Re: answer me please

[Guest guest]

i'll answer you.

you are correct, a person who has the habbit of killing people who

would question only the blame, might get rid of the blame.

but a person who doesn't kill anybody and thinking on it and blame is

what stopping him.. be asure .. this person has a lot more issues to

do the work on than the blame of murder.

and after he will do the work, soon enough he will no longer want to

kill anybody, because an open mind loves reality, it does not oppose

it.

and people are like thoughts.. they are things who enter your

reality, and what left eventualy is saying 'yes' to everything

entering your path.. including people.

the act of murder is saying 'no' and trying to control and adjust

reality to your madness.

it is an insane mind.

>

> If someone would come to

> and would wonna work on the stresful thought:

> It feel blame killing people

>

> the stress is around the blame

>

> questionning the blame

> might cause the person killing people?

>

> T

>

[Guest guest]

The work can be use to justify bad things.

If I am a pedophil and I cannot stop doing what I do

and of course I feel bad about it cause people around me say:

" pedophilia s a bed thing " , and I cannot help my behavior

I would do the work on:

I should stop rapping small children, is that true?

and than I will see that it is not true cause that is what I do

Now what?

T

>

> i'll answer you.

> you are correct, a person who has the habbit of killing people who

> would question only the blame, might get rid of the blame.

> but a person who doesn't kill anybody and thinking on it and blame

is

> what stopping him.. be asure .. this person has a lot more issues

to

> do the work on than the blame of murder.

> and after he will do the work, soon enough he will no longer want

to

> kill anybody, because an open mind loves reality, it does not

oppose

> it.

> and people are like thoughts.. they are things who enter your

> reality, and what left eventualy is saying 'yes' to everything

> entering your path.. including people.

> the act of murder is saying 'no' and trying to control and adjust

> reality to your madness.

> it is an insane mind.

>

>

>

> >

> > If someone would come to

> > and would wonna work on the stresful thought:

> > It feel blame killing people

> >

> > the stress is around the blame

> >

> > questionning the blame

> > might cause the person killing people?

> >

> > T

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tami,

What you are describing already starts from the assumption that some

things are bad.

What I like about The Work is that through inquiry morally good and

morally bad are taken out of the equation, so that I can find what is

right / true for me.

For me trying to change through internal violence - " I shouldn't do

this " has not worked in the long term - it sometimes works short term.

Longer term accepting whatever behaviour and actions I have taken

leads to less stress, more peace and more space to examine the

thoughts and beliefs underneath that provide the " fuel " for certain

behaviours.

So taking your hypothetical example, in doing The Work on " I should

stop raping small children " there would be more than one turnaround:

" I should not stop raping small children "

" I should stop raping myself "

" My thinking should stop raping small children "

Of course, this all starts with an assumption that a pedophile would

have the thought " I should stop raping children " - maybe the opposite

thought is the one they would question.

And I notice with this that ultimately it doesn't matter what anyone

else does or doesn't do with The Work or whether they justify their

actions with it, it's just for me to use on my stressful thoughts.

With love,

Jon

>

> The work can be use to justify bad things.

> If I am a pedophil and I cannot stop doing what I do

> and of course I feel bad about it cause people around me say:

> " pedophilia s a bed thing " , and I cannot help my behavior

> I would do the work on:

> I should stop rapping small children, is that true?

> and than I will see that it is not true cause that is what I do

>

> Now what?

>

> T

>

[Guest guest]

PS Don't you just love the way responds through other people :-)

[Guest guest]

>

> PS Don't you just love the way responds through other people :-)

NO, I prefer the real thing

and thank you anyway :-)

T

[Guest guest]

answers that question on the " incest and abuse " tapes. She

talks how before she " woke up " , she raped her kids emotionally by

ordering them to do this and that. She says that a questioned mind

can never hurt another. Our true nature is love, kindness and truth.

How can one take advantage of a child while being true to

themselves? It's impossible. She says to take note of the rapist in

you. If you think he shouldn't rape, you stop raping first. How do

you rape yourself and others when you are not being truthful? When

you say yes and you mean no, when you appease or do anything with a

motive. Being clear ultimately means to make peace with every

thought. Notice how a thought of killing or sexual abuse, is just a

thought. When all thoughts are met with kindness and understanding,

you can be free. Most abusers have been abused themselves and they

just perpetuate the suffering further because they don't know

another way to connect. This may there only way to be understood in

their confused minds. When one puts this up against the four

questions, on the other side is peace and love. No harm can be done

by a free mind. They don't need anything and no one can give them

anything, they are free.

They say my name is not .

[Guest guest]

> >

> > PS Don't you just love the way responds through other people :-

)

>

> NO, I prefer the real thing

> and thank you anyway :-)

you'v got the real thing, thats what you dont get.

and you'r missing it by knowing ahead what it should be and where it

should come from.

[Guest guest]

Now I'm really looking forward to reading 's response, if and when

he does respond.

