Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 So are you saying that it was unusual for them to have done this or are you saying that people who don't have their beliefs couldn't get the healing? Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: Crystal <sweetnwright@...> Subject: RE: I'm so Angry hypothyroidism Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 8:38 PM I know 2 people who no longer have Hashimoto's because they changed the way they think. Both are Christians. I believe that our thyroids can " wake up " : ) CW -- I'm so Angry I guess I must be really thick, because I just discovered that low thyroid can cause high cholesterol. All these years not one doctor has mentioned this to me. I'm really furious because they have all tried to get me to take statins, but never once suggested working with me to really raise my thyroid level. Instead their stupid TSH test has falsely shown my thyroid to be elevated, even though I kept complaining of low thyroid symptoms. I just took new thyroid tests yesterday, as well as cholesterol tests too. Now maybe I will be able to get to the bottom of this mess. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: Crystal <sweetnwright@...> Subject: RE: I'm so Angry hypothyroidism Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 8:38 PM I know 2 people who no longer have Hashimoto's because they changed the way they think. Both are Christians. I believe that our thyroids can " wake up " : ) CW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Means Jehovah. hypothyroidism From: deifspirit@... Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:14:06 -0700 Subject: RE: I'm so Angry What does YHWH mean? -- I'm so Angry I guess I must be really thick, because I just discovered that low thyroid can cause high cholesterol. All these years not one doctor has mentioned this to me. I'm really furious because they have all tried to get me to take statins, but never once suggested working with me to really raise my thyroid level. Instead their stupid TSH test has falsely shown my thyroid to be elevated, even though I kept complaining of low thyroid symptoms. I just took new thyroid tests yesterday, as well as cholesterol tests too. Now maybe I will be able to get to the bottom of this mess. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 That is really cool! i would like to know more about that Nancie. Can acupuncture cure hypothyroidism is my question? Have you been going to her for hypothyroidism? hypothyroidism From: deifspirit@... Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:49:10 -0700 Subject: Re: I'm so Angry actually acupuncture can cure many diseases as any good educated acupuncturist and either Chinese or Japanese practitioner will tell you. I have a Chinese Medical Provider who is also my dentist and she has degrees in both Chinese medicine and dentistry. She uses acupuncture and/or herbs exclusively with many of her medical clients including several with cancer. she has cured people of diseases and conditions using acupuncture. Nancie From: Debrah Galloway Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:46 PM Hypothyroidism Subject: RE: I'm so Angry It seems to me that if it clears blocked energies causing the body to access its own power that that would be the key. Isn't that what the thyroid really needs..access to power or to the body's own power, so that it can function properly. And yes that may be what thousands of reputable practitioners say here in America, while there are reputable practitioners in China that would say otherwise. Sometimes i feel that we are a little close minded here and think that all we need is a pill to solve all our problems. I " m not saying you do or anyone on this program does. I " m just saying that about many here in America in general. hypothyroidism From: matchermaam@... Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:15:20 -0700 Subject: RE: I'm so Angry Accupuncture is good for clearing blocked energies so that the body can access its own power. It doesn't " cure " anything, as any reputable practitioner will tell you. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: Debrah Galloway <debzdeb2@...> Subject: RE: I'm so Angry hypothyroidism Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 8:00 AM Hey i looked it up and found out from one websight that hypothyroidism is perfectly curable (according to the chinese) with Herbal remedies, essential oils, and acupuncture. Does anyone know anything about this.. or have experience with it? I have done some " energy work " with mine and it seemed to be improving for a while. Kindof like it was 'waking up' if you will. let me know! hypothyroidism From: vegasmomof3@... Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 23:23:23 -0700 Subject: RE: I'm so Angry I was very angry too when I first started this journey a year and a half ago. I've softened now because I've learned that the doctors just don't know these things. It's not their fault completely. They are human just like us and have families and being a doctor is their job. They don't have time after work to do the hours of research that it would really take to stay up on things. Cholesterol lowering medications are the #1 money maker for pharmaceutical companies. There is no incentive for them to tell us the truth, even if they know it. Using something as simple as thyroid medicaion would ruin them! Even so, most doctors do not know the thyroid/cholesterol link. They aren't taught it in school - medical schools are usually funded by pharmaceutical companies, so you can imagine why. