Liver Problems

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone: This is the first coincidence I have seen with someone with a

dull ache in the back. Four four years before I ever developed symtoms of

Hyperthyroidism I had a terrible dull ache in my back. I thought I had

injured myself in the gym. I tried different things, Chiropractor,

Physiotherapy. I used to rub it to try to loosen the muscles. The pain was

in the small of my back directly above my waist. Then I thought I must be

sitting too low in my car, so used a pillow. To make a long story short,

this continued for 4 years then seemed to get better by itself, then I

developed Hyperthyroidism 4 years later June 99. I'm wondering if the two

are connected?

Sheri

Re: Liver problems

>Hi(name unknown)

> I have over the last 4 years (since I developed a huge gaul stone)

>have had dull aching in my liver.

> I only had a blood test done last week for liver function, I have

>not received the results yet. My normal doctor ordered the test along

>with my other tests.

>Ali

>

>

>

>

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>ladrisczill-@... wrote:

>original article:hyperthyroidism/?start=42

>83

>> Hi and group:

>> How does a person go about finding out if he/she has a liver

>problem.. I

>> recently picked up a book on herbal remedies, with the main

>motivation of

>> finding some kind of help for my skin. It seems that my face is

>constantly

>> breaking out and I can't seem to find anything to help with this

>problem. I

>> was surprised to find that many herbalists will immediately tell you

>to take

>> different things to help with your liver function. Then when i

>copied out

>> the new supplement list iwas drawn to the segment that put in

>there

>> about the liver and ways to help improve liver function. I was also

>> surprised that something was said regarding poor liver function that

>could

>> eventually trigger graves disease. So are there tests available to

>find out

>> if there is a problem with the liver and if there are , what kind of

>doctor

>> do you go to for that?

>> I am also curious as to what kind of doctor to go to , to find out

>about

>> estrogen/testosterone levels, are such tests available? And what

>type of

>> doctor administers these types of tests? I also am considering

>having the

>> tests dones that show what levels of nutrients are lacking in my

>body, also

>> wondering what type of doctor administers these tests? If this is

>all

>> answered in the archives let me know, and i will just go there and do

>a

>> search, Thank you,

>> PS I just scheduled my first acupuncture consultation, and also found

>out

>> that my insurance covers it, will let you know if i find out anything

>new.

>

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In a message dated 3/1/2000 7:54:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,

temk@... writes:

<< I always keep a back ache. Just below the bra line. At the height of my

hyper period, the back ache disappeared. It has recently returned. Makes

me wonder. I am seeing a chiropractor not so much for the back ache but, to

get my body back on track. I want to improve my nervous system.

>>

I have arthritis in my feet.

At the height of my hyper my feet got much better.

But the arthritis went into my shoulders.

Now that hyper has disappeared my feet hurt again and my shoulders are okay.

Ann

[Guest guest]

I always keep a back ache. Just below the bra line. At the height of my

hyper period, the back ache disappeared. It has recently returned. Makes

me wonder. I am seeing a chiropractor not so much for the back ache but, to

get my body back on track. I want to improve my nervous system.

K.

Re: Liver problems

>

>

>>Hi(name unknown)

>> I have over the last 4 years (since I developed a huge gaul stone)

>>have had dull aching in my liver.

>> I only had a blood test done last week for liver function, I have

>>not received the results yet. My normal doctor ordered the test along

>>with my other tests.

>>Ali

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>ladrisczill-@... wrote:

>>original article:hyperthyroidism/?start=42

>>83

>>> Hi and group:

>>> How does a person go about finding out if he/she has a liver

>>problem.. I

>>> recently picked up a book on herbal remedies, with the main

>>motivation of

>>> finding some kind of help for my skin. It seems that my face is

>>constantly

>>> breaking out and I can't seem to find anything to help with this

>>problem. I

>>> was surprised to find that many herbalists will immediately tell you

>>to take

>>> different things to help with your liver function. Then when i

>>copied out

>>> the new supplement list iwas drawn to the segment that put in

>>there

>>> about the liver and ways to help improve liver function. I was also

>>> surprised that something was said regarding poor liver function that

>>could

>>> eventually trigger graves disease. So are there tests available to

>>find out

>>> if there is a problem with the liver and if there are , what kind of

>>doctor

>>> do you go to for that?

