' up the walls. I couldn't believe it. I believe they had a reason

> for concern on what they were diagnosed with. How often does this

> happen?

>

> Take care,

>

> KC

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

I had never heard of alcohol being used either, so I thought it would

be a good non toxic thing to use, the program is using experts from

all different fields in the remediation, if you check out the site

they have you will see that they are experts in there fields & clean

houses as a business, so with them mentioning alcohol I thought would

be fine, I will look further into it.

I use hydrogen peroxcide to kill the mold we get in the bathroom on

the roof & it works well, my wife uses vinegar for normal cleaning of

tiles ect in bathroom.

Graham

[Guest guest]

Look at this web page..

http://www.apsnet.org/online/feature/stachybotrys/

There is a picture of a horse with stachybotrys dermal necrosis... also

there a paper by a group of people in Germany - Dill, et al - paper is

mentioned.. (moldy flower pots and finger necrosis)

Also there is military research showing inhalation, then dermal, then

ingestion.. as far as toxicity.. (Wannemacher?)

also, the below is one of many papers on dermal absorbtion of

trichothecenes.. This is the abstract that I am using to reply to your post

because the author is very well respected.. this is the one which scientists

have brought up to me..

Note the second paragraph on stachybotrys (macrocyclic trichothecene)

mycotoxins

Fundam Appl Toxicol. 1984 Apr;4(2 Pt 2):S124-32.

Toxicological features of T-2 toxin and related trichothecenes.

Ueno Y.

Toxicological characteristics of T-2 toxin and related trichothecenes,

mycotoxins produced by Fusarium, Trichoderma, Verrucaria, and others, were

investigated in regard to LD50 values, dermal toxicity, hematological

changes, and tumorigenicity. The LD50 values (mg/kg) of T-2 toxin in adult

male mice were po 10.5, ip 5.2, sc 2.1, and iv 4.2, and those of nivalenol

were ip 4.1 and iv 6.3. These data showed that the lethal toxicity of T-2

toxin and nivalenol was about 10 times higher than deoxynivalenol . Newborn

and immature animals were much more susceptible than adults. Inhalation

experiments with T-2 toxin revealed that 33 ppb T-2 toxin for 160-min and

140 ppb T-2 toxin for 30-min exposure were enough to cause death in mice

within several days.

*The dermal toxicity of T-2 toxin and macrocyclic trichothecenes (

verrucarin A and roridin A) was significantly higher than the other

trichothecenes, and the induction of edema and other dermal toxicities is

caused by direct attack of the trichothecenes on the capillary vessels. *

No tumorigenicity of fusarenon-X to dermal tissues was shown in mice.

Pretreatments of mice with SH-compounds, prednisolon , phenobarbital, and

3-methylcholanthrene did not change the LD50 value of T-2 toxin.

PMID: 6609858 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[Guest guest]

Thankyou for the link, very interesting, the show they had the second

week was not on molds but on the toxins in the house & there ducted

air conditioner & how the air inlet was inside the house so all the

toxins in the house was recirculated.

Graham

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

>

> Look at this web page..

>

> http://www.apsnet.org/online/feature/stachybotrys/

>

> There is a picture of a horse with stachybotrys dermal necrosis... also

> there a paper by a group of people in Germany - Dill, et al - paper is

> mentioned.. (moldy flower pots and finger necrosis)

>

> Also there is military research showing inhalation, then dermal, then

> ingestion.. as far as toxicity.. (Wannemacher?)

>

> also, the below is one of many papers on dermal absorbtion of

> trichothecenes.. This is the abstract that I am using to reply to

your post

> because the author is very well respected.. this is the one which

scientists

> have brought up to me..

>

> Note the second paragraph on stachybotrys (macrocyclic trichothecene)

> mycotoxins

>

>

> Fundam Appl Toxicol. 1984 Apr;4(2 Pt 2):S124-32.

> Toxicological features of T-2 toxin and related trichothecenes.

> Ueno Y.

>

> Toxicological characteristics of T-2 toxin and related

trichothecenes,

> mycotoxins produced by Fusarium, Trichoderma, Verrucaria, and

others, were

> investigated in regard to LD50 values, dermal toxicity, hematological

> changes, and tumorigenicity. The LD50 values (mg/kg) of T-2 toxin in

adult

> male mice were po 10.5, ip 5.2, sc 2.1, and iv 4.2, and those of

nivalenol

> were ip 4.1 and iv 6.3. These data showed that the lethal toxicity

of T-2

> toxin and nivalenol was about 10 times higher than deoxynivalenol .

Newborn

> and immature animals were much more susceptible than adults. Inhalation

> experiments with T-2 toxin revealed that 33 ppb T-2 toxin for

160-min and

> 140 ppb T-2 toxin for 30-min exposure were enough to cause death in mice

> within several days.

>

> *The dermal toxicity of T-2 toxin and macrocyclic trichothecenes (

> verrucarin A and roridin A) was significantly higher than the other

> trichothecenes, and the induction of edema and other dermal

toxicities is

> caused by direct attack of the trichothecenes on the capillary

vessels. *

>

> No tumorigenicity of fusarenon-X to dermal tissues was shown in mice.

> Pretreatments of mice with SH-compounds, prednisolon ,

phenobarbital, and

> 3-methylcholanthrene did not change the LD50 value of T-2 toxin.

>

> PMID: 6609858 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

>

>

>