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/03/medical-school-ethics-at-_n_171315. html Someone suggested www.stopthethyroidmadness.com <http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/> - fantastic site. Another good one is http://www.drlam.com/articles/adrenal_fatigue.asp. My biggest advice is to learn how your body works. I not only looked at sites like the ones I've recommended, but I also have read several books written by doctors, medical journal research and even medical textbooks. After being very ill for 20 years, and actually having issues for my whole life (I'm 39) I said 'enough is enough'. I read everything I could get my hands on and I continue to do so. We have to be our own best health advocates! _____ From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ] On Behalf Of Roni Molin Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 12:39 PM hypothyroidism Subject: I'm so Angry I guess I must be really thick, because I just discovered that low thyroid can cause high cholesterol. All these years not one doctor has mentioned this to me. I'm really furious because they have all tried to get me to take statins, but never once suggested working with me to really raise my thyroid level. Instead their stupid TSH test has falsely shown my thyroid to be elevated, even though I kept complaining of low thyroid symptoms. I just took new thyroid tests yesterday, as well as cholesterol tests too. Now maybe I will be able to get to the bottom of this mess. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Hey i know of someone who had it....almost died..and currently does not have it anymore. Completely gone. Cured. She used iodine. hypothyroidism From: rubyrain11@... Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:41:39 -0700 Subject: Re: Re: I'm so Angry Funny, mine is going away on the iodine protocol. -Ali On Oct 12, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Crystal wrote: > I know 2 people who do not know each other who no longer have > hashi's and > both of them changed the way they think. Fear, unforgiveness, anger, > lust > and others can cause the thyroid to stop working. If you can get rid > of > those stresses than maybe your thyroid can work again. http://store.iblp > org/products/RSDS/ > CW > > -- Re: I'm so Angry > > You can find many websites with " cures " from anything and everything > from cancer to hangnail, and for only a few dollars they will be > glad to > send you the concoctions. Bottom line is there is no known cure for > hypothyroidism and anyone who tells you different is painfully lacking > in knowledge or is a quack or con artist. > > > . > . > > > > > Posted by: " Debrah Galloway " debzdeb2@... > > <mailto:debzdeb2@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%27m%20so%20Angry> > > > > > > Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:59 am (PDT) > > > > > > > > > > Hey i looked it up and found out from one websight that > hypothyroidism > > is perfectly curable (according to the chinese) with Herbal > remedies, > > essential oils, and acupuncture. Does anyone know anything about > > this.. or have experience with it? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Perhaps. And perhaps the tooth fairy helped them! [ggg] .. .. > > Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@... > <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%27m%20so%20Angry> > sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1> > > > Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:43 am (PDT) > > > > I know 2 people who do not know each other who no longer have hashi's and > both of them changed the way they think. Fear, unforgiveness, anger, lust > and others can cause the thyroid to stop working. If you can get rid of > those stresses than maybe your thyroid can work again. > http://store.iblp <http://store.iblp> > org/products/ > RSDS/ > CW > > -- Re: I'm so Angry > > You can find many websites with " cures " from anything and everything > from cancer to hangnail, and for only a few dollars they will be glad to > send you the concoctions. Bottom line is there is no known cure for > hypothyroidism and anyone who tells you different is painfully lacking > in knowledge or is a quack or con artist. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Earlier this year I read of a rather large study of acupuncture IIRC in which two groups were treated. One group had the needles placed according to the lore of the practice while the other group had the needles placed at random locations. Both groups showed significant improvement. I cannot now remember where I read about it. > > Posted by: " nancie barnett " deifspirit@... > <mailto:deifspirit@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%27m%20so%20Angry> > aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1> > > > Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:50 am (PDT) > > > > actually acupuncture can cure many diseases as any good educated > acupuncturist and either Chinese or Japanese practitioner will tell > you. I have a Chinese Medical Provider who is also my dentist and she > has degrees in both Chinese medicine and dentistry. She uses > acupuncture and/or herbs exclusively with many of her medical clients > including several with cancer. she has cured people of diseases and > conditions using acupuncture. > Nancie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 No matter what you try you're likely to either get better, get worse or stay the same. The level of probability for each outcome depends upon the condition as well as other factors. Thus an unrelated event can get established as a causative factor in some minds. .. .. > > Posted by: " Bev " bdowns45681@... > <mailto:bdowns45681@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%27m%20so%20Angry> > bdowns45681 <bdowns45681> > > > Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:36 