Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 The dose with Prednisone is 1 to 2 mg per kg. Usually start with the lower dose and see if it works. The fever will go away... within hours. Side effects may be the next fever comes on sooner and sooner... Some children do NOT have this effect. Each child may react different. The Prednisone is given upon onset of fever when you know the fever is from . When unsure have the child seen by a doctor. It is usually given in one dose and sometimes split in half and given over two days.... Just depends on the doc. God Bless, Fran Fran A Bulone Mom to ph 5 yrs old Waxhaw, NC Owner & Moderator Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 The dose with Prednisone is 1 to 2 mg per kg. Usually start with the lower dose and see if it works. The fever will go away... within hours. Side effects may be the next fever comes on sooner and sooner... Some children do NOT have this effect. Each child may react different. The Prednisone is given upon onset of fever when you know the fever is from . When unsure have the child seen by a doctor. It is usually given in one dose and sometimes split in half and given over two days.... Just depends on the doc. God Bless, Fran Fran A Bulone Mom to ph 5 yrs old Waxhaw, NC Owner & Moderator Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 This is because your Dr. is legit. Additionally, he doesn't want to lose his license, or get sued. The bottom line is that EVERY Dr. and pharmacy in this country is subject to audits of controlled substances. Thus, both are required to keep detailed records of who, what, why, and where. Some are audited more than others...There are procedures and protocols. You watch...This Benoit Dr. (and the one) will both lose their ability to practice medicine......All over ONE client. Also, a lot of these people get their drugs via the internet. That outfit in Fla that got closed down by the Feds had hundreds of celebrity and professional clients. Bill On Jul 2, 2007, at 1:56 PM, Norsworthy wrote: > I know this is a hypogonadism forum but if what you're speaking is so, > how do people get prescriptions for drugs used in cattle? It's the > same for high school athletes. Just exactly what are they using and > where do they get it? > > These are supposed to be controlled substances. It's not like buying > a bag of weed in a bad neighborhood. > > I'm not naive to drug abuses. I suppose I'm just naive to steroid > abuses. > > I'd be more than willing to listen to someone tell me the facts of > life of steroid abuse, what they use, how they get it, etc. My doctor > only prescribes 2 vials of T at one prescription. If I ask for another > prescription before the appointed time, he will know and in all > likelihood stop writing the prescription. > > It's hard for me to see how average Joe gets away with it. Sylvester > Stallone and 48 vials of HGH, yes I can see that happening but I've no > idea how others are able to get away with it. > > Tom Sweet <thomasjsweet@...> wrote: > A lot are using trenbolone-acetate, a cattle steroid. It is 5 times > more > androgenic and 5 times more anabolic than testosterone and has the > benefit > of not aromatizing into estrogen. The recommended dosage for those > doing > this is somewhere between 50 and 100 mg every day. Do the math on > that one > – 250 to 500 mg of test daily. This really can’t be even remotely > good for > you. Beginner cycles are now 1000 mg T a week. Ouch… > > The bad thing is that HRT will be beat up in the media. No one will > look > and say, “did the wrestler have alcohol in his home?†Many more men > beat > their wives using alcohol than steroids. > > From: > [mailto: ] > On Behalf Of Norsworthy > Sent: July 02, 2007 6:32 AM > > Subject: Re: Benoit > > I've been waiting until I got back from my leave to address this > matter with > the group. Retrogrouch hits the nail on the head. Remember what we > were like > on the very low side of normal? I was dog butt ugly. I heard from a > visitor > of this group that claimed to have comitted suicide. > > Now imagine being on the very high side of normal. There's a grave > imbalance > there too. No, I don't have the answer but the media made me sick all > weekend with their lousy analysis. If guys can get neurotic on the > unhealthy > side of low normal I can only presume it can be worse on the > extremely high > side of normal. Would you rather have a T score of 105 or a T score of > 3,200? Which is more out of balance? > > For me, life was as poor as it could get at low normal. I heard > things that > weren't there, imagined things, fits of depression, anxiety. Some of > us have > been there and some of us have not. Then for others, somewhere in > between. > > I believe my doctor told me these guys are shooting up what I use in > a month > every two days. There are professional ball players out there who are > abusing that will face grave consequences later in life for their > abuse. I > am very sorry for the loss of innocent life in this matter but I wish > the > user would have exercised better control with his medicines. > > Many came to this forum beforehand thinking extra T was going to > solve all > of their sexual deficiencies. Some spoke