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In a message dated 5/21/2003 6:25:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,

rwinters@... writes:

> He said, " How many DO you have? " and I quipped, " Six. All

> boys. " Everyone in the room laughed. You're actually living

> that!!! LOL!

>

I have a friend who has adopted many. She was 12 sons right now. The number

keeps on increasing and 9 of them are special needs. Pam :)

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In a message dated 5/25/03 7:00:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ppanda65@...

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> I have a friend who has adopted many. She was 12 sons right now. The

> number

> keeps on increasing and 9 of them are special needs. Pam :)

>

>

I never can understand people who do this. I have to deal with four IEPs

(one is simple) and it's all I can do to drag myself through it. I couldn't

imagine multiplying this. You'd have to be someone who can deal with the

bureaucracy well.

Roxanna

ò¿ò

It makes sense to go up the molehill

dressed for the mountain

Nan, the Wiser

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In a message dated 5/25/2003 1:03:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kneeleee@... writes:

> I never can understand people who do this. I have to deal with four IEPs

> (one is simple) and it's all I can do to drag myself through it. I couldn't

>

> imagine multiplying this. You'd have to be someone who can deal with the

> bureaucracy well.

>

She has a very supportive husband...all of the boys are at the middle school

or high school level now. I know that one is in a residential placement. She

seems very calm and caring. She keeps very good records and as far as I know

has a fairly good relationship with administration. I know I couldn't do it,

LOL. Pam :)

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In a message dated 5/25/03 2:35:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ppanda65@...

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> She has a very supportive husband...all of the boys are at the middle

> school

> or high school level now. I know that one is in a residential placement.

> She

> seems very calm and caring. She keeps very good records and as far as I

> know

> has a fairly good relationship with administration. I know I couldn't do

> it,

> LOL. Pam :)

>

Bless her! I couldn't do it either!

Roxanna ôô

What doesn't kill us

Makes us really mean.

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The Business Week article I cited is available on-line and is free:

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_04/b4

0680520

92994.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_best+of+bw

or, better, at: http://tinyurl.com/35qujx

Sharon, thanks for the Web site and list of articles. Looks

like I'll be burning the late night candles.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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> Doug, Carl and everyone,

>

> Here is a website that comes that has many good articles on

> corruption in the medical field.

>

> Here's a few article titles and the board of directors. It's a good

> site.

>

> Board of Directors

>

> Cohen, Ph.D.

> Effrem, M.D.

> Stefan Kruszewski M.D.

> Meryl Nass, M.D.

> Herbert Needleman, M.D.

> H. Noble, Jr., Ph.D.

> Sally Rogow, Ed.D.

> Vera Hassner Sharav, M.L.S.

>

> Non-profit Fronts for Drug Industry_Boston Globe

>

> Medical Prostitution: Doctors On the Take--Minnesora an example, NYT

>

> The Damaging Impact of PDUFA and Why It Should be Repealed

>

> The Secret Eli Lilly Zyprexa Documents--A Case For CivilDisobedience

> US Organ Harvesting in " Not Yet Dead " patients

>

> " Do Antidepressants Cure or Create Abnormal Brain States? "

>

> Yale-Lilly Experiment: Adolescents Rx Toxic Drug for Presumed Mental

> Illness They Do Not Have

>

> Despite Undisclosed Deaths, 10 Heart Attacks FDA Allows Blood

> Substitute Experiment With No Conset

>

> FDA warns diet drugs contain Prozac and Librium

> Sec Defense Rumsfeld Tamiflu Holdings

>

>

> >

> > Doug and group,

> >

> > Doug, thanks for another enlightening post! May I suggest

> > another source of information of how scientific information is

> > intentionally misused.

> >

> > Get the January 28 issue of Business Week. The cover story is

> > on cholestorel drugs but it also covers others. But the main focus

> > is on how pharmceutical information is with held and twisted.

> >

> > One measure that is ignored, or used only when convenient, is

> > the Number Needed to Treat (NNT). Briefly, if it takes treatment

> > of 100 people to get one success, the NNT is 100. If treatment of

> > 100 people gets 100 successes then the NNT is 1.  An NNT of 50

> > is a coin flip. So the lower the NNT the greater the number of

> > people who are helped. Anything near 50 and over is a waste.

> >

> > According to the magazine story, drug companies don't state the

> > NNT, for good reason, because the NNT for most statins is 100.

> > But they will claim a lack of effectivenes for nutritional

> products.

> > Their current argument for the continued use of statins is for

> > prevention by long term use, which seems to be more than ironic.

> >

> > Another point was brought home at a recent integrative health

> > conference I attended. The claim there was drug companies

> > often report and warn against side effects of nutritional

> > supplements, even if very small, but ignore worse numbers for

> > their own drugs. It was also reported they have taken the high

> > number of side effects of their own drugs and combine it with the

> > smaller number with herbs then report the total. Thus giving the

> > impression herbs are bad and herbs combined with their drug is

> > the worst when it is really their drugs alone.

> >

> > We must be on guard against similar shenanigans with ANY

> > claim, especially in the mold mess. What isn't being said? Has

> > there been information gathering and insepction before a

> > treatment or scope of work is developed? Was it independent of

> > those who will do the work?

> >

> > Carl Grimes

> > Healthy Habitats LLC

> >

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