Re: Can you reverse immune system damage?

[Guest guest]

Does anyone have any ideas about this? Is it possible to reverse

immune system damage caused by toxic mold? Maybe vitamins,

supplements or herbs. Just wondering if there is any hope that the

immune system damage could be reversed.

I have heard that women sometimes get immune system problems when

they get breast implants and then their immune systems recover when

the implants are removed. I wondered if there could be a similar

effect relating to the damage done by exposure to toxic mold.

I guess I'm looking for a miracle cure.

--- In , " charlesb35 " <charlesb35@...>

wrote:

>

> I was exposed to toxic mold and have immune system damage (more

than

> one autoimmune disorder). The prognosis isn't good. Is there any

way

> to reverse this damage?

>

[Guest guest]

I got mold in my breast from a medical procedure and started Dr. Kolb's

protocol over a month ago. Although I do feel better I am still sick. One

thing that has improved is my Secondary Adrenal Insufficiency. I was taking

20mg of hydrocortisone a day and now I'm down to 5mg. a day. I have to say that

I think I am herxing so I don't feel good at this time. I'm also trying a new

product that is kicking my butt. The active ingredient is chlorine dioxide and

some Lyme patients are trying it as well. It kills all pathogens. So to answer

your question the answer is a definate maybe.

Sharon Hanson

[] Re: Can you reverse immune system damage?

Does anyone have any ideas about this? Is it possible to reverse

immune system damage caused by toxic mold? Maybe vitamins,

supplements or herbs. Just wondering if there is any hope that the

immune system damage could be reversed.

I have heard that women sometimes get immune system problems when

they get breast implants and then their immune systems recover when

the implants are removed. I wondered if there could be a similar

effect relating to the damage done by exposure to toxic mold.

I guess I'm looking for a miracle cure.

--- In , " charlesb35 " <charlesb35@ ...>

wrote:

>

> I was exposed to toxic mold and have immune system damage (more

than

> one autoimmune disorder). The prognosis isn't good. Is there any

way

> to reverse this damage?

>

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[Guest guest]

what do u mean by immune system damage? i think to some degree

everyone here who was exposed to mold (or biotoxins) has had some

" damage " to their immune system. supplements are a band-aid

treatment...believe me i know, i spent a small fortune on 'em.

what are your symptoms?

how is it going with the milk thistle? have u tried a series of liver

cleanses/flushes yet?

> >

> > I was exposed to toxic mold and have immune system damage (more

> than

> > one autoimmune disorder). The prognosis isn't good. Is there any

> way

> > to reverse this damage?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the responses. I have been diagnosed with lupus and fibromyalgia.

Symptoms include extreme fatigue and severe joint pain--hips, knees, elbows,

feet. My knees hurt even just when I roll over in bed and my elbows hurt if

they touch anything. And recently my mouth started bleeding (a lot)--they said

this is caused by lupus. I tried milk thistle, but it completely blocked my

colon--no movement at all and very painful. I started taking one supplement

that is supposed to help with the flushing process. I wanted to try this one

for a few weeks to see if it helped and if it caused any bad side effects. I

have a lot of days when my brain isn't working correctly so I apologize if I

missed someone's advice.

xhannahx24 <xhannahx24@...> wrote:

what do u mean by immune system damage? i think to some degree

everyone here who was exposed to mold (or biotoxins) has had some

" damage " to their immune system. supplements are a band-aid

treatment...believe me i know, i spent a small fortune on 'em.

what are your symptoms?

how is it going with the milk thistle? have u tried a series of liver

cleanses/flushes yet?

[Guest guest]

the wife of the manufacturer of where i bought one of my health

modalities from had fibromyalgia. when i spoke with her a few years

ago, she said she tested positive on most of the *points* on her body.

i will email you her phone number.

as far as the milk thistle, was it in liquid form? my experience is

liquid is always better than something that has to be digested, like

capsules.

remind me again, you were exposed to mold, right? did the diagnosis

of lupus & fibro come after your exposure? not trying to sound like a

cynic or anything, but my body hurt too after my exposure to mold

(i.e. painful showers from the water hitting my skin, occasional

stabbing pain in my chest, 24 hrs of one side of my body having a

weird burning sensation when touched, etc etc)...i'm just wondering if

your exposure to mold is what's really causing all your pain. and i've

been to enough doctors to know they were so quick to write off the

real root of my problem (MOLD!) and diagnosis me with all kinds of

stuff (i.e. eye infections, eczema, allergies, etc etc----heck if i

had gone in when i was having respiratory distress, they probably

would have diagnosed me with asthma).

