Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Sorry, I thought most folks knew that one would be aiming for about the same level of salinity found in the over the counter products. Like all things sensitivities to salt vary among people. We are talking tiny amounts, like a quarter tsp in an 8 oz glass of water. But, I'm not really sure about exact amounts of salt because I just put a tiny bit in my hand and dump it in a six ounce glass and put in however much water corresponds to the amount of salt I've put in. If I'm only going to do one group of salt water hold-and-rinses then the amount of salt is too small to use any standard measuring spoons I have. If I'm gargling with it I'll pout in maybe an eighth of a tsp of salt and the six oz of water, but not sure if that is exact, either. I take a sip of the salt water each and every time I use it to see how salty it is. That's the only way to really do it so it isn't too salty or not salty enough. Salt water is benig n, just don't want to burn the nasal passages! I do make it a little stronger if I have a cold or a little weaker if I'm doing it several times a day so it won't irritate as badly. It really is a trial and error sort of treatment, and one where trial and error isn't going to hurt us. Good luck. I really dislike laying with my head hanging off the bed or couch, but boy does it get the salt water to where it's needed. No comparison to squirting it into the nose while standing/sitting upright. An allergist my husband had as a child told him of this method of getting it way back up into the sinuses. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Sunniesback55@... Hi Kay..Trial and error huh? lol..ok..since you do this tell us, HOW much salt do you use and how much water? You're really gonna make us go through trial and error?? lol..hey now ..help a sister out ! <smile> Sandie Never Look Down on SomeoneUnless You're Willing to Help Them Up Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 I agree Kay – most of my life use natural (ie, not processed) honey – even to take the sourness off nat yoghurt when I used to eat it a lot. Sugars, no good at all. I enjoy Cadbury dark cooking chocolate because not too fatty, and not really sweetened, joy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Hi Kay, I guess, like so much of our particular conditions, bronch being variable, sp production being variable, etc that possibly yoghurt is enough. I thought it was for me when I was younger, but looking back at the gut probs I had, unceasingly, I wish I had known years – many - years ago. Just the fact that you have to take abx more than 2xyearly, and knocks out ALL gut flora, multiply that by how many years doing that, multiply by any increases in that ratio, plus all the other meds impacting on the digestive system etc – there’s not much time for the gut to ‘get healthy’... Hope this enlightens somewhat, joy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Kay, What were the nasal drip meds? I think salt would probably do better, and NOT have any side-effects. One way I do it is with one of those little dropper bottles, and use the dropper to squirt up into sinuses. Having a cleft palate as well, I have to really work at keeping sinuses clean, and yes, it does contribute to lung infx. joy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 lin, I don’t know Advair, but I am almost 100% sure that Spiriva is very fungal encouraging – any of the steroid inhalers will. I have been told to drink a glass of water immediately after to wash it from the throat (to where, the gut, then what???). I have found that brushing my teeth with bicarb soda has helped enormously in general oral health (clean your tongue using your toothbrush and bicarb). It may sting, or burn a bit at first – dilute it down, but persist. The burn goes away soon anyway, no after effects, and gets rid of that awful metallic/bad breath taste that the Candida creates. For treatment of Candida out of reach, you may have to do a 6 weeks on Lamisil or something. If you have any persistent scaly sores which don’t go away, they can be identified by biopsy as Candida. Certainly, if you find there’s evidence of infx in different areas of the body, in diff forms, I haven’t found any other relief other than taking meds. Diflucan didn’t really work either, btw, but maybe because by this time was well entrenched through various areas of my body... Candida, especially if in lungs can make you feel as unwell, lethargic, wheezy, rattly cough etc as the bacterial infx, and is often not dx. Hope this helps! joy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Marilyn and others, PS to the Candida – I’ve also had naturopaths tell me that sweet craving is due to fungal infx, and will encourage it, but am not so sure either – I don’t eat sweets, or crave sweet, and have had a six year uphill pull to get Candida infx under control ... joy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Trader Joe's stores have a 72% cacao Pound Plus bar that is good and the least expensive I've found. I chop it into chunks on the scored lines it has and put it in a zip lock bag in the fridge so I can just grabl one every day. Dove Dark pieces are good, too, and one of the few that don't bother my acid too much if I only eat two or so at a time. Kay -------------- Original message -------------- I agree Kay – most of my life use natural (ie, not processed) honey – even to take the sourness off nat yoghurt when I used to eat it a lot. Sugars, no good at all. I enjoy Cadbury dark cooking chocolate because not too fatty, and not really sweetened,joy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Oh yes, I can see where more is what works and I try to take two tablets a day and eat yogurt, too. -------------- Original message -------------- Hi Kay,I guess, like so much of our particular conditions, bronch being variable, sp production being variable, etc