Re: WHS Mold Documentary - by a student

[Guest guest]

THIS IS GREAT,IT SHOULD BE ON TV,PLAYED OVER AND OVER AGAIN,

PEOPLE NEED TO GET PISSED AND DO SOMETHING. MAYBE ALL KIDS EVERYWHERE

SHOULD JUST REFUSE TO GO TO MOLD INFESTED SCHOOLS AND THEIR PARENTS

SHOULD STAND BEHIND THEM. WE ALL KNOW THIS PROBLEM IS NOT GOING TO

JUST GO AWAY BY ITSELF. I PERSONALLY FELL THAT THE MEMBERS OF THE

ACOEM AND AAAAI THAT HINDERED THE PROCESS OF TOXIC MOLDS BEING

RECONIZED AND CAUSED SO MANY TO SUFFER SHOULD BE LINED UP AND SHOT.

IT IS A DISGRACE TO OUR COUNTRY THAT THIS HAS BEEN ALLOWED TO HAPPEN.

IT'S NOTHING SHORT OF A TERROIST ATTACK ON OUR ON PEOPLE BY OUR OWN

PEOPLE. WHY ARE WE SPENDING MILLIONS ON ANOTHER COUNTRY WHILE OUR OWN

KIDS ARE SUFFERING? IT'S DISCUSTING!

--- In , " tigerpaw2c " <tigerpaw2c@...>

wrote:

>

> Westview High School

>

> WHS Mold Documentary - by a student

> Please take the time to watch, in its entirety.

> This is and has always been about THEM!

> Thanks!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think kids refusing to go to mold infested schools would work

because the 'lower taxes' advocates would just LOVE that.

They hate the idea of public schooling and they are trying to destroy

the public education system and mold is one of the ways they hope to

do it.

No, those kids should wear N100 masks and other PPE while they go to

school and their parents should fight for healthy schools by informing

the news media what is going on and WHY.

On Nov 30, 2007 12:16 PM, who <jeaninem660@...> wrote:

>

> THIS IS GREAT,IT SHOULD BE ON TV,PLAYED OVER AND OVER AGAIN,

> PEOPLE NEED TO GET PISSED AND DO SOMETHING. MAYBE ALL KIDS EVERYWHERE

> SHOULD JUST REFUSE TO GO TO MOLD INFESTED SCHOOLS AND THEIR PARENTS

> SHOULD STAND BEHIND THEM. WE ALL KNOW THIS PROBLEM IS NOT GOING TO

[Guest guest]

what surprised me was that there were less than 100 protestors. i

don't know the full story, but if half the student body + their

parents were to get involved, then just maybe the mold problem would

be remediated...or if the high schoolers were to transfer to another

school, that may get the schoolboard's attention.

> >

> > Westview High School

> >

> > WHS Mold Documentary - by a student

> > Please take the time to watch, in its entirety.

> > This is and has always been about THEM!

> > Thanks!

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, it's called apathy. Unless something affects those people

personally, they'd rather not bother helping the victims.

Barth

---

x> what surprised me was that there were less than 100 protestors. i

x> don't know the full story, but if half the student body + their

x> parents were to get involved, then just maybe the mold problem would

x> be remediated...or if the high schoolers were to transfer to another

x> school, that may get the schoolboard's attention.

x>

x>

>> >

>> > Westview High School

>> >

>> > WHS Mold Documentary - by a student

>> > Please take the time to watch, in its entirety.

>> > This is and has always been about THEM!

>> > Thanks!

>> >

>> >

>> >

>>

[Guest guest]

This is the most ludricous arguement I have read yet. I am personally opposed

to higher property taxes, but I am not in favor of the chronic illness that

mold/bacterial exposure causes when water intrudes into buildings. The

children, even if wearing masks as suggested by LS, stand a high risk of

becoming permanently injured. The injuries will last a life time and may cause

death and an early age. Besides, look at property taxes today. They are

sufficient to build safe schools. The politicians, school authorities,

architects and constractors are the ones who actually refuse to build safe

schools. For example, I am involved in a case near Corpus Christi, Texas where

improper sealing of pipes, window, and celing wall plates junctures occurred.