--- In , Brown <charlesb35@...>

wrote:

>

> Thanks for the responses. I have been diagnosed with lupus and

fibromyalgia. Symptoms include extreme fatigue and severe joint

pain--hips, knees, elbows, feet. My knees hurt even just when I roll

over in bed and my elbows hurt if they touch anything. And recently

my mouth started bleeding (a lot)--they said this is caused by lupus.

I tried milk thistle, but it completely blocked my colon--no movement

at all and very painful. I started taking one supplement that is

supposed to help with the flushing process. I wanted to try this one

for a few weeks to see if it helped and if it caused any bad side

effects. I have a lot of days when my brain isn't working correctly

so I apologize if I missed someone's advice.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, me and my family were exposed to many toxic molds, including stachy,

fusarium, cladosporium, penecillium, chaetomium, aspergillus, etc. We have been

to many, many doctors. For the most part, they don't believe that toxic mold

causes health problems (except respiratory and allergies), but a couple of our

doctors are surprised that me and my family have had so many new health problems

since our exposure. We have also had many different diagnosis for our problems

including the usual " you are just depressed. "

One specialist was ready to tell the truth and told us that she would write it

all in a report. After we left, she was apparently told that she couldn't write

the report because what we got from her was pathetic. Her company receives a

lot of funding from one of the big companies that denies hte health effects of

toxic mold.

We are tired of dealing iwth doctors right now but maybe we will be ready to

try again next year. We would like to visit Dr. Shoemaker or Dr. Croft or

another one of the doctors who actually believes the truth about toxic mold, but

we aren't up to the long trip right now and we arent' sure if our health

insurance will cover the expenses.

xhannahx24 <xhannahx24@...> wrote:

the wife of the manufacturer of where i bought one of my health

modalities from had fibromyalgia. when i spoke with her a few years

ago, she said she tested positive on most of the *points* on her body.

i will email you her phone number.

as far as the milk thistle, was it in liquid form? my experience is

liquid is always better than something that has to be digested, like

capsules.

remind me again, you were exposed to mold, right? did the diagnosis

of lupus & fibro come after your exposure? not trying to sound like a

cynic or anything, but my body hurt too after my exposure to mold

(i.e. painful showers from the water hitting my skin, occasional

stabbing pain in my chest, 24 hrs of one side of my body having a

weird burning sensation when touched, etc etc)...i'm just wondering if

your exposure to mold is what's really causing all your pain. and i've

been to enough doctors to know they were so quick to write off the

real root of my problem (MOLD!) and diagnosis me with all kinds of

stuff (i.e. eye infections, eczema, allergies, etc etc----heck if i

had gone in when i was having respiratory distress, they probably

would have diagnosed me with asthma).

--- In , Brown <charlesb35@...>

wrote:

>

> Thanks for the responses. I have been diagnosed with lupus and

fibromyalgia. Symptoms include extreme fatigue and severe joint

pain--hips, knees, elbows, feet. My knees hurt even just when I roll

over in bed and my elbows hurt if they touch anything. And recently

my mouth started bleeding (a lot)--they said this is caused by lupus.

I tried milk thistle, but it completely blocked my colon--no movement

at all and very painful. I started taking one supplement that is

supposed to help with the flushing process. I wanted to try this one

for a few weeks to see if it helped and if it caused any bad side

effects. I have a lot of days when my brain isn't working correctly

so I apologize if I missed someone's advice.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

: the position that molds are not toxic is the position of ACOEM and

AAAAI. If you go to doctors who are members of these two organizations you will

get the same B.S. over and over again. The positions are based upon skewed

calculations regarding the concentrations of mold spores and theri concentration

of mycotoxins. The calclations are based upon the least sensitive animal

species and ignores the publications of information of Straus' lab and

Gorny in Poland.

