Re: The Work can save you time and money...

[Guest guest]

> " I need to save time and money. " Is that true?

Sometimes I have this thought too:

Doing " x " is a waste of time!

that is a very stressful thought, I can say that much.

sleeping is a waste of time!

is that true?

yes, cause while I sleep I do nothing

Can I absolutely know that sleeping is a waste of time?

well, what is a waste of time anyway?

I define a waste of time, when I want to get somewhere

and certain activity doesn't help me get any process

and can I know that my goal is better for my higher good than what I

already have?

Can I know that sleeping wouldn't get me there?

it seem to me that the work can be an excuse for justifying what is

instead of trying to change things

again the pedophile case

he can do the work and get to see that raping children is what is

and maybe it is for the best interest of the child

I do the work on my sleeping habit

and get to see that it is what it is and maybe it is good for me in

the long run

Who is qualified to determined if what is something we should change

(rapping children)

or something that we should love (sleeping)

and don't tell me common sense

cause we all have deferent religions, that usually argue with what is

T

[Guest guest]

Tami,

You said

" it seem to me that the work can be an excuse for justifying what is

instead of trying to change things "

Thank you - you helped me to see that " what is " doesn't need to be

justified - it just is :-) And it is always changing.

My own experience is that using The Work to justify certain behaviours

or reactions does not create peace for me - I have to come back to it.

That is not The Work (the questions and turnaround) doing it, it's how

I am trying to use it. And the good news is it doesn't seem to work

very well when I come to it with a motive to justify my behaviour.

Maybe there are some beliefs to look at around this, like:

Some people use The Work to justify their behaviour

People shouldn't use The Work to justify their behaviour

With love,

Jon

[Guest guest]

Dear Jon

you wrote:

1.

> Thank you - you helped me to see that " what is " doesn't need to be

> justified - it just is :-)

2.

> And the good news is it doesn't seem to work

> very well when I come to it with a motive to justify my behaviour.

I dont get when it is case 1

and when it is case 2

Am I understood?

T

[Guest guest]

Hi Tami,

I was talking about different things - I guess what I keep coming back

to with my own Work is looking at what causes me stress, not whether

it is objectively good or bad when someone else applies The Work.

So, for example, for many years I used to think that people were

running away from their problems - and this may well be true, but I

also thought they shouldn't.

When I did The Work on this I realized I was running away from my

problems / stuff. Whether other people are or not no longer really

matters - that's their business.

For me the concern you describe is a similar situation - being in

other people's business about how / what they might use The Work - or

maybe it's a fear of what you will do if you do The Work?

Anyway, I can only put my perspective on this, I obviously can't say

whether this is true or not for you - this is one of the things that I

most like about The Work.

I hope this helps,

With love,

Jon

[Guest guest]

> Something a little light-hearted for the beginning of the year.

> It's not focussed on that much but The Work is something that can

save

> you a lot of time and money. Person 1 believes the thought: " My

mother

> didn't love me " and spends 10 years in therapy working through it

and

> all of its implications. Person 2 is lucky enough to come across The

> Work and takes the thought to enquiry instead. Person 1 spends many

> hours and a lot of money. Person 2, in the best case, spends one

hour

> of time and no money (or the cost of one therapy session). And then:

> " I need to save time and money. " Is that true?

> Regards

> N

hi gary,

if you ask me, then the work is the best thing in the world.

but i could not have understand it if it would have cross my path a

month earlier.

im one of those who have 'spent' time and money on many many things

till i'v found this free work stuff

and most people i talk to about the work arn't impressed, only few..

the few who are ready.

and hey.. maybe one day we'll think that even the work was only

another stop, only to discover the next thing..

im open.

[Guest guest]

Dear Jon

But I was talking about what I do

not what others do

I sleep a lot

and lets say that I am a pedophile

I stay in my own business and I can get to the conclution

after doing the work that

I should sleep

and

I should rape children

am I right?

T

> Hi Tami,

>

> I was talking about different things - I guess what I keep coming

back

> to with my own Work is looking at what causes me stress, not whether

> it is objectively good or bad when someone else applies The Work.

>

> So, for example, for many years I used to think that people were

> running away from their problems - and this may well be true, but I

> also thought they shouldn't.

>

> When I did The Work on this I realized I was running away from my

> problems / stuff. Whether other people are or not no longer really

> matters - that's their business.

>

> For me the concern you describe is a similar situation - being in

> other people's business about how / what they might use The Work -

or

> maybe it's a fear of what you will do if you do The Work?

>

> Anyway, I can only put my perspective on this, I obviously can't say

> whether this is true or not for you - this is one of the things

that I

> most like about The Work.

>

> I hope this helps,

>

> With love,

>

> Jon

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tami - this is one of the issues with discussing fictional examples

- I am assuming you are not a pedophile, so it's not what you are

doing (and maybe you are - how do I know?).

Also, we are discussing using the Work as if we know what the outcome

is of inquiring into a stressful thought - in this example, if someone

inquires into the thought that they shouldn't rape children, that they

will then think they should rape children.

This is only one of the turnarounds and it ignores what people

discover through the 4 questions and other turnarounds - and who knows

where someone goes with that.

However it is one of the turnarounds and it is some people's reality -

they do rape children - so from where I am it is less

stressful/violent to accept what they do rather than believe they

shouldn't do it.

