Re: Need Help for Dog

[Guest guest]

, this is from Marcie, as her cat died swiftly from cross contamination by

rubbing all over her clothes when she had come home from work. This cat was a

healthy 42 lb long haired Himalayan (sp). He went into respiratory distress

within 3 days of rubbing on her clothes, had pulmonary hemorrhaging and died in

a week (this happened Jan 2004 after the remodel crew sent the mold airborne.

Marcie's guess is that is the dog had gotten fungal infections that metastasized

into cancer. With Marcie's experience with a brain tumor the size of a tennis

ball in 1996, she did some research with the help of some friends and found an

herb called Chaparral (sp). The FDA had banned it for a while because it

actually worked on shrinking tumors and cancer. Marcie says she took the liquid

form but you can get it in capsule for. She suggest you give it to the dog. It

is not going to hurt the dog. Marcie believes it is made from a cactus. It has

been since 1996 since she has taken

any, but she says you might be able to find it in a herb store or Chinese

medicine, she says ask your vet about it. Let Marcie know what you find out, it

wont hurt to try it Marcie says. Darlene

marypmichel <marypmichel@...> wrote:

Hi, All,

My dog has a large black mass covering most of her left lung.

Without cutting her open and cracking her chest the vets believe it's

cancer. But, I know in my gut and heart of hearts it's fungus.

My house was rife with mold coming up through the floor and through

the duct system - and, of course, this is where she slept. This mass

was found about 2 1/2 years ago and I went to the vet with the results

of my house mold test asking them to test her and treat her. This

wasn't done and I was told that anti-fungal meds were very harsh and

they wouldn't give them.

This mass was slow growing until this summer - then - BIINGO

I should have been more demanding - but, wasn't. So now we are in

a crisis with her having trouble breathing. I have her on an anti-

candida diet, giving K-9 immunity, transfer factor and started her on

hydrogen peroxide by mouth. Tomorrow we begin Vitamin C IVs.

Has anyone had experience treating this sort of problem? If so,

can you give me a protocol or ideas? Perhaps you can steer me in the

right direction for more information. I've googled until I'm cross

eyed.

Thanks so much for whatever help or advice you can impart.

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[Guest guest]

HI, Darlene,

Thank you so much for your response. As you might be able to

tell - I'm a little desperate right now.

We are going to the holistic vet today for a Vit. C IV.

I am definitely going to check out the chaparrel (sp?). I think

there is a doc there who knows herbs and can get a dosage.

My heart just breaks for the poor animals who suffer so in our

modern world.

I wrote to the doc recommended a few weeks ago here. He

responded that mold cannot cause cancer. (So much for that!)

I'll let you know what happens.

> Hi, All,

> My dog has a large black mass covering most of her left lung.

> Without cutting her open and cracking her chest the vets believe

it's

> cancer. But, I know in my gut and heart of hearts it's fungus.

> My house was rife with mold coming up through the floor and

through

> the duct system - and, of course, this is where she slept. This

mass

> was found about 2 1/2 years ago and I went to the vet with the

results

> of my house mold test asking them to test her and treat her. This

> wasn't done and I was told that anti-fungal meds were very harsh

and

> they wouldn't give them.

> This mass was slow growing until this summer - then - BIINGO

> I should have been more demanding - but, wasn't. So now we

are in

> a crisis with her having trouble breathing. I have her on an anti-

> candida diet, giving K-9 immunity, transfer factor and started

her on

> hydrogen peroxide by mouth. Tomorrow we begin Vitamin C IVs.

> Has anyone had experience treating this sort of problem? If

so,

> can you give me a protocol or ideas? Perhaps you can steer me in

the

> right direction for more information. I've googled until I'm

cross

> eyed.

> Thanks so much for whatever help or advice you can impart.

>

>

>

>

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>

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>

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> Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone

who knows.

> Answers - Check it out.

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[Guest guest]

Anyone who tells you mold cannot cause cancer is ignorant as so many physicians

willfully are about mold. Period.

My Samcat died of lung cancer a year ago. Now, I don't smoke, and to the best

of my awareness, neither did Sam - lol. She was 19, so I'm grateful that she

lived a good long life with me, and she survived two years past our exposure -

we moved out of the mold trap summer of 2004.

When she was diagnosed, I suspected Sam's cancer was related to our mold

exposure. I became certain of it when the pathology report on my neighbor from

the building who died of mycotoxicosis was found to have cancer in his lung

tissue - it's not what killed him, but he did have it.

My heart goes out to you as you find comfort and cure for your friend.

~Haley

marypmichel <marypmichel@...> wrote:

HI, Darlene,

Thank you so much for your response. As you might be able to

tell - I'm a little desperate right now.

We are going to the holistic vet today for a Vit. C IV.

I am definitely going to check out the chaparrel (sp?). I think

there is a doc there who knows herbs and can get a dosage.

My heart just breaks for the poor animals who suffer so in our

modern world.