>>> I am also curious as to what kind of doctor to go to , to find out

>>about

>>> estrogen/testosterone levels, are such tests available? And what

>>type of

>>> doctor administers these types of tests? I also am considering

>>having the

>>> tests dones that show what levels of nutrients are lacking in my

>>body, also

>>> wondering what type of doctor administers these tests? If this is

>>all

>>> answered in the archives let me know, and i will just go there and do

>>a

>>> search, Thank you,

>>> PS I just scheduled my first acupuncture consultation, and also found

>>out

>>> that my insurance covers it, will let you know if i find out anything

>>new.

>>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Ann,

You and someone else wrote about aches and pains going away while hyperT.

When hyperT, the body pumps out excess cortisol (sp?), our natural cortisone,

which probably gets rid of inflammation. When I was hyperT, all my allergies

went away (and came back again when I got better).

AntJoan

[Guest guest]

Dear Kozy,

For years, whenever I saw any kind of holistic doctor they always said stuff

about my liver. I don't really know what the problems are, but it's

definitely a weak area. I've been taking milk thistle to strengthen and

detoxify my liver. I don't know if it worked, though, as I don't see those

doctors anymore.

AntJoan

[Guest guest]

Swan,

I don't know if it is caused by metal toxics?? That is what I'm trying to

find out. If it is or if its our emotions in our when we are going thru a

lot of life changes that causes our health problems. Then we should try to

find the root of the problem inside our spirits and find a way to take care

of it. I'm just getting tired of the same problems. It seems that my

homeopathic doctor keeps giving me different kinds of herbal medicine to

treat it but so far its still there. I'm trying to figure out if its just

medical... if it is another one of the symptoms of thyroid disease. I was

wondering if others have the same experiences. If it is caused by the

metal... then what kind of metal that could be invading our liver??

Kozy

[Guest guest]

My naturopath also has given me stuff for the liver. I take dandelion tincture,

usually once a day, or whenever I remember. Given the importants tasks the

liver has to perform, it wouldn't be surprising to know that it needs a little

help.

Me.

> For years, whenever I saw any kind of holistic doctor they always said stuff

> about my liver. I don't really know what the problems are, but it's

> definitely a weak area. I've been taking milk thistle to strengthen and

> detoxify my liver. I don't know if it worked, though, as I don't see those

> doctors anymore.

--

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- Chief ph

[Guest guest]

Hi Kozy,

I think the liver may be the focus because in Eastern medicine it is

the organ of emotion. I kept going to acupuncture and the Dr. kept

pointing out my liver too. There may be a Western medicine

reason too though. Isn't the liver ruined by high levels of metals?

Swan

[Guest guest]

AntJoan, Kozy,

I read an article about detox in Energy Times and it says:

The liver and bowel work togethers to take toxins out of the body. The

liver dumps thru the gallbladder and that goes into the bowels says Dr.

Spence. Liver herbs help the bowel transit time to be decreased and get

things through faster. Detoxification improves the liver's ability to

digest foods and cleansing the bowels will help the stomach. The body will

not clense the liver until you clense the bowels. If you are constipated it

is very difficult for the liver to clense itself says Dr. Spence. We use

herbal laxatives, like cascara. Fiber is excellent. Sickness and

constipation go together. If the bowels are functioning well, it helps the

liver. One of the key principles that I teach my patients to understand,

recognize and follow is that their body is always right, says Dr. Mercola.

Any diet recommendation or any lifestyle adjustment that makes them worse,

they have to think seriously about stopping it immediately because that's

the feedback that God gave us to improve our system.

>From: AntJoan@...

>Reply-hyperthyroidismegroups

>hyperthyroidismegroups

>Subject: Re: Liver Problems

>Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:39:37 EDT

>

>Dear Kozy,

>

>For years, whenever I saw any kind of holistic doctor they always said

>stuff

>about my liver. I don't really know what the problems are, but it's

>definitely a weak area. I've been taking milk thistle to strengthen and

>detoxify my liver. I don't know if it worked, though, as I don't see those

>doctors anymore.

>

>AntJoan

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Kozy,

I have ovary problems and I am also worried about my liver. Probably all of

the pills we have to take ..

I have never had a liver test. But I do get pain in my right side. Isn't

that where the liver is located?

--kathleen

In a message dated Mon, 12 Jun 2000 3:30:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

KTenn36117@... writes:

<< Hi ,

I just came from my Homeopathic Doctor. I found out why my back seems to be

out this time. It seems that everytime when I see him and he always gives me

things for my liver ...so it seems that a BIG everything points out to my

liver. He said that my liver is not digesting very well and also the ovary

problems not being working properly. Has everyone else in this group have a

lot of liver and ovary problems that is connected with the thyroid disease??

