Re: mary a thought (God talk)

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I wonder why I have no interest in

Writing or reading this forum

This place use to be the center of my life

Now I have no need anymore

I only read 's posts

Cause he is wise and clear

I might come back soon

I want to ask for your help

At combining my tarot card with 's philisofy

Stay tuned

-- Re: mary a thought (God talk)

>

Laurie (God),

Yes, yes. And since you are me, I'm saying this to myself. I will

accept this offer from myself.

Isn't there also a joke about a person wanting to win the lottery,

and begs and pleads with God, then finally God has to boom down from

Heaven; 'You've got to buy a ticket first!'

And the fire was God. And the judge. And the trees that burned. And

Hitler.

I liked your life turnaround analogy.

Thanks Laurie (God)

- (God)

> hi mary

>

> i have been following your story line here and i am glad your

experience has

> been so positive for you. now about your parents and their offer to

> help....i have heard katie say- god is everything and god is

good.... that

> would be including your parents (god) offering you (also god) a

hand when

> needed,,,,as you (god) would probably do for your children (god) as

well.

> being a parent as well- it makes me very happy to have shared what

i can

> offer- home, food, education, money.....now babysitting, etc

with my

> children- and now I am the one saying to me- should i let them help

ME as i

> age and they have more- interesting how life itself doesn the

turn around.

>

> lovingly laurie

>

>

>

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It reminds him that we are the only people who are effected from our stories

It reminds him that it is more powerful to come back to our business

That is the only place where we can do change, if we feel stress!

T

-- Re: mary a thought (God talk)

>

> >> Thank you for your story.

> >>

> >> And how does it serve *you*?

> >>

> >> Love,

> >>

,

And how does it serve *you* to keep asking posters in here how their

story serves them?

Love,

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Oh boy

I just read this post

Dali lama

Why do you want to know if loves me back?

Unlike me, seem to be a private person

Who thinks that this forum is made for people who wants to do the work.

And he loves me back

He might not be aware of that it

And I know that soon it would hit him

NOW, do you want to do the work?????

T

-- Re: Re: mary a thought (God talk)

>> Thank you for your story.

>>

>> And how does it serve *you*?

>>

>> Love,

>>

> Thank you !

> Do you mean to ask,

> how this story serves me?

That was my question, yes.

> or,

> how telling this story serves me?

that was not my question.

> BTW, ...

> I would also like to ask you this:

> Do you love Tami?

That's none of your buisness.

> And, by love, I mean romantic, 'lover-beloved'

> kind of love and not some " spiritual " love

> in which one is supposeed to love 'everyone'.

> I mean it as love for " special " someone.

There is only one kind of love. That love is unconditional.

The other one is pure ego. And I assume that's the one you are

talking about.

And it's still none of your buisness.

> Generally, I consider these kind of questions

> 'private' but, since Tami has expressed her

> love for you openly many times; [in my story,]

> it might be good if you once openly shared your

> side of story too.

I understand.

And it's still none of your buisness.

> Regards,

> ac.

Love,

PS: you did not answer my question to me. Did you answer it to yourself?

Or are you waiting for the answer to come from me?

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I am sorry dali

I don't read your posts therefore I was not aware that you where talking

about me.

I am no longer active in this forum

So... The behaviour you can expect from me is

To be missing

Can you handle it

Or do you need to do the work?

T

-- Re: Re: mary a thought (God talk)

>>>> Thank you for your story.

>>>>

>>>> And how does it serve *you*?

>>>>

>>>> Love,

>>>>

>>> Thank you !

>>> Do you mean to ask,

>>> how this story serves me?

>> That was my question, yes.

> It serves me in judging

> what kind of behaviour I

> can 'expect' from Tami in

> future and if 'required',

> how can I 'prepare' for it.

>

> IOW... it is just a 'tool'

> of 'prediction'. Useful but,

> certainly not perfect or error-free!

You are analyzing... but not your thoughts.

you " prepare " for... what? And what for?

Analyze your reactions and ask yourself who you'd be without your

thougths.

