Re: 'Turnaround House' and LWI DVDs

January 14, 2008

hi mary,

i knew katie way back when she would go wherever she was asked - for free

and take a free offering, hoping to make enough to pay her to go there.

sometimes she made enough and sometimes she didn't AT ALL.... once in

chicago when she was just starting out, she traveled there for the weekend

and she wasn't well known there then, and there about 10 of us in the

audience for the weekend. i know there was no way she made her plane fare

there. and she really believed in not charging for her work.

i was also present when she said that she was going to have to stop

traveling, because there was no money to pay for it any longer and and she

really believed in not charging for the work. anyone who was working for

her was volunteer including people who volunteered to cut her hair! people

came and went as they could afford to- in other words, most people can not

afford to " volunteer " indefinitely.

anyway, loving her and wanting the work to move, i can see why as she became

more in demand, that it was/is necessary to charge for what she does. would

any of us work as hard as she does- for free? i mean the woman had to live

and eat etc. i don't begrudge her one penny bc of the many years she worked

for free and bc what she does is so valuable to me that i am willing to pay

for it.

lovingly laurie

> I just got an email from, I guess, 's company, telling me yet

> again of all the great DVDs and recent materials available.

>

> And I look at it, and see the prices, one was nearly $300, and I

> wonder, why, if she and others feel the work is so important, why not

> just offer the videos free online?

>

> and her corporation should offer this stuff free online.

>

> Is that true? I guess I could benefit from doing that, because

> thinking it brings dis-ease.

>

> And on the email sent to me, there is told of the 'Turnaround House'

> a place where people can go for 28 days of intensive work. Ok,

> sounds good.

>

> Then the pictures, pictures of a nicely made bed in a clean room, a

> nice bowl of food, you know what I mean, the 'glitzy' images we could

> see offered on any hotel/motel/cruiseline website.

>

> And I think to myself, yeah, the room looks that way, til ya walk in

> and plop your stuff on the bed, lay in the bed, put your belongings

> around the room, but the image is just an image.

>

> And the pleasant looking bowl of food. I don't know where I'm going

> with this. I know I don't like 'advertisers' that try to make

> something look good, when once it's being experienced it doesn't look

> that way.

>

> I guess I'll do the work on it. I think before people in here have

> discussed the idea that maybe should offer the videos for free.

> Have any of you once thought that, done the work, and now love that

> they cost money?

>

> Peace

>

--

B. Shuman

Licensed Salesperson

Christensen RealtyUSA

Home Office-375-6592

Cell Phone- 276-8071

712 Street, Clayton NY 13624

office:

PLEASE ASK FOR LAUREN

office fax

E-Mail -laurie.shuman@...

January 15, 2008

Hi ,

Cool stuff to do The Work on - let us know how it goes. Reminds me of

a BK quote which goes something like - " We're either investigating our

beliefs or attaching to them, there's no other choice. "

Yesterday, given how I was feeling I read about turnaround house,

thought it sounded amazing, then saw the price - my thoughts were:

" It should be free "

" I should be able to go for free "

" I need Turnaround House NOW! "

I also have thoughts like:

" The DVDs should be more easily available in the UK "

" I should be able to find more free stuff about The Work "

" More people should post their inquiries online "

I have previously felt this way about The School (it should cost

less), plus when reading about the certification program and how long

/ extensive it was the main thought that came to mind was:

" Byron is a control freak "

This is one of the memorable occasions for me that as soon as I wrote

it down I started laughing uncontrollably (control freak let loose).

One of the reasons I find it better that more is not available online

is that I can often be a viewer rather than active participant in The

Work - it brings me back to doing my own Work.

Here's a thought - maybe the videos could be offered for a fee online

- for download maybe?

