Re: Flames? Just the facts

[Guest guest]

Edna,

I guess you definitely have a vendetta going against me.

You said you didn't CARE about people. I said I was sorry you didn't

care. I am removing your name from the list. May you find a list that

you can get along with.

[Guest guest]

Edna -

If you have questions about something, just ask.

I, too, have high triglycerides. I am 35, was diagnosed 2 years ago, and at

that time, my triglycerides were 829. There is apparently a form of type 2

diabetes that comes equipped with high triglycerides and low HDL (good

cholesterol), and I have it. My internist said to lay off sweets to get the

triglycerides down, it has worked to some extent, at last check, 1 year ago, I

was at 300. I will have them checked again in another week or so, and at that

time, if they are not lower, I will be put on meds.

Let me know what your doc is doing (if anything) for your triglycerides.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 99-03-14 22:48:29 EST, you write:

<< have also not seen anything regarding the adverse effects of oral

medication. I have been on insulin almost 3 years. Gloucophage, rezulin, etc.

all raised havoc with my liver and I had to be taken off. I constantly have a

CBC (think there are 26 or

so categories (cholesterol, tryglicerides, etc.) that are tested. Doesn't

anyone else have regular 'blood work'? >>

Edna,

I have bloodwork done regularly - once every week to check my white cell

count, once every month to check my liver function, once every two months to

check my average BG level (what IS that test called!!?? - I keep forgetting)

- once every three months I have a CBC, cholesterol, triglycerides, etc - to

check everything else - I see my primary every three months and once every six

months he gives me a complete physical. And then there are the appts -

oncologists, my cardiologist, surgeons, ob/gyn, Heart Stress test, (once a

year - I missed last years test - I was too weak to take the test) numerous

other lab tests, and regularly scheduled CT scans, not to mention the scares I

have had with my angina and have had to go in to the office on an emergency

basis to have a resting EKG run. Why, for a while there, that was our life -

2-3 doctor appts a day - for about 6 months

Generally, people bring up problems that are of concern to them and that they

cannot deal with or figure out themselves - I do not talk about a lot of these

things because they are mundane, everyday occurrences for me which I have

learned to live with - my problem is with diabetes and that exists in a

nutshell because of the chemo I am receiving which pushes my BGs way out of

whack - before I had the chemo and radiation last year, I was able to control

my BGs with diet and exercise - but then as I healed and got treatment, that

all changed - every day is a new challenge - and THAT is why I bring up BGs -

I know there is probably nothing that anyone can do about my particular

problem - but it is an unsolved problem and that is what this list is all

about - I need to learn how to cope with this " Catch-22 " problem and this list

has been very supportive of that - even though they personally cannot do

anything about it - the mere fact that someone out there understands is the

most important thing. And I have learned a lot from Meenie, Bill, Ann, and

to name a few - sometimes a looser, more family-like atmosphere is

needed for those of us who just need a shoulder to cry on for a minute or two.

Since you asked about the oral meds, I have tried them all - at least all the

ones that were safe for me - and they all created serious side affects in me -

what with my allergies to foods and certain drugs - so, they had to get

special permission to use precose which I understand is fairly new - at least

where I am - and that worked OK

but gave me a lot of flatulence. I don't have to take that anymore because I

am now on Humalin N at least until I talk to the doctor again - he wants to

switch me to regular Insulin 70/30 - whatever works! I don't mind being a

" guinea pig " - so long as I get the job done. And basically, that is what we

al are - every one of us - everyday - trial and error until we learn how to

deal with it on our own.

For those of you who are interested - my fasting BG this am was 186 (Hooray!!)

- I KNEW it would go down after the chemo - I don't have to go for another

treatment until the 26th of this month - so, I have 12 days to figure some of

this out.

[Guest guest]

Edna, sorry - that post got away from me - finished the letter - just didn't

get to sign it -

in Port Orange, FL

[Guest guest]

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>

>Another thing I did not touch on is why the threads have to be

>constantly reprinted.

This is indeed a problem when you subscribe to the Digest form of a list. I

have had it on several lists... in fact, the biggest problem , I found, was

that others on the digests quoted the ENTIRE digest every time they replied,

so the digest was filled with the previous digest repeated over and over and

over.. !

Editing does indeed help in the reading . However, if you don't quote what

you are replying to, others may not know what the heck you're talking about

Isn't a notation 're:' sufficient rather than

>repeat

>the old post sometimes 2X or more!

Maybe... assuming that everyone reading today read everything from

yesterday.

>What your bg's were this AM does not 'support' me. Only you can do

>something

>about it and it isn't by writing about it. What you do and eat will

>change it and only

>you again can do that.

Yes, but what if you are eating correctly? and exercising? and your BGs are

still too high? What if you are suffering from the Dawn Effect and aren't

sure what to do about it. Suppose you are a new diabetic and you aren't

sure what time you should check it, or whether it is good or not? We are

here to support everyone, not only ourselves. Suppose you report to the

list that your bg is over 300 and people start asking you about other meds,

if you are eating certain types of foods that you didnt know (being new)

were bad for your bg, etc.

You've had this problem for 20years, you probably have a lot of answers for

these people... but how will they ever get those answers if they don't ask?

>

>I have yet to see someone address a 'thirst' problem. I go to the store

>with my water bottle and some days can't get enough fluid.

This is also a very good question, Edna .. I wish I knew. Somedays I have

this problem also, although I check my bg and it's fine. Since I've been

following a low carb diet it has been better, but still there .

Your list of volunteering is commendable. It is certainly a wonderful and

rewarding thing to help your friends and neighbors.

>, you say your intro included the word 'support' about the list.

>Well, I guess it is like a garage sale. Some people's trash is other

>people's

>treasure. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Isn't that the truth?! IMHO, support means giving whatever it is that each

person needs. A new diabetic isn't comfortable yet with bg testing, taking

new medications, or figuring out what to eat. It gives them comfort to post

those things here and hear from us that they are doing ok, or get

suggestions on how to do it better. Don't you think that is supportive? I

do. I did when I was first diagnosed and scared to death. And I got it on

one of those more " technical " lists that Danny thinks we should be. I

didn't get flamed there for asking those questions

>

>Diabetes is not an easy thing to deal with. When I was first diagnosed

>- about

>20 yrs ago - my body went so haywire that I lost my sight for 3 weeks.

>All I could

>see was the outline of a person, didn't know if they were male or

>female. Couldn't

>sign a check - to find the line - without a strong magnifying glass.

>Things like that

>whip you into shape in a hurry. You can't deny you have 'it'....

How True, Mamabehr... and imagine how much of an impact that would make on a

new diabetic who is considering blowing the whole thing off (after all, his

doctor told him to avoid desserts and lose a " little " weight because he was

a " borderline " diabetic). Eyes need to be opened before they get to that

frightening point.

>

>I have also not seen anything regarding the adverse effects of oral

>medication.

You must have missed my post about taking micronase . It made me a basket

case!! Thankfully I am off all meds now

>

>My cholest. is usually 175 - 200. However, tryglic. are usually in the

>300

>range. Am told dangerous for stroke, heart attack etc. I keep asking

>my

>endo dr. why that is and I am told - it's my diabetes that does that.

>Does anyone else have that?

Not me anymore

>

>It is sad to see a list get so loose and have so many nasty comments

>like " leave, hit delete button, etc.' What kind of support or

>compassion is that?

I think a lot of people got miffed when a new person comes in and

immediately begins to tell them they are doing everything wrong. Not a

good way to begin, imho.

>

Meenie