Re: Cholestyramine and the 'unmasking' of symptoms - widespread positive implications to public health and understanding of mold illness' sources

[Guest guest]

wow, something just accured to me this very second,lol's

what if mold only collinizes in immunocompermized patients. people

who have disfunction of the aquired immune system.

what if, mycotoxins cause immunosupression of the aquired immune

system while exposed but not the innate immune system.

and what if in the medical world, what is known as a fungal infection

is really the combination of (fungal)mold and mycotoxins, and

infection and inflamation caused by irritants, toxins and innate

immune system while exposed, and from the aquired immune system

reaction when you get out at whatever point it becomes unsuppressed.

I mean gee, I sure have spent a lot of time researching fungal

infections through anatomy of every single part of the body and sure

do find it strange that it all leads to the same thing. just listed

sepertly under many different names depending on the organ instead of

listed as in our case with multiple organs affected as

mycotoxicosis,mold illness,biotoxin illness,te/mcs, with some of

these on the severe side no dought made worse because of other toxins

in a DMB. .what if this so called unmasking time after exposure is

the time it takes for your aquired immune system to start reacting

again, come out of it's supressed state after being suppressed so

long? what if even though the medical community doesn't want to

aknowledge toxic mold they have been trying to deal with it for as

long as it's been around which is forever but they didn't reconize

what fungal infections were back than and they were giveing

antifungals thinking we were collinized when we weren't, (kind of

like given us antibiotics when we didn't need them).why do I keep

reading about antifungal resistance as well as antibiotic resistance.

why is it that doctors dont even want to reconize fungal infections

now? so what if you could basicly research everything that has

happened to you under the term " fungal " and/or " fungal infections "

but knew damn well you had mycotoxin exposure. if mycotoxin supress

the aquired immune system than wouldn't only the innate immune system

suffer damage during exposure? isn't HLA part of the aquired immune

system? isn't that what mycotoxins suppress? the aquired immune

system? so isn't that why the HLA only comes into play after exposure

with detoxing? and isn't it true that all mold is toxic and

pathogenic because the term " fungal " means mold and mycotoxins

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

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> Okay, I am thinking out loud here and this may not be so well

articulated..

>

> BUT, one of the benefits that I have noticed from cholestyramine is

> what people sometimes call unmasking and I think

> THAT is the reason why the use of it seems so POLITICALLY

threatening to

> some. That unmasking also means that people start figuring out where

> their exposures are coming from..

>

> I have seen this change happen again in reverse when I got re-

exposed

> for various reasons..

>

> Also, the duration of the effect mold exposures has on people is

> shortened.. What might have made someone really sick for a week or

> two, still makes them really sick, (maybe sicker, sometimes its more

> dramatic/quicker onset) but in the final analysis, the duration is

> MUCH shorter. SO THEY RECOGNIZE THE SOURCE WHEN BEFORE THEY ALL

WOULD

> BE BLENDED TOGETHER.

>

> Why does this apply to the fear of cholestyramine in the naysayer

> community? Because they know that once a lot of people who have

these

> issues start taking cholestyramine, and reducing these toxins in

their

> body - a lot of people will start realizing not only that they have

> been there sometiimes for years, but also many will figure out where

> their exposures are coming from much more quickly.. their 'masking'

> will be turned off and they will get faster or in some cases almost

> immediate responses to new exposures..

>

> For example, someone who gets exposure at work will figure that

out..

> and they might start telling other people, who start figuring it

> out..too..

>

> See what I am getting at?

>

> This terrifies them... They don't have a PR remedy for it.

>

> No amount of money spent on 'reputation management' or doubt-

spreading

> will remove the understanding of this from people who have

experienced

> it for themselves.

>

[Guest guest]

What do you all think about my premise, that people discovering that

cholestyramine helps

address mold symptoms might scare some, even though it would reduce a

huge public health problem,

because it helps people recognize where their exposures are coming

from much quicker?

Everyone, has the reduction in background inflammation helped you see

what was making you ill and when, too?

One has to wonder, how could anyone be so cruel as to wish continued

sickness on SO many people?