Re: [] Re: Can you reverse immune system damage?

Yes, me and my family were exposed to many toxic molds, including stachy,

fusarium, cladosporium, penecillium, chaetomium, aspergillus, etc. We have been

to many, many doctors. For the most part, they don't believe that toxic mold

causes health problems (except respiratory and allergies), but a couple of our

doctors are surprised that me and my family have had so many new health problems

since our exposure. We have also had many different diagnosis for our problems

including the usual " you are just depressed. "

One specialist was ready to tell the truth and told us that she would write it

all in a report. After we left, she was apparently told that she couldn't write

the report because what we got from her was pathetic. Her company receives a lot

of funding from one of the big companies that denies hte health effects of toxic

mold.

We are tired of dealing iwth doctors right now but maybe we will be ready to

try again next year. We would like to visit Dr. Shoemaker or Dr. Croft or

another one of the doctors who actually believes the truth about toxic mold, but

we aren't up to the long trip right now and we arent' sure if our health

insurance will cover the expenses.

xhannahx24 <xhannahx24@...> wrote:

the wife of the manufacturer of where i bought one of my health

modalities from had fibromyalgia. when i spoke with her a few years

ago, she said she tested positive on most of the *points* on her body.

i will email you her phone number.

as far as the milk thistle, was it in liquid form? my experience is

liquid is always better than something that has to be digested, like

capsules.

remind me again, you were exposed to mold, right? did the diagnosis

of lupus & fibro come after your exposure? not trying to sound like a

cynic or anything, but my body hurt too after my exposure to mold

(i.e. painful showers from the water hitting my skin, occasional

stabbing pain in my chest, 24 hrs of one side of my body having a

weird burning sensation when touched, etc etc)...i'm just wondering if

your exposure to mold is what's really causing all your pain. and i've

been to enough doctors to know they were so quick to write off the

real root of my problem (MOLD!) and diagnosis me with all kinds of

stuff (i.e. eye infections, eczema, allergies, etc etc----heck if i

had gone in when i was having respiratory distress, they probably

would have diagnosed me with asthma).

>

> Thanks for the responses. I have been diagnosed with lupus and

fibromyalgia. Symptoms include extreme fatigue and severe joint

pain--hips, knees, elbows, feet. My knees hurt even just when I roll

over in bed and my elbows hurt if they touch anything. And recently

my mouth started bleeding (a lot)--they said this is caused by lupus.

I tried milk thistle, but it completely blocked my colon--no movement

at all and very painful. I started taking one supplement that is

supposed to help with the flushing process. I wanted to try this one

for a few weeks to see if it helped and if it caused any bad side

effects. I have a lot of days when my brain isn't working correctly

so I apologize if I missed someone's advice.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dr. Thrasher, thank you for your comments. It is a tremendous help to have you

sharing your knowledge with this group. It's refreshing and uplifting to hear

from a doctor who is willing to tell the truth.

" Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...> wrote:

: the position that molds are not toxic is the position of

ACOEM and AAAAI. If you go to doctors who are members of these two organizations

you will get the same B.S. over and over again. The positions are based upon

skewed calculations regarding the concentrations of mold spores and theri

concentration of mycotoxins. The calclations are based upon the least sensitive

animal species and ignores the publications of information of Straus' lab

and Gorny in Poland.

Re: [] Re: Can you reverse immune system damage?

Yes, me and my family were exposed to many toxic molds, including stachy,

fusarium, cladosporium, penecillium, chaetomium, aspergillus, etc. We have been

to many, many doctors. For the most part, they don't believe that toxic mold

causes health problems (except respiratory and allergies), but a couple of our

doctors are surprised that me and my family have had so many new health problems

since our exposure. We have also had many different diagnosis for our problems

including the usual " you are just depressed. "

One specialist was ready to tell the truth and told us that she would write it

all in a report. After we left, she was apparently told that she couldn't write

the report because what we got from her was pathetic. Her company receives a lot

of funding from one of the big companies that denies hte health effects of toxic

mold.

