This low-carb list (WAS: New Member)

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Vicki

> This list is particularly focused on low-carbing.

I don't agree with that. This list is NOT a low-carb list, that was made

clear to us when was active here.

> Most (but not all) of the people here advocate low

> carb eating and the amount of carbs you're eating

> are much higher than most of us.

I don't agree with that " most " either! It just happens that the low-carbers

make the " most " noise (i.e. make the most postings). We non-low-carbers are

just plain naturally more modest and do not throw our weight (sorry, Susie)

about quite so much. To settle the matter, how about another poll on the

subject? The last one sure didn't come up with more than half the registered

members eating less than 100 g carbohydrates a day (my definition).

> Generally speaking, it pays to stay away

> from the " whites " -- breads, pasta, cereals, rice, etc.

Breads over here are not " white " - most German bread is dark, some of it

practically black. Rice, narural rice that is, is brown. It only " pays " to

stay away from bread, pasta, cereals, rice if you believe that they are bad

for you.

> An excellent book is " Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes

> Solutions " by Bernstein, M.D.For my money

> it's the best general all-purpose book about

> diabetes.

It is a very good book full of useful tips about diabetes, no doubt about

it, and there is no difficulty ignoring all that oddball stuff about

carbohydrates if you don't believe it anyway - and he doesn't provide even

one word of evidence in support of his claims so it is just his unsupported

statements.

> The closer to 100 you can get your BG, the

> better for avoidance of long-term

> complications.

I am going to do a Susie on you now, Vicki. Where do you get this stuff

about 100 from? Please quote research sources in support of that statement.

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Thornton wrote:

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> Vicki

>

> > This list is particularly focused on low-carbing.

>

> I don't agree with that. This list is NOT a low-carb list, that was made

> clear to us when was active here.

Yep.

>

> > Most (but not all) of the people here advocate low

> > carb eating and the amount of carbs you're eating

> > are much higher than most of us.

>

> I don't agree with that " most " either! It just happens that the low-carbers

> make the " most " noise (i.e. make the most postings). We non-low-carbers are

> just plain naturally more modest and do not throw our weight (sorry, Susie)

> about quite so much. To settle the matter, how about another poll on the

> subject? The last one sure didn't come up with more than half the registered

> members eating less than 100 g carbohydrates a day (my definition).

The actual poll showed 8 using under 100 carbs per day, and 15 using

100+ carbs per day.

> > The closer to 100 you can get your BG, the

> > better for avoidance of long-term

> > complications.

>

> I am going to do a Susie on you now, Vicki. Where do you get this stuff

> about 100 from? Please quote research sources in support of that statement.

For me, the only number I try to hit is under 140 2 hours after eating.

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Dave -- Friday, August 18, 2000

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Dave O. wrote:

<< The actual poll showed 8 using under 100 carbs per day, and 15 using

100+ carbs per day. >>

And there are approx. 260 members in the group. Less than 10 percent

responded. When so few respond to a poll, the results are meaningless.

Susie

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Re: This low-carb list (WAS: New Member)

Dave O. wrote:

<< The actual poll showed 8 using under 100 carbs per day, and 15 using

100+ carbs per day. >>

And there are approx. 260 members in the group. Less than 10 percent

responded. When so few respond to a poll, the results are meaningless.

Susie

Ahem! Isn't this more a case of whose ox is being gored?

Just you wait, Susie, on the next vote, I'm going to vote 15 times -- and I

know how. Being from Texas, Lyndon used to say " come early, stay late, and vote

often. " And, I'm going to coach the " proper " people in multi-voting. Next time

the question is asked, the results will be compelling --AND the vote won't even

be close. )

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Suzie: You might want to go check one of your statistics books. A

10percent sample size can be very meaningful-if, and this is a big if- the

respondents were randomly distributed from the members of the group. Also,

at the time of the survey, there were not as many people in the group, so

the response rate was somewhat in excess of 10%. Many researchers using

mail surveys would be happy with a 10% response rate (although they would

have also likely have used a larger sample than 260 to start with)..

Grabner

Re: This low-carb list (WAS: New Member)

> Dave O. wrote:

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> << The actual poll showed 8 using under 100 carbs per day, and 15 using

> 100+ carbs per day. >>

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> And there are approx. 260 members in the group. Less than 10 percent

> responded. When so few respond to a poll, the results are meaningless.

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> Susie

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> Public website for Diabetes International:

> http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int

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In a message dated 00-08-18 18:37:51 EDT, you write:

<< I am going to do a Susie on you now, Vicki. Where do you get this stuff

about 100 from? Please quote research sources in support of that statement.

>>

Sorry, , I don't read research papers...I get enough heavy duty medical

stuff in my work. However, the 100 figure is from my eminently educated

online diabetic mentor Ron Sebol -- you probably joined the LC-D list after

he became inactive but his stuff is in the LC-D archives if you care to check

it out -- and our own Susie, who can quote sources. Vicki

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wrote:

<< Just you wait, Susie, on the next vote, I'm going to vote 15 times --

and I know how. Being from Texas, Lyndon used to say " come early, stay

late, and vote often. " And, I'm going to coach the " proper " people in

multi-voting. Next time the question is asked, the results will be

compelling --AND the vote won't even be close. ) >>

, I'm willing to wager that you will learn more about diabetes and

about your body in this group in the next six months than in the 20 years

since you were diagnosed. This group is about mutual support - but it's also

about researching the latest studies and sharing them.

Susie