Does this mean they'll carry on doing this? I don't know, but I'm

guessing that, like me, most people have more than one stressful

thought and as stressful thoughts are addressed using the Work,

behaviour changes.

Lastly, my own experience is that the Work is not linear, although my

mind often fears that - I often resist doing the Work on something

because I think I already know what I will then do or not do.

However, it often leads to some very different places and insights

than I thought it would before I did The Work.

With love,

Jon

[Guest guest]

Tami,

The only difference between breast feeding and molestation is a story.

In the story, one is OK and even encouraged while the other is a

crime. Lets say a person leaves The School for The Work and molests a

child, can you know that The Work caused the molester to molest? Can

you know it wouldn't have happened anyway? Can you know if that child

would have been better off in the long run if it weren't for the

molestation? Who would you be without the thought that The Work can

encourage a child molester or murderer? What do you get for holding

the belief that The Work can cause people to do bad things?

[/soap box]

Bliss...

[Guest guest]

I find it true that when I do the work on my own stressful thoughts,

I become clearer, and my behaviour feels much kinder to me when I am

clear rather than confused. The clearer I am, the less I believe

that I need something from anyone else, particularily if they do not

give it willingly. Therefore, it becomes less likely to harm

another. A clear mind is a kind human being. The work only works

when we are seeking what is true for us. I have come to trust the

process of inquiry, so for me the story of a pedeophile doing the

work would lead to a kinder, clearer human being, one who would no

longer believe the story that being sexual with childen was kind or

something that they needed to act out. And I can't really know that.

I'm left with my own experience and where that takes me.

>

> Hi Tami - this is one of the issues with discussing fictional

examples

> - I am assuming you are not a pedophile, so it's not what you are

> doing (and maybe you are - how do I know?).

>

> Also, we are discussing using the Work as if we know what the

outcome

> is of inquiring into a stressful thought - in this example, if

someone

> inquires into the thought that they shouldn't rape children, that

they

> will then think they should rape children.

>

> This is only one of the turnarounds and it ignores what people

> discover through the 4 questions and other turnarounds - and who

knows

> where someone goes with that.

>

> However it is one of the turnarounds and it is some people's

reality -

> they do rape children - so from where I am it is less

> stressful/violent to accept what they do rather than believe they

> shouldn't do it.

>

> Does this mean they'll carry on doing this? I don't know, but I'm

> guessing that, like me, most people have more than one stressful

> thought and as stressful thoughts are addressed using the Work,

> behaviour changes.

>

> Lastly, my own experience is that the Work is not linear, although

my

> mind often fears that - I often resist doing the Work on something

> because I think I already know what I will then do or not do.

> However, it often leads to some very different places and insights

> than I thought it would before I did The Work.

>

> With love,

>

> Jon

>

[Guest guest]

And who do you think is Person 1 and Person 2? Answer - both of them

are me! Well I am sure you all guessed that.

>

>

> > Something a little light-hearted for the beginning of the year.

> > It's not focussed on that much but The Work is something that

can

> save

> > you a lot of time and money. Person 1 believes the thought: " My

> mother

> > didn't love me " and spends 10 years in therapy working through

it

> and

> > all of its implications. Person 2 is lucky enough to come across

The

> > Work and takes the thought to enquiry instead. Person 1 spends

many

> > hours and a lot of money. Person 2, in the best case, spends one

> hour

> > of time and no money (or the cost of one therapy session). And

then:

> > " I need to save time and money. " Is that true?

> > Regards

> > N

>

>

> hi gary,

> if you ask me, then the work is the best thing in the world.

> but i could not have understand it if it would have cross my path

a

> month earlier.

> im one of those who have 'spent' time and money on many many

things

> till i'v found this free work stuff

> and most people i talk to about the work arn't impressed, only

few..

> the few who are ready.

> and hey.. maybe one day we'll think that even the work was only

> another stop, only to discover the next thing..

> im open.

>

[Guest guest]

gary i didnt guess that.. it was you.. but glad to hear you found

this path.. i think you have already had your own rope/snake

experience.. im glad..

love, roslyn

> >

> >

> > > Something a little light-hearted for the beginning of the year.

> > > It's not focussed on that much but The Work is something that

> can

> > save

> > > you a lot of time and money. Person 1 believes the thought: " My

> > mother

> > > didn't love me " and spends 10 years in therapy working through

> it

> > and

> > > all of its implications. Person 2 is lucky enough to come across

> The

> > > Work and takes the thought to enquiry instead. Person 1 spends

> many

> > > hours and a lot of money. Person 2, in the best case, spends one

> > hour

> > > of time and no money (or the cost of one therapy session). And

> then:

> > > " I need to save time and money. " Is that true?

> > > Regards

> > > N

> >

> >

> > hi gary,

> > if you ask me, then the work is the best thing in the world.

> > but i could not have understand it if it would have cross my path

> a

> > month earlier.

> > im one of those who have 'spent' time and money on many many

> things

> > till i'v found this free work stuff

> > and most people i talk to about the work arn't impressed, only

> few..

> > the few who are ready.

> > and hey.. maybe one day we'll think that even the work was only

> > another stop, only to discover the next thing..

> > im open.

> >

>