When the new 10 million dollar building was open, water came into the building

along with mold and bacteria. It took another 10 million to repair and some of

the occupants are still ill. Many of the affected children graduated but the

staff remained behind. Also, some of the new repairs were not done correctly.

There are many more schools throughout the country in the same condition. My

recommendation is to replace those who are responsible with individuals are are

concerned with the health and welfare of our children. We do not have to raise

or lower taxes in order to build safer schools.

Jack D. Thrasher, Ph.D.

Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist

www.drthrasher.org

[Guest guest]

The government wont help. I got sick in a governmentrt building and they did

everything they could to deny me workmens comp and they won.

Janet

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[Guest guest]

Well said Dr. Thrasher.

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[Guest guest]

tHIS IS HOW i SEE IT.

A NATURAL HAZARD IS- ANYTHING CAUSED BY NATURE THAT HARMS YOUR HEALTH.

READ THAT IN A INSURANCE PAMPLET.

WHAT IS TOXICMOLD? IT'S A NATURAL HAZARD

A NATURAL DISASTER SHOULD INCLUDE SCHOOLS RIDDLED WITH TOXICMOLDS.

TO ME MY OWN TOXICMOLD HOMES WERE ALSO A NATURAL DISASTER BECAUSE

EACH AND EVERYONE OF OUR LIVES SUPPOSED TO BE JUST AS IMPORTANT AS

THE OTHER.

WHERE ARE THE INSURANCE COMPANIES, WHERE IS FEMA, WHERE IS OUR

GOVERMENT? I DONT THINK OUR GOVERMENT SHOULD BE SITTING ON THEIR

ASSES WHILE A WAR IS GOING ON RIGHT HERE. THEY SHOULD BE HELPING US

AND GOING AFTER THE INSURANCE COMPANIES WHO DENIE PAYMENTS FOR

NATURAL HAZARDS THAT HARM OUR HEALTH.

>

> This is the most ludricous arguement I have read yet. I am

personally opposed to higher property taxes, but I am not in favor of

the chronic illness that mold/bacterial exposure causes when water

intrudes into buildings. The children, even if wearing masks as

suggested by LS, stand a high risk of becoming permanently injured.

The injuries will last a life time and may cause death and an early

age. Besides, look at property taxes today. They are sufficient to

build safe schools. The politicians, school authorities, architects

and constractors are the ones who actually refuse to build safe

schools. For example, I am involved in a case near Corpus Christi,

Texas where improper sealing of pipes, window, and celing wall plates

junctures occurred. When the new 10 million dollar building was

open, water came into the building along with mold and bacteria. It

took another 10 million to repair and some of the occupants are still

ill. Many of the affected children graduated but the staff remained

behind. Also, some of the new repairs were not done correctly.

There are many more schools throughout the country in the same

condition. My recommendation is to replace those who are responsible

with individuals are are concerned with the health and welfare of our

children. We do not have to raise or lower taxes in order to build

safer schools.

>

> Jack D. Thrasher, Ph.D.

> Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist

> www.drthrasher.org

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dr Thrasher,

Texas legislation for years required that schools be built by the

lowest bidder. Period. This created many substandard buildings

especially in terms of water damage along with the subsequent mold

and bacterial amplification.

Is that legislative limitation still in place or are schools now

being built to a more appropriate standard?

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

> This is the most ludricous arguement I have read yet. I am personally opposed

to higher property taxes, but I am not in favor of the chronic illness that

mold/bacterial exposure causes when water intrudes into buildings. The

children, even if wearing masks as suggested by LS, stand a high risk of

becoming permanently injured. The injuries will last a life time and may cause

death and an early age. Besides, look at property taxes today. They are

sufficient to build safe schools. The politicians, school authorities,

architects and constractors are the ones who actually refuse to build safe

schools. For example, I am involved in a case near Corpus Christi, Texas where

improper sealing of pipes, window, and celing wall plates junctures occurred.