with great enthusiam. I am > also > willing to bet there are guys out there abusing T for sexual > enhancement > too. Can long term abuse of T lead to testicular cancer? > > I'll say again as before, stay within the parameters of your doctor's > recommendation. Consider last week as an example of things gone awry > when > not sticking to the proper program. If his doctor prescribed T beyond > normal > parameters then he may be prosecuted. > > retrogrouch@... <mailto:retrogrouch%40comcast.net> wrote: > These guys are using powerful steroids at rates many times that needed > for health reasons. (Look at his physique - that's not a natural > physique. ) Most of them don't do testosterone because it's not strong > enough for their purposes and those that do use doses that would > stagger your imagination. Tell your wife when you begin to look like a > pro wrestler she can begin to worry. > > BTW does she remember what you were like with low T? Most of us were > pretty listless sluggish guys. Does she want that guy back? > > Change settings via the Web ( ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch > format > to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > > Recent Activity > > 11 > New Members > > Visit Your Group > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 First, let me say that I only use what my doctor prescribes for me. I am in life for the long-haul and if you looked at my body, it Is obvious that I do not juice….: ) Just like most things at Wal-Mart or anywhere else though, the bulk of it comes from China, some from Mexico. Steroids are legal in each country, but China has recently cracked down export due to the Olympics, etc. Underground labs here get their powder via mail and set up shop somewhere. It is like the game of “Whack a mole” at the carnival. As soon is one in squashed, more pop up. I am pretty sure that though called labs, they are not really labs like you or I would feel comfortable with calling a lab. Most likely it is someone’s garage, not much different than the Yogi Bear episode where he was selling honey with sticks, bugs, etc in it. Regarding the cattle stuff – I am not sure of the laws. I think it may be like a can of spray paint where use other than as intended is illegal. Anyway, they get the cattle pellets from somewhere, soak them in some sort of gasoline additive, etc. and they make the stuff at home. Stuff like that really seems scary, to me at least. USDOJ just busted a couple of guys from Mississippi, but kept the shop open and collected another $93,000 in incoming cash for orders. When you or I get our prescriptions filled at Walgreens, we know what we are getting. This other stuff though, it can be anything or contain anything. I think Steroids can be a mental addiction. These guys start benching 40 lbs more on Tren their first week using it. After their cycle is over, they lose the majority of their gains, so after a while, they go back on. Tren is made to make cattle big fast so the ranchers can profit by using less feed grain. No one cares how long the cow lives after its expected 6 months or so. No telling what this will do to a person down the road. How do I know this? Many steroid boards have HRT subforums and I go to read about the TRT/HRT, but read other stuff too. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Norsworthy Sent: July 02, 2007 11:57 AM Subject: steroid use I know this is a hypogonadism forum but if what you're speaking is so, how do people get prescriptions for drugs used in cattle? It's the same for high school athletes. Just exactly what are they using and where do they get it? These are supposed to be controlled substances. It's not like buying a bag of weed in a bad neighborhood. I'm not naive to drug abuses. I suppose I'm just naive to steroid abuses. I'd be more than willing to listen to someone tell me the facts of life of steroid abuse, what they use, how they get it, etc. My doctor only prescribes 2 vials of T at one prescription. If I ask for another prescription before the appointed time, he will know and in all likelihood stop writing the prescription. It's hard for me to see how average Joe gets away with it. Sylvester Stallone and 48 vials of HGH, yes I can see that happening but I've no idea how others are able to get away with it. Tom Sweet <thomasjsweet@... <mailto:thomasjsweet%40hotmail.com> > wrote: A lot are using trenbolone-acetate, a cattle steroid. It is 5 times more androgenic and 5 times more anabolic than testosterone and has the benefit of not aromatizing into estrogen. The recommended dosage for those doing this is somewhere between 50 and 100 mg every day. Do the math on that one – 250 to 500 mg of test daily. This really can’t be even remotely good for you. Beginner cycles are now 1000 mg T a week. Ouch… The bad thing is that HRT will be beat up in the media. No one will look and say, “did the wrestler have alcohol in his home?” Many more men beat their wives using alcohol than steroids. From: <mailto: %40> [mailto: <mailto: %40> ] On Behalf Of Norsworthy Sent: July 02, 2007 6:32 AM <mailto: %40> Subject: Re: Benoit I've been waiting until I got back from my leave to address this matter with the group. Retrogrouch hits the nail