am (PDT) > > > > > > I don't know about all the other stuff but I've tried acupuncture for > other things that it was supposed to help but it didn't it just caused > more pain for me. > Bev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Healing isn't unusual in my world : ) I suppose God can heal anyone He wants to. CW -- I'm so Angry I guess I must be really thick, because I just discovered that low thyroid can cause high cholesterol. All these years not one doctor has mentioned this to me. I'm really furious because they have all tried to get me to take statins, but never once suggested working with me to really raise my thyroid level. Instead their stupid TSH test has falsely shown my thyroid to be elevated, even though I kept complaining of low thyroid symptoms. I just took new thyroid tests yesterday, as well as cholesterol tests too. Now maybe I will be able to get to the bottom of this mess. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 It's one way to say " God " in one particular creation myth. Frequently written as " Yahweh " . .. .. > > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%27m%20so%20Angry> > matchermaam <matchermaam> > > > Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:35 pm (PDT) > > > > I don't understand your reference to these people being Christians. > What does that have to do with anything? > > Roni > <>Just because something > isn't seen doesn't mean it's > not there<> > > > > From: Crystal <sweetnwright@... <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net>> > Subject: RE: I'm so Angry > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 8:38 PM > > I know 2 people who no longer have Hashimoto's because they changed > the way > they think. Both are Christians. I believe that our thyroids can > " wake up " > : ) > CW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: <res075oh@...> Subject: Re: I'm so Angry hypothyroidism Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 9:27 AM Perhaps. And perhaps the tooth fairy helped them! [ggg] .. .. > > Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@... > <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%27m%20so%20Angry> > sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1> > > > Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:43 am (PDT) > > > > I know 2 people who do not know each other who no longer have hashi's and > both of them changed the way they think. Fear, unforgiveness, anger, lust > and others can cause the thyroid to stop working. If you can get rid of > those stresses than maybe your thyroid can work again. > http://store.iblp <http://store.iblp> > org/products/ > RSDS/ > CW > > -- Re: I'm so Angry > > You can find many websites with " cures " from anything and everything > from cancer to hangnail, and for only a few dollars they will be glad to > send you the concoctions. Bottom line is there is no known cure for > hypothyroidism and anyone who tells you different is painfully lacking > in knowledge or is a quack or con artist. > > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 It's the same with hypnosis. My whole family went to see a show and there was hypnotist who was going to hypnotize the entire audience. I experienced nothing, my husband either and also my mother. My father, however, started to get hypnotized until my mother pinched him. Some people are just more susceptible to suggestion. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: <res075oh@...> Subject: Re: I'm so Angry hypothyroidism Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 9:36 AM No matter what you try you're likely to either get better, get worse or stay the same. The level of probability for each outcome depends upon the condition as well as other factors. Thus an unrelated event can get established as a causative factor in some minds. .. .. > > Posted by: " Bev " bdowns45681@... > <mailto:bdowns45681@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%27m%20so%20Angry> > bdowns45681 <bdowns45681> > > > Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:36 am (PDT) > > > > > > I don't know about all the other stuff but I've tried acupuncture for > other things that it was supposed to help but it didn't it just caused > more pain for me. > Bev ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Again IIRC there have been credible studies that showed healing benefit due to belief/faith. But not any particular faith. .. .. > > Posted by: " Debrah Galloway " debzdeb2@... > <mailto:debzdeb2@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%27m%20so%20Angry> > > > Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:08 pm (PDT) > > > > > Sounds to me like what you believe in has the most powerful effect! > > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > From: res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net> > Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:32:05 -0400 > Subject: Re: I'm so Angry > > Earlier this year I read of a rather large study of acupuncture IIRC in > > which two groups were treated. One group had the needles placed > > according to the lore of the practice while the other group had the > > needles placed at random locations. Both groups showed significant > > improvement. I cannot now remember where I read about it. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 I think your response is perfectly natural and understandable. God is sovereign and our thoughts are not His thoughts. CW -- Re: I'm so Angry And what kind of creature could watch hundreds of innocent children suffer unspeakably and die every day when he could heal them all with a snap of his fingers??? What kind of name would you call a human who withheld healing from the innocent when he/she was perfectly capable of healing them with no cost to him/herself? .. .. > > Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@... > <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%27m%20so%20Angry> > sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1> > > > Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:42 am (PDT) > > > > Healing isn't unusual in my world : ) I suppose God can heal anyone He > wants to. > CW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 A long time ago, I had a supervisor who always taught us " If you think you can, you can! " Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: <res075oh@...> Subject: Re: I'm so Angry hypothyroidism Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 10:38 PM Again IIRC there have been credible studies that showed healing benefit due to belief/faith. But not any particular faith. .. .. > > Posted by: " Debrah Galloway " debzdeb2@... > <mailto:debzdeb2@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%27m%20so%20Angry> > > > Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:08 pm (PDT) > > > > > Sounds to me like what you believe in has the most powerful effect! > > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > From: res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net> > Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:32:05 -0400 > Subject: Re: I'm so Angry > > Earlier this year I read of a rather large study of acupuncture IIRC in > > which two groups were treated. One group had the needles placed > > according to the lore of the practice while the other group had the > > needles placed at random locations. Both groups showed significant > > improvement. I cannot now remember where I read about it. > > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 I know the accounts of the gospels vary. Luke (who was a doctor) gave a different account of Christ's last words than Mark did. So the agony Christ faced was told by different people from their viewpoint which gives a more balanced story. The better question is how can all of these different people write about the same man who has been historically proven as much as any other biblical figure, be denied today like he never lived? People walked among him and wrote his about his life. Those people saw different things as we all do when we meet and become friends with someone. -- Re: I'm so Angry According to scripture what were the last words Christ said before he died upon the cross, which atoned for all the sins of all the true believers now and forever? .. .. > > Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@... > <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%27m%20so%20Angry> > sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1> > > > Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:23 pm (PDT) > > > > According to scripture (Isaiah 53:5) because Christ was beaten we are able > to receive healing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 The bible was begun to be written two or three decades after his death, and then other people of newer generations kept working on it and in some instances changed things. None of them walked anywhere near him. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: Crystal <sweetnwright@...> Subject: Re: Re: I'm so Angry hypothyroidism Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 11:30 PM I know the accounts of the gospels vary. Luke (who was a doctor) gave a different account of Christ's last words than Mark did. So the agony Christ faced was told by different people from their viewpoint which gives a more balanced story. The better question is how can all of these different people write about the same man who has been historically proven as much as any other biblical figure, be denied today like he never lived? People walked among him and wrote his about his life. Those people saw different things as we all do when we meet and become friends with someone. -- Re: I'm so Angry According to scripture what were the last words Christ said before he died upon the cross, which atoned for all the sins of all the true believers now and forever? .. .. > > Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@... > <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%27m%20so%20Angry> > sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1> > > > Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:23 pm (PDT) > > > > According to scripture (Isaiah 53:5) because Christ was beaten we are able > to receive healing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Consider this: Would it be possible for someone today, perhaps your children or grandchildren, write about you 50 years from now? The reason we know history is because people pass it down from generation to generation. This doesn't mean what the writers of the old testament is false does it? -- Re: I'm so Angry According to scripture what were the last words Christ said before he died upon the cross, which atoned for all the sins of all the true believers now and forever? .. .. > > Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@... > <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%27m%20so%20Angry> > sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1> > > > Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:23 pm (PDT) > > > > According to scripture (Isaiah 53:5) because Christ was beaten we are able > to receive healing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 That's one way to spin it, but it ignores a few facts. First AFAIK Mark did not address the subject; it was Luke, Mathew and . And of those three there's not the slightest agreement as to what were the last words of Jesus; as a matter