Re: Measuring levels of tricothecene

[Guest guest]

Diane, What tests were done to determine the diagnosis of Tricothecene

poisoning? I would think if one is diagnosed with such, that it would show in

the urine as the mycotoxins would be spilling out. Darlene

dianebolton52 <dianebolton@...> wrote: Hi

Folks: I recently had a doctor here send me urine to be tested for

tricothecene and the results were 0. This makes NO sense at all to me

as I am feeling as poor as ever. How important is this level and why

would it be 0 when my diagnosis was tricothecene poisoning? Is it

possible that is it NOT in the urine? I am as confused as ever now-

Thanks- Diane

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[Guest guest]

Why dont you try skin samples? I know of a Doc that takes a 5mm skin sample from

your dermatologist and he tests it for mycotoxins. Its pretty acurate from what

i hear. his name is Dr Croft

608-274-1618

doccroft@...

OFFICE/LAB ADDRESS: N9178 County Road A

Crivitz, Wisconsin 54114

Darlene <darlenesb2000@...> wrote:

Diane, What tests were done to determine the diagnosis of Tricothecene

poisoning? I would think if one is diagnosed with such, that it would show in

the urine as the mycotoxins would be spilling out. Darlene

dianebolton52 <dianebolton@...> wrote: Hi Folks: I recently had a doctor

here send me urine to be tested for

tricothecene and the results were 0. This makes NO sense at all to me

as I am feeling as poor as ever. How important is this level and why

would it be 0 when my diagnosis was tricothecene poisoning? Is it

possible that is it NOT in the urine? I am as confused as ever now-

Thanks- Diane

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[Guest guest]

Just how long after the exposure(s)is it, that a person will test

Positive for any kind of toxins? I feel and look pretty bad...and

answered yes to all but 2 of Dr. Shoemakers questionnaire, but when I

took the VCS test, however, I passed at 80%. And yet I have focusing

problems on type when I'm reading, and whole sentances are distorted.

Meaning that sometimes, what I am reading looks like it's climbing up

to the right hand corner.

Hi Folks: I recently had a

doctor here send me urine to be tested for

> tricothecene and the results were 0. This makes NO sense at all to

me

> as I am feeling as poor as ever. How important is this level and

why

> would it be 0 when my diagnosis was tricothecene poisoning? Is it

> possible that is it NOT in the urine? I am as confused as ever now-

> Thanks- Diane

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[Guest guest]

First, I'm happy for you that you don't have tricothecenes poisoning. It just

means you were not exposed to Stachybotris. You can get just as sick from other

molds.

Its to bad that Hitachi labs is holding back on the Marinkovich panel. That

would help people figure out what they were exposed to.

[Guest guest]

I've worked with Doc Croft and he is wise and very capable.

Just so you know, his training is in verterinary medicine and he also has a

doctorate in medical pathology. His studies are quite amazing as toxins leave

their imprints on the body.

~Haley

E E <photoguys2003@...> wrote:

Why dont you try skin samples? I know of a Doc that takes a 5mm skin

sample from your dermatologist and he tests it for mycotoxins. Its pretty

acurate from what i hear. his name is Dr Croft

608-274-1618

doccroft@...

OFFICE/LAB ADDRESS: N9178 County Road A

Crivitz, Wisconsin 54114

Darlene <darlenesb2000@...> wrote:

Diane, What tests were done to determine the diagnosis of Tricothecene

poisoning? I would think if one is diagnosed with such, that it would show in

the urine as the mycotoxins would be spilling out. Darlene

dianebolton52 <dianebolton@...> wrote: Hi Folks: I recently had a doctor

here send me urine to be tested for

tricothecene and the results were 0. This makes NO sense at all to me

as I am feeling as poor as ever. How important is this level and why

would it be 0 when my diagnosis was tricothecene poisoning? Is it

possible that is it NOT in the urine? I am as confused as ever now-

Thanks- Diane

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[Guest guest]

Happy,

Not sure on how long ago you were exposed to toxic mold or if it in fact

matters. but the test is Clinical Confirmation of Trichothecene(toxic

mold)Mycotoxicosis in Patients. I have not been tested yet(next week im sending

in my skin sample) but if this test is valid it will be conclusive and most up

to date test thus far in this new field of medicine. And im sure it will be a

compelling great source of evidence in court cases

happyruiam <happyru@...> wrote:

Just how long after the exposure(s)is it, that a person will test

Positive for any kind of toxins? I feel and look pretty bad...and

answered yes to all but 2 of Dr. Shoemakers questionnaire, but when I

took the VCS test, however, I passed at 80%. And yet I have focusing

problems on type when I'm reading, and whole sentances are distorted.

Meaning that sometimes, what I am reading looks like it's climbing up

to the right hand corner.

[Guest guest]

Again, people are only looking at molds and their mycotoxins. They are not the

only contaminants in damp indoor spaces. For example, Streptomyces californicus

and Cardioposis speces (bacteria) have been identified in the indoor

environment. Their toxins are more toxic than are the trichothecenes. Also,

the most prevalent molds in damp indoor spaces are species of Aspergillus and

Penicillium They prouduce a different group of mycotoxins.

You may not have been exposed to trichothecene producing molds such as S.

chartarum, Fusarium species, Myrothecium, Trichoderma, Memnoniella echinata,

among others. You should have had the full urine screen done, testing for

aflatoxins and ochratoxins. Further, if S. chartarum was identified in the

indoor environment, which strain was found? Trichothecene or spirolactone

producing strain? If you have been exposed to trichothecene and then removed

from the environment, they will disappear from the urine within a several days.

