Re: Agar Agar for detoxing - saunas

[Guest guest]

I'd like to bring back to the conversation 's comments from last summer

where she spoke of the striking improvement with detoxing she had using a home

ozone sauna - she says she got her personality back...

I'd like to get my personality back, lol. I do plan to do it when I can

afford it.

~Haley

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

That is one of the ways the body eliminates toxins in general. I have

no idea how, if MOLD toxins come out in skin or sweat.

Perhaps research on human milk and mycotoxins might tell us something

about that? I don't KNOW.

If mold toxins are secreted in mothers milk then they may come out in

sweat. Mammary glands got started out as sweat glands millions of

years ago, I THINK, (this is pure speculation, YMMV, chew all theories

before swallowing, etc.)

If there are saunas in your area your local Swedes or Russians would

know.. ask them.. its a big part of their culture.. nothing like it..

really.. its great.

Heat may stimulate the body's natural response to eliminate toxins,

thats what fever is all about. Its not just about the sweating.

The extreme cold from post sauna immersion in ice water (the Russians

like to swim in icy streams!) also may do amazing things for the

body's resistance to illness.

Thousands of years of human knowledge and experience should not be

dismissed with a wave of the hand..

[Guest guest]

Saunas are cheap. You can even build one yourself. Ive helped do that

many times while camping in my younger days. You use large boughs from

evergreen trees. Ideally your sauna should be near running water (for

bathing immediately afterward) but if thats not possible, a cold

shower nearby will do.

From http://www.cyberbohemia.com/Pages/buildyourown.htm

" Here are a few Finnish words which apply to the sauna and I use

throughout the text. They are easy to learn, at least as easy as

cappuccino.

Kiuas (ke-wus)-sauna's stove or heater.

Loyly (lou-lu)-super-heated vapor that hisses off hot sauna rocks.

Vihta (veh-ta)-a bunch of broad leafed twigs for flagellation.

Sauna (sow-na)-now part of the English language. Often pronounced

saw-na in America.

KIUAS

A perfect sauna depends upon the proper rocks and a source of heat

that will make them red hot.

The kiuas is the sauna's heart.

A good kiuas, be it electric, gas or woodburning, will pour heat

evenly all through the sweat room. If hot enough, water will explode

off the rocks and fill the room with short bursts of loyly and create

the right bathing humidity.

Since the beginning of this century, many types of kiuas have been

introduced, and all of them use rocks to store and radiate heat.

ROCKS

Each heating of a sauna rock equals thousands of years of natural

erosion. only the strongest rocks can survive constant heating and

cooling, and even they will eventually crack and crumble. When this

occurs, they lose their capacity to hold heat and in time they

disintegrate and clog the kiuas.

The best sauna rocks are those least exposed to weather. Certain

quarried rocks are therefore the strongest. Glassy rocks of high

quartz or iron content are not recommended. Iron is a fast conductor

of heat and when water is poured on, it becomes trapped in a shell of

vapor and tends to form beads. As the beads slide of the rock a weak

loyly is produced. obviously, rocks that produce poisonous gases or

offensive odors should not be used.

One of the best sauna rocks is peridotite, a quarried Finnish rock

that kiuas manufacturers ship across the world. Certain North American

rocks work as well. Freshly quarried basalt, black and fine grained,

from the Cascade and Sierra ranges, is excellent. So is hornblende,

found in many parts of this continent. It's a textured rock which has

been re-crystalized at a high temperature making it ideal for the

sauna. Locations of these types of rocks can be found on geological

surveying maps available from any Bureau of Mines or through the

Government Printing office in Washington, D.C.

TESTING THE ROCKS: Exploding rocks are dangerous. Perform a simple

test to guarantee their safety. Thoroughly heat a sample for two hours

or more. Drop it into a pail of cold water, then look for cracks. When

the rock is cool, test it further by hitting it with a hammer or

against another rock. If the rock cracks or makes a soft grinding

sound when rubbed against another rock, discard it and find another

source. If it survives you have a safe sauna rock. A more elaborate

test can be made by your local metallurgical laboratory. It costs a

few dollars.

