Charcoal and Bentonite

[Guest guest]

Hello,

Has anyone tried food grade activated charcoal and bentonite clay as

a method of internal mold remediation? Since I cannot move out of my

moldy home due to unemployment, I have purchased some activated

charcoal and bentonite instead. They work quite well.

Both charcoal and bentonite adsorb toxins by drawing mold and toxins

into themselves as they travel through the digestive tract. Then they

are removed from the body along with other waste.

To use bentonite, you add one quarter of a cup of dried bentonite

clay to a half a gallon of water, making sure not to use metal spoons

or pitchers as that would damage the electrical charge of the clay.

Let stand over night to rehydrate the clay. Do not use plastic

pitchers or containers because the clay will start to pull apart the

polymers that make up the plastic.

Then you drink it throughout the day. If you find that the clay is

constipating, that's because your digestion doesn't work. Take

psyllium husk or prunes in water until you are okay again.

To take charcoal, it's best to buy it in bulk and be very careful not

to spill it on your clothes or carpeting as it can stain. Add 2

tablespoons to water and sip it through a straw to avoid staining

your teeth and chin.

Both bentonite and charcoal are universal detoxifiers. Charcoal is

used in emergency rooms for poisoning. In a famous 19th century

experiment, a scientist took a fatal dose of poison along with

activated charcoal. He survived.

Hope that helps,

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for the info on these two substances. Where did you find out about the

dosages? Also, do you take the charcoal with, before, or after meals?

I've heard both charcoal and bentonite will pull anything out -- not just the

bad stuff -- so any vitamin/mineral supplements would likely be antidoted in the

process.

Although the doc told me one would have to take 4 pounds of bentonite a day for

it to have any effect, I know it's been used in traditional cultures for detox

for aeons.

I may give it a try again since I'm allergic to the meds.

thanks again,

arlene

cmross428 <cmross428@...> wrote: Hello,

Has anyone tried food grade activated charcoal and bentonite clay as

a method of internal mold remediation? Since I cannot move out of my

moldy home due to unemployment, I have purchased some activated

charcoal and bentonite instead. They work quite well.

Both charcoal and bentonite adsorb toxins by drawing mold and toxins

into themselves as they travel through the digestive tract. Then they

are removed from the body along with other waste.

To use bentonite, you add one quarter of a cup of dried bentonite

clay to a half a gallon of water, making sure not to use metal spoons

or pitchers as that would damage the electrical charge of the clay.

Let stand over night to rehydrate the clay. Do not use plastic

pitchers or containers because the clay will start to pull apart the

polymers that make up the plastic.

Then you drink it throughout the day. If you find that the clay is

constipating, that's because your digestion doesn't work. Take

psyllium husk or prunes in water until you are okay again.

To take charcoal, it's best to buy it in bulk and be very careful not

to spill it on your clothes or carpeting as it can stain. Add 2

tablespoons to water and sip it through a straw to avoid staining

your teeth and chin.

Both bentonite and charcoal are universal detoxifiers. Charcoal is

used in emergency rooms for poisoning. In a famous 19th century

experiment, a scientist took a fatal dose of poison along with

activated charcoal. He survived.

Hope that helps,

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[Guest guest]

I have tried just about everything to get out mold toxins-the only

thing that works for me is CSM-even that will not work if you are in

a moldy environment.

>

> ,

> Thanks for the info on these two substances. Where did you find

out about the dosages? Also, do you take the charcoal with, before,

or after meals?

> I've heard both charcoal and bentonite will pull anything out --

not just the bad stuff -- so any vitamin/mineral supplements would

likely be antidoted in the process.

> Although the doc told me one would have to take 4 pounds of

bentonite a day for it to have any effect, I know it's been used in

traditional cultures for detox for aeons.

> I may give it a try again since I'm allergic to the meds.

> thanks again,

> arlene

>

[Guest guest]

CSM binds with the Toxins and the Charcoal or bentonite clay pull it out.

carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote: I have

tried just about everything to get out mold toxins-the only

thing that works for me is CSM-even that will not work if you are in

a moldy environment.

>

> ,

> Thanks for the info on these two substances. Where did you find

out about the dosages? Also, do you take the charcoal with, before,

or after meals?

> I've heard both charcoal and bentonite will pull anything out --

not just the bad stuff -- so any vitamin/mineral supplements would

likely be antidoted in the process.

> Although the doc told me one would have to take 4 pounds of

bentonite a day for it to have any effect, I know it's been used in

traditional cultures for detox for aeons.

> I may give it a try again since I'm allergic to the meds.

