RE : Re: RE : IJOEH article re:ACOEM and industry making quite a stir!

November 20, 2007

I am a Roman Catholic and feel that, in light of the child sex abuse scandals, I

feel is an appropriate analogy. The medical profession has a high ethical

standard, not unlike the one, which a church leaders are supposed to comport

itself, and have compromised themselves, in the same devious fashion. Doing bad

things, then covering them up. For years.

It is the notion of " abuse of trust " that is tantamount here. I am personally

ashamed of what has happened in MY church. Although I love the Catholic faith,

the " players " have abused the confidence of the people. Abuse of confidence is

never a good thing. In any context.

There have been trials, and convictions, and jail for this bad behavior.

Catholic Parishes have closed and people devastated because of lies which were

covered up.

The medical profession,in my opinion, has abused the confidence and position

of honor and good repute, with regard toxic mold, and resulting illnesses. I

personally have found doctors who make every effort to maintain their integrity

among the corruption which exists. It is doubtful a forum such as this

would exist, if members were getting good medical attention and

care. It appears that the challenge to the " powers that be'' has been

challenged in that profession.

No intent to disparage any religion was ever present. Trials and convictions

are part of documented history. It was the analogy of " poor behavior " which is

at issue, with the recent developments of " group " dynamic of policy decisions

affecting the diagnosis, treatment and eligibility for worker benefits.

We can certainly disagree, without being disagreeable. I respect the

viewpoints, of those whom I don't agree with. No religious disparagement was

ever intended. Simply a comparison of two groups whose behavior has been

shameful. Please accept my apology if you have been offended.

Pam Gibbard <pqgibbard@...> a écrit :

I am not Roman Catholic, but I am offended by this remark. Please

consider that it compromises our message to include the ridicule of a

religious group (or racial or ethnic group, for that matter).

>

> These doctors who operate behind the group dynamic have as much

credibility as the Roman Catholic Church.

>

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November 21, 2007

ALL/Ginloi:

" These doctors who operate behind the group dynamic have as much credibility as

the Roman Catholic Church. "

I am also a Catholic, but to bring the disciplines of the Catholic church into a

conversation relating to unethical scientific research and business practices of

the medical profession is like comparing " apples to oranges. " For the medical

profession, and teaching institutions to virtually neglect a " Kingdom Fungi " and

hundreds of microbial species that have plagued and destroyed animals, human

beings, and plant life (and virtually every other living species on earth) for

nearly two billion years is not only sacrilegious, but far removed from

Christianity and the teachings of Christ. For medical doctors to attend church

services on Sunday and allow unethical practices to plague their Hippocratic

Oath Monday through Saturday each week by simply stating to their patients, " I

don't know about molds, and I don't want to know! " is not a standard of ethical

behavior found anywhere in any Bible that I am aware of. When I was in the US

Army, if we failed to know the answer to a question asked, our immediate

response was, " I do not know sir, but I will make it my business to find out! "

One particular " Bible " of the medical profession over 100 years old, and

authored by some of the greatest medical authorities in the profession is the

" Merck Manual. " Though I had one medical doctor express to me that, " The Merck

Manual is just a reference for nurses and interns! " Meanwhile, literally

thousands of people are dying of respiratory diseases, neurological diseases,

cancers, and other forms of diseases where the influence of molds carry a

primary impact. I also do not apologize for what I am stating herein, because

scientists of research esteem have been writing about this impact in medical

journals for well over a century, but somehow the ACOEM (a " college " ???) seems

to have basically overlooked the science at hand! When members of the ACOEM and

other medical associations fail to question authority of their elected/appointed

peers, are they not failing the ethics of their profession and themselves? In

the Merck Manual, eight of the eleven serious fungal diseases mentioned in the

Medical Mycology section, Chapter 158 (Centenial Edition 1999) specificies that

the respiratory system is the primary mode of microbial entry (i.e., breathing

pathogenic fungi through the mouth and nose). Ask any 5th Grader, and on that

one and perhaps nearly every doctor that professes that external and internal

colonized fungi are not unhealthy to animals and human will not be " Smarter Than

A 5th Grader! " In fact, better than equating the Catholic or any other church to

the medical profession, let's test them against a set of 5th Graders... Who do

you think my bet would be on? The fact is, the factual molecular sciences have

been removed from the medical equation of fungi and human health, replaced by

the value of pure economics and greed over human health and safety. A word to

the ACOEM, please... test me in court on that one!!! I'm up and ready for the

challenge. The American public has put their hard earned money into the belief

that American doctors are trustworthy and ethical, it is absolutely time to step

up to 21st Century where communications and reality are only a " keystroke " away

from the facts, and do everything it can to place " human life, and the quality

of life over anything else that exists! That is what I put my life on the line

for in Vietnam, not the absolute " ignorance " that we are observing in the

medical profession today. We are Americans, not a " stupid society " following

blindly. We question, because when medical care is a a premium (which we are

paying today) we expect a proper diagnosis and a healthy treatment plan! We are

not getting this today! It is time for the medical profession to " step up to the

plate! "

Doug Haney

Maridea EnviroHealth Research

Email: _Haney52@...

@...: ginloi@...: Tue, 20 Nov 2007

20:25:54 +0100Subject: RE : Re: RE : [] IJOEH article re:ACOEM and

industry making quite a stir!

I am a Roman Catholic and feel that, in light of the child sex abuse scandals, I

feel is an appropriate analogy. The medical profession has a high ethical

standard, not unlike the one, which a church leaders are supposed to comport

itself, and have compromised themselves, in the same devious fashion. Doing bad

things, then covering them up. For years. It is the notion of " abuse of trust "

that is tantamount here. I am personally ashamed of what has happened in MY

church. Although I love the Catholic faith, the " players " have abused the

confidence of the people. Abuse of confidence is never a good thing. In any

context.There have been trials, and convictions, and jail for this bad behavior.

Catholic Parishes have closed and people devastated because of lies which were

covered up. The medical profession,in my opinion, has abused the confidence and

position of honor and good repute, with regard toxic mold, and resulting

illnesses. I personally have found doctors who make every effort to maintain

their integrity among the corruption which exists. It is doubtful a forum such

as this would exist, if members were getting good medical

attention and care. It appears that the challenge to the " powers that be'' has

been challenged in that profession. No intent to disparage any religion was ever

present. Trials and convictions are part of documented history. It was the

analogy of " poor behavior " which is at issue, with the recent developments of

" group " dynamic of policy decisions affecting the diagnosis, treatment and

eligibility for worker benefits. We can certainly disagree, without being

disagreeable. I respect the viewpoints, of those whom I don't agree with. No

religious disparagement was ever intended. Simply a comparison of two groups

whose behavior has been shameful. Please accept my apology if you have been

offended.Pam Gibbard <pqgibbard@...> a écrit :I am not Roman Catholic,

but I am offended by this remark. Please consider that it compromises our

message to include the ridicule of a religious group (or racial or ethnic group,

for that matter). --- In , ginloi <ginloi@...>

wrote:>> These doctors who operate behind the group dynamic have as much

credibility as the Roman Catholic Church.> ---------------------------------Ne

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November 21, 2007

Wow, Doug! Well said! Wonder what it will take to finally allow the truth to

be revealed?

Haney <_Haney52@...> wrote: ALL/Ginloi: