Guest guest Posted September 23, 2000 Report Share Posted September 23, 2000 Hate the ADA, AHA, AMA, I think they are scheming to keep us sick and sell us pills! Re: Fruit for diabetics > > Sam Levy wrote: > > << An Apple A Day, from Diabetes Forecast, the ADA magazine of June 98 For > people with diabetes, fruit's a natural choice for satisfying a sweet tooth. > >> > > Sam, we hate the ADA. They keep telling diabetics to relax - don't worry > about carbohydrates - you don't have to deny yourselves - just keep taking > these overpriced pills and/or shots and using the WAY overpriced test strips > our advertisers sell - and you'll be reasonably happy ... until you die in a > few years, in pain, handicapped and bankrupt - from following our advice. We > sneer at them ... we jeer at them ... we fart in their general direction. > > << At my house there are pears, bananas, kiwis, mangoes, apricots, plums > ripening on the counter. There are oranges for breakfast. Cantaloupe, > grapes and strawberries in the refrigerator. I eat my fruit with vanilla > yogurt, purchased in quart sizes for $2. I add sweetener to the grapefruit, > to kiwis and some to yogurt. >> > > These should prove very helpful to you in recovering from hypos. They're > full of sugar. And you sweeten them further with artificial sweeteners and > yogurt. In general, we find a " sweet tooth " gets us in trouble. Better learn > to limit sweets of all types ... our ancestors ate very few sweets. Our > physical systems are not programmed to handle all the sugars. > > << I use fruit for my daily source of carbohydrates, they raise you sugar > levels less than wheat products, and are gone quickly. >> > > For many of us, wheat raises our sugars more than sugar. We would prefer not > to raise our sugars much - if we can help it. Human beings actually don't > need to eat carbohydrates. People eat carbs because they like them ... not > because they need them. > > << I have a small salad at dinner, steamed vegetable, nuked potato and meat. > >> > > There's a quarter cup of sugar in a medium boiled potato; a half cup in a > baked potato. > > << Enjoy! >> > > No thanks. > > << Carbohydrates are starches or sugars. Starches are long chain molecules > the body digests to glucose. >> > > Carbohydrates are long-chain *sugar* molecules. The first thing your body > does when you eat carbohydrates is convert them to individual links in the > chain ... it converts carbs to sugar. > > << It occurs to me that plain sugar is all fruit sugar, from cane or beets. > It is merely concentrated. >> > > There are different types of sugars ... glucose, fructose, sucrose, alcohol > sugars, etc. They all hit us at different speeds. > > << You can have sugar as a sweetener in your favorite chocolate if you make > room for it in your diet. >> > > Sounds like those devils at the ADA talkin' again, Sam ... We try not to > encourage behavior that can put a diabetic on a long downhill slide. It's > more fun to entertain the notion that " we're just like everyone else, " but > we have a serious, potentially-fatal disease that requires a lot of > dedication. The ADA doesn't care if we die, Sam ... With so many people > following their advice, there'll be lots of new recruits to take the places > of the dead ones. > > << I just had a perfect peach, it looked rather like a " Rich Lady " variety > they had in the store here a few years ago. They are deep red in color, the > peel seperates easily, the stone rather harder. >> > > I eat the occasional peach ... have a few of those " red ones " on hand. I eat > fruit maybe 1-2 times a week - in moderation. > > Susie > > > > Public website for Diabetes International: > http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2000 Report Share Posted September 23, 2000 Sam Levy wrote: << An Apple A Day, from Diabetes Forecast, the ADA magazine of June 98 For people with diabetes, fruit's a natural choice for satisfying a sweet tooth. >> Sam, we hate the ADA. They keep telling diabetics to relax - don't worry about carbohydrates - you don't have to deny yourselves - just keep taking these overpriced pills and/or shots and using the WAY overpriced test strips our advertisers sell - and you'll be reasonably happy ... until you die in a few years, in pain, handicapped and bankrupt - from following our advice. We sneer at them ... we jeer at them ... we fart in their general direction. << At my house there are pears, bananas, kiwis, mangoes, apricots, plums ripening on the counter. There are oranges for breakfast. Cantaloupe, grapes and strawberries in the refrigerator. I eat my fruit with vanilla yogurt, purchased in quart sizes for $2. I add sweetener to the grapefruit, to kiwis and some to yogurt. >> These should prove very helpful to you in recovering from hypos. They're full of sugar. And you sweeten them further with artificial sweeteners and yogurt. In general, we find a " sweet tooth " gets us in trouble. Better learn to limit sweets of all types ... our ancestors ate very few sweets. Our physical systems are not programmed to handle all the sugars. << I use fruit for my daily source of carbohydrates, they raise you sugar levels less than wheat products, and are gone quickly. >> For many of us, wheat raises our sugars more than sugar. We would prefer not to raise our sugars much - if we can help it. Human beings actually don't need to eat carbohydrates. People eat carbs because they like them ... not because they need them. << I have a small salad at dinner, steamed vegetable, nuked potato and meat. >> There's a quarter cup of sugar in a medium boiled potato; a half cup in a baked potato. << Enjoy! >> No