THE AMOUNT AND SIZE OF THE SAUNA ROCKS: The best sauna rocks are the

size of large potatoes. With sufficient heat replenishment, the amount

of rocks can be as little as 25-35 kilos (55-75 pounds). Heat storage

kiuas, which are only heated once, need at least 120 kilos (264

pounds) of rocks. A savusauna takes anywhere from 250-500 kilos

(600-ll00 pounds) of rock depending on the size of the room.

Too large or too many rocks take an unnecessary amount of time to

heat. Too small or too few rocks will cause the sauna to cool after a

few splashes of water. Rocks, in order to heat properly, must not be

packed either too tightly or too loosely.

HOW HOT SHOULD THE ROCKS BE? 5OO-800 degrees C (950-1500 degrees F).

Wood burning kiuas often heat rocks until they turn brilliant red.

It's not necessary to measure their temperature. If water thrown on

the rocks makes a sharp crack, like the opening of a carbonated drink,

and one or two seconds later an invisible loyly fills the room, they

are hot enough. Water tossed on tepid rocks will bubble slowly and

turn the sauna into a steamy bath. "

> I'd like to get my personality back, lol. I do plan to do it when I can

> afford it.

>

> ~Haley

>

>

[Guest guest]

I do know that one of the doctors I consulted about my issues said

the first thing she does is get her patients in saunas and get them

sweating. She said sweating is one of the best ways to elimate

toxins. I know I am not one to sweat much. I wonder if there is a

way to get ourselves sweating if we don't have access to a sauna?

When I was young, I guess around 14 and took ballet, the older girls

would wrap themselves in plastic sandwich wrap while practicing so

they could sweat. I wonder if this is something some of us can do to

help us get that stuff out of us??

> That is one of the ways the body eliminates toxins in

general. I have

> no idea how, if MOLD toxins come out in skin or sweat.

>

> Perhaps research on human milk and mycotoxins might tell us

something

> about that? I don't KNOW.

>

> If mold toxins are secreted in mothers milk then they may come out

in

> sweat. Mammary glands got started out as sweat glands millions of

> years ago, I THINK, (this is pure speculation, YMMV, chew all

theories

> before swallowing, etc.)

>

> If there are saunas in your area your local Swedes or Russians would

> know.. ask them.. its a big part of their culture.. nothing like

it..

> really.. its great.

>

> Heat may stimulate the body's natural response to eliminate toxins,

> thats what fever is all about. Its not just about the sweating.

>

> The extreme cold from post sauna immersion in ice water (the

Russians

> like to swim in icy streams!) also may do amazing things for the

> body's resistance to illness.

>

> Thousands of years of human knowledge and experience should not be

> dismissed with a wave of the hand..

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> That is one of the ways the body eliminates toxins in

general. I have

> no idea how, if MOLD toxins come out in skin or sweat.

>

> Perhaps research on human milk and mycotoxins might tell us something

> about that? I don't KNOW.

>

> If mold toxins are secreted in mothers milk then they may come out in

> sweat. Mammary glands got started out as sweat glands millions of

> years ago, I THINK, (this is pure speculation, YMMV, chew all theories

> before swallowing, etc.)

>

> If there are saunas in your area your local Swedes or Russians would

> know.. ask them.. its a big part of their culture.. nothing like it..

> really.. its great.

>

> Heat may stimulate the body's natural response to eliminate toxins,

> thats what fever is all about. Its not just about the sweating.

>

> The extreme cold from post sauna immersion in ice water (the Russians

> like to swim in icy streams!) also may do amazing things for the

> body's resistance to illness.

>

> Thousands of years of human knowledge and experience should not be

> dismissed with a wave of the hand..

>

> I've heard alot about infra red saunas-anybody have any experience

with them. I can get them here (New York) in conjunction with a

colonic (which have always worked for me too). But I haven't tried the

sauna.