We are tired of dealing iwth doctors right now but maybe we will be ready to try

again next year. We would like to visit Dr. Shoemaker or Dr. Croft or another

one of the doctors who actually believes the truth about toxic mold, but we

aren't up to the long trip right now and we arent' sure if our health insurance

will cover the expenses.

xhannahx24 <xhannahx24@...> wrote:

the wife of the manufacturer of where i bought one of my health

modalities from had fibromyalgia. when i spoke with her a few years

ago, she said she tested positive on most of the *points* on her body.

i will email you her phone number.

as far as the milk thistle, was it in liquid form? my experience is

liquid is always better than something that has to be digested, like

capsules.

remind me again, you were exposed to mold, right? did the diagnosis

of lupus & fibro come after your exposure? not trying to sound like a

cynic or anything, but my body hurt too after my exposure to mold

(i.e. painful showers from the water hitting my skin, occasional

stabbing pain in my chest, 24 hrs of one side of my body having a

weird burning sensation when touched, etc etc)...i'm just wondering if

your exposure to mold is what's really causing all your pain. and i've

been to enough doctors to know they were so quick to write off the

real root of my problem (MOLD!) and diagnosis me with all kinds of

stuff (i.e. eye infections, eczema, allergies, etc etc----heck if i

had gone in when i was having respiratory distress, they probably

would have diagnosed me with asthma).

--- In , Brown <charlesb35@...>

wrote:

>

> Thanks for the responses. I have been diagnosed with lupus and

fibromyalgia. Symptoms include extreme fatigue and severe joint

pain--hips, knees, elbows, feet. My knees hurt even just when I roll

over in bed and my elbows hurt if they touch anything. And recently

my mouth started bleeding (a lot)--they said this is caused by lupus.

I tried milk thistle, but it completely blocked my colon--no movement

at all and very painful. I started taking one supplement that is

supposed to help with the flushing process. I wanted to try this one

for a few weeks to see if it helped and if it caused any bad side

effects. I have a lot of days when my brain isn't working correctly

so I apologize if I missed someone's advice.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dr. Thrasher,

I am a patient of Dr. Gray, so fortunately I am familar with your great

information. So for others in this group, can you reverse immune system damage

if caught soon enough? or if its caught yrs later?

Thank you

a Townsend

Brown <charlesb35@...> wrote:

Dr. Thrasher, thank you for your comments. It is a tremendous help to

have you sharing your knowledge with this group. It's refreshing and uplifting

to hear from a doctor who is willing to tell the truth.

[Guest guest]

Cahrles.

Are you talking about immunosuppressants?

People who take immune suppressants have all sorts of health problems

from them. many of them are also used for chemotherapy. In fact, many

immunosuppressants are based on mycotoxins.

[Guest guest]

The most important thing with immune system dysfunction and I know Dr

THrasher will agree iwth me, is you need to REMOVE all toxins from your

environment. Even minor amouts will keep your system out of whack.

Evryone esponds to different dtox protocols, but, everyoine benefits from

non pesticide foods and bottled (glass) not plastic water.

I know a lot of people find relief with hot epsom salt baths with baking

soda in them. While in the tub brushing the skin from bottom to top

following venous blood return to aid with lymphatic drainage.

Once the toxins are removed then you start working ont he immune ystem

supllmentation etc.

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007, a Townsend wrote:

> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:11:09 -0800 (PST)

> From: a Townsend <kmtown2003@...>

> Reply-

>

> Subject: Re: [] Re: Can you reverse immune system damage?

>

> Dr. Thrasher,

> I am a patient of Dr. Gray, so fortunately I am familar with your great

information. So for others in this group, can you reverse immune system damage

if caught soon enough? or if its caught yrs later?

> Thank you

> a Townsend

>

> Brown <charlesb35@...> wrote:

> Dr. Thrasher, thank you for your comments. It is a tremendous help to

have you sharing your knowledge with this group. It's refreshing and uplifting

to hear from a doctor who is willing to tell the truth.