With love,

Jon

January 15, 2008

hi mary ~

what i have noticed is that when i am focused on what i believe i

cannot 'afford' and what i beleive should be offered for 'free' i

miss what IS actually offered and available for me! although i dont

know if i love that i can't afford to go and stay at the turnaround

house, i do know that i am in a place where if i see something that i

dont have the money for, i usually know simply that i don't need it!!

did you read kt's message about why the cost of the turnaround house

is what it is? it made sense to me. have you ever considered

attending the school??? they are expanding the scholarship program

for the school and it is the sale of videos, dvd's and the fact that

people who can afford to purchase these things do pay the stated

costs that allows for scholarships to be offered. i went to the

school and the tuition was free as were my accomodation costs...i

simply asked for what i wanted and applied for the scholarship. if

you are interested, i would highly recommend applying and attending

the next school.

advertiser's shouldnt mislead people...is anything ever what it seems

or what we expect it to be?? when we really know this, then we are

just open to what things show up as rather than being disappointed

that things weren't what we saw 'pictured'....and that is the place

that the work has helped me to get to, and i do love that!

anyway, your post just brought up all these ramblings for me....

c

>

> I just got an email from, I guess, 's company, telling me yet

> again of all the great DVDs and recent materials available.

>

> And I look at it, and see the prices, one was nearly $300, and I

> wonder, why, if she and others feel the work is so important, why

not

> just offer the videos free online?

>

> and her corporation should offer this stuff free online.

>

> Is that true? I guess I could benefit from doing that, because

> thinking it brings dis-ease.

>

> And on the email sent to me, there is told of the 'Turnaround

House'

> a place where people can go for 28 days of intensive work. Ok,

> sounds good.

>

> Then the pictures, pictures of a nicely made bed in a clean room, a

> nice bowl of food, you know what I mean, the 'glitzy' images we

could

> see offered on any hotel/motel/cruiseline website.

>

> And I think to myself, yeah, the room looks that way, til ya walk

in

> and plop your stuff on the bed, lay in the bed, put your belongings

> around the room, but the image is just an image.

>

> And the pleasant looking bowl of food. I don't know where I'm going

> with this. I know I don't like 'advertisers' that try to make

> something look good, when once it's being experienced it doesn't

look

> that way.

>

> I guess I'll do the work on it. I think before people in here have

> discussed the idea that maybe should offer the videos for

free.

> Have any of you once thought that, done the work, and now love that

> they cost money?

>

> Peace

>

January 15, 2008

i agree laurie, and as we all know, the work is free...the questions

and the turnarounds are avaiable for free and the hotline is free if

you want to do the work with a person. also, there are ways to have

things come to you if you are willing to ask...people share dvd's,

videos, books, audio tapes, share costs, etc. if you cant seem to

afford something and you really think you want/need it, start asking

for it, and keep asking for it until it comes to you or yourealise

that you no longer want/need it. this is great work!

>

> > I just got an email from, I guess, 's company, telling me

yet

> > again of all the great DVDs and recent materials available.

> >

> > And I look at it, and see the prices, one was nearly $300, and I

> > wonder, why, if she and others feel the work is so important, why

not

> > just offer the videos free online?

> >

> > and her corporation should offer this stuff free online.

> >

> > Is that true? I guess I could benefit from doing that, because

> > thinking it brings dis-ease.

> >

> > And on the email sent to me, there is told of the 'Turnaround

House'

> > a place where people can go for 28 days of intensive work. Ok,

> > sounds good.

> >

> > Then the pictures, pictures of a nicely made bed in a clean room,

a

> > nice bowl of food, you know what I mean, the 'glitzy' images we

could

> > see offered on any hotel/motel/cruiseline website.

> >

> > And I think to myself, yeah, the room looks that way, til ya walk

in

> > and plop your stuff on the bed, lay in the bed, put your

belongings

> > around the room, but the image is just an image.

> >

> > And the pleasant looking bowl of food. I don't know where I'm

going

> > with this. I know I don't like 'advertisers' that try to make

> > something look good, when once it's being experienced it doesn't

look

> > that way.

> >

> > I guess I'll do the work on it. I think before people in here have

> > discussed the idea that maybe should offer the videos for

free.

> > Have any of you once thought that, done the work, and now love

that

> > they cost money?

> >

> > Peace

> >

>

> --

> B. Shuman

> Licensed Salesperson

> Christensen RealtyUSA

> Home Office-375-6592

> Cell Phone- 276-8071

> 712 Street, Clayton NY 13624

> office:

> PLEASE ASK FOR LAUREN

> office fax

> E-Mail -laurie.shuman@...

>

January 15, 2008

~

Would you like to attend a School fo rthe Work? Have you applied for

a scholarship?

