I'm so angry

October 14, 2009

I like your reasoning for how the existence of the almighty would be if indeed

he was omniscient. I have alwasys wondered why a perfect being would bother to

create such

imperfect creatures. Unfortunately, the only thing I could think of was that the

being

was bored and derived some kind of cruel pleasure to watch the writhings and

sufferings

of the creatures created. When do you think he ceased to be a rock and became

animated enough to bother with creation? Also, being the ultimate parent should

have made him care more for his progeny, not condemn them to eternal pain and

suffering.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

> , I wish I were a Bible scholar! I wish you were though! I do not

> claim to know every Greek and Hebrew word of the Bible. I also do not claim

> that God isn't vengeful. However I'd be pretty pissed if the people I

> created and set free a number of times would still turn and worship other

> gods. His anger is righteous!

Anger is an emotion that occurs when life doesn't go the way you want it

to because it is not fully or even mostly under your control; the more

mature one is, the less likely anger is to occur until finally one

realizes that anger is a lack of control. An emotional god who's

emotions drive his actions because life doesn't go the way he wants it

to is no god at all, it's an anthropomorphism. A god who is omniscience

and knows all things and before which all time is present simultaneously

cannot suddenly get angry because at no time does he suddenly get

information and see things happen that he didn't already know and see.

God as defined CANNOT experience and has less ability to react to new

situations than a rock. The definition of God given in Christianity

generally, is undesirable to any person because they would be locked in

an eternal existence of no experience, no change, no love, no joy, no

pleasure, no existence, just eternal unchanging perfection in which

there would be NO HOPE of anything better, different, or new. Bah

humbug. At least the Pagans had gods that theoretically had the joy of

living, loving, feasting, experiencing.

> Just because the accounts of the gospel are

> different doesn't make them contradictory.

And yet, they are full of contradictions, extensively. To refuse to see

these contradictions is to refuse to see that the earth is round.

> This is just what you choose to

> pick on. is the earliest account of Jesus and therefore the most

> accurate. I still stand firm that the Bible never contradicts itself.

How can parts of the what you claim are the words of your gods be more

accurate than other parts? What errors pray tell are in , Luke,

and ?

There are lots of good scholarship. Here's some:

Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible

(And Why We Don't Know About Them)

http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Interrupted-Revealing-Hidden-Contradictions/dp/00611\

73932/ref=pd_sim_b_4

Who Wrote the Bible?

http://www.amazon.com/Wrote-Bible--Elliott-Friedman/dp/0060630353/ref=pd_\

sim_b_2

The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's New Vision of Ancient Israel and the

Origin of Its Sacred Texts

http://www.amazon.com/Bible-Unearthed-Archaeologys-Vision-Ancient/dp/0684869136/\

ref=pd_sim_b_3

The Mythic Past: Biblical Archaeology And The Myth Of Israel

http://www.amazon.com/Mythic-Past-Biblical-Archaeology-Israel/dp/0465006493/ref=\

pd_sim_b_9

The Myth Of Nazareth: The Invented Town Of Jesus

http://www.amazon.com/Myth-Nazareth-Invented-Town-Jesus/dp/1578840031/ref=sr_1_9\

0?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1255565968 & sr=1-90

Lost Christianities: The Battles for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew

http://www.amazon.com/Lost-Christianities-Battles-Scripture-Faiths/dp/0195182499\

/ref=pd_sim_b_13

101 Myths of the Bible: How Ancient Scribes Invented Biblical History

http://www.amazon.com/101-Myths-Bible-Invented-Biblical/dp/1570718423/ref=pd_sim\

_b_8

The evidence against religious dogma and myths is so extensive both

historical, archaeological, philosophical, and scientific that any

person who goes on a quest for the truth, the whole truth, and nothing

but the truth will find that the myths and dogma that blind them will

gradually fall away.

Steve

> -- Re: I'm so Angry

>>

>> According to scripture what were the last words Christ said before he

>> died upon the cross, which atoned for all the sins of all the true

>> believers now and forever?

>>

--

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October 15, 2009

When two statements directly contradict each other then one of them is

false. When three statements mutually contradict each other at least

two are false.

Besides, do you hold the Holy Bible to no higher standard of accuracy

than idle gossip 50 years after the fact? You seem to have abandoned

the position that the Bible is the one true word of God and instead are

trying to explain away the fact that it is full of contradictions.

Further, we were discussing the life of Jesus, which is in the new

testament, not the old.

I'll say again: On the surface the words range from possibly accurate

to directly contradictory [outright falsehoods that any beginning logic

student could demonstrate]. And in many cases totally foolish. If the

truth is there you have to look deeper than you are.

..