on the head. Remember what we were like on the very low side of normal? I was dog butt ugly. I heard from a visitor of this group that claimed to have comitted suicide. Now imagine being on the very high side of normal. There's a grave imbalance there too. No, I don't have the answer but the media made me sick all weekend with their lousy analysis. If guys can get neurotic on the unhealthy side of low normal I can only presume it can be worse on the extremely high side of normal. Would you rather have a T score of 105 or a T score of 3,200? Which is more out of balance? For me, life was as poor as it could get at low normal. I heard things that weren't there, imagined things, fits of depression, anxiety. Some of us have been there and some of us have not. Then for others, somewhere in between. I believe my doctor told me these guys are shooting up what I use in a month every two days. There are professional ball players out there who are abusing that will face grave consequences later in life for their abuse. I am very sorry for the loss of innocent life in this matter but I wish the user would have exercised better control with his medicines. Many came to this forum beforehand thinking extra T was going to solve all of their sexual deficiencies. Some spoke with great enthusiam. I am also willing to bet there are guys out there abusing T for sexual enhancement too. Can long term abuse of T lead to testicular cancer? I'll say again as before, stay within the parameters of your doctor's recommendation. Consider last week as an example of things gone awry when not sticking to the proper program. If his doctor prescribed T beyond normal parameters then he may be prosecuted. retrogrouch@... <mailto:retrogrouch%40comcast.net> <mailto:retrogrouch%40comcast.net> wrote: These guys are using powerful steroids at rates many times that needed for health reasons. (Look at his physique - that's not a natural physique. ) Most of them don't do testosterone because it's not strong enough for their purposes and those that do use doses that would stagger your imagination. Tell your wife when you begin to look like a pro wrestler she can begin to worry. BTW does she remember what you were like with low T? Most of us were pretty listless sluggish guys. Does she want that guy back? Change settings via the Web ( ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity 11 New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 Anyone can purchase finaplex, trenbolone-acetate, process the little pills and inject or place it into a needle and go for it, if you dare, they are sold as cattle implants It has no restrictions at sales points. I have mixed it with DMSO and rubbed it on my skin, I gain about one club on the golf course, can jump tall buildings on a single bound. We can find what our minds can conceive and focus on. regards david Re: Benoit I've been waiting until I got back from my leave to address this matter with the group. Retrogrouch hits the nail on the head. Remember what we were like on the very low side of normal? I was dog butt ugly. I heard from a visitor of this group that claimed to have comitted suicide. Now imagine being on the very high side of normal. There's a grave imbalance there too. No, I don't have the answer but the media made me sick all weekend with their lousy analysis. If guys can get neurotic on the unhealthy side of low normal I can only presume it can be worse on the extremely high side of normal. Would you rather have a T score of 105 or a T score of 3,200? Which is more out of balance? For me, life was as poor as it could get at low normal. I heard things that weren't there, imagined things, fits of depression, anxiety. Some of us have been there and some of us have not. Then for others, somewhere in between. I believe my doctor told me these guys are shooting up what I use in a month every two days. There are professional ball players out there who are abusing that will face grave consequences later in life for their abuse. I am very sorry for the loss of innocent life in this matter but I wish the user would have exercised better control with his medicines. Many came to this forum beforehand thinking extra T was going to solve all of their sexual deficiencies. Some spoke with great enthusiam. I am also willing to bet there are guys out there abusing T for sexual enhancement too. Can long term abuse of T lead to testicular cancer? I'll say again as before, stay within the parameters of your doctor's recommendation. Consider last week as an example of things gone awry when not sticking to the proper program. If his doctor prescribed T beyond normal parameters then he may be prosecuted. retrogrouch@... <mailto:retrogrouch%40comcast.net> wrote: These guys are using powerful steroids at rates many times that needed for health reasons. (Look at his physique - that's not a natural physique. ) Most of them don't do testosterone because it's not strong enough for their purposes and those that do use doses that would stagger your imagination. Tell your wife when you begin to look like a pro wrestler she can begin to worry. BTW does she remember what you were like with low T? Most of us were pretty listless sluggish guys. Does she want