Love,

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Not active is 5 posts a week

-- Re: Re: mary a thought (God talk)

>

> >>>> Thank you for your story.

> >>>>

> >>>> And how does it serve *you*?

> >>>>

> >>>> Love,

> >>>>

> >>> Thank you !

> >>> Do you mean to ask,

> >>> how this story serves me?

> >> That was my question, yes.

> > It serves me in judging

> > what kind of behaviour I

> > can 'expect' from Tami in

> > future and if 'required',

> > how can I 'prepare' for it.

> >

> > IOW... it is just a 'tool'

> > of 'prediction'. Useful but,

> > certainly not perfect or error-free!

> You are analyzing... but not your thoughts.

>

> you " prepare " for... what? And what for?

>

> Analyze your reactions and ask yourself who you'd be without your

> thougths.

>

> Love,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

Laurie (God),

Yes, yes. And since you are me, I'm saying this to myself. I will

accept this offer from myself.

Isn't there also a joke about a person wanting to win the lottery,

and begs and pleads with God, then finally God has to boom down from

Heaven; 'You've got to buy a ticket first!'

And the fire was God. And the judge. And the trees that burned. And

Hitler.

I liked your life turnaround analogy.

Thanks Laurie (God)

- (God)

> hi mary

>

> i have been following your story line here and i am glad your

experience has

> been so positive for you. now about your parents and their offer to

> help....i have heard katie say- god is everything and god is

good.... that

> would be including your parents (god) offering you (also god) a

hand when

> needed,,,,as you (god) would probably do for your children (god) as

well.

> being a parent as well- it makes me very happy to have shared what

i can

> offer- home, food, education, money.....now babysitting, etc

with my

> children- and now I am the one saying to me- should i let them help

ME as i

> age and they have more- interesting how life itself doesn the

turn around.

>

> lovingly laurie

>

>

>

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> >>

> >> I wonder why I have no interest in

> >> Writing or reading this forum

> >> This place use to be the center of my life

> >> Now I have no need anymore

> >>

> >> I only read 's posts

> >> Cause he is wise and clear

> >

> > My 'unkind' story:

> >

> > you 'say' you only read 's

> > post because...

> >

> > you " think "

> > you need something from him and

> > you 'use' this forum in an effort

> > to get that 'need' met!

> >

> > It upsets you when you see

> > someone or something taking

> > that 'opportunity' away from

> > you either by 'excessive' posting

> > or by doing something that takes

> > attention away.

> >

> >

> > My another 'unkind' story:

> >

> > You are 'very likely' to read

> > this post in spite of 'claiming'

> > to read only ''s' posts!

> >

> > In 'normal' circumstances, you

> > might have even replied to this

> > mail but, now that I mention it,

> > you may not! However, now, you are

> > 'very likely' to hold a 'resentment'

> > against me because of me saying

> > these 'unkind' [but, probably

> > true] things about you. You

> > might even act on that 'resentment'

> > and do things to 'attack/criticize'

> > me because of that!

> >

> >

> > Moral of the story:

> > You seem to

> > be often 'sucking' up to ! It looks

> > like 'manipulation' to me.

> >

> > You many times complained

> > of Rose posting too much or

> > about posting something bad.

> > I thought you did it only because

> > you thought they were taking some

> > 'attention' away from you.

> >

> > You also claimed to be a moderator

> > of this forum which I thought confused

> > some members because it prompted some members

> > to go an check the group settings.

> >

> > Those are some of my stories about you Tami

> > and none of them are 'stressful' to me!

> >

> > I do think that hearing these stories

> > of you in my view might be 'unpleasant'

> > to you as 'crticism' is generally 'unpleasant'

> > to many people [including me]; however, I honestly

> > 'think' that I am doing 'good' by telling you and

> > others all this!

> >

> >

> > As someone [i believe ] said...

> >

> > there is no truer freind than one who gives

> > you his/her totally honest opinion!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >>

> >> I might come back soon

> >> I want to ask for your help

> >> At combining my tarot card with 's philisofy

> >>

> >> Stay tuned

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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>> Thank you for your story.

