Guest guest Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 not sure what your looking for. but thinking I did read on something KC posted from Showmalers new site that it doesn't apply in all cases. I'm sire someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I think it would apply more in lower exposures,durong and afterwards with detoxing. but not so much with hugh exposures where you have toxic overload because your body functions just cant keep up. > > Does anybody have an idea if the HLA test for genotype's has been published? The test they use to find out if you are predisposition for this illness? > > Thank you > a > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 who <jeaninem660@...> wrote: not sure what your looking for. but thinking I did read on something KC posted from Showmalers new site that it doesn't apply in all cases. I'm sire someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I think it would apply more in lower exposures,durong and afterwards with detoxing. but not so much with hugh exposures where you have toxic overload because your body functions just cant keep up. > > Does anybody have an idea if the HLA test for genotype's has been published? The test they use to find out if you are predisposition for this illness? > > Thank you > a > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 a, what? not sure what your looking for. but thinking I did read on something KC > posted from Showmalers new site that it doesn't apply in all cases. > I'm sire someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I think it would > apply more in lower exposures,durong and afterwards with detoxing. but > not so much with hugh exposures where you have toxic overload because > your body functions just cant keep up. --- In > , a Townsend <kmtown2003@> wrote: > > > > Does anybody have an idea if the HLA test for genotype's has been > published? The test they use to find out if you are predisposition for > this illness? > > > > Thank you > > a > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > Search. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Bless your heart Jeanine, Its just not Shoemaker who know about the geno typing. I first heard about this thru Dr Hooper, Its a fact that 24% of the population are predisposition to get very sick when exposed to molds and of that group the top 4% can get even sicker. Because of a certain extra genes that we got from our parents. Lucky me, both my parents had the 2 differ rent genes and passed both of them to me. Which I than automatically gave each one of my kids at least one set. I am pretty sure this is right. Anybody?? who <jeaninem660@...> wrote: a, what? > > > > Does anybody have an idea if the HLA test for genotype's has been > published? The test they use to find out if you are predisposition for > this illness? > > > > Thank you > > a > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > Search. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 of corse they all know about it, theres all kunds of info. out there refardong hla and gvhd,transplants, skin grafts, wound healing. and hla involved with fighting off bacteria and fungi. however there is more involved in a DMB than just fungi and bacteria. there are toxins. people can get toxic envephalopathy and mcs with exposure to toxins. if you do enough research on fungal vasculitis and toxic vasculitis, fungal meningitis and toxic meningitis you well see that they have many of the same effects on the body. I'm not sayong I dont have these dreaded genotypes because I may have. what I'm saying is that for example a famoly living in a moldy home and some geyying very ill while others may not could be noy only because of their genotypes but also dependant on how much time they are there and hust how close to the mold growth they are during the time they are there. someine with it growing in their bedroom wall may get sicker than someone eho sleeps or a different floor at the other end of the house where there is no mold in the walls. than depending on the type of mold and if it's putting out myco's and in what amounts and what ever else may be growing there. than although the medical community doesn't reconize or want to reconize that what they term as fungal may as envolve mycotoxins just ad's to the mix. and what a mix it is. now we can talk about genes passed from mom and dad and their mom and dad and somewhere down the line someone had a exposure to something that caused gene mutations and passed them on. and I dont dought at all that we got a few mutations ourselfs from our exposure. we need scirnce to study the science. theres a lot to be said about anatomy and just how much the body can deal with and the effects of exposures to many things, long term low dose studies lack a lot to be desired. and so on. the science is not all there and it's so far behind it well never catch up to this fastly changeing toxic world.--- In , a Townsend <kmtown2003@...> wrote: > > Bless your heart Jeanine, > Its just not Shoemaker who know about the geno typing. I first heard about this thru Dr Hooper, Its a fact that 24% of the population are predisposition to get very sick when exposed to molds and of that group the top 4% can get even sicker. Because of a certain extra genes that we got from our parents. Lucky me, both my parents had the 2 differ rent genes and passed both of them to me. Which I than automatically gave each one of my kids at least one set. I am pretty sure this is right. Anybody?