that guy back? Change settings via the Web ( ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity 11 New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 Even if there weren't legit cattle implants they would take it anyway. Here doping is forbidden to cattle and nevertheless now and then you hear that police got a doped cow and jailed her pushers :-) Where there is demand there's bid. If it's riskier there's more gain because fewer people dare to risk. The harsher the penalty the greater the value. Typically steroid black market is in gyms. Someone importing/stealing/owning drugs has some acquaintances in gyms. And these acquaintances resell drugs to the right people. I guess it isn't difficult to see who is using steroid, at a glance. They tell where to find steroids to those they deem trustful. It's alwasy the same for all illicit items, from drugs, AK47s, antitank missiles. Acquaintances and a network based on trust. > > Anyone can purchase finaplex, trenbolone-acetate, process the little pills > and inject or place it into a needle and go for it, if you dare, they are > sold as cattle implants > It has no restrictions at sales points. I have mixed it with DMSO and rubbed > it on my skin, I gain about one club on the golf course, can jump tall > buildings on a single bound. > We can find what our minds can conceive and focus on. > regards david Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 > > I know this is a hypogonadism forum but if what you're speaking is so, how do people get prescriptions for drugs used in cattle? It's the same for high school athletes. Just exactly what are they using and where do they get it? Hi, trenbelone acetate is in a cattle implant called finaplix-s and it doesn't require a prescription, it's neither a pill nor an injectable... but there are " kits " available on the net to take the implants and make it injectable. > I suppose I'm just naive to steroid abuses. it's not terribly hard to order steroids from asia or eastern europe where no prescription is required. > I'd be more than willing to listen to someone tell me the facts of life of steroid abuse, what they use, how they get it, etc. My doctor only prescribes 2 vials of T at one prescription. If I ask for another prescription before the appointed time, he will know and in all likelihood stop writing the prescription. I've got a prescription... but because of the way my insurance is I buy my test, etc. from an online " gear " site to save money. they sell EVERYTHING... dianabol, winstrol, trenbelone, deca, primobolan, test of all kinds. right now I'm using a 450mg/ml testosterone mix (like super sustanon) just to get a smaller injection... 1/4cc a week. the muscle guys will use a full CC a week... and stack something like deca or tren on it... > It's hard for me to see how average Joe gets away with it. there's this thing called " The Internet " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 I am proof that use of steroids causes noyhing but yeast and weight gain. I was on prednisone for a year. Gained eighty pounds. There are tuimes you DO need it such as treating my asthma and all the muscle and joint pain. Just be carefull. Hard to come off. > I would also like to ask the group a question. I have been reading > some posts on another group. It seems that I am hearing some > protocals and medications that I have never heard mentioned here or > from Dr. Shoemaker or anywhere else. like Vfend, Sporonax, Chromyln > sodium, Xopenex and Caspofungin. I have read that there is a regular > use of steroids in this group also. It seems nobody there has heard > of Dr. Shoemaker which is not a problem, I am just curious as to the > different types of treatment and since Dr. Shoemaker has not ever > mentioned these medications to me and I have never read anything > about them I am just wondering if anyone else has either. It appears > that it is a doctor on this group that is talking about them. To be > honest it also seems that this group has a large understanding and > knowlede that makes complete sence to me as well. > Maybe I am just being nieve but I kind of got the idea that the > people that have gotten this illness figured out seem to use for the > most part alot of the the same meds and treatment methods until I > began to read things such as this elswhere. I will ask the same > questions in that group as well but I was wondering if I could get > some feedback on this from you all. Especially any of the doctors and > proffesionals that are a part of this group. I would like to add that > I am not doubting anything I am reading but I am certainly interested > to know if there are other ways to treat this illness that I am un > aware of and am really interesated to know if any of you have heard > of any of this as well. > If I have not been specific enough just let me know and I will try to > be more detailed. Your comments are greatly appritiated. > Chris... > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Ya know, I have never understood the whole steroid thing. I have some pretty bad back and neck and hip problems. For a while there the doctor would give me the shots and tell me how much better I would feel. Wierd because I never really