>>

>> And how does it serve *you*?

>>

>> Love,

>>

> Thank you !

> Do you mean to ask,

> how this story serves me?

That was my question, yes.

> or,

> how telling this story serves me?

that was not my question.

> BTW, ...

> I would also like to ask you this:

> Do you love Tami?

That's none of your buisness.

> And, by love, I mean romantic, 'lover-beloved'

> kind of love and not some " spiritual " love

> in which one is supposeed to love 'everyone'.

> I mean it as love for " special " someone.

There is only one kind of love. That love is unconditional.

The other one is pure ego. And I assume that's the one you are

talking about.

And it's still none of your buisness.

> Generally, I consider these kind of questions

> 'private' but, since Tami has expressed her

> love for you openly many times; [in my story,]

> it might be good if you once openly shared your

> side of story too.

I understand.

And it's still none of your buisness.

> Regards,

> ac.

Love,

PS: you did not answer my question to me. Did you answer it to yourself?

Or are you waiting for the answer to come from me?

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[...]

> > And, by love, I mean romantic, 'lover-beloved'

> > kind of love and not some " spiritual " love

> > in which one is supposeed to love 'everyone'.

> > I mean it as love for " special " someone.

> There is only one kind of love. That love is unconditional.

>

> The other one is pure ego. And I assume that's the one you are

> talking about.

>

> And it's still none of your buisness.

Ok.

Then, please allow me to ask you this:

I have seen Tami many times express

her " love " to you in many ways. Sometimes,

I felt that she was just fabricating some

'link' to the 'work' to appaer to be related

to the focus of this group but, in reality, her

focus only expressing her love for you.

Did you have this feeling too?

[bTW... I too many times expressed some

'philosphy' that was not directly related

to the focus of this group.]

I found it kind of puzzling that you

rarely responded to her repeated public

open 'expression' of this " love " to you

on this forum. In my 'story', one is

supposed to respond to this kind of

'personal' " love " in affirmative or

'negative' way. Not doing either

of the two might keep the other

person 'hanging'.

Do you think it is polite and civil

to answer someone's expression of love?

In my another 'story', you as the 'moderator'

of this forum, and the wise, kind, intelligent

and reasonable guy you appear to be are 'supposed'

to see the repaet public expression of " love "

to you that as a possible 'misuse' of this forum

and thus ask to stop it?

Does it match your 'story' of what a 'moderator'

is supposed to do?

Regards,

ac.

>

> > Generally, I consider these kind of questions

> > 'private' but, since Tami has expressed her

> > love for you openly many times; [in my story,]

> > it might be good if you once openly shared your

> > side of story too.

> I understand.

>

> And it's still none of your buisness.

>

> > Regards,

> > ac.

[...]

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>

> >> Thank you for your story.

> >>

> >> And how does it serve *you*?

> >>

> >> Love,

> >>

> > Thank you !

> > Do you mean to ask,

> > how this story serves me?

> That was my question, yes.

It serves me in judging

what kind of behaviour I

can 'expect' from Tami in

future and if 'required',

how can I 'prepare' for it.

IOW... it is just a 'tool'

of 'prediction'. Useful but,

certainly not perfect or error-free!

Regards,

ac.

----

Future is simply an extension of the past!

~ Anonymous

'Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it.'

~ Santayana

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>>>> Thank you for your story.

>>>>

>>>> And how does it serve *you*?

>>>>

>>>> Love,

>>>>

>>> Thank you !

>>> Do you mean to ask,

>>> how this story serves me?

>> That was my question, yes.

> It serves me in judging

> what kind of behaviour I

> can 'expect' from Tami in

> future and if 'required',

> how can I 'prepare' for it.

>

> IOW... it is just a 'tool'

> of 'prediction'. Useful but,

> certainly not perfect or error-free!

You are analyzing... but not your thoughts.

you " prepare " for... what? And what for?

Analyze your reactions and ask yourself who you'd be without your

thougths.