>

> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

> <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%27m%20so%20Angry>

> sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1>

>

> Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:23 am (PDT)

>

> Consider this: Would it be possible for someone today, perhaps your

> children or grandchildren, write about you 50 years from now? The

> reason we

> know history is because people pass it down from generation to

> generation.

> This doesn't mean what the writers of the old testament is false does it?

> -------Original Message-----

> --

October 15, 2009

The danger to the devout Christian in becoming a Bible scholar is that

if one is an intelligent and logical creature one begins to notice the

contradictions. That would be devastating to you and your faith.

Unfortunately some of the damage has already been done; it's only

because you are somewhat uneducated in the field of logic that you do

not see that _in your own words_. You have been reduced in some cases

from asserting the nature of the words of the Bible as being absolute

truth to trying to explain away the fact that they are contradictory

[and thus false]. As someone else pointed out your statement about

which gospel is most accurate recognizes the fact that there are some

that are less accurate. If fails your grasp that the devine word of God

as you depict it could contain no inaccuracies at all.

It really helps to maintain one's faith if one can simply remain

ignorant and accept the admonitions of the priest of whatever faith.

And DON'T read or study the Bible because you might accidentally notice

the contradictions. In addition whatever you do don't study logic, lest

you begin to recognize it not only in your scriptures but in your own

arguments.

Some will remain as a young child; and asleep. And some will awaken...

..

> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

> <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%27m%20so%20Angry>

> sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1>

>

> Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:00 pm (PDT)

>

> , I wish I were a Bible scholar! I wish you were though! I do not

> claim to know every Greek and Hebrew word of the Bible. I also do not

> claim

> that God isn't vengeful. However I'd be pretty pissed if the people I

> created and set free a number of times would still turn and worship other

> gods. His anger is righteous! Just because the accounts of the gospel are

> different doesn't make them contradictory. This is just what you choose to

> pick on. is the earliest account of Jesus and therefore the most

> accurate. I still stand firm that the Bible never contradicts itself.

>

> -- Re: I'm so Angry

>

> PS: You didn't know that three of the four gospels contradict each

> other as to the last words of Jesus before he died until I pointed it

> out to you. Your statement was " ...The Bible never contradicts itself " .

>

> You are very mistaken about the " proof " of the existence of Jesus as

> compared to other figures mentioned in the Bible. Whether Jesus even

> existed as a single human being has never been established while at

> least some of those mentioned are included in historical records.

>

> The Bible is utterly full of contradictions. If you want the truth

> you'll have to look a lot deeper than the surface contradictory words.

>

> .

>

> >

> > Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

> <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net>

> > <mailto:sweetnwright@...

> <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net>?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%27m%20so%20Angry>

> > sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1

> <sweetenloe1>>

> >

> > Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:30 pm (PDT)

> >

> > I know the accounts of the gospels vary. Luke (who was a doctor) gave a

> > different account of Christ's last words than Mark did. So the agony

> > Christ

> > faced was told by different people from their viewpoint which gives

> a more

> > balanced story. The better question is how can all of these different

> > people write about the same man who has been historically proven as

> > much as

> > any other biblical figure, be denied today like he never lived? People

> > walked among him and wrote his about his life. Those people saw

> different

> > things as we all do when we meet and become friends with someone.

> >

October 15, 2009

Crystal, I will address this statement: " ...The reason we know history

is because people pass it down from generation to generation. "

Actually people passing along verbal information/gossip/tavern chatter

is one of the most unreliable sources. More important are facts we

discover from archeology and similar. Contemporary written history is

vastly more consistent between examples than word of mouth copied down

much later. The latter will invariably contain inconsistencies and

contradictions between examples; exactly as we see in the Bible.

..

>

> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

> <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%27m%20so%20Angry>

> sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1>

>

> Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:23 am (PDT)

>

> Consider this: Would it be possible for someone today, perhaps your

> children or grandchildren, write about you 50 years from now? The

> reason we

> know history is because people pass it down from generation to

> generation.

> This doesn't mean what the writers of the old testament is false does it?

>

> Consider this: Would it be possible for someone today, perhaps your

> children or grandchildren, write about you 50 years from now?

>

> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

> <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%27m%20so%20Angry>

> sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1>

>

> Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:23 am (PDT)

>

October 15, 2009

Any half-way competent programmer understands that what s/he puts into

the program has absolute and total control over what comes out. The

mythical God of Christianity had absolute control over all of creation

and thus created everything therein, including sin. Thus that God

cannot escape responsibility for all the miseries of the world.

The story of Adam and Eve is among the most pathetically obvious of

myths but if you choose to adhere to it you might note that it was Eve

who was deceived by the snake; later Adam was deceived by Eve. But it

is inconsistent too; evil already existed in the person of the snake who

deceived Eve. A snake created totally and perfectly by a totally

perfect God...