that possibly yoghurt is enough. I thought it was for me when I was younger, but looking back at the gut probs I had, unceasingly, I wish I had known years – many - years ago. Just the fact that you have to take abx more than 2xyearly, and knocks out ALL gut flora, multiply that by how many years doing that, multiply by any increases in that ratio, plus all the other meds impacting on the digestive system etc – there’s not much time for the gut to ‘get healthy’...Hope this enlightens somewhat,joy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 It was a steroid of some kind, can't remember, Nasonex one time and another from another doc. I, too use a dropper from an empty bottle to get into the nostrils. That study said home made salt water rinses (rinse and holds work best, as I said before) work better than antibiotics to cure sinus infections! Pretty amazing but it makes sense. Kay -------------- Original message -------------- Kay, What were the nasal drip meds? I think salt would probably do better, and NOT have any side-effects. One way I do it is with one of those little dropper bottles, and use the dropper to squirt up into sinuses. Having a cleft palate as well, I have to really work at keeping sinuses clean, and yes, it does contribute to lung infx.joy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Marilyn - What did you use to get rid of all the thrush? I would like to respond to this. I had a couple serious bouts with thrush. My dr prescribed "Nystatin".. You swish it around in your mouth..and then swallow. It's pleasant tasting and does the job well.. Sandie Never Look Down on SomeoneUnless You're Willing to Help Them UpStart the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Marilyn - What did you use to get rid of all the thrush? From: bronchiectasis [mailto:bronchiectasis ] On Behalf Of Mmanow1@... Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 9:47 AM To: bronchiectasis Subject: Re: probiotics and abx Joy, I don't remember what they gave me about 2 years ago when my internist (before I was diagnosed with bronch) had me do a routine colonoscopy and endoscopy. It was found that my esophagus was full of thrush. I can tell I have it now because my tongue is coated with white. I believe it is usually from taking inhaled steroids. I was using Advair at the time. My inhaled med now is Spireva, which I believe helps a lot with the breathing. Marilyn Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Sandie,Funny I never thought of it when told to swallow, but when writing it a little voice was saying exactly what you said – if it’s that bad, why introduce it further in?!joy Joy..we're not talking about swishing and gargling with water to remove the remnants of the inhaled steroid..such as Advair.. We're talking about thrush in the mouth and possibly esophogus..and possibly even down into the gastro system. The Nystatin is a med used to treat and eliminate this fungal infection when one doesn't swish gargle and spit while using the Advair. The Nystatin treats this fungai..in our mouths, esophogus and gastro.. Sandie Never Look Down on SomeoneUnless You're Willing to Help Them UpStart the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Hi Kay, Yes, even web-searching (during v bad sinus inf) came up with the ordinary tap-water (or pre-boil if sus) and home salt as best treatment. I tend to vary the amount of salt to how desperate I am to ‘clean up’ and will make it fairly strong to get that initial boost – it hurts like hell, but only briefly, but – it really shifts things. After that I ease back on the solution strength and keep flushing up to 4 x day if I feel like it’s helping, after that, 2 x day seems fine and eventually you forget because it’s not bothering you ie, cleared up. BUT BEWARE anything steroid – oral will encourage osteoporosis for sure, from every source I’ve come across, and sprays etc will encourage fungal growth, also can be v nasty (as Marilyn attests) when it becomes established. Just another prob can well do without!! Cheers, Joy (from Oz) -- Sentient beings, all our very own mothers, are as limitless as space Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Sandie, Funny I never thought of it when told to swallow, but when writing it a little voice was saying exactly what you said – if it’s that bad, why introduce it further in?! joy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 A GI doctor is a gastroenterology specialist, or else I just meant the initials for the word gastrointestinal system. Can't remember the specs of the e-mail since it was a bit ago but it would be one of those. Hope that helps. Kay -------------- Original message -------------- Kay – what is GI? Gastric infx?joy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 Thanks Kay, re GI - now I know, Cheers joy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 My pul dr also believes it adds to the junk in my lungs. Going to sinus dr Monday. If anything good comes up, will let you all know. From: bronchiectasis [mailto:bronchiectasis ] On Behalf Of ericnkayn@... Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 4:42 PM To: bronchiectasis Subject: RE: probiotics and abx Boy, I sure don't blame you for avoiding those foods! The pulm dr gave me a nasal prescription for post nasal drip because he saw some in the back of my throat, but being the med avoider I am I haven't filled it! I do salt water rinses every day at least once to try to keep infections at bay, but don't have any other ideas about the drip, unfortunately. The dr said it contributes to the lung problems, adding fluid from aspiration, which I've had problems with. Kay --------- Re: probiotics and abx Kay, You’re one of the lucky ones – could fill a small ?cup on a good day I think! So any mucus-encouraging foods just not on my diet!, Cheers, joy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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