Love,

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why spend any time trying to figure out another person's future behavior? Why

would you care, it isn't going to be accurate, it won't allow you to determine

your reaction to that behavior?

Vivian

Re: mary a thought (God talk)

>

> >> Thank you for your story.

> >>

> >> And how does it serve *you*?

> >>

> >> Love,

> >>

> > Thank you !

> > Do you mean to ask,

> > how this story serves me?

> That was my question, yes.

It serves me in judging

what kind of behaviour I

can 'expect' from Tami in

future and if 'required',

how can I 'prepare' for it.

IOW... it is just a 'tool'

of 'prediction'. Useful but,

certainly not perfect or error-free!

Regards,

ac.

----

Future is simply an extension of the past!

~ Anonymous

'Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it.'

~ Santayana

[Guest guest]

His mind would be less cluttered and he'd be able to attend to himself and

his myriad problems rather than wasting time trying to predict what someone

else will say or think.

vivian

Re: Re: mary a thought (God talk)

>>>>> Thank you for your story.

>>>>>

>>>>> And how does it serve *you*?

>>>>>

>>>>> Love,

>>>>>

>>>> Thank you !

>>>> Do you mean to ask,

>>>> how this story serves me?

>>> That was my question, yes.

>> It serves me in judging

>> what kind of behaviour I

>> can 'expect' from Tami in

>> future and if 'required',

>> how can I 'prepare' for it.

>>

>> IOW... it is just a 'tool'

>> of 'prediction'. Useful but,

>> certainly not perfect or error-free!

> You are analyzing... but not your thoughts.

>

> you " prepare " for... what? And what for?

>

> Analyze your reactions and ask yourself who you'd be without your

> thougths.

>

> Love,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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this prompted an answer from me (which is rare...i don't usually like to

become involved in these little back-and-forths)...

because we are human beings, and that's what we do. it may not be pleasant

or productive all the time, but it seems 'natural' for it to happen. it just

happens. i do it all the time, because i'm afraid of certain outcomes, or

expect certain outcomes, or for many other reasons (and i'd be willing to bet,

so does every single person in this group, AND i'd be willing to bet...so

even does the infallible ! unless she's completely transcended

((suppressed?))her actual limited, human side). i know intellectually it's

literally my

imagination, but there is something to be said for 'probability', at least

in my reality. i don't like the way we are made subtly 'wrong' for our

natural reactions to things/circumstances due to our conditioning or whatever

else.

we ARE in relationship to each other, and 'spiritually-correct' or not,

except for the extremely rare few (assuming they are speaking the truth and not

just unrealistic, pie-in-the-sky platitudes), we DO, in fact, affect one

another. can i know it's true? it's true for me, i can know that. and what

if

it IS, in fact, true? what if the only escape from being affected by each

other is to be alone? seems a high price to pay.

jeremy

In a message dated 10/30/2006 8:16:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

vbarning@... writes:

why spend any time trying to figure out another person's future behavior?

Why would you care, it isn't going to be accurate, it won't allow you to

determine your reaction to that behavior?

Vivian

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From: adithya_comming

To: _Loving-what-Loving-what-<WBLov_ (mailto:Loving-what-is )

Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 3:46 PM

Subject: [Loving-what-Subject: [Loving-what-<WBR>is] Re

>

> >> Thank you for your story.

> >>

> >> And how does it serve *you*?

> >>

> >> Love,

> >>

> > Thank you !

> > Do you mean to ask,

> > how this story serves me?

> That was my question, yes.

It serves me in judging

what kind of behaviour I

can 'expect' from Tami in

future and if 'required',

how can I 'prepare' for it.

IOW... it is just a 'tool'

of 'prediction'of 'prediction'<W

certainly not perfect or error-free!

Regards,

ac.

----

Future is simply an extension of the past!

~ Anonymous

'Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it.'

~ Santayana

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by the way...ignore that rant. it's just obnoxious.

carry on, good people.