So no pressure , but it had better be a good one ;-)

(And yes, I know I can probably do an inquiry on that - it will have

to wait, there's a queue of thoughts and beliefs ahead of this one!)

With love,

Jon

[Guest guest]

>

> Now I'm really looking forward to reading 's response, if and when

> he does respond.

That makes the 2 of us

For me I call " the real thing "

cause he is the only one who manage to enable me to undo myself

have I made myself clear?

I guess it is because *we teach what we live*

and is clear so he teaches... lets see... clarity?

Bingo

T!

[Guest guest]

> you'v got the real thing, thats what you dont get.

> and you'r missing it by knowing ahead what it should be and where it

> should come from.

That is what I thought too, untill I met

Now I KNOW what real means!

T

[Guest guest]

> > you'v got the real thing, thats what you dont get.

> > and you'r missing it by knowing ahead what it should be and where

it

> > should come from.

>

> That is what I thought too, untill I met

> Now I KNOW what real means!

you'r delusion, alex isn't here, havn't you noticed?

you are talking about him as 'the real thing' when in fact he exist

only in your mind, he hasn't answerd and you sit and wait for the

massiah.

he has NEVER undone anything for you, you are the one who'v undone

it, and you'r blaming it on him.

you have gotten amazing reply's, and your answer is laying within

them, but you see none cuz you wait for 'the real thing', by that you

miss everything that truly real.

what real is what you get, not what you think is real.

this is THE fundamental principle of the work.

when you are open, you find your answers so quickly, it is everywhere

you look and anytime you need it.

when you'r closed, no matter how literal and clear the answer you

get, it simply wont be 'it' unless it aligns with your mind's

definition for what 'it' should look like.

[Guest guest]

And I notice is doing his job by not answering (yet).

Anyway I thought Coca-Cola was the real thing?

[Guest guest]

> > > you'v got the real thing, thats what you dont get.

> > > and you'r missing it by knowing ahead what it should be and

where

> it

The sky is *blue*

Banana is *yellow*

& is the *real thing* (for me)

Next week, I might think deferently

and define as yellow, blue, or red

I have no stress around calling him that way

and it doen't mean that I don't read other people's respond to me

I have.

> > > should come from.

> >

> > That is what I thought too, untill I met

> > Now I KNOW what real means!

>

> you'r delusion, alex isn't here, havn't you noticed?

> you are talking about him as 'the real thing' when in fact he

exist

> only in your mind, he hasn't answerd and you sit and wait for the

> massiah.

Right, he exist only in my head, and so are YOU

In spite of the fact that you are " here "

> he has NEVER undone anything for you, you are the one who'v undone

> it, and you'r blaming it on him.

In the end it was me

but he was clear enough to guide me to the truth

and doesn't fill me up with some more stories

the way you do.

> you have gotten amazing reply's, and your answer is laying within

> them, but you see none cuz you wait for 'the real thing', by that

you

> miss everything that truly real.

> what real is what you get, not what you think is real.

> this is THE fundamental principle of the work.

> when you are open, you find your answers so quickly, it is

everywhere

> you look and anytime you need it.

> when you'r closed, no matter how literal and clear the answer you

> get, it simply wont be 'it' unless it aligns with your mind's

> definition for what 'it' should look like.

You could be right, yet

in my experience, when I talk to or read his posts to me

my stories let go of me, only by listening to him

and I hear that you found truth everywhere you look

that is not my experience yet.

when it comes to my wellbeing, I will not be byond my own evolution

and ask the clearest mind I know to share his opinion with me

neverthelessI read other people respond to me

just in case...

thank you for your love

Tami

[Guest guest]

Hi Tami,

Thanks - after reading your latest message I went away and did The

Work on the statement:

" She shouldn't be so stupid "

I have posted the inquiry on my blog at

http://www.selfhappiness.com/2007/12/inquiry-she-shouldnt-be-so-stupid.html

It turns out that it is me being so stupid and you are being really,

really clear (CLARITY!) :-)

With much love,

Jon x

[Guest guest]

> Hi Tami,

>

> Thanks - after reading your latest message I went away and did The

> Work on the statement:

>

> " She shouldn't be so stupid "

>

> I have posted the inquiry on my blog at

> http://www.selfhappiness.com/2007/12/inquiry-she-shouldnt-be-so-

stupid.html

>

> It turns out that it is me being so stupid and you are being

really,

> really clear (CLARITY!) :-)

>

> With much love,

>

> Jon x

>

Dear Jon

Boy, you are so clear!

next time I will ask for your help too

(if that is fine by you)

Love, Tami

p.s, nice picture :-)

[Guest guest]

You are right, T.

I have noticed that some use The Work as defense and justification for

their actions or inactions.

I say that I would do the work on thoughts that come up in defense

when people say " pedophilia is a bad thing " .

Those people are wrong

I cannot stop doing what I do

I cannot help my behavior

I cannot change

I cannot get help

Loving you, nne

> The work can be use to justify bad things.