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

KRISTINA: Did Dr. Gray do a C-reactive Protein concentration on you. This is

important to determine if you have a general inflammatory reaction. If you do,

then some supplements can help decrease the inflammation.

Re: [] Re: Can you reverse immune system damage?

Dr. Thrasher,

I am a patient of Dr. Gray, so fortunately I am familar with your great

information. So for others in this group, can you reverse immune system damage

if caught soon enough? or if its caught yrs later?

Thank you

a Townsend

Brown <charlesb35@...> wrote:

Dr. Thrasher, thank you for your comments. It is a tremendous help to have you

sharing your knowledge with this group. It's refreshing and uplifting to hear

from a doctor who is willing to tell the truth.

[Guest guest]

Angel: I agree 100 %. Examples: The pesticides in food, plasticizers from

plastics used with drinking water, smog, etc.. etc.

Re: [] Re: Can you reverse immune system damage?

>

> Dr. Thrasher,

> I am a patient of Dr. Gray, so fortunately I am familar with your great

information. So for others in this group, can you reverse immune system damage

if caught soon enough? or if its caught yrs later?

> Thank you

> a Townsend

>

> Brown <charlesb35@...> wrote:

> Dr. Thrasher, thank you for your comments. It is a tremendous help to have

you sharing your knowledge with this group. It's refreshing and uplifting to

hear from a doctor who is willing to tell the truth.

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh yeah, I've been diagnosed twice with hypersensitivity due to an acute

exposure to all the molds on Dr M's IgE panel plus tricothecenes and aflatoxin

poisoning.plus plus plus, first by the late great Dr. Marinkovich and than the

rest of the family was affected by cross contamination. So we sought out Dr.

Gray. The building I was in is now suppose to be demoed. The environmental

report for this resort was done in 2005 showed everything that not even a

cockroach should be exposed too but yet there are still people there. It

brakes my heart to think that other innocent people are still being exposed.

I know only 24% of the population are predispositioned to get this sick if

exposed but tricothecenes and aflotoxins due some serious harm. Everyone is a

moving target for those guys. I feel blessed for finding this group and

realtime labs early in my illness. . I was diagnosed only 3 months after my

exposure. It would have been sooner if it weren't for the brain injury. I am

doing everything in my power to beat this., I just wish that it wasn't so hard

for my 8yr old.

God Bless you for all your efforts,

a

P.S. The ?? and answer was for the group. Some where out there your answer

will give someone hope. I know there were many days for me thats all I had, I

still cling to it

" Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...> wrote:

KRISTINA: Did Dr. Gray do a C-reactive Protein concentration on you.

This is important to determine if you have a general inflammatory reaction. If

you do, then some supplements can help decrease the inflammation.

Re: [] Re: Can you reverse immune system damage?

Dr. Thrasher,

I am a patient of Dr. Gray, so fortunately I am familar with your great

information. So for others in this group, can you reverse immune system damage

if caught soon enough? or if its caught yrs later?

Thank you

a Townsend

Brown <charlesb35@...> wrote:

Dr. Thrasher, thank you for your comments. It is a tremendous help to have you

sharing your knowledge with this group. It's refreshing and uplifting to hear

from a doctor who is willing to tell the truth.

[Guest guest]

No. You do not want to suppress the immune system. You want to reduce the

inflammation by natural means and alternative medicine approach. I will give

more on this tomorrow. I have been on the computer all day to today and my

girlfriend and I want some time together.

Re: [] Re: Can you reverse immune system damage?

Cahrles.

Are you talking about immunosuppressants?

People who take immune suppressants have all sorts of health problems

from them. many of them are also used for chemotherapy. In fact, many

immunosuppressants are based on mycotoxins.

[Guest guest]

Brain not working today. Not sure about yoru question. Will waitto hear Dr.

Thrashers ansewr tomorrow.

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: Cahrles.

Are you talking about immunosuppressants?

People who take immune suppressants have all sorts of health problems

from them. many of them are also used for chemotherapy. In fact, many

immunosuppressants are based on mycotoxins.