But back to the question..

Do people think that once you started taking cholestyramine and

noticed that yourinflammation had gone

down substantially, didn't you also notice that when you got exposures

that you could much more easily tell where they were coming from in

your lives?

Jeanine, I am sorry, but I just could not follow what you wrote. Too

complicated for my little bird brain...

[Guest guest]

This is very interesting. Something to think about.

Sharon

> >

> > Okay, I am thinking out loud here and this may not be so well

> articulated..

> >

> > BUT, one of the benefits that I have noticed from cholestyramine

is

> > what people sometimes call unmasking and I think

> > THAT is the reason why the use of it seems so POLITICALLY

> threatening to

> > some. That unmasking also means that people start figuring out

where

> > their exposures are coming from..

> >

> > I have seen this change happen again in reverse when I got re-

> exposed

> > for various reasons..

> >

> > Also, the duration of the effect mold exposures has on people is

> > shortened.. What might have made someone really sick for a week or

> > two, still makes them really sick, (maybe sicker, sometimes its

more

> > dramatic/quicker onset) but in the final analysis, the duration is

> > MUCH shorter. SO THEY RECOGNIZE THE SOURCE WHEN BEFORE THEY ALL

> WOULD

> > BE BLENDED TOGETHER.

> >

> > Why does this apply to the fear of cholestyramine in the naysayer

> > community? Because they know that once a lot of people who have

> these

> > issues start taking cholestyramine, and reducing these toxins in

> their

> > body - a lot of people will start realizing not only that they

have

> > been there sometiimes for years, but also many will figure out

where

> > their exposures are coming from much more quickly..

their 'masking'

> > will be turned off and they will get faster or in some cases

almost

> > immediate responses to new exposures..

> >

> > For example, someone who gets exposure at work will figure that

> out..

> > and they might start telling other people, who start figuring it

> > out..too..

> >

> > See what I am getting at?

> >

> > This terrifies them... They don't have a PR remedy for it.

> >

> > No amount of money spent on 'reputation management' or doubt-

> spreading

> > will remove the understanding of this from people who have

> experienced

> > it for themselves.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

well Live, I actually wrote rgar a while back but never posted it. ih

well, some may get it, some not. anyway, it sound like csm can do for

people what advoidance does if their not practiceing advoidence and

even help more if they are.

[Guest guest]

If they don't get out of the mold then they won't ever get their

inflammation down to the point where they even start unmasking.

The differences between really really really sick and simply really

really sick are not very noticable..

If someone is living or working in moldy place then you are getting

daily exposure and you keep getting worse. Even if you don't live in

mold, once you get to a certain level of illness, you are effected by

each exposure.. I think its cumulative..

Like the World Health Organization paper Sharon posted earlier says...

" The severity of mycotoxicosis was related

to the duration of consumption of toxic grain. Such

severe trichothecene mycotoxicoses, the consequence

of continuous ingestion of toxins, have not been

recorded since this outbreak.

In several cases, trichothecene mycotoxicosis

was caused by a single ingestion of bread containing

toxic flour (95) or rice (92, 97).

In experimental animals, trichothecenes are 40

times more toxic when inhaled than when given orally

(98). Trichothecenes were found in air samples

collected during the drying and milling process on

farms (99), in the ventilation systems of private houses

(100) and office buildings (98), and on the walls of

houses with high humidity (100, 101) (Table 6). There

are some reports showing trichothecene involvement

in the development of ``sick building syndrome'' (98,

100). The symptoms of airborne toxicosis disappeared

when the buildings and ventilation systems were

thoroughly cleaned (100).

There are some reports that indicate that

trichothecenes may have been used as chemical

warfare agents in South-East Asia (Lao People's

Democratic Republic and Cambodia) (102, 103). "

Cholestyramine helps but its only able to bind mycotoxins AFTER they

have been in your body quite a while and then the cholestyramine can

only get what it can, its like a HEPA filter where it takes out a

chunk, but a chunk also gets through.

Graphics would explain this better than I can right now..