C

>

> Hi ,

>

> Cool stuff to do The Work on - let us know how it goes. Reminds me

of

> a BK quote which goes something like - " We're either investigating

our

> beliefs or attaching to them, there's no other choice. "

>

> Yesterday, given how I was feeling I read about turnaround house,

> thought it sounded amazing, then saw the price - my thoughts were:

>

> " It should be free "

> " I should be able to go for free "

> " I need Turnaround House NOW! "

>

> I also have thoughts like:

>

> " The DVDs should be more easily available in the UK "

> " I should be able to find more free stuff about The Work "

> " More people should post their inquiries online "

>

> I have previously felt this way about The School (it should cost

> less), plus when reading about the certification program and how

long

> / extensive it was the main thought that came to mind was:

>

> " Byron is a control freak "

>

> This is one of the memorable occasions for me that as soon as I

wrote

> it down I started laughing uncontrollably (control freak let loose).

>

> One of the reasons I find it better that more is not available

online

> is that I can often be a viewer rather than active participant in

The

> Work - it brings me back to doing my own Work.

>

> Here's a thought - maybe the videos could be offered for a fee

online

> - for download maybe?

>

> With love,

>

> Jon

>

January 15, 2008

Hi ,

I might at some point - maybe this year, maybe next, maybe never -

don't they say that the school is always open - day to day life? Life

brings up enough stuff for me at the moment without adding the school

in :-)

And I notice I have some fears and resistance to going - my ex-wife

attended the school in October 2006 and at the time I didn't think I

needed it - ho, ho, ho...

With love,

Jon

>

> ~

>

> Would you like to attend a School fo rthe Work? Have you applied for

> a scholarship?

>

> C

January 15, 2008

Hi Jon ~

I understand the resistance Jon ~ and I dont understand it when one

is seeing the benefits of the work in their life. And yes, all of

life is a 'school' and it's not necessary to attend, just like it's

not necessary to buy dvd's, vidoeo's or listen to audio's of people

doing the work with katie. But if you are interested in the work,

there is no place like the School to spend 9 days immersed in it, and

it's fun ~ lot's of working thru stuff and lots of joy as a result.

the more you feel like life is bringing up, the more i see it as a

great place to consider being for 9 days ~ as katie says, why would

you want to live any more of your life without it?? especially when

there are scholarships available and you can come out the otherside

with the work more integrated and a part of you naturally ~ just

questions to consider especially when we are discussing thoughts

about what we believe isnt available to us.

C

> >

> > ~

> >

> > Would you like to attend a School fo rthe Work? Have you applied

for

> > a scholarship?

> >

> > C

>

January 15, 2008

The questions that come into my head are.

I need something from ? .. Is that true?

owes me (the world) something? Is that true?

I should get things for free? Is that true?

>

> I just got an email from, I guess, 's company, telling me yet

> again of all the great DVDs and recent materials available.

>

> And I look at it, and see the prices, one was nearly $300, and I

> wonder, why, if she and others feel the work is so important, why

not

> just offer the videos free online?

>

> and her corporation should offer this stuff free online.

>

> Is that true? I guess I could benefit from doing that, because

> thinking it brings dis-ease.

>

> And on the email sent to me, there is told of the 'Turnaround

House'

> a place where people can go for 28 days of intensive work. Ok,

> sounds good.

>

> Then the pictures, pictures of a nicely made bed in a clean room,

a

> nice bowl of food, you know what I mean, the 'glitzy' images we

could

> see offered on any hotel/motel/cruiseline website.

>

> And I think to myself, yeah, the room looks that way, til ya walk

in

> and plop your stuff on the bed, lay in the bed, put your

belongings

> around the room, but the image is just an image.

>

> And the pleasant looking bowl of food. I don't know where I'm

going

> with this. I know I don't like 'advertisers' that try to make

> something look good, when once it's being experienced it doesn't

look

> that way.

>

> I guess I'll do the work on it. I think before people in here have

> discussed the idea that maybe should offer the videos for

free.

> Have any of you once thought that, done the work, and now love

that

> they cost money?

>

> Peace

>

January 15, 2008

I personally don't feel a need to justify 's actions. I leave that to her.

But it is sweet of you Roslyn to defend her.