Thanks, Surella

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jackie,

I had a flea infestation in my home one year when I forgot to treat

my cat with flea drops and to protect myself while cleaning I put a

hole in the top of a large plastic garbage bad and holes in the side

for my arms and cleaned with that on. Now I use that outfit to do

other dusty or dirty jobs. Go outside afterwards and clean the bag

off and use it again later.

Problem was I got so HOT working and would cause me to sweat...so???

Mild exercise with garbage bag on??

(KC is probably going crazy with all these ideas without any reliable

source for it being okay for a person to do.)

**I will add this. When I was at Dallas Clinic to see Dr Rae, a

patient who was very sick there due to formaldehyde exposure at her

job and needed to detox, told me Dr Rae said it was very important to

be careful with how she detox because some detoxing methods can 'stir

up' toxins from where they 'were' in your body, such as in fat

storage, and recirculate them and they can end up in a worse place,

so one should research method of detoxing carefully and be particular

about source of detox information. He was starting her out with

sauna, but what kind I don't know. He had both fir saunas there and

also steam saunas. How much time to start, how freq, and how much

time you can eventually do, I don't know but I think one should find

these things out.

She was reading a book she recommended to me called " Detox or Die " by

Sherry . She did not say whether Dr Rae recommended this book

or not. However, I have it on a list of books I'd like to read but

have not read it yet.

>

> I do know that one of the doctors I consulted about my issues said

> the first thing she does is get her patients in saunas and get them

> sweating.

[Guest guest]

Live, evergreens are terriable about collecting mold,mycp's and other

chemocals out of the air, I'd be worried about doing that, you might

detox but you might be breathing in more than what goes out. kind of

like takeing some herbs, you might detox but you also might be

getting some other toxins put in your system. same with some drugs.

thats like around here in the summer with the humidity we have I

could srand outside and detox but guess what I'd be exposeing myself

to at the same time.

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> Saunas are cheap. You can even build one yourself. Ive helped do

that

> many times while camping in my younger days. You use large boughs

from

> evergreen trees. Ideally your sauna should be near running water

(for

> bathing immediately afterward) but if thats not possible, a cold

> shower nearby will do.

>

>

> From http://www.cyberbohemia.com/Pages/buildyourown.htm

>

> " Here are a few Finnish words which apply to the sauna and I use

> throughout the text. They are easy to learn, at least as easy as

> cappuccino.

>

> Kiuas (ke-wus)-sauna's stove or heater.

>

> Loyly (lou-lu)-super-heated vapor that hisses off hot sauna rocks.

>

> Vihta (veh-ta)-a bunch of broad leafed twigs for flagellation.

>

> Sauna (sow-na)-now part of the English language. Often pronounced

> saw-na in America.

>

> KIUAS

>

> A perfect sauna depends upon the proper rocks and a source of heat

> that will make them red hot.

>

> The kiuas is the sauna's heart.

> A good kiuas, be it electric, gas or woodburning, will pour heat

> evenly all through the sweat room. If hot enough, water will explode

> off the rocks and fill the room with short bursts of loyly and

create

> the right bathing humidity.

>

> Since the beginning of this century, many types of kiuas have been

> introduced, and all of them use rocks to store and radiate heat.

>

> ROCKS

>

> Each heating of a sauna rock equals thousands of years of natural

> erosion. only the strongest rocks can survive constant heating and

> cooling, and even they will eventually crack and crumble. When this

> occurs, they lose their capacity to hold heat and in time they

> disintegrate and clog the kiuas.

>

> The best sauna rocks are those least exposed to weather. Certain

> quarried rocks are therefore the strongest. Glassy rocks of high

> quartz or iron content are not recommended. Iron is a fast conductor

> of heat and when water is poured on, it becomes trapped in a shell

of

> vapor and tends to form beads. As the beads slide of the rock a weak

> loyly is produced. obviously, rocks that produce poisonous gases or

> offensive odors should not be used.