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 My recollection from reading Mold Warriors is that it isn't a pre-disposition to get sick, exactly, it's that some of *us* (I haven't been tested, but believe I'm in this group) don't make vital antibodies that address and remove biotoxins. What happens when we're exposed is that these toxins get in us and keep running around wreaking havoc, whereas for others they would be eliminated from the body before they make trouble... hence some of us get sick while others can have limited or no ill effects under certain circumstances... I still think I'd tell folks with the right genetics to stay away from mycotoxins as a general precaution... All that said, I have no idea what HLA is, so this may be a correct recollection interjected in the wrong discussion...lol. If that's the case, please excuse the call. ;-) ~Haley a Townsend <kmtown2003@...> wrote: Bless your heart Jeanine, Its just not Shoemaker who know about the geno typing. I first heard about this thru Dr Hooper, Its a fact that 24% of the population are predisposition to get very sick when exposed to molds and of that group the top 4% can get even sicker. Because of a certain extra genes that we got from our parents. Lucky me, both my parents had the 2 differ rent genes and passed both of them to me. Which I than automatically gave each one of my kids at least one set. I am pretty sure this is right. Anybody?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 a, let me try to explain a few reasons why I fell hla might not always be a factor. the innate immune system is the first line of defence to forien invaders and there are theiries out there that neutrophils may be able to detect antigens and call on t cells. I have also read where mycotoxins were termed as superantigens. superantigens to me seems like another word for toxins.if you have toxic vasculitis what evers in your blood will leak out of the vessals right along with the toxins so really a exposure to fungi and toxins and haveing them both in tour blood stream and haveing vasculitis could leave both fungal fragments and toxins stuck in tissues and fluids whereever these leaks accureneutrophils are the only dead white blood cells that pass in the urine and this is one symptom of vasculitis and from the beganing of my exposure I had dead white blood cells in my urine. if optopsis doesn't accure that may be why t cells are usually found at abcess sites. I also had kidney pain and tiny red dots on my eyelids and legs. I believe the bump that is in my right eyelid may be a nodule, anyway, it may be that if neutriohils are getting killed off maybe this keeps the aquired immune system from being activated and hla. over and over neutrophils have been tied in with toxin exposure, so maybe hla comes in to play with mold but not toxins. or maybe it depends on what has fotten into your system first molds or toxins. I fell pretty strongly that in my first home the first exposure I had was to stachy myco's and my systems fit in with that. the second reason is because theres evidence that mycotoxins dupress the immune system, wether it supresses it or the aquired immune system just doesn't reconize toxins, I dont know. than theres the molecular memicry thing. we lmow that people with diseases and compermised immune sydtems or autoimmunity can get sick from molds in a hospital. does that mean they have the freafed grnotypes or is it just because there immune system is disfunctional? they supress the immune system to do transplantations, could this be why some end up with GVHD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Haley, thats the way I understood it too, as a factor more after exposure and riding toxins from the body. > > My recollection from reading Mold Warriors is that it isn't a pre- disposition to get sick, exactly, it's that some of *us* (I haven't been tested, but believe I'm in this group) don't make vital antibodies that address and remove biotoxins. What happens when we're exposed is that these toxins get in us and keep running around wreaking havoc, whereas for others they would be eliminated from the body before they make trouble... hence some of us get sick while others can have limited or no ill effects under certain circumstances... > > I still think I'd tell folks with the right genetics to stay away from mycotoxins as a general precaution... > > All that said, I have no idea what HLA is, so this may be a correct recollection interjected in the wrong discussion...lol. If that's the case, please excuse the call. ;-) > > ~Haley > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 sorry about spelling, I asked santa for a new head but I guess I was bad cause he didn'r bring me one. lol's > > a, let me try to explain a few reasons why I fell hla might > not always be a factor. the innate immune system is the first line of > defence to forien invaders and there are theiries out there that > neutrophils may be able to detect antigens and call on t cells. I > have also read where mycotoxins were