Vivian

Re: 'Turnaround House' and LWI DVDs

the you tube videos and videos on her webpage are free..

I think any organization needs money.. especially

for her prison project stuff.. and air fare and

reservations.. etc

i dont have a problem with it..

according to ron hubbard

when stuff is given away free it isnt valued.

And if the cleanse cds were free afterwards who would want

to pay for the cleanse in the first place.

i wish i would win the lottery and could afford the turnaround

house..

i dont make that much in a year

Too bad brittney doesnt go..

have you done a judge your neighbor on rich people..

judging you,

roslyn

-- In Loving-what-is , " " wrote:

>

> I just got an email from, I guess, 's company, telling me yet

> again of all the great DVDs and recent materials available.

>

> And I look at it, and see the prices, one was nearly $300, and I

> wonder, why, if she and others feel the work is so important, why not

> just offer the videos free online?

>

> and her corporation should offer this stuff free online.

>

> Is that true? I guess I could benefit from doing that, because

> thinking it brings dis-ease.

>

> And on the email sent to me, there is told of the 'Turnaround House'

> a place where people can go for 28 days of intensive work. Ok,

> sounds good.

>

> Then the pictures, pictures of a nicely made bed in a clean room, a

> nice bowl of food, you know what I mean, the 'glitzy' images we could

> see offered on any hotel/motel/cruiseline website.

>

> And I think to myself, yeah, the room looks that way, til ya walk in

> and plop your stuff on the bed, lay in the bed, put your belongings

> around the room, but the image is just an image.

>

> And the pleasant looking bowl of food. I don't know where I'm going

> with this. I know I don't like 'advertisers' that try to make

> something look good, when once it's being experienced it doesn't look

> that way.

>

> I guess I'll do the work on it. I think before people in here have

> discussed the idea that maybe should offer the videos for free.

> Have any of you once thought that, done the work, and now love that

> they cost money?

>

> Peace

>

January 15, 2008

Hi Group,

I use to live in a turnaround house for more than a year,

we were only two people dough,

and sometimes the turnarounds would be very intense,

so intense that in the end I started protecting myself with a mirror.

The more I turned around, the mirror I became,

until in the end I started seeing mirrros everywhere even within myself.

Now I still see them wherever I turn my face,

I'm so attached to mirrors and reflections that I completely lost touch with

my reality.

Well my reality is now that of a mirrors.

... Nehti

Vivian Barning wrote:

I personally don't feel a need to justify 's actions. I leave

that to her. But it is sweet of you Roslyn to defend her.

Vivian

Re: 'Turnaround House' and LWI DVDs

the you tube videos and videos on her webpage are free..

I think any organization needs money.. especially

for her prison project stuff.. and air fare and

reservations.. etc

i dont have a problem with it..

according to ron hubbard

when stuff is given away free it isnt valued.

And if the cleanse cds were free afterwards who would want

to pay for the cleanse in the first place.

i wish i would win the lottery and could afford the turnaround

house..

i dont make that much in a year

Too bad brittney doesnt go..

have you done a judge your neighbor on rich people..

judging you,

roslyn

-- In Loving-what-is , " " wrote:

>

> I just got an email from, I guess, 's company, telling me yet

> again of all the great DVDs and recent materials available.

>

> And I look at it, and see the prices, one was nearly $300, and I

> wonder, why, if she and others feel the work is so important, why not

> just offer the videos free online?

>

> and her corporation should offer this stuff free online.

>

> Is that true? I guess I could benefit from doing that, because

> thinking it brings dis-ease.

>

> And on the email sent to me, there is told of the 'Turnaround House'

> a place where people can go for 28 days of intensive work. Ok,

> sounds good.

>

> Then the pictures, pictures of a nicely made bed in a clean room, a

> nice bowl of food, you know what I mean, the 'glitzy' images we could

> see offered on any hotel/motel/cruiseline website.

>

> And I think to myself, yeah, the room looks that way, til ya walk in

> and plop your stuff on the bed, lay in the bed, put your belongings

> around the room, but the image is just an image.

>

> And the pleasant looking bowl of food. I don't know where I'm going

> with this. I know I don't like 'advertisers' that try to make

> something look good, when once it's being experienced it doesn't look

> that way.