>

> One of the best sauna rocks is peridotite, a quarried Finnish rock

> that kiuas manufacturers ship across the world. Certain North

American

> rocks work as well. Freshly quarried basalt, black and fine grained,

> from the Cascade and Sierra ranges, is excellent. So is hornblende,

> found in many parts of this continent. It's a textured rock which

has

> been re-crystalized at a high temperature making it ideal for the

> sauna. Locations of these types of rocks can be found on geological

> surveying maps available from any Bureau of Mines or through the

> Government Printing office in Washington, D.C.

>

> TESTING THE ROCKS: Exploding rocks are dangerous. Perform a simple

> test to guarantee their safety. Thoroughly heat a sample for two

hours

> or more. Drop it into a pail of cold water, then look for cracks.

When

> the rock is cool, test it further by hitting it with a hammer or

> against another rock. If the rock cracks or makes a soft grinding

> sound when rubbed against another rock, discard it and find another

> source. If it survives you have a safe sauna rock. A more elaborate

> test can be made by your local metallurgical laboratory. It costs a

> few dollars.

>

> THE AMOUNT AND SIZE OF THE SAUNA ROCKS: The best sauna rocks are the

> size of large potatoes. With sufficient heat replenishment, the

amount

> of rocks can be as little as 25-35 kilos (55-75 pounds). Heat

storage

> kiuas, which are only heated once, need at least 120 kilos (264

> pounds) of rocks. A savusauna takes anywhere from 250-500 kilos

> (600-ll00 pounds) of rock depending on the size of the room.

>

> Too large or too many rocks take an unnecessary amount of time to

> heat. Too small or too few rocks will cause the sauna to cool after

a

> few splashes of water. Rocks, in order to heat properly, must not be

> packed either too tightly or too loosely.

>

> HOW HOT SHOULD THE ROCKS BE? 5OO-800 degrees C (950-1500 degrees F).

> Wood burning kiuas often heat rocks until they turn brilliant red.

> It's not necessary to measure their temperature. If water thrown on

> the rocks makes a sharp crack, like the opening of a carbonated

drink,

> and one or two seconds later an invisible loyly fills the room, they

> are hot enough. Water tossed on tepid rocks will bubble slowly and

> turn the sauna into a steamy bath. "

>

>

> > I'd like to get my personality back, lol. I do plan to do it

when I can

> > afford it.

> >

> > ~Haley

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Pine trees contain a natural antifungal resin. That's the reason for

Pine Sol, 's oil soap, etc.

Of course, then if a fungal strain developed in that environment that

could overcome that, like other biocides, it might be stronger,

toxically. There's that " what doesn't killl them makes them stronger "

link, another reason why biocides are not the way to go to remove

mold.

If this planet was involved in a nuclear war tomorrow and 3/4 of its

living surface was rendered uninhabitable to all living things and

humans, animals, funi, etc. were al crowded onto the remaining 1/4,

you can bet that mold would win out, because it mutates the fastest.

It would be nasty, strong, extremely toxic mold too that would win.

Even 'natural' biocides like pine, if they are the environment, end up

breeding stronger molds to overcome it. Sooner or later everything has

to decompose.

[Guest guest]

just the smell of pinesil makes me very ill.

>

> Pine trees contain a natural antifungal resin. That's the reason for

> Pine Sol, 's oil soap, etc.

>

> Of course, then if a fungal strain developed in that environment

that

> could overcome that, like other biocides, it might be stronger,

> toxically. There's that " what doesn't killl them makes them

stronger "

> link, another reason why biocides are not the way to go to remove

> mold.

>

> If this planet was involved in a nuclear war tomorrow and 3/4 of its

> living surface was rendered uninhabitable to all living things and

> humans, animals, funi, etc. were al crowded onto the remaining 1/4,

> you can bet that mold would win out, because it mutates the fastest.

> It would be nasty, strong, extremely toxic mold too that would win.