of fact they are in complete and total disagreement. Rather strange for the " true word of God " to so completely contradict itself about what for Christians has to be the most important single event in the lifespan of the Universe: The death of Christ upon the cross, which atoned for all the sins of all the millions who keep the faith. Completely contradictory statements may give a " balanced story " but they are lies, not truth. If one person claims that at creation God said, " Let there be light " and another says the statement was, " Let there be beer " in reference to the same statement then someone is lying. To put it bluntly we know Mark isn't lying about it; but we know at least two of the other three are. About the best you can say is they were just repeating old wives' tales or tavern talk passed down through perhaps generations. .. .. > MAT 27:46,50: " And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, > saying, " Eli, eli, lama sabachthani? " that is to say, " My God, my God, > why hast thou forsaken me? " ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud > voice, yielded up the ghost. " > > LUK 23:46: " And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, > " Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit: " and having said thus, he > gave up the ghost. " > > JOH 19:30: " When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, > " It is finished: " and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. " > .. .. There are many outright contradictions in the Bible, and AFAIK most if not all of the myths there are merely recycled from former myths from other religions. None of which bears upon whether God exists. However it is abundantly clear that the compassionate and loving God depicted at the center of many major religions [including Christianity] has no relationship to the hate-filled, vengeance seeking vain glorious entity most Christians choose to call " God " as depicted in the self-contradicting creation myths. Point being: IF God exists and IF the Bible contains the truth of the mysteries of the origins and nature of God then those truths are buried very deeply and you aren't going to find them skimming over the surface of the words there with their obvious contradictions. You'll have to look much deeper. .. .. > Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@... > <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%27m%20so%20Angry> > sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1> > > > Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:30 pm (PDT) > > > > I know the accounts of the gospels vary. Luke (who was a doctor) gave a > different account of Christ's last words than Mark did. So the agony > Christ > faced was told by different people from their viewpoint which gives a more > balanced story. The better question is how can all of these different > people write about the same man who has been historically proven as > much as > any other biblical figure, be denied today like he never lived? People > walked among him and wrote his about his life. Those people saw different > things as we all do when we meet and become friends with someone. > > -- Re: I'm so Angry > > According to scripture what were the last words Christ said before he > died upon the cross, which atoned for all the sins of all the true > believers now and forever? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 PS: You didn't know that three of the four gospels contradict each other as to the last words of Jesus before he died until I pointed it out to you. Your statement was " ...The Bible never contradicts itself " . You are very mistaken about the " proof " of the existence of Jesus as compared to other figures mentioned in the Bible. Whether Jesus even existed as a single human being has never been established while at least some of those mentioned are included in historical records. The Bible is utterly full of contradictions. If you want the truth you'll have to look a lot deeper than the surface contradictory words. .. .. > > Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@... > <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%27m%20so%20Angry> > sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1> > > > Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:30 pm (PDT) > > > > I know the accounts of the gospels vary. Luke (who was a doctor) gave a > different account of Christ's last words than Mark did. So the agony > Christ > faced was told by different people from their viewpoint which gives a more > balanced story. The better question is how can all of these different > people write about the same man who has been historically proven as > much as > any other biblical figure, be denied today like he never lived? People > walked among him and wrote his about his life. Those people saw different > things as we all do when we meet and become friends with someone. > > -- Re: I'm so Angry > > According to scripture what were the last words Christ said before he > died upon the cross, which atoned for all the sins of all the true > believers now and forever? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 , I wish I were a Bible scholar! I wish you were though! I do not claim to know every Greek and Hebrew word of the Bible. I also do not claim that God isn't vengeful. However I'd be pretty pissed if the people I created and set free a number of times would still turn and worship other gods. His anger is righteous! Just because the accounts of the gospel are different doesn't make them contradictory. This is just what you choose to pick on. is the earliest account of Jesus and therefore the most accurate. I still stand firm that the Bible never contradicts itself. -- Re: I'm so Angry > > According to scripture what were the last words Christ said before he > died upon the cross, which atoned for all the sins of all the true > believers now and forever? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 And the gods create and distribute diseases, genetic defects, pain, suffering, " acts of god " , etc. It seems " fate " is the ultimate god. As the saying goes " Against fate, even the gods contend in vain! " Hail to the Sun god, O what a fun god, Ra, Ra, Ra! (Ra is a sun god - the sun is needed for vitamin D production which prevents a lot of diseases). Steve Crystal wrote: > Healing isn't unusual in my world : ) I suppose God can heal anyone He > wants to. > CW > > -- RE: I'm so Angry > > I don't understand your reference to these people being Christians. What > does that have to do with anything? > > Roni -- Steve - dudescholar4@... " The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher " Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism " Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Crystal wrote: > According to scripture (Isaiah 53:5) because Christ was beaten we are able > to receive healing. I am assuming that that is available through the > atonement that was offered to those who believe that Jesus is the son of God > and that He died on the cross for the sins of all mankind and who accept > that atonement by repenting of their sins and living by the commandments of > the Bible. This is the perverse doctrine that if you haven't heard of this particular God, he is pleased to damn you to eternal suffering, especially young children who die early. A god who cannot save without a pagan sacrifice ritual is certainly not omnipotent and particularly if his creative ability results in his displeasure at some of his results - an omni-hypocritical act. A god who requires that he crucify himself in order to be permitted to save must be self-punishing for his faulty creative ability. Nietzsche was right. -- Steve - dudescholar4@... " The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher " Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism " Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Scholars have been studying both old and new testaments for ages, and they are not in agreement about the contents of either. If learned scholars can't agree on what the words mean or whether or not they are true, partially true or just made up, I certainly don't thing the average person has a chance at it. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: <res075oh@...> Subject: Re: I'm so Angry hypothyroidism Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 10:46 AM PS: You didn't know that three of the four gospels contradict each other as to the last words of Jesus before he died until I pointed it out to you. Your statement was " ...The Bible never contradicts itself " . You are very mistaken about the " proof " of the existence of Jesus as compared to other figures mentioned in the Bible. Whether Jesus even existed as a single human being has never been established while at least some of those mentioned are included in historical records. The Bible is utterly full of contradictions. If you want the truth you'll have to look a lot deeper than the surface contradictory words. .. .. > > Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@... > <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%27m%20so%20Angry> > sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1> > > > Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:30 pm (PDT) > > > > I know the accounts of the gospels vary. Luke (who was a doctor) gave a > different account of Christ's last words than Mark did. So the agony > Christ > faced was told by different people from their viewpoint which gives a more > balanced story. The better question is how can all of these different > people write about the same man who has been historically proven as > much as > any other biblical figure, be denied today like he never lived? People > walked among him and wrote his about his life. Those people saw different > things as we all do when we meet and become friends with someone. > > -- Re: I'm so Angry > > According to scripture what were the last words Christ said before he > died upon the cross, which atoned for all the sins of all the true > believers now and forever? > > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 I have to disagree with you Crystal. It is well documented that the bible contradicts itself. It has been studied for so long by so many much more educated in religion, the bible and interpretation, as well as the languages used than we could ever hope to be in one lifetime. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: Crystal <sweetnwright@...> Subject: Re: Re: I'm so Angry hypothyroidism Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 12:59 PM , I wish I were a Bible scholar! I wish you were though! I do not claim to know every Greek and Hebrew word of the Bible. I also do not claim that God isn't vengeful. However I'd be pretty pissed if the people I created and set free a number of times would still turn and worship other gods. His anger is righteous! Just because the accounts of the gospel are different doesn't make them contradictory. This is just what you choose to pick on. is the earliest account of Jesus and therefore the most accurate. I still stand firm that the Bible never contradicts itself. -- Re: I'm so Angry > > According to scripture what were the last words Christ said before he > died upon the cross, which atoned for all the sins of all the true > believers now and forever? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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