Is liver a big problem as in part of thyroid???I tried to look up something

about the liver in the ithyroid site but can't seem to find it unless if you

haven't brought it up. I would like to find out more about it and see what

aggravates the liver and the digestive systems so I can get it working and

eliminate the problem. I would appreciate your input on this. Thanks.

Kozy

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Hi Kozy,

The liver is involved in many functions. It is the site of much of the

conversion of T4 to T3. It is also a storage place for many nutrients

including minerals. When copper is low, iron can build up in the liver in a

condition called hemochromatosis. When iron or zinc are low, copper can

build up in the liver. These conditions can become very severe. For example

in 's disease there is a genetic error which interferes with copper

metabolism and copper builds up in the liver causing so much damage that the

person will eventually die if he or she can't get a liver transplant. Zinc

supplementation for 's patients protects their liver from copper

buildup.

It seems that most of the problems with the liver, at least in terms of

metal buildup, are caused by deficiencies of other minerals. Other liver

problems can be caused by toxic substances such as excessive alcohol

consumption which causes a vitamin B-1 deficiency, which in turn leads to

cirrhosis of the liver. However, if the liver gets adequate amounts of all

the essential minerals, it remains healthy and is able to deal with toxins

such as alcohol.

When your homeopathic doctor told you that your liver wasn't digesting

well, perhaps he meant that it wasn't functioning well (since the liver

doesn't digest foods). The liver is involved in so many processes so that

when you get sick you can be pretty sure that your liver isn't functioning

well. The same is true for the ovaries--when you're sick most organs are not

functioning properly.

The problem with this type of diagnosis is where does it lead? What are

you going to do if your liver has problems? Many people recommend " liver

flushes " but I'm not sure that these are helpful or harmful. I don't believe

it's necessary to go to these steps to recover your health and get your

thyroid functioning properly again.

[Guest guest]

Kathleen,

Yes, the liver is on the your right side. It is always constant. I have

had a blood test done for the liver but it was negative. It was done about a

couple of years ago. I should have it done again and see how my liver is

functioning.

Kozy

[Guest guest]

I'll tell you. I was just sitting at the kitchen table and thinking one

of those old thoughts and this time I did not hurt when I thought it.

I have been laying off the processed sugar for a couple of days.

YES I want a cookie and some ice cream with it. But I also want to

go to work and work out of my home and can't do all of it when i

am so tired.

Maybe it's just the day for thoughts working in and out without

hurting. I wonder if it co-incides with the fact that I am working and

building a library-I am all by myself ALL DAY ALL DAY ALL DAY-I

can't hear a phone or music....I just organize and organize and

work with my hands and I am so at peace. And then the day was

gorgeous when i left work 'like paradise.' I noticed I hadn't cried all

day. When i worked at the pediatric cardiology clinic I cried all day

because I know a gal at the age of 15 who passed away at that

hospital in cardiology. I have no doubt I feel better without being

around pissed off, stupid people. And the people I do see are

sweet and not even angry at their job. I even confronted a guy

about not doing the alignment he said his worker did-NOPE did

not. My daughter took the car to a different mechanic-NOPE did

not. And I just walked away from the call and in 10 minutes didn't

feel anger any more. Yeh, I need to work in a quiet, warm place.

Swan

[Guest guest]

Hi Swan

I believe it makes a huge difference to like where you work and what you

do. I was the most miserable ever for seven and a half years in a job

that I hated, working for someone I had no respect for. I quit and have

not regretted it in the least. Life started over again for me and for

my family. I finally started to answer the phone again (I had been on

call 24/7). Keep it up and life will be much more fulfilling. With

that, you will feel better too.

Swan wrote:

>

> I'll tell you. I was just sitting at the kitchen table and thinking one

> of those old thoughts and this time I did not hurt when I thought it.

> I have been laying off the processed sugar for a couple of days.

> YES I want a cookie and some ice cream with it. But I also want to

> go to work and work out of my home and can't do all of it when i

> am so tired.

>

> Maybe it's just the day for thoughts working in and out without

> hurting. I wonder if it co-incides with the fact that I am working and

> building a library-I am all by myself ALL DAY ALL DAY ALL DAY-I

> can't hear a phone or music....I just organize and organize and

> work with my hands and I am so at peace. And then the day was

> gorgeous when i left work 'like paradise.' I noticed I hadn't cried all

> day. When i worked at the pediatric cardiology clinic I cried all day

> because I know a gal at the age of 15 who passed away at that

> hospital in cardiology. I have no doubt I feel better without being

> around pissed off, stupid people. And the people I do see are

> sweet and not even angry at their job. I even confronted a guy

> about not doing the alignment he said his worker did-NOPE did

> not. My daughter took the car to a different mechanic-NOPE did

> not. And I just walked away from the call and in 10 minutes didn't

> feel anger any more. Yeh, I need to work in a quiet, warm place.