In a message dated 10/31/2006 1:39:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

jmknapp74@... writes:

this prompted an answer from me (which is rare...i don't usually like to

become involved in these little back-and-forths)bec

because we are human beings, and that's what we do. it may not be pleasant

or productive all the time, but it seems 'natural' for it to happen. it just

happens. i do it all the time, because i'm afraid of certain outcomes, or

expect certain outcomes, or for many other reasons (and i'd be willing to

bet,

so does every single person in this group, AND i'd be willing to bet...so

even does the infallible ! unless she's completely transcended

((suppressed?((suppressed?<WBR>))her actual limited, human side). i know

intellectually

imagination, but there is something to be said for 'probability'imagination

in my reality. i don't like the way we are made subtly 'wrong' for our

natural reactions to things/circumstancenatural reactions to

things/circumstance

we ARE in relationship to each other, and 'spiritually-we ARE in relatio

except for the extremely rare few (assuming they are speaking the truth and

not

just unrealistic, pie-in-the-sky platitudes), we DO, in fact, affect one

another. can i know it's true? it's true for me, i can know that. and what

if

it IS, in fact, true? what if the only escape from being affected by each

other is to be alone? seems a high price to pay.

jeremy

In a message dated 10/30/2006 8:16:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

_vbarning@..._ (mailto:vbarning@...) writes:

why spend any time trying to figure out another person's future behavior?

Why would you care, it isn't going to be accurate, it won't allow you to

determine your reaction to that behavior?

Vivian

----- Original Message -----

From: adithya_comming

To: _Loving-what-To: _Lov<WBLov_ (mailto:_Loving-what-Loving-what-<WBLov_

(mailto:Loving-what-is ) )

Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 3:46 PM

Subject: [Loving-what-Subject: [Loving-w<WBR>is] Re

>

> >> Thank you for your story.

> >>

> >> And how does it serve *you*?

> >>

> >> Love,

> >>

> > Thank you !

> > Do you mean to ask,

> > how this story serves me?

> That was my question, yes.

It serves me in judging

what kind of behaviour I

can 'expect' from Tami in

future and if 'required',

how can I 'prepare' for it.

IOW... it is just a 'tool'

of 'prediction'of 'prediction'<WBR<W

certainly not perfect or error-free!

Regards,

ac.

----

Future is simply an extension of the past!

~ Anonymous

'Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it.'

~ Santayana

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>

> why spend any time trying to figure out another person's future

behavior?

Why do you think many organizations,

people, company and agencies

ask for 'Past Record' and

'references'???

IME...

This is a good way to hire 'care taker'

of my parents, my house, my children

too!

This is the way to hire 'security guard'

for my house too!

This is a good way to hire a 'doctor',

a 'teacher', a 'contractor' too!

IOW... it is good way to 'determine'

fitness of most 'future' 'relationships " !

> Why would you care, it isn't going to be accurate, it won't allow

you to determine your reaction to that behavior?

Is that a question?

>

> Vivian

Love,

ac

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>

> His mind would be less cluttered and he'd be able to attend to

himself and his myriad problems rather than wasting time trying to

predict what someone else will say or think.

You sure seem to be quite " good "

and quite " sure " in analysing

and 'predicting' my 'future' !

Isn't that 'iteresting' ?

BTW...

How many problems have you ever had that

didn't involve " other " in some way???

Most of my " problems " occur in " relationship "

to " others " only.

>

> vivian

Love,

ac.

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10 out of 10!

;-)

" His " mind?

Where does *my* mind travel?

....

Why would I want to predict the future?

....

If I don't " attend to myself " , it's obviously because I don't *want*

to attend myself. I am not there, yet.

And yet, sometimes I do wonder what another may want or think...

Why?

....

Yes, it distracts me from what I want, now.

So far, I notice.

Love,

Am 31.10.2006 um 02:07 schrieb Vivian Barning:

> His mind would be less cluttered and he'd be able to attend to

> himself and

> his myriad problems rather than wasting time trying to predict what

> someone

> else will say or think.

>

> vivian

> Re: Re: mary a thought (God talk)

>

>

>>>>>> Thank you for your story.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> And how does it serve *you*?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Love,

>>>>>>

>>>>> Thank you !