>

> Even 'natural' biocides like pine, if they are the environment, end

up

> breeding stronger molds to overcome it. Sooner or later everything

has

> to decompose.

>

[Guest guest]

oh wow, u remember me posting that?! yeah, everyone says that my

outgoing personality is back. hmmm, i'd say from 2002-late 2005, i

was a zombie, i merely existed. i felt awful, i wasn't getting any

real solutions from doctors. those years were some of the darker

periods of my life. but nowadays, look out world!

Haley, please let me know when you're ready to take on detoxing! :-)

> That is one of the ways the body eliminates toxins in

general. I have

> no idea how, if MOLD toxins come out in skin or sweat.

>

> Perhaps research on human milk and mycotoxins might tell us something

> about that? I don't KNOW.

>

> If mold toxins are secreted in mothers milk then they may come out in

> sweat. Mammary glands got started out as sweat glands millions of

> years ago, I THINK, (this is pure speculation, YMMV, chew all theories

> before swallowing, etc.)

>

> If there are saunas in your area your local Swedes or Russians would

> know.. ask them.. its a big part of their culture.. nothing like it..

> really.. its great.

>

> Heat may stimulate the body's natural response to eliminate toxins,

> thats what fever is all about. Its not just about the sweating.

>

> The extreme cold from post sauna immersion in ice water (the Russians

> like to swim in icy streams!) also may do amazing things for the

> body's resistance to illness.

>

> Thousands of years of human knowledge and experience should not be

> dismissed with a wave of the hand..

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

sweating alone is not going to release the toxins from biotoxin

exposure. for about a year, i used a FIR sauna almost daily @ 70

minutes at a time and came out drenched.

so to answer your question, how to get the toxins out? i'll make this

short & sweet----steam sauna (with the medical-grade ozone generator),

ear insufflations (with medical-grade ozone generator), and liver

flushes.

>

> I do know that one of the doctors I consulted about my issues said

> the first thing she does is get her patients in saunas and get them

> sweating. She said sweating is one of the best ways to elimate

> toxins. I know I am not one to sweat much. I wonder if there is a

> way to get ourselves sweating if we don't have access to a sauna?

> When I was young, I guess around 14 and took ballet, the older girls

> would wrap themselves in plastic sandwich wrap while practicing so

> they could sweat. I wonder if this is something some of us can do to

> help us get that stuff out of us??

>

>

[Guest guest]

yes, i've used FIR saunas daily (more or less) for a year. i would

stay in for 70 minutes. my overall conclusion--they don't

work...however if you were healthy all along, adding FIR saunas would

be the way to go to stay in good health, but people who were exposed

to biotoxins (like most of us here on this forum) should not expect

the FIR saunas to help fully eradicate the toxins.

best detox i've come across & believe me, i've tried a lot of things

(including coffee enemas, RIFE machine, acupuncture, BioSET allergy

elimination techniques, chinese medicine, suppositories from Germany,

homeopathic formulas from Germany, LOTS of supplements, and yes,

Cholestyramine prescribed from Dr Shoemaker in land, etc etc):

1) Using a steam sauna connected to a medical-grade ozone generator

(connected to an oxygen tank); Ozone Therapy combined with

hyperthermia (steam sauna) is a powerful modality and you will start

seeing all the stored toxins being eradicated from your body

2) Using an ear adapter or modified stethoscope connected to the

medical grade ozone generator; this addresses the toxins in the head

cavity (if you suffered from brain fog, memory loss, eye infections,

hives, mild-grade fevers, allergies, etc like I have in the past--this

protocol will wipe out any residual toxins)

3) Doing liver flushes/cleanses - this will detox the liver to make

your it work more efficiently and help minimize the Herxheimer effects

from doing the Ozone Therapy protocols

--- In , " surellabaer " <surellabaer@...>

wrote:

I've heard alot about infra red saunas-anybody have any experience

with them. I can get them here (New York) in conjunction with a

colonic (which have always worked for me too). But I haven't tried the

sauna.