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[Guest guest]

Jack,

Thank you!

On Nov 23, 2007 11:11 PM, Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. <toxicologist1@...> wrote:

> No. You do not want to suppress the immune system. You want to reduce the

> inflammation by natural means and alternative medicine approach. I will give

> more on this tomorrow. I have been on the computer all day to today and my

> girlfriend and I want some time together.

>

,

What autoimmune conditions do you have?

People with serious autoimmune conditions seem to be stuck on steroids

and immunosuppressive drugs.

It can be life threatening for them to screw up their treatments so

they tend to be conservative. The best would have been if they had

never been exposed in the first place but as you need your immune

system, you can't.

Total body irradiation and then a bone marrow transplant, is that what

you meant?

[Guest guest]

LiveSimply, I'm doing better today. To answer your question, I'm not taking

immunosuppresants.

Brown <charlesb35@...> wrote: Brain not working today.

Not sure about yoru question. Will waitto hear Dr. Thrashers ansewr tomorrow.

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: Cahrles.

Are you talking about immunosuppressants?

People who take immune suppressants have all sorts of health problems

from them. many of them are also used for chemotherapy. In fact, many

immunosuppressants are based on mycotoxins.

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[Guest guest]

i think we all have had that same experience of skepticism from

doctors. can u have a local doctor prescribe Cholestyramine

(utilizing Dr Shoemaker's protocol of 4x/day) for you & your family?

if not, first thing's first--get out of the toxic environment, whether

it be your residence (or workplace). secondly, get your liver up to

par so it can do its job.

when/if you decide to do liver flushes/cleanses, email me so i can

give you more tips (i.e. choosing the olive oil, the process itself,

etc).

--- In , Brown <charlesb35@...>

wrote:

>

> Yes, me and my family were exposed to many toxic molds, including

stachy, fusarium, cladosporium, penecillium, chaetomium, aspergillus,

etc. We have been to many, many doctors. For the most part, they

don't believe that toxic mold causes health problems (except

respiratory and allergies), but a couple of our doctors are surprised

that me and my family have had so many new health problems since our

exposure. We have also had many different diagnosis for our problems

including the usual " you are just depressed. "

>

> One specialist was ready to tell the truth and told us that she

would write it all in a report. After we left, she was apparently

told that she couldn't write the report because what we got from her

was pathetic. Her company receives a lot of funding from one of the

big companies that denies hte health effects of toxic mold.

>

> We are tired of dealing iwth doctors right now but maybe we will

be ready to try again next year. We would like to visit Dr. Shoemaker

or Dr. Croft or another one of the doctors who actually believes the

truth about toxic mold, but we aren't up to the long trip right now

and we arent' sure if our health insurance will cover the expenses.

>

[Guest guest]

Most of the local doctors won't listen to anything about toxic mold. A couple

of them believe that toxic mold is harmful, but they are too afraid to speak up

or help us. I gave Dr. Shoemaker's list of blood tests to a couple of them and

even gave his book to one of them, but no luck.

One doctor actually yelled at us when we tried to talk to him about toxic

mold. He said that " when 500,000 people start dying every year from toxic mold

like they do from heart attacks, then he will deal with it. "

We have been out of the toixc house for quite a while. Our lung damage and

allergic reactions improved but most of hte other problems ocntinue.

[Guest guest]

My most severe symptoms got some relief after 2 weeks out of a moldy

house-but the rest only after I was on CSM for quite a while-get a

perscription somehow-you may need to be on it for years.

> We have been out of the toixc house for quite a while. Our lung

damage and allergic reactions improved but most of hte other problems

ocntinue.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes-a man in my old moldy town had 3 heart attacks before the Health

Dept moved him out of his house-because of mold. A 48 year old woman

around the corner from were I lived died -with a totally occluded heart-

she had all the signs of extreme mold illness-I could not even walk

into the house to pay my respects it was so moldy.

karen>

> Tell your doctor that heart attacks might be caused indirectly by

> toxic mold. Where I worked, there were 5 simultaneous cases of

> endocarditis where a couple of the victims died.

>

> Barth

>

>

> ---

>