>

> I guess I'll do the work on it. I think before people in here have

> discussed the idea that maybe should offer the videos for free.

> Have any of you once thought that, done the work, and now love that

> they cost money?

>

> Peace

>

January 16, 2008

Hi

Thanks for your response - so I almost sent quite a defensive,

smart-ass response to your message yesterday. Then I tried a

different tactic - ignore it and it will go away :-)

Hasn't worked (and never does!).

So, here's what comes up for me about The School right now - and of

course this stuff comes up all over, including with this group:

They won't like me

They will destroy me

They will tell me to get out

They will shout at me

I won't be able to get out

She (Byron ) will tell me I am a useless fuck

If I let go I will die

I will get angry and hurt someone (physically and/or verbally)

I don't deserve to go for free

It will be easier for other people if I am not there / not involved

I notice I have a fear around people in general and especially with

big groups - a fear of being consumed / obliterated.

And I can see there's some (Ok, a lot of) inquiring I could do work to

do with all of this.

Would love to hear other people's beliefs about going to the School.

With love and thanks ,

Jon x

>

> Hi Jon ~

>

> I understand the resistance Jon ~ and I dont understand it when one

> is seeing the benefits of the work in their life. And yes, all of

> life is a 'school' and it's not necessary to attend, just like it's

> not necessary to buy dvd's, vidoeo's or listen to audio's of people

> doing the work with katie. But if you are interested in the work,

> there is no place like the School to spend 9 days immersed in it, and

> it's fun ~ lot's of working thru stuff and lots of joy as a result.

> the more you feel like life is bringing up, the more i see it as a

> great place to consider being for 9 days ~ as katie says, why would

> you want to live any more of your life without it?? especially when

> there are scholarships available and you can come out the otherside

> with the work more integrated and a part of you naturally ~ just

> questions to consider especially when we are discussing thoughts

> about what we believe isnt available to us.

>

> C

January 16, 2008

I must say I was surprised by the price of the 28 day stay.. $20000.

That seems like a lot of money, but that's just my thought.

January 16, 2008

thanks for sharing this Jon ~

or course, i can relate to most of your thoughts and every time i

spontaneously post something here or anywhere some of these thoughts

show up to show me where i can go next with inquiry. i'm really

interested in letting people know that if they are genuinely wanting

to have these experiences, and feel that money is keeping them from

it...that it is still possible!!

and not everyone is ready for what one experiences at teh school and

not everyone needs that experience. i love stating the obvious!!:-)

> >

> > Hi Jon ~

> >

> > I understand the resistance Jon ~ and I dont understand it when

one

> > is seeing the benefits of the work in their life. And yes, all

of

> > life is a 'school' and it's not necessary to attend, just like

it's

> > not necessary to buy dvd's, vidoeo's or listen to audio's of

people

> > doing the work with katie. But if you are interested in the

work,

> > there is no place like the School to spend 9 days immersed in it,

and

> > it's fun ~ lot's of working thru stuff and lots of joy as a

result.

> > the more you feel like life is bringing up, the more i see it as

a

> > great place to consider being for 9 days ~ as katie says, why

would

> > you want to live any more of your life without it?? especially

when

> > there are scholarships available and you can come out the

otherside

> > with the work more integrated and a part of you naturally ~ just

> > questions to consider especially when we are discussing thoughts

> > about what we believe isnt available to us.

> >

> > C

>

January 16, 2008

tehe...i thought it was a joke at first or a mistake in the typing....!

>

> I must say I was surprised by the price of the 28 day stay.. $20000.

>

> That seems like a lot of money, but that's just my thought.

>

January 18, 2008

vivian.. just realized im in katies business

and marys..

typical.. thanks rh-

-- In Loving-what-is , " Vivian Barning "

wrote:

>

> I personally don't feel a need to justify 's actions. I leave

that to her. But it is sweet of you Roslyn to defend her.

>

> Vivian

> Re: 'Turnaround House' and LWI DVDs

>

> the you tube videos and videos on her webpage are free..

>

> I think any organization needs money.. especially

> for her prison project stuff.. and air fare and

> reservations.. etc

> i dont have a problem with it..

>

> according to ron hubbard

> when stuff is given away free it isnt valued.