When the new 10 million dollar building was open, water came into the building

along with mold and bacteria. It took another 10 million to repair and some of

the occupants are still ill. Many of the affected children graduated but the

staff remained behind. Als

>

> Jack D. Thrasher, Ph.D.

> Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist

> www.drthrasher.org

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dr. Thrasher, I agree with everything you said. I just have another

fear for this country which I

was mostly trying to express which is that our leaders are throwing

our future away by

ignoring the need to update educational priorities for the 21st

century. I used to work

in a very technical field, like yourself, and I am acutely aware of

how few students coming

out of college these days are really prepared for the kind of work

that they will need to

be able to do to get a job. I get the very strong feeling that the

long term economic picture

for this country is dismal unless we change the ways we fund

education, nationally. Property

taxes are not the right way because using property taxes ensures that

poor districts remain poor

and rich districts remain rich. That is the state of things these

days. Kids who don't

have math or science literacy are not going to be able to get decent jobs.

Some home schooled and charter schooled kids are very good but many

are not. I don't know what we can do,

I agree, sending kids back to schools that are poisoning them is not

the answer but what do you say

to parents who don't have the alternative of putting their child in a

private school. (most don't)

This is a really terrible situation. In many communities, that money

to fix things is NOT going to appear.

Lawsuits don't create more money in poor communities either. I am

trying to think, what is the long term solution and

the only solution I can think of is building new schools and that is

going to take Federal money.

On Dec 1, 2007 10:32 AM, Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. <toxicologist1@...> wrote:

> This is the most ludricous arguement I have read yet. I am personally

> opposed to higher property taxes, but I am not in favor of the chronic

> illness that mold/bacterial exposure causes when water intrudes into

> buildings. The children, even if wearing masks as suggested by LS, stand a

> high risk of becoming permanently injured. The injuries will last a life

> time and may cause death and an early age. Besides, look at property taxes

> today. They are sufficient to build safe schools. The politicians, school

> authorities, architects and constractors are the ones who actually refuse to

> build safe schools. For example, I am involved in a case near Corpus

> Christi, Texas where improper sealing of pipes, window, and celing wall

> plates junctures occurred. When the new 10 million dollar building was open,

> water came into the building along with mold and bacteria. It took another

> 10 million to repair and some of the occupants are still ill. Many of the

> affected children graduated but the staff remained behind. Also, some of the

> new repairs were not done correctly. There are many more schools throughout

> the country in the same condition. My recommendation is to replace those who

> are responsible with individuals are are concerned with the health and

> welfare of our children. We do not have to raise or lower taxes in order to

> build safer schools.

>

> Jack D. Thrasher, Ph.D.

> Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist

> www.drthrasher.org

>

>

[Guest guest]

The cost of remediations are much higher than they should be. If there

is one thing that could be changed to make this situation a little

more manageable its that.

We need an initative to build a national technical partnership without

a hidden agenda to come in and research ways to make these older

buildings safe without spending obscene amounts of money. I know we

would all like to replace them but that money isn't there, and it

won't materialize.

Using the economics of scale, we could thnk out ways to get from where

we are (many unsafe schools) to safe buildings and schools. OLDER

SCHOOLS OFTEN HAVE SOME ADVANTAGES TOO.. like not having as many

formaldehyde-laden woods in them, etc.

Its a multi-factorial problem.. There ARE ways to deal with the

situation as long as we don't make the same mistakes that we have in

the past which is letting any single INDUSTRY tell us how we can give

them our money and get very little in return.

I'm sorry, I am ranting again.. but do you all understand what I am getting at?

[Guest guest]

Another thing I have read is that many of these older buildings had

fairly sophisticated heating and (for their time) ventilation systems

that have been disabled or overridden with crappy modern HVAC systems

that generate mold because nobody knew how they worked.