Thanks, Surella

[Guest guest]

Hanna, do you think the steam saunas at the Y would do me any good,

until I can try something more? I have a doctor who has a FIR sauna,

but only place I think of trying a steam sauna is at the Y. I need to

do something soon. Things going a haywire with my health right now.

--- In , " xhannahx24 " <xhannahx24@...>

wrote:

>

> yes, i've used FIR saunas daily (more or less) for a year. i would

> stay in for 70 minutes. my overall conclusion--they don't

> work...however if you were healthy all along, adding FIR saunas would

>

[Guest guest]

Does anyone have any proof that mycotoxins in the body come out

through sweat? I don't know if they do.

Its quite possible that they don't.

Many mycotoxins, including all of the common ones that get discussed

on here, are very powerful - and that also makes them hard to track,

because we are talking about microgram quantities (millions of a gram)

or less. Imagine a dot on the head of a pin.

Thats how powerful they are. Less than you can see. They are often

extremely powerful toxins and their low molecular weight means that

they can move around, between cells - like water..

That is the point of cholestyramine, to suck them up. These other

nostrums and nectars, etc. that you are mentioning probably don't.

Barring any evidence that says unequivocably that they do, a prudent

person should assume they *don't*.

*Why not devote that energy and money into getting treatments for mold

illness that have proven TO work, rather than diverting precious

energy into things that probably don't?*

I'm not saying that people don't benefit from things like saunas, hot

baths, sweat lodges, etc. they do, clearly. But the benefits that they

receive are quite probably due to other reasons and barring evidence

that those things remove MOLD toxins, the chances are that IF they had

mold illness to start, they will still have it afterward, except for

the effect of time.

Sorry to be harsh, I just think that for something like that, its not

enough to say " I want this to work " you have to show that it DOES

work.

Wishful thinking is dangerous in the medical context sometimes.

[Guest guest]

LiveSimply,

Have any links about the size of mycotoxins? I'm extremely interested

in this. I think (almost for sure) they can come out of your skin

pores through sweating.

[Guest guest]

The less toxic your body is the stronger you immune system and my

assumption would be from there, PERHAPS better able to toxic more

difficult toxins.

I do know Dr Rae starts out with sauna to get at the easiest toxins

to reach and then uses other detox methods to get to deeper organs.

I don't know what he uses for deeper toxins since I wasn't there very

long. Since some people have dramatic reactions to detoxing, this

may be gentler way to start process.

After talking to some people by direct email, seems Dr Marinkovich

might have used agar agar like this, mild detox action, to avoid

severe detox reactions, and then progress to CSM if they tolerate

that. Still don't know however 'how' he used it but sure he must

have preferred this soluable fiber to others since he advised against

grains as being a source of mold. Do you boil it and make it like

jello or does one just dissolve it in hot water and drink like that,

etc. Don't know that.

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> Does anyone have any proof that mycotoxins in the body come out

> through sweat? I don't know if they do.

>

[Guest guest]

nano size

>

> LiveSimply,

> Have any links about the size of mycotoxins? I'm extremely interested

> in this. I think (almost for sure) they can come out of your skin

> pores through sweating.

>

[Guest guest]

From what I understand, mycotoxins tend to be " low molecular weight "

substances. I WASN'T saying that they " DO NOT " come out in sweat, its

entirely possible that they sometimes do. Its also quite PROBABLE that

some do, some don't. There are thousands of them.

What I was saying was that I've read a LOT of papers on mycotoxins

being caught in enteroheaptic recirculation and that that route

required a bile acid sequestrant to remove them. Something LIKE

cholestyramine. I've also seen papers about other substances that were

used to try to bind mycotoxins in agriculture, and some worked to

varying degrees, but none were close to cholestyramine.

Given the importance of getting the toxins out so that the damage

stops getting worse, I think I would want to go with something that

was pretty sure to work.