>

> And if the cleanse cds were free afterwards who would want

> to pay for the cleanse in the first place.

>

> i wish i would win the lottery and could afford the turnaround

> house..

> i dont make that much in a year

> Too bad brittney doesnt go..

>

> have you done a judge your neighbor on rich people..

> judging you,

> roslyn

>

> -- In Loving-what-is , " " <lukn4frnz@> wrote:

> >

> > I just got an email from, I guess, 's company, telling me yet

> > again of all the great DVDs and recent materials available.

> >

> > And I look at it, and see the prices, one was nearly $300, and I

> > wonder, why, if she and others feel the work is so important,

why not

> > just offer the videos free online?

> >

> > and her corporation should offer this stuff free online.

> >

> > Is that true? I guess I could benefit from doing that, because

> > thinking it brings dis-ease.

> >

> > And on the email sent to me, there is told of the 'Turnaround

House'

> > a place where people can go for 28 days of intensive work. Ok,

> > sounds good.

> >

> > Then the pictures, pictures of a nicely made bed in a clean room, a

> > nice bowl of food, you know what I mean, the 'glitzy' images we

could

> > see offered on any hotel/motel/cruiseline website.

> >

> > And I think to myself, yeah, the room looks that way, til ya

walk in

> > and plop your stuff on the bed, lay in the bed, put your belongings

> > around the room, but the image is just an image.

> >

> > And the pleasant looking bowl of food. I don't know where I'm going

> > with this. I know I don't like 'advertisers' that try to make

> > something look good, when once it's being experienced it doesn't

look

> > that way.

> >

> > I guess I'll do the work on it. I think before people in here have

> > discussed the idea that maybe should offer the videos for

free.

> > Have any of you once thought that, done the work, and now love that

> > they cost money?

> >

> > Peace

> >

>

January 18, 2008

my fear is not only with the cost and spending the money

but also will i be able to do what they ask me to do.

will anyone want to be facilitated with me.. or

will i do a crummy job.

and the rest of your list also., rh -

-- In Loving-what-is , " Jon Willis " wrote:

>

> Hi

>

> Thanks for your response - so I almost sent quite a defensive,

> smart-ass response to your message yesterday. Then I tried a

> different tactic - ignore it and it will go away :-)

>

> Hasn't worked (and never does!).

>

> So, here's what comes up for me about The School right now - and of

> course this stuff comes up all over, including with this group:

>

> They won't like me

> They will destroy me

> They will tell me to get out

> They will shout at me

> I won't be able to get out

> She (Byron ) will tell me I am a useless fuck

> If I let go I will die

> I will get angry and hurt someone (physically and/or verbally)

>

> I don't deserve to go for free

> It will be easier for other people if I am not there / not involved

>

> I notice I have a fear around people in general and especially with

> big groups - a fear of being consumed / obliterated.

>

> And I can see there's some (Ok, a lot of) inquiring I could do work to

> do with all of this.

>

> Would love to hear other people's beliefs about going to the School.

>

> With love and thanks ,

>

> Jon x

>

> >

> > Hi Jon ~

> >

> > I understand the resistance Jon ~ and I dont understand it when one

> > is seeing the benefits of the work in their life. And yes, all of

> > life is a 'school' and it's not necessary to attend, just like it's

> > not necessary to buy dvd's, vidoeo's or listen to audio's of people

> > doing the work with katie. But if you are interested in the work,

> > there is no place like the School to spend 9 days immersed in it, and

> > it's fun ~ lot's of working thru stuff and lots of joy as a result.

> > the more you feel like life is bringing up, the more i see it as a

> > great place to consider being for 9 days ~ as katie says, why would

> > you want to live any more of your life without it?? especially when

> > there are scholarships available and you can come out the otherside

> > with the work more integrated and a part of you naturally ~ just

> > questions to consider especially when we are discussing thoughts

> > about what we believe isnt available to us.

> >

> > C

>

January 18, 2008

well i can't think of a more perfect place to go with all of these thoughts than

the school..and of course that's just for me and i have no idea what anyone else

should or shouldnt do....and it's the safest place i've ever been with all of my

very worst nighmares!!!!

mrcitrus6 wrote: my fear is not only with the

cost and spending the money