> Swan

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<The liver must be cleansed before you will lose any weight. In candida, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, and many <more, the liver and other internal organs are so full of toxins that toxins are thrown back out into the body and the <body must try to eliminate the toxins out through the skin and any other way it can. The blood is flooded with these <toxins and they are spread throughout the body, including the brain( thus brain fog). Detoxifying the body regularly <is a necessity for good health

How do you recommend detoxifying the liver?

Thanks,

Holly

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[Guest guest]

There are products at the health food store. I use

two teas: (Long Life Herbal Teas), Detox Tea,;

also Digest Tea. The Detox tea says on the box,

good for liver. There are many things at the

health food store. If you tell them what you

are looking for, they will show what they have.

These teas are on the net. Just put Long Life

Herbal Teas in a search engine.

Peace and Joy,Gloria

RE: liver problems

<The liver must be cleansed before you will lose any weight. In candida, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, and many <more, the liver and other internal organs are so full of toxins that toxins are thrown back out into the body and the <body must try to eliminate the toxins out through the skin and any other way it can. The blood is flooded with these <toxins and they are spread throughout the body, including the brain( thus brain fog). Detoxifying the body regularly <is a necessity for good health

How do you recommend detoxifying the liver?

Thanks,

Holly

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I agree!! Been carrying around extra 20 lbs. since

last trying to eliminate candida and parasites. Then

did a liver cleanse last week and immediately lost

some water weight and clothes are hanging looser.

WIll be doing the cleanse again this week, cause I had

to modify it. Good luck all,

Matty

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> <The liver must be cleansed before you will lose

> any weight. In candida, fibromyalgia, chronic

> fatigue, and many <more, the liver and other

> internal organs are so full of toxins that toxins

> are thrown back out into the body and the <body must

> try to eliminate the toxins out through the skin and

> any other way it can. The blood is flooded with

> these <toxins and they are spread throughout the

> body, including the brain( thus brain fog).

> Detoxifying the body regularly <is a necessity for

> good health

>

> How do you recommend detoxifying the liver?

>

> Thanks,

> Holly

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See Dr. Hulda 's " cure for all Diseases " or Dr.

Schultze's (sp?) recommendations. Put their names into

a web search engine. Good luck ,

Matty

--- Copal Hotmail <cabanascopal@...> wrote:

> <The liver must be cleansed before you will lose any

> weight. In candida, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue,

> and many <more, the liver and other internal organs

> are so full of toxins that toxins are thrown back

> out into the body and the <body must try to

> eliminate the toxins out through the skin and any

> other way it can. The blood is flooded with these

> <toxins and they are spread throughout the body,

> including the brain( thus brain fog). Detoxifying

> the body regularly <is a necessity for good health

>

> How do you recommend detoxifying the liver?

>

> Thanks,

> Holly

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> Cabañas Copal

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[Guest guest]

To Fransea, Donna and All,

First of all, great hearing from you, Fransea. I'm sorry that you are

having so many problems, though.

Add me to the list of Lymies with liver problems. I started having pains

in my right side that were worse than usual, and my LLMD noticed that my

liver was inflammed. My liver enzymes were up as well, so he sent me for

an abdominal sonogram. I was really scared that it was cancer...turns

out that my liver has fatty deposits in it that are " stretching " my

liver and causing the pain. Has anyone else had this?

Fransea, I'd appreciate the addy of the liver group you're talking

about. Also, has anyone heard from Marta lately? I haven't gotten mail

from her in a few weeks...if no one's heard from her, I'll attempt to

call her.

Take good care, everyone.

Joan LI NY

[Guest guest]

Hi Joan, I get sharp pains in my right side from time to time. When I went to physical theropy yesterday, the therapist told me that she sensed something was wrong with my liver, after touching my abdomen. I never told here about the pains either. She said " I dont want to scare you, but I think something is going on with your liver, not that tests would definately show something. She said that my liver is over worked, and possibly toxic." She told me that they can tell a lot about organs in our body by the way they move and feel. I never heard about this before, but now she has me scared, because I know that lymes can mess with your liver. Also, when I had my evaluation last week, I had no reflexes!! What exactly does that mean?? Do you know? I have heard of that being a symptom of lymes disease. Kim S.