Nobody is saying that saunas dont help detoxify people. What I was

saying is detoxify WHAT... This is really a question for a very few

people who know more about this subject. Not me.

But I do know that its dangerous to assume that one thing can

substitute for another out of wishful thinking. And its also very much

human nature.

[Guest guest]

anything to decrease your toxic load will help, especially if your

whole body can be saunaed (likely not a word but u know what i mean).

i wouldn't say one is better than the other--the FIR sauna is hot/warm

(it will feel like you're in the sun) and it may take a few sessions

before you work up to a good sweat. the steam sauna, well, it's just

steamy. both are very relaxing considering i've always enjoyed warm

temps. you just want to make sure the water used for the steam sauna

is filtered or distilled; would kinda be defeating the purpose of

releasing toxins only to be steaming yourself with tap water.

i would suggest trying both the FIR & steam sauna to see which

temperature u can handle. more than anything, u want to feel

comfortable doing the sessions...and be sure to drink lots of water

afterward & throughout the day.

i think u know by now i'm very much an advocate of Ozone Therapy,

where the set-up looks like this:

http://www.ozonelab.com/setups/steamsauna/index.htm

i have read countless testimonials ( & spoken with several people) who

experience the rashes & /or pustules from the therapy. those are all

toxins...and believe me, u'll realize how toxic your body is once all

the rashes/pustules start surfacing. i learned the hard way, but doing

a series of liver flushes/cleanses prior to starting ozone therapy

would help minimize the rashes (because your liver is primed to handle

the detox better). when i first started doing ear insufflations (with

a modified stethoscope connected to a medical-grade ozone generator)

several years ago, my goodness, i thought i was hemorrhaging because a

light-yellow liquid was continuously coming out of my ears...nothing

like seeing how much crud your body has stored, which in turn lets you

know why you feel like the way you do. :-( my experience is when you

take medications & /or supplements, you'll start to feel slightly

better and because u know what the medications/supplements are

supposed to do, you *reassure* yourself you're detoxing. when you do

ozone therapy, there will be no doubt you are detoxing!!! early on, i

didn't employ a steam sauna with my medical-grade ozone generator

(truthfully, one of my biggest regrets, because i would have been

better years ago....and a 30-45 minute sauna is a tremendous time

saver compared to the way i had done things which was typically a

few hours each day doing the various protocols--vaginal insufflation,

cupping, etc). in summary, rashes & pustules broke out EVERYWHERE on

my body (thighs, abs, forearms, neck, chest, upper arms, etc etc) and

that's when it hit me that mold exposure can indeed become systemic.

okay, so back to answer your question. try both the FIR & steam sauna

and see which one you prefer....or you can always alternate between

the two. also, be sure to stick to a regular schedule.

let us know how everything turns out! :-)

> >

> > yes, i've used FIR saunas daily (more or less) for a year. i would

> > stay in for 70 minutes. my overall conclusion--they don't

> > work...however if you were healthy all along, adding FIR saunas would

> >

>

[Guest guest]

llaci2003,

i agree, and here's my statement--toxins can come out through the skin

(which is the largest organ of the body). i have firsthand experience.

>

> LiveSimply,

> Have any links about the size of mycotoxins? I'm extremely interested

> in this. I think (almost for sure) they can come out of your skin

> pores through sweating.

>

[Guest guest]

A sauna is a whole body thing.

So is a sweat lodge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauna

Its an ancient custom shared by many cultures all over the world.. not

some brand name..

[Guest guest]

Probably the FIR sauna because come to think of it steam sauna as I

remember at Y smells a little sweaty, so probably not the cleansing

experience I would be looking for but thanks for the addtl description.

Someone said they didn't sweat and what would they do.

I asked that same question as I'm not a sweater either. I was told

that to start out, like so many things, gradually, lower temperature,

shorter time until you get some sweat and you can build up to

sweating. I talked to someone who said she didn't sweat easily and

said eventually she did.

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wrote:

>

> anything to decrease your toxic load will help, especially if your

> whole body can be