And that buildings designed to hold say, 1000 people might be holding

2000 now without modification. Many schools have had their windows

locked shut for security reasons, etc. The list of issus is long.

Buildings that have had longterm mold issues need to be cleaned down

to the insides of their walls and every moldy piece of anything needs

to be replaced.

Dry ice blasting and complete replacement - That kind of stuff being

left and the money being spent on overpriced 'consultants' instead of

elbow grease to fix the situations - is simply not acceptable.

[Guest guest]

DITTO!!!!! I'm a former teacher and have been saying the same thing for

years!!!! I believe that the future leaders of America are in great danger!

Some thing needs to be done immediately if not sooner, but unfortunately it's

just not going to happen soon enough for most.

Sue

Dr. Thrasher, I agree with everything you said. I just have another

fear for this country which I

was mostly trying to express which is that our leaders are throwing

our future away by

ignoring the need to update educational priorities for the 21st

century. I used to work

in a very technical field, like yourself, and I am acutely aware of

how few students coming

out of college these days are really prepared for the kind of work

that they will need to

be able to do to get a job. I get the very strong feeling that the

long term economic picture

for this country is dismal unless we change the ways we fund

education, nationally. Property

taxes are not the right way because using property taxes ensures that

poor districts remain poor

and rich districts remain rich. That is the state of things these

days. Kids who don't

have math or science literacy are not going to be able to get decent jobs.

Some home schooled and charter schooled kids are very good but many

are not. I don't know what we can do,

I agree, sending kids back to schools that are poisoning them is not

the answer but what do you say

to parents who don't have the alternative of putting their child in a

private school. (most don't)

This is a really terrible situation. In many communities, that money

to fix things is NOT going to appear.

Lawsuits don't create more money in poor communities either. I am

trying to think, what is the long term solution and

the only solution I can think of is building new schools and that is

going to take Federal money

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[Guest guest]

Good for your son!!! I wish all the parents and children at my old school

could hear his story.

Good luck. I hope and pray he will remain healthy and well.

Westview high school was built and opened in August 1997. In june of

1998 during the summer when nobody was there, the HVAC failed and two

weeks went unnoticed because nobody was in the building. The water

and condensation grew mold. I have been told by teachers there was

slime everywhere, lockers, floors, walls, desks, books, vents etc.

They said you could skate on the slime. This is what I would call a

fairly new building. I did not know this happened until November

2005 as we moved in to this state in 2002. When my son started

getting sick, I started researching. Actually 98 percent of the

parents didn't seem to be aware of this happening. My son said he

wouldn't return to that building unless it was completely torn to the

ground and rebuilt. He knows that won't happen so he's staying in

the new school 25 miles from our home. He is having a good school

year. He knows he is not valued by Weakley County School

administration and neither are the other children. He chooses not to

return. Intelligent young man of 17 years old. --- In

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[Guest guest]

Westview high school was built and opened in August 1997. In june of

1998 during the summer when nobody was there, the HVAC failed and two

weeks went unnoticed because nobody was in the building. The water

and condensation grew mold. I have been told by teachers there was

slime everywhere, lockers, floors, walls, desks, books, vents etc.

They said you could skate on the slime. This is what I would call a

fairly new building. I did not know this happened until November

2005 as we moved in to this state in 2002. When my son started

getting sick, I started researching. Actually 98 percent of the

parents didn't seem to be aware of this happening. My son said he

wouldn't return to that building unless it was completely torn to the

ground and rebuilt. He knows that won't happen so he's staying in

the new school 25 miles from our home. He is having a good school

year. He knows he is not valued by Weakley County School

administration and neither are the other children. He chooses not to

return. Intelligent young man of 17 years old.

>

> Another thing I have read is that many of these older buildings had

> fairly sophisticated heating and (for their time) ventilation

systems

> that have been disabled or overridden with crappy modern HVAC

systems

> that generate mold because nobody knew how they worked.