>>>>> Do you mean to ask,

>>>>> how this story serves me?

>>>> That was my question, yes.

>>> It serves me in judging

>>> what kind of behaviour I

>>> can 'expect' from Tami in

>>> future and if 'required',

>>> how can I 'prepare' for it.

>>>

>>> IOW... it is just a 'tool'

>>> of 'prediction'. Useful but,

>>> certainly not perfect or error-free!

>> You are analyzing... but not your thoughts.

>>

>> you " prepare " for... what? And what for?

>>

>> Analyze your reactions and ask yourself who you'd be without your

>> thougths.

>>

>> Love,

>>

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Ah!

You still think the dream is real...

>> why spend any time trying to figure out another person's future

>> behavior?

> Why do you think many organizations,

> people, company and agencies

> ask for 'Past Record' and

> 'references'???

because they do.

> IME...

>

> This is a good way to hire 'care taker'

> of my parents, my house, my children

> too!

>

> This is the way to hire 'security guard'

> for my house too!

>

> This is a good way to hire a 'doctor',

> a 'teacher', a 'contractor' too!

>

> IOW... it is good way to 'determine'

> fitness of most 'future' 'relationships " !

....and you still think they are yours.

Good for you.

Talk about " triggers " ! :-)

>> Why would you care, it isn't going to be accurate, it won't allow

>> you to determine your reaction to that behavior?

> Is that a question?

I see it as one.

My answer is: I don't know.

>> Vivian

> Love,

> ac

Love,

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Dear Adithya,

>>> And, by love, I mean romantic, 'lover-beloved'

>>> kind of love and not some " spiritual " love

>>> in which one is supposeed to love 'everyone'.

>>> I mean it as love for " special " someone.

>> There is only one kind of love. That love is unconditional.

>>

>> The other one is pure ego. And I assume that's the one you are

>> talking about.

>>

>> And it's still none of your buisness.

> Ok.

>

> Then, please allow me to ask you this:

>

> I have seen Tami many times express

> her " love " to you in many ways.

Yes, me too.

> Sometimes,

> I felt that she was just fabricating some

> 'link' to the 'work' to appaer to be related

> to the focus of this group but, in reality, her

> focus only expressing her love for you.

>

> Did you have this feeling too?

No, that was you.

> [bTW... I too many times expressed some

> 'philosphy' that was not directly related

> to the focus of this group.]

I noticed.

> I found it kind of puzzling that you

> rarely responded to her repeated public

> open 'expression' of this " love " to you

> on this forum.

Good! You found a " story " !

And did you investigate your reaction?

> In my 'story', one is

> supposed to respond to this kind of

> 'personal' " love " in affirmative or

> 'negative' way.

I understand.

> Not doing either

> of the two might keep the other

> person 'hanging'.

That's a different story.

> Do you think it is polite and civil

> to answer someone's expression of love?

I don't care neither about civileness nor politeness.

And sometimes, I seem to care.

> In my another 'story', you as the 'moderator'

> of this forum, and the wise, kind, intelligent

> and reasonable guy you appear to be

Thank you.

Turn it around (leave away the 'moderator' part, if you don't think

it fits. Take it, if you see how it does)

> are 'supposed'

> to see the repaet public expression of " love "

> to you that as a possible 'misuse' of this forum

> and thus ask to stop it?

I do ask, when I do see it that way.

> Does it match your 'story' of what a 'moderator'

> is supposed to do?

Again, you are asking the world to change for your comfort.

Get up from your " chair " , and do the change yourself. Whithin.

And sometimes it's very tempting to ask someone to moderate his own

posts.

btw. what do *you* do, when you think *your* post is a possilbe

'misuse' of this forum?

Do you moderate it?

How do you feel when you do/don't?

Love,

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the way I see it:

" The others " affect me *only* in such a way as I have my stories

about them. To see that, I ask the four questions on my judgements

about them.

" Who would I be without the story that he/she should/is/should

not...? " . And I always get to the same place. So far... ;-)

The answers I want to hear from you are inside of me. I don't need

you for that.