termed as superantigens. > superantigens to me seems like another word for toxins.if you have > toxic vasculitis what evers in your blood will leak out of the > vessals right along with the toxins so really a exposure to fungi and > toxins and haveing them both in tour blood stream and haveing > vasculitis could leave both fungal fragments and toxins stuck in > tissues and fluids whereever these leaks accureneutrophils are the > only dead white blood cells that pass in the urine and this is one > symptom of vasculitis and from the beganing of my exposure I had dead > white blood cells in my urine. if optopsis doesn't accure that may be > why t cells are usually found at abcess sites. I also had kidney pain > and tiny red dots on my eyelids and legs. I believe the bump that is > in my right eyelid may be a nodule, anyway, it may be that if > neutriohils are getting killed off maybe this keeps the aquired > immune system from being activated and hla. over and over neutrophils > have been tied in with toxin exposure, so maybe hla comes in to play > with mold but not toxins. or maybe it depends on what has fotten into > your system first molds or toxins. I fell pretty strongly that in my > first home the first exposure I had was to stachy myco's and my > systems fit in with that. > the second reason is because theres evidence that mycotoxins dupress > the immune system, wether it supresses it or the aquired immune > system just doesn't reconize toxins, I dont know. than theres the > molecular memicry thing. > we lmow that people with diseases and compermised immune sydtems or > autoimmunity can get sick from molds in a hospital. does that mean > they have the freafed grnotypes or is it just because there immune > system is disfunctional? > they supress the immune system to do transplantations, could this be > why some end up with GVHD? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 whay I alsi noticed is that when I did the urine test for Dr. Croft there were gobs of dead WBC's in my urine, about 2 years after I gor out of my moldy homes, however I was dealing with cross contamination because no one had explained that to me and I had MCS and it's bad and I can fell the blood rushing through my viens (re-accureing vasculitis) when I get a MCS attack. I was not practiceing advoidance at the time of the urine test as I did understand all of that then, and was just a zombie with a pretty messed up head. I peed in a clear jar just the other day to check and I cant see to great so I cant say there were no dead WBC's in there but I couldn't see any. bug difference as when I did the urine test there was about a half inch or more in the bottom of the court jar. what I dont know is weither I have aplastic anemia where I may not have any neutrophils or really low amounts or how long it might take for these to show up in the urine after a MCS attack and I probably count see them anyway. but it may be worth haveing this checked out everytime you have a urine sample done by a doctor. a;so, doctors that dont have their head up you know where might reconize this as a sign of kidney disease. > > a, let me try to explain a few reasons why I fell hla might > not always be a factor. the innate immune system is the first line of > defence to forien invaders and there are theiries out there that > neutrophils may be able to detect antigens and call on t cells. I > have also read where mycotoxins were termed as superantigens. > superantigens to me seems like another word for toxins.if you have > toxic vasculitis what evers in your blood will leak out of the > vessals right along with the toxins so really a exposure to fungi and > toxins and haveing them both in tour blood stream and haveing > vasculitis could leave both fungal fragments and toxins stuck in > tissues and fluids whereever these leaks accureneutrophils are the > only dead white blood cells that pass in the urine and this is one > symptom of vasculitis and from the beganing of my exposure I had dead > white blood cells in my urine. if optopsis doesn't accure that may be > why t cells are usually found at abcess sites. I also had kidney pain > and tiny red dots on my eyelids and legs. I believe the bump that is > in my right eyelid may be a nodule, anyway, it may be that if > neutriohils are getting killed off maybe this keeps the aquired > immune system from being activated and hla. over and over neutrophils > have been tied in with toxin exposure, so maybe hla comes in to play > with mold but not toxins. or maybe it depends on what has fotten into > your system first molds or toxins. I fell pretty strongly that in my > first home the first exposure I had was to stachy myco's and my > systems fit in with that. > the second reason is because theres evidence that mycotoxins dupress > the immune system, wether it supresses it or the aquired immune > system just doesn't reconize toxins, I dont know. than theres the > molecular memicry thing. > we lmow that people with diseases and compermised immune sydtems or > autoimmunity can get sick from molds in a hospital. does that mean > they have the freafed grnotypes or is it just because there immune > system is disfunctional? > they supress the immune system to do transplantations, could this be > why some end up with GVHD? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Thank you Jeanine, I know that took a lot of effort and I so much appreciate it. Your just a big sweetie! a who <jeaninem660@...> wrote: whay I alsi noticed is that when I did the urine test for Dr. Croft there were gobs of dead WBC's in my urine, about 2 years after I gor out of my moldy homes, however I was dealing with cross contamination because no one had explained that to me and I had MCS and it's bad and I can fell the blood rushing through my viens (re-accureing vasculitis) when I get a MCS attack. I was not practiceing advoidance at the time of the urine test as I did understand all of that then, and was just a zombie with a pretty messed up head. I peed in a clear jar just the other day to check and I cant see to great so I cant say there were no dead WBC's in there but I couldn't see any. bug difference as when I did the urine test there was about a half inch or more in the bottom of the court jar. what I dont know is weither I have aplastic anemia where I may not have any neutrophils or really low amounts or how long it might take for these to show up in the urine after a MCS attack and I probably count see them anyway. but it may be worth haveing this checked out everytime you have a urine sample done by a doctor. a;so, doctors that dont have their head up you know where might reconize this as a sign of kidney disease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Haley, my uderstanding is that with the aquired immune system it reconizes antigens and calls on or presents antigens t cells. I cant see to read books as the white pages over take the words. > > > > My recollection from reading Mold Warriors is that it isn't a pre- > disposition to get sick, exactly, it's that some of *us* (I haven't > been tested, but believe I'm in this group) don't make vital > antibodies that address and remove biotoxins. What happens when > we're exposed is that these toxins get in us and keep running around > wreaking havoc, whereas for others they would be eliminated from the > body before they make trouble... hence some of us get sick while > others can have limited or no ill effects under certain > circumstances... > > > > I still think I'd tell folks with the right genetics to stay away > from mycotoxins as a general precaution... > > > > All that said, I have no idea what HLA is, so this may be a > correct recollection interjected in the wrong discussion...lol. If > that's the case, please excuse the call. ;-) > > > > ~Haley > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 That is the % that I recall as well. Here is the Rosetta Stone for the HLA genotypes... http://biotoxin.info/genetics > > > > > > Does anybody have an idea if the HLA test for genotype's has > been > > published? The test they use to find out if you are > predisposition for > > this illness? > > > > > > Thank you > > > a > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > > > Search. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 lol's, but I fell like the grinch. I won't even pretent to understand the immune system. at one point I was kindof, but took a break and like I thought, not much stayed in my brain. a lit to it so I dont like commenting on it much. heres a link if you want to do some searching on the subject. introduction of interleukin-8 in human neutrophils after mhc class 2 cross linking with Sag's(superantigens). INDUCED MHC II COMPLEX, NEUTROPHILS MAY PRESENT ANTIGENS TO T CELLS http://www.jleukbio.org/cgi/content/abstract/70/1/80 click abstract for cited articles, and at the right, similue articles in this journal looks interesting. searches on this site,click on search, go down to where it says text/abstract/title, inter one of these, go down to search and click, you can also check newest first for newest articles hla-dr fungal superantigens mycotoxins 3, 1 on aspergillus fumigatis ----------------- whay I alsi noticed is that when I did the urine test for Dr. Croft > there were gobs of dead WBC's in my urine, about 2 years after I gor > out of my moldy homes, however I was dealing with cross contamination > because no one had explained that to me and I had MCS and it's bad > and I can fell the blood rushing through my viens (re-accureing > vasculitis) when I get a MCS attack. I was not practiceing advoidance > at the time of the urine test as I did understand all of that then, > and was just a zombie with a pretty messed up head. I peed in a clear > jar just the other day to check and I cant see to great so I cant say > there were no dead WBC's in there but I couldn't see any. bug > difference as when I did the urine test there was about a half inch > or more in the bottom of the court jar. what I dont know is weither I > have aplastic anemia where I may not have any neutrophils or really > low amounts or how long it might take for these to show up in the > urine after a MCS attack and I probably count see them anyway. but it > may be worth haveing this checked out everytime you have a urine > sample done by a doctor. a;so, doctors that dont have their head up > you know where might reconize this as a sign of kidney disease. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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