>

> And that buildings designed to hold say, 1000 people might be

holding

> 2000 now without modification. Many schools have had their windows

> locked shut for security reasons, etc. The list of issus is long.

>

> Buildings that have had longterm mold issues need to be cleaned down

> to the insides of their walls and every moldy piece of anything

needs

> to be replaced.

>

> Dry ice blasting and complete replacement - That kind of stuff being

> left and the money being spent on overpriced 'consultants' instead

of

> elbow grease to fix the situations - is simply not acceptable.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, LiveSimply, I understand what you are saying. You have some excellent

ideas. Wouldn't it be great if we could take all of this expertise and create

our own company and implement changes that would help save lives!!

Unfortunately, the government and the insurance companies would not allow it.

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: The cost of remediations

are much higher than they should be. If there

is one thing that could be changed to make this situation a little

more manageable its that.

We need an initative to build a national technical partnership without

a hidden agenda to come in and research ways to make these older

buildings safe without spending obscene amounts of money. I know we

would all like to replace them but that money isn't there, and it

won't materialize.

Using the economics of scale, we could thnk out ways to get from where

we are (many unsafe schools) to safe buildings and schools. OLDER

SCHOOLS OFTEN HAVE SOME ADVANTAGES TOO.. like not having as many

formaldehyde-laden woods in them, etc.

Its a multi-factorial problem.. There ARE ways to deal with the

situation as long as we don't make the same mistakes that we have in

the past which is letting any single INDUSTRY tell us how we can give

them our money and get very little in return.

I'm sorry, I am ranting again.. but do you all understand what I am getting at?

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[Guest guest]

you're absolutely right.

and honestly, if i hadn't gotten sick from mold exposure, i would have

been like everyone else (who's never been exposed) and not realize how

how much havoc it can cause on one's body. :-(

>

> , it's called apathy. Unless something affects those people

> personally, they'd rather not bother helping the victims.

>

> Barth

> ---

>

> x> what surprised me was that there were less than 100 protestors. i

> x> don't know the full story, but if half the student body + their

> x> parents were to get involved, then just maybe the mold problem would

> x> be remediated...or if the high schoolers were to transfer to another

> x> school, that may get the schoolboard's attention.

>

> x>

>

[Guest guest]

My family and I have felt as if we've been on an island by ourselves

in this mold battle for two years. We aren't completely alone any

longer. There are seven families involved now but most of the people

are very apathetic. I cannot wrap my brain around this; the apathy

and " this won't happen to my child " so I'm not getting involved kind

of parent. Probably 98 percent of the parents were unaware of the

true condition of the school,but now they know because of media

coverage. There were not more students at the protest because the

administration and the athletic coaches threatened all athletes they

would benched and NOT be playing their sport if they participated in

the protest. What is really ironic about the coaches is that their

particular hall/olassrooms have some of the worst mold conditions in

the school. All students were threatened with out-of-school

suspension. There were still more than 80 brave, courageous students

who took the chance and participated. I thank them from the bottom

of my heart for their bravery and show of care and concern. They

were the smart ones. This school administration in this school

district is beyond comprehension. I've never seen anything like

them, although I know from information on this website, there are FAR

too many of their kind out there.

--- In , " xhannahx24 " <xhannahx24@...>

wrote:

>

> you're absolutely right.

>

> and honestly, if i hadn't gotten sick from mold exposure, i would

have

> been like everyone else (who's never been exposed) and not realize

how

> how much havoc it can cause on one's body. :-(

>

>

>

>

> --- In , Patilla DaHun <glypella@>

wrote:

> >

> > , it's called apathy. Unless something affects those people

> > personally, they'd rather not bother helping the victims.

> >

> > Barth

>

> > ---

> >

> > x> what surprised me was that there were less than 100

protestors. i

> > x> don't know the full story, but if half the student body + their

> > x> parents were to get involved, then just maybe the mold problem

would

> > x> be remediated...or if the high schoolers were to transfer to

another

> > x> school, that may get the schoolboard's attention.

> >

> > x>

> >

>