felt as if they helped anything. with that in mind I dont understand the " hard to come off " thing. I know people are different and it isd apparent there is an addiction factor, I just don't know why. As far as the toxin illness goes from what I understand it is because of that that we are not suposed to use them. As far as the weight thing, wow. Thats serious for one years time. I hope you have been able to get back to your normal weight. My quiting smoking thing has rewarded me with 9 pounds myself and it has only been six days. Gingersnap1964@... wrote: I am proof that use of steroids causes noyhing but yeast and weight gain. I was on prednisone for a year. Gained eighty pounds. There are tuimes you DO need it such as treating my asthma and all the muscle and joint pain. Just be carefull. Hard to come off. > I would also like to ask the group a question. I have been reading > some posts on another group. It seems that I am hearing some > protocals and medications that I have never heard mentioned here or > from Dr. Shoemaker or anywhere else. like Vfend, Sporonax, Chromyln > sodium, Xopenex and Caspofungin. I have read that there is a regular > use of steroids in this group also. It seems nobody there has heard > of Dr. Shoemaker which is not a problem, I am just curious as to the > different types of treatment and since Dr. Shoemaker has not ever > mentioned these medications to me and I have never read anything > about them I am just wondering if anyone else has either. It appears > that it is a doctor on this group that is talking about them. To be > honest it also seems that this group has a large understanding and > knowlede that makes complete sence to me as well. > Maybe I am just being nieve but I kind of got the idea that the > people that have gotten this illness figured out seem to use for the > most part alot of the the same meds and treatment methods until I > began to read things such as this elswhere. I will ask the same > questions in that group as well but I was wondering if I could get > some feedback on this from you all. Especially any of the doctors and > proffesionals that are a part of this group. I would like to add that > I am not doubting anything I am reading but I am certainly interested > to know if there are other ways to treat this illness that I am un > aware of and am really interesated to know if any of you have heard > of any of this as well. > If I have not been specific enough just let me know and I will try to > be more detailed. Your comments are greatly appritiated. > Chris... > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 no I havent gotten back to myyy normal weight. Because of how sick Ive been Ive been sitting or laying down for three years. Now I cannot walk more then five minutes without back pain. I just recently dtarted Physical Therapy for that ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Before I found the mold, I was on steroids for 8 months & gained 40 lbs. I had a very hard time coming off of them; had to wean off over a couple months. Since finding the mold, I've only been on them once & this time they did nothing for me; had to wean off slowly, again. I've since lost the steroid wt. & then some. Last year, I lost 50 lbs. & just lost another 15 in 1 month, with no explanation why all this weight is falling off me. As for the meds question: I was on Xopenex when I was admitted in Hosp. for ARDS, when I stopped breathing, after our carpets were pulled up & only explanation they could come up w/was carpet fibers, but I think mold spores were released. Just read a pharmacy continuing ed booklet & Caspofungin is being used for invasive aspergillosis. It also stated that new data on posaconazole for invasive mould infections offer promise. Hope some of this helps. Hugs, Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 As I remember my Shoemaker, taking steroids is fanning the flames of mold illness, and trips you into MCS-that very thing happened to me when the Dr in 1991 gave me a steroid inhaler for my breathing problems. was many years latter after reading Shoemaker that I connected the dots on that one. --- In , " Cheryl " <sunbum256@...> wrote: > > Before I found the mold, I was on steroids for 8 months & gained 40 > lbs. I had a very hard time coming off of them; had to wean off over a > couple months. Since finding the mold, I've only been on them once & > this time they did nothing for me; had to wean off slowly, again. I've > since lost the steroid wt. & then some. Last year, I lost 50 lbs. & > just lost another 15 in 1 month, with no explanation why all this > weight is falling off me. As for the meds question: I was on Xopenex > when I was admitted in Hosp. for ARDS, when I stopped breathing, after > our carpets were pulled up & only explanation they could come up w/was > carpet fibers, but I think mold spores were released. Just read a > pharmacy continuing ed booklet & Caspofungin is being used for invasive > aspergillosis. It also stated that new data on posaconazole for > invasive mould infections offer promise. Hope some of this helps. > Hugs, Cheryl > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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