I wrote to the doc recommended a few weeks ago here. He

responded that mold cannot cause cancer. (So much for that!)

I'll let you know what happens.

[Guest guest]

, yes please keep in touch with me about your dog. It does saden me very

much to know what happens to our animals. I have to keep a close eye on my

little yorkie, Gracie, she has had some strange symptoms: mucus in the bowel

movements, cough up with mucus. I give her 1 teaspoon of plain yogurt a day,

and believe it or not, her bowel movements have not had the mucus, and she

doesn't cough up as much. I still watch her, and the vet checks her every 3

months. One weird thing I had noticed a few months back with Gracie, was she

had a small lump on her back, I rubbed my hand across the lump and the hair came

off, then more hair came off after that. The hair on that spot grew back, red,

and the lump disappeared. So now I have my little angel that has a good size

spot of red hair. Take care , and keep in touch. My thoughts are with you.

I will let Marcie know that you replied. Darlene

marypmichel <marypmichel@...> wrote:

HI, Darlene,

Thank you so much for your response. As you might be able to

tell - I'm a little desperate right now.

We are going to the holistic vet today for a Vit. C IV.

I am definitely going to check out the chaparrel (sp?). I think

there is a doc there who knows herbs and can get a dosage.

My heart just breaks for the poor animals who suffer so in our

modern world.

I wrote to the doc recommended a few weeks ago here. He

responded that mold cannot cause cancer. (So much for that!)

I'll let you know what happens.

> Hi, All,

> My dog has a large black mass covering most of her left lung.

> Without cutting her open and cracking her chest the vets believe

it's

> cancer. But, I know in my gut and heart of hearts it's fungus.

> My house was rife with mold coming up through the floor and

through

> the duct system - and, of course, this is where she slept. This

mass

> was found about 2 1/2 years ago and I went to the vet with the

results

> of my house mold test asking them to test her and treat her. This

> wasn't done and I was told that anti-fungal meds were very harsh

and

> they wouldn't give them.

> This mass was slow growing until this summer - then - BIINGO

> I should have been more demanding - but, wasn't. So now we

are in

> a crisis with her having trouble breathing. I have her on an anti-

> candida diet, giving K-9 immunity, transfer factor and started

her on

> hydrogen peroxide by mouth. Tomorrow we begin Vitamin C IVs.

> Has anyone had experience treating this sort of problem? If

so,

> can you give me a protocol or ideas? Perhaps you can steer me in

the

> right direction for more information. I've googled until I'm

cross

> eyed.

> Thanks so much for whatever help or advice you can impart.

>

>

>

>

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> ---------------------------------

> Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone

who knows.

> Answers - Check it out.

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[Guest guest]

If it is cancer and you treat her for fungus you could be putting her

though a lot of unnecessary suffering. Even if it is fungus and you

treat her for it the long term prognosis is dismal.

My great Dane " pebbles " had chronic liver disease and eventually

grew a large hard mass in her abdomen. It brings back memory's about

how painful this is. Sometimes I still wonder weather I did the right

thing. I waited till I thought she was in more pain than she would of

wanted to be in, and than I had her put to sleep.

It's extremely difficult but if the vets feel the same way about her

I would weigh their advice heavily before trying anything that might

put your baby thorough a lot of unnecessary pain and suffering.

One more note I haven't heard mentioned with dogs in contaminated

houses that should be considered if their sick is to check their food

for fungus growth, and take extreme measures to prevent it. It might

not be noticeable upon casual observation but could be doing great

harm to your animals. We know this from the reports in Russia with

livestock dying due to food contamination.

If you do decide to put her down you could do other dog owners a

great service by having a biopsy done on her post postmortem to clear

up this matter.

[Guest guest]

,

Have you gotten a second opinion? One cost-effective option is vet schools.

You could try asking any vet schools in your area if they offer inexpensive

medical options for people willing to let their pets be operated on in front

of a class. I bet many do.

Also, you should ask on the various aspergillosis mailing lists about the

various cost or low-cost options.. They must exist and if they do, people

there would know about them. Don't write off drugs like vfend, sporanox,

etc. They are often the things that keep people alive. The same probably

applies to pets.

Drug companies sometimes have programs for very low-income people. Or

doctors may have free samples or be able to get them.

You might also ask your second opinion vet (hopefully one who doesn't have a

vested interest in your pursuing a particular path) about whether high dose

RAW GARLIC in your pets food, or some supplements like n-acetylcysteine

(NAC) might also be helpful..

I am urging you to try raw garlic.. Everyone here will tell you that garlic

is super useful in those situations. Just raw garlic, cooked garlic, etc.

orally in their food..

There is also a drug called mucomyst that is a specially prepared, nebulized

form of NAC that some people with aspergillosis find really helpful. It

clears the green gunk out of their lungs.. they can then cough it out. If

you google " mucomyst' you can probably find a web site and maybe you could

call them and ask about veterinary applications. NAC is slightly antifungal

and in some situations it can be a lifesaver. Its also a super antioxidant.