thanks. << Carbohydrates are starches or sugars. Starches are long chain molecules the body digests to glucose. >> Carbohydrates are long-chain *sugar* molecules. The first thing your body does when you eat carbohydrates is convert them to individual links in the chain ... it converts carbs to sugar. << It occurs to me that plain sugar is all fruit sugar, from cane or beets. It is merely concentrated. >> There are different types of sugars ... glucose, fructose, sucrose, alcohol sugars, etc. They all hit us at different speeds. << You can have sugar as a sweetener in your favorite chocolate if you make room for it in your diet. >> Sounds like those devils at the ADA talkin' again, Sam ... We try not to encourage behavior that can put a diabetic on a long downhill slide. It's more fun to entertain the notion that " we're just like everyone else, " but we have a serious, potentially-fatal disease that requires a lot of dedication. The ADA doesn't care if we die, Sam ... With so many people following their advice, there'll be lots of new recruits to take the places of the dead ones. << I just had a perfect peach, it looked rather like a " Rich Lady " variety they had in the store here a few years ago. They are deep red in color, the peel seperates easily, the stone rather harder. >> I eat the occasional peach ... have a few of those " red ones " on hand. I eat fruit maybe 1-2 times a week - in moderation. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2000 Report Share Posted September 23, 2000 OK, szau, where do you get your carbs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2000 Report Share Posted September 23, 2000 I eat broccoli, celery, stoneground wheat bread, an occasional baked potato, acorn squash, one and a half fruits a day with bananas raising my triglicerides on ocassion. I never ever have fruit juice which I miss dearly. One glass of oj kills my bg.) I am not a carb counter YET. This list is gonna make me one maybe. I stay on the 7 starch my plan allows and am on WW too. I am thinking of even discarding fruit even more . My bg has been running in the 170s so am considering dropping fruit I am not on insulin and have been under dietary control for 4 years. If you see something here that needs to be corrected let me know. sharon Re: Fruit for diabetics OK, szau, where do you get your carbs? Public website for Diabetes International: http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2000 Report Share Posted September 23, 2000 Everyone seems to disagree wiyth my idea that I can't have fruit and be low carb, yet I know I can. My recent HbA1c was 6.0 and my fasting is under 95. I did have a period when I had an infected toe, my fasting was 131, I immediately lowered my intake and got fasting below 100. So lets see where we differ. First i don't eat my carbs all at once in " meals " . Breakfast is 2 eggs, stirred into a teflon skillet rubbed cold with some cold margerine, a stick lasts 2 months. I may or may not have 6 grams of carbs as toast. Midmorning I will have a small orange. sometimes eaten in 2 halves some time apart. Lunch a salad in a saucedish, lettuce tomato, carrot, celery 4 black olives, some blue cheese, 1 tablespoon of dressing. About 3 I prepare fruit in a saucedish, no way to overeat there. Lately mango, but the season is ending, pear, half a banana, some honeydew as needed for regularity. Dinner 2 oz? meat fried with a few drops of oil, half a medium potato, I may not eat all. A steamed vegetable or veg in combination. More fruit around 8 and finish at 10pm. What i discovered was that by eating small amounts through the day, no highs, lows, hunger. Your endocrine system is still working, unless it is challenged by meals as such. I can store sugar so i can go with a totally empty bowel, as for a complete bowel exam drive in have the test, and be 95 around 11am. Now I'm 72 now 225, they want me to weigh 165. I have shrunk 3 inches as age settles our bones. I was down to 197, backslid with nuts and bittersweet chocolate squares, it all adds up. Sam I have solved my problem, have you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2000 Report Share Posted September 23, 2000 Sharon wrote: << If you see something here that needs to be corrected let me know. >> You mentioned you are on " 7 starch. " I take it you're doing the " exchange " program. Most of us have abandoned that. We just count carbohydrates. One huge prob with the exchanges is they break carbs into several different categories, like dairy and starches and fruits and so on. Those all need to be lumped together. Everything that isn't a protein or a fat should be counted as a carbohydrate. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2000 Report Share Posted September 25, 2000 Sam Levy wrote: << Everyone seems to disagree wiyth my idea that I can't have fruit and be low carb, yet I know I can. >> Sam, what concerns me is that you don't differentiate between, e.g., strawberries and bananas. That would be like me saying I can eat all the vegetables I want, and lump cooked peas and sweet corn and even potatoes in with broccoli and cauliflower and green beans. You should be seeing significantly different reactions to the various fruits you are eating. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2000 Report Share Posted September 26, 2000 In a message dated 00-09-25 18:33:04 EDT, you write: << In the summer, my favorite is melted sharp cheddar on toast with a thick slice of garden tomato. Yum-m-m-m! >> tomatos generally make my BG go up... :-( Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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