Namkrats3@... wrote:

To Fransea, Donna and All, First of all, great hearing from you, Fransea. I'm sorry that you arehaving so many problems, though.Add me to the list of Lymies with liver problems. I started having painsin my right side that were worse than usual, and my LLMD noticed that myliver was inflammed. My liver enzymes were up as well, so he sent me foran abdominal sonogram. I was really scared that it was cancer...turnsout that my liver has fatty deposits in it that are "stretching" myliver and causing the pain. Has anyone else had this? Fransea, I'd appreciate the addy of the liver group you're talkingabout. Also, has anyone heard from Marta lately? I haven't gotten mailfrom her in a few weeks...if no one's heard from her, I'll attempt tocall her.Take good care, everyone.Joan LI NY Many thanks to our founder and friend, Marta McCoy, for making the support group it is today.Easy Reference:Send a blank email message to: -Subscribeegroups - Subscribe to the list through email -Unsubscribeegroups - Unsubscribe from the list -Digestegroups - Switch your subscription to a digest format -Normalegroups - Switch your subscription to normalPlease send messages not related to Lyme disease to -OfftopicegroupsArchives can be accessed at lyme-aidPlease visit the sister site athttp://clubs./clubs/lymeaidThis is the primary chat site for .HAVE A GREAT DAY,kimsak2000@...

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Hi Kim,

I'm not sure what you mean by " no " reflexes...but Lyme does affect the

central nervous system...so it can affect your reflexes.

As far as your liver goes, have your LLMD feel what you are talking

about. He will probably run liver enzyme panels...

Good luck, and see you in NY!

Joan LI NY

[Guest guest]

I have absent reflexes and I'm not sure what that means. I think it means that there is nerve damage. I wonder if it is permenant or reversable? Does anyone else have absent reflexes? During treatment I had deminished reflexes, but now they are gone. If the other theory was correct ( and we all know that it is not ), then I should have inproved!!!! I cant wait to meet everyone on Thursday! See you then, Kim S.in N.Y.

Namkrats3@... wrote:

Hi Kim,I'm not sure what you mean by "no" reflexes...but Lyme does affect thecentral nervous system...so it can affect your reflexes.As far as your liver goes, have your LLMD feel what you are talkingabout. He will probably run liver enzyme panels...Good luck, and see you in NY!Joan LI NYMany thanks to our founder and friend, Marta McCoy, for making the support group it is today.Easy Reference:Send a blank email message to: -Subscribeegroups - Subscribe to the list through email -Unsubscribeegroups - Unsubscribe from the list -Digestegroups - Switch your subscription to a digest format -Normalegroups - Switch your subscription to normalPlease send messages not related to Lyme disease to -OfftopicegroupsArchives can be accessed at lyme-aidPlease visit the sister site athttp://clubs./clubs/lymeaidThis is the primary chat site for .HAVE A GREAT DAY,kimsak2000@...

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In a message dated 11/2/2000 9:16:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, SeaFran731@... writes:

ouch!!!!!!! Liver still hurts at times....

My recommmendation to everyone on this list is to take

'LIVERITE",.....forget the milk thistle....I am allergic anyway...

the liverite really gets the crap out of you....literally....you will

notice bowel differences at first....and darker urine.....but

if you drink lots of water and rest it will clear it all out of you

and you will be better....it helps fatigue in lots of folks too....

my liver list all takes it.....you can get in some drug stores now...

they also have a web site.....not too expensive for the value

and benifit.....

Dear Fransea,

Just a quick question: If the LIVERITE that you mention works so well to help the liver, why is your liver still giving you so much pain & trouble?

Is it just that it cannot undo damage already done?

BTW, I have had very good results with Milk Thistle, 1,000-2,000 ml/day.

And, are you feeling better now?

Oh dear, I just reread the wording of my first question,and it sounds like another version of: "if we are overdiagnosed & overtreated,,then why are we still so sick?"

Anyway, I'm just curious & interested, hope I don't come across as hostile.

I'm in the same position as you are, very sick and in pain.

My heart goes out to you.

Hugs, a Aida/ Caldwell, NJ

[Guest guest]

I'd like to know more about liverite.

Rita B

[Guest guest]

I do have experience in treating fatty liver but not if we can only speak about

Dr 's therapies.

Liver problems

I have a friend that was diagnosed with Intrahepatic biliary radicals

or fatty infiltration of liver. Does anyone have an experience with

treating this problem.

Joe