And " no two people have ever met " is to be taken literally.

" my reality " is a virtual construct.

And who cares for other people's transcendence? It's only virtual in

" my world " , anyway.

No one here is to be " made wrong " . And no one here is in relationship

with anyone.

What affects you is not the other one. But it's of no use to hear it.

And it's so much nicer to experience it. Which is possible by doing

the work. So far, everything I worked on has taught me, that it was

not the " thing " that affected me, at all. Because the same thing did

not affect me anymore, sometimes only in a different way.

Finally, we were, are, and will allways be (for those who still

believe in time) alone. Which is only a " high price to pay " if I

don't think of myself as a good company to be with. In the illusion I

use others to keep me from working on myself, and from remembering

that I am, indeed, alone. The illusion is a mere distraction, it

doesn't " change " anything.

And sometimes it's the preferred place to be.

Love,

Am 31.10.2006 um 07:30 schrieb jmknapp74@...:

> this prompted an answer from me (which is rare...i don't usually

> like to

> become involved in these little back-and-forths)...

>

> because we are human beings, and that's what we do. it may not be

> pleasant

> or productive all the time, but it seems 'natural' for it to

> happen. it just

> happens. i do it all the time, because i'm afraid of certain

> outcomes, or

> expect certain outcomes, or for many other reasons (and i'd be

> willing to bet,

> so does every single person in this group, AND i'd be willing to

> bet...so

> even does the infallible ! unless she's completely transcended

> ((suppressed?))her actual limited, human side). i know

> intellectually it's literally my

> imagination, but there is something to be said for 'probability',

> at least

> in my reality. i don't like the way we are made subtly 'wrong'

> for our

> natural reactions to things/circumstances due to our conditioning

> or whatever else.

> we ARE in relationship to each other, and 'spiritually-correct'

> or not,

> except for the extremely rare few (assuming they are speaking the

> truth and not

> just unrealistic, pie-in-the-sky platitudes), we DO, in fact,

> affect one

> another. can i know it's true? it's true for me, i can know

> that. and what if

> it IS, in fact, true? what if the only escape from being affected

> by each

> other is to be alone? seems a high price to pay.

>

> jeremy

>

>> In a message dated 10/30/2006 8:16:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

>> vbarning@... writes:

>>

>> why spend any time trying to figure out another person's future

>> behavior?

>> Why would you care, it isn't going to be accurate, it won't allow

>> you to

>> determine your reaction to that behavior?

>>

>> Vivian

>>> ...

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> >> Thank you for your story.

> >>

> >> And how does it serve *you*?

> >>

> >> Love,

> >>

,

And how does it serve *you* to keep asking posters in here how their

story serves them?

Love,

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> >

> > >> Thank you for your story.

> > >>

> > >> And how does it serve *you*?

> > >>

> > >> Love,

> > >>

>

> ,

>

> And how does it serve *you* to keep asking posters in here how

their

> story serves them?

>

> Love,

>

**,

How does one get a link to the newspaper article you refered to

earlier? I didnt see a link....

And ~

How does it serve you, as a practitioner of the Work, to tell

someone that a question is 'none of your business'? It sounds like

defense to me. And yes, I will look into this for myself, and it is

still a valid question if one is interested in looking at it. I am

always interested at the story I am running when I choose not to

simply answer a question rather throwing out a phrase like its none

of your business...this seperates for me. and you?

catherine

>

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>

> Ah!

>

> You still think the dream is real...

What " dream " you are talking about, ?

>

> >> why spend any time trying to figure out another person's future

> >> behavior?

> > Why do you think many organizations,

> > people, company and agencies

> > ask for 'Past Record' and

> > 'references'???

> because they do.

Then, maybe, same applies to me too.

I do it because I do [sometimes].

>

> > IME...

> >

> > This is a good way to hire 'care taker'

> > of my parents, my house, my children

> > too!

> >

> > This is the way to hire 'security guard'

> > for my house too!