On Jan 21, 2008 7:54 PM, who <jeaninem660@...> wrote:

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> well Live, I actually wrote rgar a while back but never posted it. ih

> well, some may get it, some not. anyway, it sound like csm can do for

> people what advoidance does if their not practiceing advoidence and

> even help more if they are.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sharon, obviously a little more complacated when it comes to

the immune system but I have wondered if they could compare peoples

immune systems who have AIDS who have major problems with mold

collinazation , with cases where some people who they say are

immunocompatent that have mold collinazation and compare them both

with the immune system of some people exposed in moldy buildings, if

they might be able to find answers for all of us. seems the answers

are in the immune system. there is also some info. that mught point

to the omentum playing a part in supressing the aquired immune system

thats pretty interesting that I posted not long ago.

>

> This is very interesting. Something to think about.

>

> Sharon

>

[Guest guest]

Live, you dont have to explaun to me. I wasn't talking about

advoidance as in just getting out of a moldy home on workplace, I was

talking about that vs. advoidance of all toxins.

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> > well Live, I actually wrote rgar a while back but never posted

it. ih

> > well, some may get it, some not. anyway, it sound like csm can

do for

> > people what advoidance does if their not practiceing advoidence

and

> > even help more if they are.

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[Guest guest]

that is ofcorse if your really,really,really sick and not just really

sick. thought I better correct that before someone else did.

and if your really,really,really,sick you might have too take csm the

rest of your life and/or mix with alternitives plus stay out of

stores as much as possable anyway, and all that jaz. have a good

night Live and please mellow out on people, newies and oldies.

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> > > well Live, I actually wrote rgar a while back but never posted

> it. ih

> > > well, some may get it, some not. anyway, it sound like csm can

> do for

> > > people what advoidance does if their not practiceing

advoidence

> and

> > > even help more if they are.

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[Guest guest]

You know that paper I posted a few days ago on the immunotoxic

cyclosporin component of stachybotrys?

It's just one of many free papers at the Journal of Anti-Biotics site.

Its incredible how many of them are for immunotoxic

and immunosuppressive compounds. And most of them are derived from

fungi. Common fungi. Its not like with plants where the plants they

derive drugs from are from some jungle far away. Fungi are all over

the place and strains that grow these toxic and often extremely

biologically active componds are often found in situations that are

not so unusual. LSD is a good example. The Swiss chemist Albert

Hoffman was looking for a possible drug for headaches or something

like that, and he discovered it by accident from a fungus that grew on

ergot. It ended up making him sick. (perhaps some of it splashed on to

his finger or he inhaled it, it was so strong it was an invisibly

small amount) We all know the rest of the story. And of course, now we

know that aspergillus/penicillium also make these LSD-like ergot

mycotoxins.

Mycotoxins are incredibly powerful.

Check this URL out, you will see the number of compounds that

literally attack living cells produced by fungi is huge. This is the

URL.

http://www.journalarchive.jst.go.jp/english/jnltop_en.php?cdjournal=antibiotics1\

968

The free access seems to be everything ten years old and older..so its

a representative sample.

[Guest guest]

Where can mold colonize in body Jeanine? In sinuses, lung, any place

else? Thanks

>

> Thanks Sharon, obviously a little more complacated when it comes to

> the immune system but I have wondered if they could compare peoples

> immune systems who have AIDS who have major problems with mold

> collinazation , with cases where some people who they say are

> immunocompatent that have mold collinazation

[Guest guest]

Barb,just about anywhere depending mostly on immune system and organs

involved.and fungi type

mycosis(fungal infections

http://www.samaritanpharma.com/amphocil/fungal_infections.asp

http://www.kcom.edu/faculty/chamberlain/Website/Lects/Fungi.htm#classif

mycotic infections

http://www.cehs.siu.edu/fix/medmicro/mycotic.htm

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> > Thanks Sharon, obviously a little more complacated when it comes to

> > the immune system but I have wondered if they could compare peoples

> > immune systems who have AIDS who have major problems with mold

> > collinazation , with cases where some people who they say are

> > immunocompatent that have mold collinazation

>