Re: Mystery Diagnosis

January 22, 2008

Thanks for the notice. I missed it but according to

DiscoveryHealth Web site at http://health.discovery.com/tv-

schedules/series.html?paid=62.15335.122489.29206.2

it will be shown again on Jan 26.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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> Hi All,

>

> Mystery Diagnosis had a women on who almost died from mold exposure in

> her home. She was having so much trouble breathing she decided to

> sleep downstairs on the couch which was up against the wall that had

> mold on it. Apparently the neighbors (town home type house) had a

> water leak from their shower. They fixed the leak but didn't clean up

> the water damage. She was in the hospital for a long time and they did

> a biopsy and found three different types of mold in her lungs. The

> doctor told her if she goes back into the house she might die. He told

> her and her family to leave everything and get out which is what she

> did. Her husband and three small children didn't get sick.

>

> I don't think this show would put on a case where insurance companies

> were involved or builders or property managers. They are too powerful

> in my opinion to allow this to happen. Never the less I was glad to

> see the show on TV as this is a very popular show. It was obvious the

> women had not totally recovered like many of us.

>

> Did anyone see it?

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

January 23, 2008

Sorry I missed that one. With the writer's strike may be they will air it

again and again!

Hi All,

Mystery Diagnosis had a women on who almost died from mold exposure in

her home. She was having so much trouble breathing she decided to

sleep downstairs on the couch which was up against the wall that had

mold on it. Apparently the neighbors (town home type house) had a

water leak from their shower. They fixed the leak but didn't clean up

the water damage. She was in the hospital for a long time and they did

a biopsy and found three different types of mold in her lungs. The

doctor told her if she goes back into the house she might die. He told

her and her family to leave everything and get out which is what she

did. Her husband and three small children didn't get sick.

I don't think this show would put on a case where insurance companies

were involved or builders or property managers. They are too powerful

in my opinion to allow this to happen. Never the less I was glad to

see the show on TV as this is a very popular show. It was obvious the

women had not totally recovered like many of us.

Did anyone see it?

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January 23, 2008

When people live in these buildings that share walls, who 'owns' the

wall? Who is responsible for its upkeep?

Thats sort of a dangerous situation! Even in cities where buildings

are very closely spaced, since Roman times (the Roman fire of Nero's

time, to be specific) buildings were required to have a tiny " air gap "

between them (only a few inches, but there, nonetheless) Now they are

building these apartment buildings and trying to call them " homes " but

the building practices have not kept up.

Thats a serious problem! IMO, a the very least, they need a fire wall

- a continuous, waterproof/fireproof barrier built to last centuries,

between each of them.

January 23, 2008

Sharon shha2002:

I watched it with extreme interest. One of the confounding factors is that

doctors totally dismissed Ms. Handel's exposure to the fire cleanup of her

sister's home a few weeks prior to her symptoms within her own residence. What I

have discovered with people I have worked with over the years is that at

sometime earlier in their life they had been exposed to a high levels or

sustained levels of various pathogenic (i.e., disease influencing) molds and

bacteria species and during their younger years were able to overcome their

physical impacts from such exposures due to the biological development going on

within their body. However, later in life when exposed again to a high level or

sustained level of similar pathogenic molds and bacteria species, because of

aging factors (i.e., genetic weakening, immunity decline, slower metabolic

activity, acidity, etc.) they are highly susceptible to the disease process (or,

decomposing activity) that molds and bacteria transact naturally. Therefore, I

believe the downplaying of the fire clean up was an error.

Also, medical doctors continue to cling to the prospect that live mold cells are

merely allergens and therefore treat them as basic respiratory irritants that

are factored into the disease process seemingly in addition to other factors.

These same symptoms described in the Mystery Diagnosis program and their

harshness and rapid progression, are what Medical Mycology doctors of the M.D.

Cancer Center during a symposium held in I believe 2000, informed

attending medical doctors " must be treated aggressively before a diagnosis is

offered. " This program represents a perfect example why every member of

Congress and the U.S. Senate should be forced to watch it. It proves beyond a

shadow of a doubt that doctors of general medicine have extremely insufficient

medical training to deal with a medical condition that a 1st year medical

student could have determined (with proper training in Medical Mycology).