> >

> > This is a good way to hire a 'doctor',

> > a 'teacher', a 'contractor' too!

> >

> > IOW... it is good way to 'determine'

> > fitness of most 'future' 'relationships " !

> ...and you still think they are yours.

I am not sure I understand what you

mean here.

>

> Good for you.

Thanks.

>

> Talk about " triggers " ! :-)

I am not sure I understand what you

mean here.

>

> >> Why would you care, it isn't going to be accurate, it won't

allow

> >> you to determine your reaction to that behavior?

> > Is that a question?

> I see it as one.

>

> My answer is: I don't know.

Ok.

Love,

ac.

>

> >> Vivian

> > Love,

> > ac

> Love,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> Dear Adithya,

Thank you !

>

> >>> And, by love, I mean romantic, 'lover-beloved'

> >>> kind of love and not some " spiritual " love

> >>> in which one is supposeed to love 'everyone'.

> >>> I mean it as love for " special " someone.

> >> There is only one kind of love. That love is unconditional.

> >>

> >> The other one is pure ego. And I assume that's the one you are

> >> talking about.

> >>

> >> And it's still none of your buisness.

> > Ok.

> >

> > Then, please allow me to ask you this:

> >

> > I have seen Tami many times express

> > her " love " to you in many ways.

> Yes, me too.

Thanks.

>

> > Sometimes,

> > I felt that she was just fabricating some

> > 'link' to the 'work' to appaer to be related

> > to the focus of this group but, in reality, her

> > focus only expressing her love for you.

> >

> > Did you have this feeling too?

> No, that was you.

Ok. I see that our 'story' on this

subject is quite different.

>

> > [bTW... I too many times expressed some

> > 'philosphy' that was not directly related

> > to the focus of this group.]

> I noticed.

However, here, our story is somewhat 'similar'.

>

> > I found it kind of puzzling that you

> > rarely responded to her repeated public

> > open 'expression' of this " love " to you

> > on this forum.

> Good! You found a " story " !

> And did you investigate your reaction?

I didn't find that " reaction " troubling me

or causing me any stress.

>

> > In my 'story', one is

> > supposed to respond to this kind of

> > 'personal' " love " in affirmative or

> > 'negative' way.

> I understand.

>

> > Not doing either

> > of the two might keep the other

> > person 'hanging'.

> That's a different story.

>

> > Do you think it is polite and civil

> > to answer someone's expression of love?

> I don't care neither about civileness nor politeness.

>

> And sometimes, I seem to care.

>

> > In my another 'story', you as the 'moderator'

> > of this forum, and the wise, kind, intelligent

> > and reasonable guy you appear to be

> Thank you.

>

> Turn it around (leave away the 'moderator' part, if you don't

think

> it fits. Take it, if you see how it does)

>

> > are 'supposed'

> > to see the repaet public expression of " love "

> > to you that as a possible 'misuse' of this forum

> > and thus ask to stop it?

> I do ask, when I do see it that way.

Ok.

>

> > Does it match your 'story' of what a 'moderator'

> > is supposed to do?

> Again, you are asking the world to change for your comfort.

No. I don't think that is not what

I am doing.

>

> Get up from your " chair " ,

and do the change yourself. Whithin.

It is like me asking my daughter to

clean up her room and to do her homework.

In my " good parent " " story " this is what

I " should " be doing. It is 'fine' and

'expected' of me as " good parent " to

do so.

>

> And sometimes it's very tempting to ask

someone to moderate his own posts.

Sure and I think it is fine to do so.

>

> btw. what do *you* do, when you think

*your* post is a possilbe

'misuse' of this forum?

I don't post them when I am sure

it is a 'misuse' of the forum. But,

I realize that sometimes my 'judgement'

might not match yours or other members.

When that happens and you or all other

members let me know; I try to use that

'input' and 'feedback' to guide me.

>

> Do you moderate it?

Yes. I try to.

>

> How do you feel when you do/don't?

I know it might sound strange.

But, I don't 'not moderate' what

I post here. I might make mistakes

though...

>

> Love,

>

Love,

ac.