> thanks again,

> arlene

>

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[Guest guest]

The studies that I have seen on mycotoxins show cholestyramine

( " CSM " ) way out ahead of other bile acid sequestrants on binding

mycotoxins. Have there been any studies showing otherwise?

Activated charcoal is a general detoxifier, but cholestyramine is

probably the best for *mold* from what I have read and also personal

experience. I have never heard about clay being used to bind

mycotoxins but it may be effective on some level. But I would guess

that CSM would probably be much better.

I think that if more people knew about cholestyramine those people

would be much faster to realize what was poisoning them because it

brings the overall toxin level down which helps you notice where the

exposure is coming from, when before, you were just SICK.

Thats important.

I know that edible clay is very useful for GI problems, for example,

with products like Kaopectate, etc.

[Guest guest]

I went looking for refs comparing the two and this is what I found.

This process is of interest commercially because farmers want to be

able to feed moldy grain (which is cheaper) to livestock without

killing them. The idea is that they could add cholestyramine to the

moldy grain and that would make it safer for pigs, etc. to eat.:

Food Addit Contam. 2005 Apr;22(4):379-88.

Recent advances on the use of adsorbent materials for

detoxification of Fusarium mycotoxins.

Avantaggiato G, Solfrizzo M, Visconti A.

Institute of Sciences of Food Production, National Research

Council, Bari, Italy. giuseppina.avantaggiato@...

The extensive use of adsorbents in the livestock industry has led

to the introduction of a wide range of new products on the market,

most of them claiming high in vitro mycotoxin adsorption capacity.

However, adsorbents that may appear effective in vitro do not

necessarily retain their efficacy when tested in vivo. Studies

performed in our laboratory during the past few years aiming to

evaluate the efficacy of various adsorbent materials in binding

Fusarium mycotoxins are reported. Adsorption experiments were

performed in in vitro screening tests for Fusarium mycotoxins at

different pHs; by in vivo tests using the increase of the sphinganine

to sphingosine ratio in rat urine and tissues as a biomarker of

fumonisin exposure; and by a dynamic, computer-controlled,

gastrointestinal model simulating the gastrointestinal tract of

healthy pigs. Most of the commercially available mycotoxin-binders

failed in sequestering in vitro Fusarium mycotoxins. Only for a small

number of adsorbent materials was the ability to bind more than one

mycotoxin demonstrated. Cholestyramine was proven to be an effective

binder for fumonisins and zearalenone in vitro, which was confirmed

for zearalenone in experiments using a dynamic gastrointestinal model

and for fumonisins in in vivo experiments. No adsorbent materials,

with the exception of activated carbon, showed relevant ability in

binding deoxynivalenol and nivalenol. The in vitro efficacy of

activated carbon toward fumonisins was not confirmed in vivo by the

biomarker assay. The dynamic gastrointestinal model was a reliable

tool to study the effectiveness of adsorbent materials in reducing the

bioaccessibility of Fusarium mycotoxins, as an alternative to the more

difficult and time-consuming studies with domestic livestock.

Arch Anim Nutr. 2004 Aug;58(4):311-24.

In vitro studies on the evaluation of mycotoxin detoxifying agents

for their efficacy on deoxynivalenol and zearalenone.

Döll S, Dänicke S, Valenta H, Flachowsky G.

Institute of Animal Nutrition, Federal Agricultural Research

Centre (FAL), Braunschweig, Germany. susanne.doell@...

A simple in vitro system was developed to study the efficacy of

commercially available mycotoxin detoxifying agents and adsorbing

substances as feed additives to detoxify deoxynivalenol (DON) and

zearalenone (ZON) in situ. The in vitro model simulates the conditions

(pH, temperature and transit time) of the porcine gastrointestinal

tract, as pigs react most sensitively to these mycotoxins. The

commercially available products were not effective in detoxifying DON

and ZON under the applied conditions, while activated carbon was able

to bind both toxins and cholestyramine, and a modified aluminosilicate

showed good adsorption abilities for ZON. Data obtained in dose

dependency studies showed an estimated adsorption capacity of

cholestyramine and the modified aluminosilicate of 11.7 and 5.7 g

ZON/kg detoxifying agent. The in vitro system deployed in the present

study was demonstrated to be a simple, helpful tool in screening

substances for their ability to detoxify DON and ZON under the

simulated conditions of the porcine gastrointestinal tract.

Nonetheless in vivo experiments are indispensable to proof the

efficacy.

Food Chem Toxicol. 2003 Oct;41(10):1283-90. Related Articles, Links

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Assessing the zearalenone-binding activity of adsorbent materials

during passage through a dynamic in vitro gastrointestinal model.