But there is a warning there for you personally: If you partake of the

fruit of the tree of knowledge you will be cast out of your own personal

" Garden Of Silly Myth " in which you now metaphorically reside.

..

>

> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

> <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%27m%20so%20Angry>

> sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1>

>

> Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:31 pm (PDT)

>

> Actually disease, etc. is a by-product of sin. If Adam would not have

> committed the first sin than we wouldn't live with its by-products.

> CW

>

> -- Re: I'm so Angry

>

> And the gods create and distribute diseases, genetic defects, pain,

> suffering, " acts of god " , etc.

>

> It seems " fate " is the ultimate god. As the saying goes " Against fate,

> even the gods contend in vain! "

>

> Hail to the Sun god,

> O what a fun god,

> Ra, Ra, Ra!

>

> (Ra is a sun god - the sun is needed for vitamin D production which

> prevents a lot of diseases).

>

> Steve

October 15, 2009

Thus my statement to the effect that there was no evidence for the

existence of Jesus _as a single person_.

..

>

> Posted by: " Steve " dudescholar4@...

>

<mailto:dudescholar4@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%27m%20so%20Angry>

> dudescholar <dudescholar>

>

> Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:54 pm (PDT)

>

> There is no historical evidence for Jesus, but there is historical

> evidence for several people for whom Jesus () is an amalgam.

October 15, 2009

I chose the example of the contradictory statements of three writers of

the gospel because they are so blatantly obvious. No matter how you

squirm and spin you cannot answer the question, " What were the very last

word said by Christ before he died upon the cross " without getting three

completely different and contradictory answers.

If you want me to I could give you a few more obvious contradictions;

hundreds at least.

..

>

> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

> <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%27m%20so%20Angry>

> sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1>

>

> Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:00 pm (PDT)

>

> , I wish I were a Bible scholar! I wish you were though! I do not

> claim to know every Greek and Hebrew word of the Bible. I also do not

> claim

> that God isn't vengeful. However I'd be pretty pissed if the people I

> created and set free a number of times would still turn and worship other

> gods. His anger is righteous! Just because the accounts of the gospel are

> different doesn't make them contradictory. This is just what you choose to

> pick on. is the earliest account of Jesus and therefore the most

> accurate. I still stand firm that the Bible never contradicts itself.

October 15, 2009

Why do you think that for centuries the Christian church [which happened

to be the Catholic church] hid the scriptures from the average person;

even to the point of conducting religious ceremonies in a language

basically understood only by priests?

..

>

> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

> <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%27m%20so%20Angry>

> sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1>

>

> Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:00 pm (PDT)

>

> I still stand firm that the Bible never contradicts itself.

October 15, 2009

But such a creature [God] would not be perfect, would he? Unless you

define sadism as perfect.

..

>

> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

> <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%27m%20so%20Angry>

> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

> Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:42 pm (PDT)

>

> I like your reasoning for how the existence of the almighty would be

> if indeed he was omniscient. I have alwasys wondered why a perfect

> being would bother to create such

> imperfect creatures. Unfortunately, the only thing I could think of

> was that the being was bored and derived some kind of cruel pleasure

> to watch the writhings and sufferings

> of the creatures created.

October 15, 2009

Oh , your ignorance is beginning to show. And the moderator asked you

to stop.

From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

On Behalf Of

Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:44 AM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: I'm so Angry

Why do you think that for centuries the Christian church [which happened

to be the Catholic church] hid the scriptures from the average person;

even to the point of conducting religious ceremonies in a language

basically understood only by priests?

..

>

> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@... <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net>

> <mailto:sweetnwright@... <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net>

?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%27m%20so%20Angry>

> sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1>

>

> Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:00 pm (PDT)

>

> I still stand firm that the Bible never contradicts itself.

October 15, 2009

My son has the same problem as you and his cholesterol is high, though he is an

a strict diet. He is only twelve and very thin.

>

> I guess I must be really thick, because I just discovered that low thyroid can

cause high cholesterol. All these years not one doctor has mentioned this to me.

I'm really furious because they have all tried to get me to take statins, but

never once suggested working with me to really raise my thyroid level. Instead

their stupid TSH test has falsely shown my thyroid to be elevated, even though I

kept complaining of low thyroid symptoms. I just took new thyroid tests

yesterday, as well as cholesterol tests too. Now maybe I will be able to get to

the bottom of this mess.

>

> Roni

> <>Just because something

> isn't seen doesn't mean it's

> not there<>

>

October 15, 2009

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: <res075oh@...>

Subject: Re: I'm so Angry

hypothyroidism

Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 8:36 AM