Fungal-related Hypersensitivity Pneumonitis even in " immunocompetent " (i.e.,

immune healthy patients) is not as " rare " as medical doctors across the Country

have been expounding for years. The ONLY reason fungal diseases are not

recognized as " disease-causing " factors is that the U.S. Department of HHS/CDC

have not required medical disease doctor/hospital reporting or medical school

training as they do with certain bacterial and fungal infections. It is quite

ironic that at the turn of the 20th century, such training was required and it

was thought then that all cancers were microbial or viral related. The

advancement of of pure American economics and political posturing took care of

that philosophy. It is also very ironic that ALL medicines used in chemotherapy

are ANTIFUNGAL BASED (I.E., FUNGICIDAL BASED) and not bacterial or viral based,

including radiation treatment regiments.

This program is one that everyone should be forced to watch because it finally

demonstrates extremely clearly that serious disease " CAUSING " substantiated

pathogenic molds can and do cause life-threatening health problems. I am not so

sure that this story is officially closed either, I would strongly suspect that

this woman's child and husband also are carrying high IgG and IgA antibody

levels within their systems that as they age are going to have unhealthy

ramifications. The program did not elaborate on whether or not they were tested,

it simply stated that they did not seem to be affected. This program also

demonstrated clearly that pathogenic molds do not have to be observable to be

dangerous as the Stachybotrys, Aspergillus and Cladosporium reported were behind

the living room wall where pipes were leaking obviously for quite some time.

And, since this was the case, why did Ms. Handel suddenly start having major

symptoms AFTER her return from her sister's burnt out home, and not before?

Outstanding program- great work- very useful evidence tool.

God Bless and take care.

Doug Haney

@...: shha2002@...: Wed, 23 Jan 2008

03:16:37 +0000Subject: [] Mystery Diagnosis

Hi All,Mystery Diagnosis had a women on who almost died from mold exposure in

her home. She was having so much trouble breathing she decided to sleep

downstairs on the couch which was up against the wall that had mold on it.

Apparently the neighbors (town home type house) had a water leak from their

shower. They fixed the leak but didn't clean up the water damage. She was in the

hospital for a long time and they did a biopsy and found three different types

of mold in her lungs. The doctor told her if she goes back into the house she

might die. He told her and her family to leave everything and get out which is

what she did. Her husband and three small children didn't get sick.I don't think

this show would put on a case where insurance companies were involved or

builders or property managers. They are too powerful in my opinion to allow this

to happen. Never the less I was glad to see the show on TV as this is a very

popular show. It was obvious the women had not totally recovered like many of

us. Did anyone see it?

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January 23, 2008

Doug and group,

Doug, thanks for another enlightening post! May I suggest

another source of information of how scientific information is

intentionally misused.

Get the January 28 issue of Business Week. The cover story is

on cholestorel drugs but it also covers others. But the main focus

is on how pharmceutical information is with held and twisted.

One measure that is ignored, or used only when convenient, is

the Number Needed to Treat (NNT). Briefly, if it takes treatment

of 100 people to get one success, the NNT is 100. If treatment of

100 people gets 100 successes then the NNT is 1. An NNT of 50

is a coin flip. So the lower the NNT the greater the number of

people who are helped. Anything near 50 and over is a waste.

According to the magazine story, drug companies don't state the

NNT, for good reason, because the NNT for most statins is 100.

But they will claim a lack of effectivenes for nutritional products.

Their current argument for the continued use of statins is for

prevention by long term use, which seems to be more than ironic.

Another point was brought home at a recent integrative health

conference I attended. The claim there was drug companies

often report and warn against side effects of nutritional

supplements, even if very small, but ignore worse numbers for

their own drugs. It was also reported they have taken the high

number of side effects of their own drugs and combine it with the

smaller number with herbs then report the total. Thus giving the

impression herbs are bad and herbs combined with their drug is

the worst when it is really their drugs alone.

We must be on guard against similar shenanigans with ANY

claim, especially in the mold mess. What isn't being said? Has

there been information gathering and insepction before a

treatment or scope of work is developed? Was it independent of

those who will do the work?

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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> Sharon shha2002:

>

> I watched it with extreme interest. One of the confounding factors is that