Even if your dog doesn't have aspergillosis, things like LOTS OF GARLIC and

(possibly, with vet approval) NAC might help with whatever else he/she does

have. Other antioxidants might too but with any animal, you need to check

first to see if there are toxicity issues with their metabolism. Animals are

different than people.

Oral (the cheap kind from the supermarket) Vitamin C with Oral NAC has been

a godsend for me with my various health issues. Not a huge amount, but it

has been good to take lower doses frequently (spaced evenly -for example,

morning, midday, night..

People should not take more than 2 - 3 grams or so a day without their

doctor telling them to, so I would not even give a big dog more than half

that unless vet says so. Its also good to take breaks from vitamins

periodically.. everything in moderation..

You can look a lot of medical information up on PubMed and print it out to

give to your doctor.

This should get you started

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?term=n-acetylcysteine

Ask a good vet.

[Guest guest]

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I don't think hydrogen peroxide would be good for your dog under any

conditions but I'd guess that it might be particularly bad in cancer

situations. Also, dogs synthesize their own vitamin C from food, ulike

us, they don't usually need added vitamin c!

A healthy dog should not need added vitamin C. A good vet would be

able to tell you if a sick dog might benefit from additional vitamin

C, which could be added to their food or water if they have the

strength to do either. However, you might want to show them this:

J Nutr. 2002 Jun;132(6 Suppl 2):1616S-21S.

Supplemental vitamin C appears to slow racing greyhounds.

Marshall RJ, KC, Hill RC, DD, Sundstrom D, GL, Harper J.

Department of Small Animal Clinical Sciences and the Center for

Veterinary Sports Medicine, College of Veterinary Medicine, University

of Florida, Gainesville, FL, USA.

During strenuous exercise, markers of oxidation increase and

antioxidant capacity decreases. Antioxidants such as vitamin C may

combat this oxidation stress. The benefits of vitamin C to greyhounds

undertaking intense sprint exercise has not been investigated. The

objective of this experiment was to determine whether a large dose (1

g or 57 mmol) of ascorbic acid influences performance and oxidative

stress in greyhounds. Five adult female, trained racing greyhounds

were assigned to receive each of three treatments for 4 wk per

treatment: 1) no supplemental ascorbate; 2) 1 g oral ascorbate daily,

administered after racing; 3) 1 g oral ascorbate daily, administered 1

h before racing. Dogs raced 500 m twice weekly. At the end of each

treatment period, blood was collected before and 5 min, 60 min and 24

h after racing. Plasma ascorbate, alpha-tocopherol, thiobarbituric

acid-reducing substances (TBARS) and Trolox equivalent antioxidant

capacity (TEAC) concentrations were measured and adjusted to

compensate for hemoconcentration after racing. TBARS, TEAC and

alpha-tocopherol concentrations were unaffected by supplemental

vitamin C. Plasma ascorbic acid concentrations 60 min after racing

were higher in dogs that received vitamin C before racing than in dogs

that either received no vitamin C or received vitamin C after racing.

The dogs ran, on average, 0.2 s slower when supplemented with 1 g of

vitamin C, equivalent to a lead of 3 m at the finish of a 500-m race.

Supplementation with vitamin C, therefore, appeared to slow racing

greyhounds.

[Guest guest]

Oh, boy!!!!

Life's decisions sure aren't easy.

Could you elaborate more about the hydrogen peroxide, please?

My vet has been using the Vit C for a few years for various

healings. She is following the studies of a vet. I will try to get

the info that she is using.

Nasha had Vit C IVs about two years ago for lack of nerve function

down her rear leg. And for healing from two operations. She seemed

to do well (as much as I can tell) and we managed to restore the

sensations and saved her leg from amputation.

I will take the following to the vet and see what she says.

Thank you very much.

[Guest guest]

,

I am glad your dog is doing better. Looking at PubMed it appears that the

biochemistry of hydrogen peroxide in dogs (and humans) is complex and I

really don't know enough to comment on it except to say that there are

people out there who prey on vulnerable and desperate humans by promoting

hydrogen peroxide as a 'cancer cure'.

Many years ago I had a dog, a husky mix, that I loved very much, who was

given a diagnosis much like the one your dog was given. He had a big tumor

of some kind in his chest cavity and operating was out of the question for

me at the time, as I was not making a lot of money then and couldn't afford

it.

So, I just watched him closely and read up on natural pet care. I nursed him

along and managed to keep him alive for another five years by switching him

off ALL mainstream commercial pet food and instead, giving him several very

small portions a day of a top quality lamb-based low-sodium pet food and

lots of vegetables, garlic and fish oil, and little bits of my own (low

sodium) food. (NEVER a lot, because when he ate too much, he would get a

buildup of fluid around the tumor or whatever it was that made it hard for

him to breathe!) and exercise.. (walking.. )

Also, he was on Lasix.. (a diuretic)

Dietary restriction seems like a good idea in situations like that.. its one

less thing for them to fight..