> If I am a pedophil and I cannot stop doing what I do

> and of course I feel bad about it cause people around me say:

> " pedophilia s a bed thing " , and I cannot help my behavior

> I would do the work on:

> I should stop rapping small children, is that true?

> and than I will see that it is not true cause that is what I do

>

> Now what?

>

> T

>

>

>

>

> >

> > i'll answer you.

> > you are correct, a person who has the habbit of killing people who

> > would question only the blame, might get rid of the blame.

> > but a person who doesn't kill anybody and thinking on it and blame

> is

> > what stopping him.. be asure .. this person has a lot more issues

> to

> > do the work on than the blame of murder.

> > and after he will do the work, soon enough he will no longer want

> to

> > kill anybody, because an open mind loves reality, it does not

> oppose

> > it.

> > and people are like thoughts.. they are things who enter your

> > reality, and what left eventualy is saying 'yes' to everything

> > entering your path.. including people.

> > the act of murder is saying 'no' and trying to control and adjust

> > reality to your madness.

> > it is an insane mind.

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > If someone would come to

> > > and would wonna work on the stresful thought:

> > > It feel blame killing people

> > >

> > > the stress is around the blame

> > >

> > > questionning the blame

> > > might cause the person killing people?

> > >

> > > T

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Dear Jon

> Boy, you are so clear!

> next time I will ask for your help too

> (if that is fine by you)

>

> Love, Tami

>

> p.s, nice picture :-)

>

Please Tami can you ask for my help too? I'm clear too. I don't even

know who you are and I want your approval damm it! I'm really clear

about that. See, I'm even willing to be clear so long as you'll make

me your guru. I'm nothing without your approval. I need some

validation sister. I'll put on some goofy glasses, I'll stare off

into the distance, I'll pause for 20 seconds between words. I can

probably even pull off the twinkle in the eye thing. Just sit at my

feet and ask for my wisdom.

Oh the mind,,,

[Guest guest]

Hootlessville,

I am shocked, here I was thinking of you as my guru, but now I find

out you are nothing more than a charlatan, willing to do anything for

validation.

While it is tempting to ask you to belly-dance in order to receive my

continued approval, I have decided to move on to a new guru in my life

- yes, it's .

This might hurt, but you can't out-guru him - his refusal to answer,

despite repeated attempts to seduce him through this discussion group,

clearly show that he is above all of this validation and approval

nonsense and is worthy of true guru status.

Disappointedly,

Jon

PS If anyone knows 's weight that would be helpful - I can then

make the necessary adjustments to Hootlessville's old pedestal.

[Guest guest]

>

> >

> > Dear Jon

> > Boy, you are so clear!

> > next time I will ask for your help too

> > (if that is fine by you)

> >

> > Love, Tami

> >

> > p.s, nice picture :-)

> >

>

> Please Tami can you ask for my help too? I'm clear too. I don't

even

> know who you are and I want your approval damm it! I'm really clear

> about that. See, I'm even willing to be clear so long as you'll

make

> me your guru. I'm nothing without your approval. I need some

> validation sister. I'll put on some goofy glasses, I'll stare off

> into the distance, I'll pause for 20 seconds between words. I can

> probably even pull off the twinkle in the eye thing. Just sit at my

> feet and ask for my wisdom.

>

> Oh the mind,,,

well, i'm clear that i found this very funny...thanks for the

chuckle!!! te he te he

>

[Guest guest]

>

> >

> > Dear Jon

> > Boy, you are so clear!

> > next time I will ask for your help too

> > (if that is fine by you)

> >

> > Love, Tami

> >

> > p.s, nice picture :-)

> >

>

> Please Tami can you ask for my help too? I'm clear too. I don't

even

> know who you are and I want your approval damm it! I'm really clear

> about that. See, I'm even willing to be clear so long as you'll

make

> me your guru. I'm nothing without your approval. I need some

> validation sister. I'll put on some goofy glasses, I'll stare off

> into the distance, I'll pause for 20 seconds between words. I can

> probably even pull off the twinkle in the eye thing. Just sit at my

> feet and ask for my wisdom.

>

> Oh the mind,,,

It seem to me as if you are judging the fact that

I valid and adore 's wisdom.

Arnt we all sometimes prefer certain people over other?

Arnt we all have prefernces?

YES, maybe it is not politicly correct to say our preferenses outload

YET, it seem more hosest way to live

And you hve the right to judge me

T

[Guest guest]

It's great that you posted your question here and not asked

directly via email because many can benefit from this discussion. The

more tactful way might have been for you to post the question for

everyone to answer and then to email asking him to contribute

because you value his wisdom. But reality as it is works out

perfectly. Some of us got to have our buttons pushed and that can only

be a good thing. So thank you for that .

Off topic; I was just listening to some MP3's of and she

mentions you Tami by name a couple of times. I thought that was cool.

Bliss...

[Guest guest]

> Off topic; I was just listening to some MP3's of and she

> mentions you Tami by name a couple of times. I thought that was cool.

I do you know it was me she was talking about?

And what was she talking about?

T