Avantaggiato G, Havenaar R, Visconti A.

CNR Institute of Sciences of Food Production, I-70125 Bari, Italy.

giuseppina.avantaggiato@...

A novel approach is presented herein to study the intestinal

absorption of mycotoxins by using a laboratory model that mimics the

metabolic processes of the gastrointestinal (GI) tract of healthy

pigs. This model was used to evaluate the small-intestinal absorption

of zearalenone from contaminated wheat (4.1 mg/kg) and the

effectiveness of activated carbon and cholestyramine at four inclusion

levels (0.25, 0.5, 1 and 2%) in reducing toxin absorption.

Approximately 32% of ZEA intake (247 microg) was released from the

food matrix during 6 h of digestion and was rapidly absorbed at

intestinal level. A significant reduction of intestinal absorption of

ZEA was found after inclusion of activated carbon or cholestyramine,

even at the lowest dose of adsorbents, with a more pronounced effect

exhibited by activated carbon. In particular, when 2% of activated

carbon or cholestyramine was added to the meal the ZEA intestinal

absorption was lowered from 32% of ZEA intake to 5 and 16%,

respectively. The sequestering effect of both adsorbents took place

already during the first 2 h of digestion and persisted during the

rest of the experiment. The GI-model is a rapid and physiologically

relevant method to test the efficacy of adsorbent materials in binding

mycotoxins and can be used to pre-screen mycotoxin/adsorbent

combinations as an alternative to animal experiments.

Mycopathologia. 2001;151(3):147-53.

In vitro and in vivo studies to assess the effectiveness of

cholestyramine as a binding agent for fumonisins.

Solfrizzo M, Visconti A, Avantaggiato G, A, Chulze S.

Istituto Tossine e Micotossine da Parassiti Vegetali, CNR, Bari,

Italy. itmpms12@...

Several adsorbent materials were tested at I mg/ml for their in

vitro capacity to adsorb fumonisin B1(FB1) from aqueous solutions.

Cholestyramine showed the best adsorption capacity (85% from a

solution containing 200 microg/ml FB1) followed by activated carbon

(62% FB1). Bentonite adsorbed only 12% of the toxin from a solution

containing 13 microg/ml FB1, while celite was not effective even at

the lowest tested FB1 concentration (3.2 microg/ml). Cholestyramine

was tested in vivo to evaluate its capacity to reduce the

bioavailability of fumonisins (FBs) in rats fed diet contaminated with

toxigenic Fusarium verticillioides culture material. Rats were exposed

for one week to FBs-free diet, FBs-contaminated diet containing 6 or

20 microg/g FB1 + FB2 and the same FBs-contaminated diet added of 20

mg/g cholestyramine. The increase of sphinganine/sphingosine (SA/SO)

ratio in urine and kidney of treated rats was used as specific and

sensitive biomarker of fumonisin exposure. The addition of

cholestyramine to the FBs-contaminated diets consistently reduced the

effect of FBs by reducing significantly (P < 0.05) both urinary and

renal SA/SO ratios.

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[Guest guest]

yes, i've tried charcoal... & bentonite clay (with psyllium

husks)...and Cholestyramine. they all might have helped a little bit,

but for me, they were more or less a " band-aid " treatment.

>

> Hello,

>

> Has anyone tried food grade activated charcoal and bentonite clay as

> a method of internal mold remediation? Since I cannot move out of my

> moldy home due to unemployment, I have purchased some activated

> charcoal and bentonite instead. They work quite well.

>

> Both charcoal and bentonite adsorb toxins by drawing mold and toxins

> into themselves as they travel through the digestive tract. Then they

> are removed from the body along with other waste.

>

> To use bentonite, you add one quarter of a cup of dried bentonite

> clay to a half a gallon of water, making sure not to use metal spoons

> or pitchers as that would damage the electrical charge of the clay.

> Let stand over night to rehydrate the clay. Do not use plastic

> pitchers or containers because the clay will start to pull apart the

> polymers that make up the plastic.

>

> Then you drink it throughout the day. If you find that the clay is

> constipating, that's because your digestion doesn't work. Take

> psyllium husk or prunes in water until you are okay again.

>

> To take charcoal, it's best to buy it in bulk and be very careful not

> to spill it on your clothes or carpeting as it can stain. Add 2

> tablespoons to water and sip it through a straw to avoid staining

> your teeth and chin.

>

> Both bentonite and charcoal are universal detoxifiers. Charcoal is

> used in emergency rooms for poisoning. In a famous 19th century

> experiment, a scientist took a fatal dose of poison along with

> activated charcoal. He survived.

> Hope that helps,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Cholestyramine really helped me.