They will be present if you have an ongoing exposure (See the paper by Brasel)

or if you have been colonized and have mold DNA tested by PCR to confirm the

colonization. If a doctor has determined that you are ill from trichothecenes,

where is the testing to prove the diagnosis? You should have a PCR DNA mold

test done on samples from your home or office to determine genus and species.

One last thing, if you are colonized or have an infectious process

(Aspergillosis) by four species of Aspergillus (fumigatus, versicolor, flavus,

niger) you may have gliotoxin in your body. Did you have a test done for

gliotoxin and/or Aspergillus PCR DNA mold test? Enough is a enough. Read the

materials that are available on these subject matters and quit listening to the

words of those who really do not know what is going on. You can email me

directly or call me if you wish. Jack D. Thrasher, Ph.D.

Jack D. Thrasher, Ph.D.

Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist

www.drthrasher.org

toxicologist1@...

Off: 775-636-8513

[Guest guest]

So in your opinion what is the best test for bio toxins in your body? And if you

dont have access to the building of original exposure? And what can you do to

help in these tests? Thanks Doc.

" Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...> wrote:

Again, people are only looking at molds and their mycotoxins. They are not the

only contaminants in damp indoor spaces. For example, Streptomyces californicus

and Cardioposis speces (bacteria) have been identified in the indoor

environment. Their toxins are more toxic than are the trichothecenes. Also,

the most prevalent molds in damp indoor spaces are species of Aspergillus and

Penicillium They prouduce a different group of mycotoxins.

[Guest guest]

Dr. Thrasher. That is a good point about endotoxins from bacteria. In

addition to direct toxicity, endotoxins also cause immunologic changes that

can cause other diseases. Raw sewage leaks that dry up, for example, are

extremely dangerous when the dried up material starts blowing around,

because it often carries human pathogens.

Active fungal clonies produce MVOCs, which are difficult (I have never seen

the test offered) to test for. When all these tests are expensive, at some

point the requirement for more tests begins to be against the public

interest because of the remoteness of punishment for people who create

dangerous conditions to profit from them. Those people need to be punished

and society by creating near impossible barriers to injured, is perpetrating

a cruel hoax on people who think that they can sue if they get injured. The

bar needs to be realistically proportionate to the number of injured

people.. such that they will sue and win to provide a deterrent.

Its a difficult situation to go the testing rather than the functional

impairment route. I think that most of the mycotoxins are very powerful, and

a lot of them are so powerful that detecting them is very difficult. That

does not mean that the exposure was small. It just means that a

determination of what made someone sick is a thing that needs to be done

based on a lot of different pieces of information. Obviously, most heavily

water damaged buildings are nightmares of danger. People should be honest

about the probabilities and simply show that all added together the

probabilities add up.

I can't speak for Dr. Thrasher, but I think the situations often speak for

themselves. In other words, in my admittedly personal and non-academic

opinion, the chances of these buildings NOT making any people who spend any

real length of time in them sick are extremely SLIM.

On 2/9/08, E E <photoguys2003@...> wrote:

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> So in your opinion what is the best test for bio toxins in your body?

> And if you dont have access to the building of original exposure? And what

> can you do to help in these tests? Thanks Doc.

>

> " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@... <toxicologist1%40msn.com>>

> wrote: Again, people are only looking at molds and their mycotoxins. They

> are not the only contaminants in damp indoor spaces. For example,

> Streptomyces californicus and Cardioposis speces (bacteria) have been

> identified in the indoor environment. Their toxins are more toxic than are

> the trichothecenes. Also, the most prevalent molds in damp indoor spaces are

> species of Aspergillus and Penicillium They prouduce a different group of

> mycotoxins.

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[Guest guest]

I agree with Dr. Thrasher, damp or wet buildings have more problems

than just mold. The different types of bacteria that were found at a

local school are quite shocking.

As soon as I can lay my hands on that report, I will post the types

of bacteria.

Maybe Dr. Thrasher can enlighten us on the subject of bacteria. I

have done a lot of research due to several medical problems

afflicting children. But I am no match for Dr. Thrasher. It is

wonderful that Dr. Thrasher is willing to take the time to keep us

all informed. Thank you.

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[Guest guest]

Dr. Thrasher,

What is a good way to rid the body of the bacteria, mold, and toxins

from the body (beyond avoidance of exposure which sometimes isn't

totally possible)? Are there foods or natural supplements

that " detox " the body?

-- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. "

<toxicologist1@...> wrote:

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> Again, people are only looking at molds and their mycotoxins. They

are not the only contaminants in damp indoor spaces......

[Guest guest]

Nigara: Did you try to call me? My answering was not working, but my phone

listed a Nigara who called on Feb. 10.

Answering your question is not simple regarding detoxification. The best that

can be done is eat organic foods, drink glass bottled wated water (plastics

leach phthallates) and take antioxidants. Cholestyramine appears to be helpful,

but if you have colonization (Rao of the CDC has just published a paper on

colonization of workers following Katrina) you should be using antifungals.

in Spring Texas has had good results with I.V. Cancidas

(antifungal). Others, such as the Mayo Clinic, recommend amphotericin.

Jack D. Thrasher, Ph.D.

Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist

www.drthrasher.org

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[Guest guest]

Dr. Thrasher: No,it was not me who called. Thank you for your reply

about organic foods, glass bottled water, etc. Can Amphotericin B be

used in any other form besides a nasal wash? That's the only way that

I am using it at this time. (The doctor that prescribed it only treats

the sinuses - he is an ENT). I still don't have a dr. who addresses

the other symptoms besides the primary physician who only acknowledges

the asthma. And on a day like this, when I spent way too much time in

the water damaged ground floor of our workplace, I'm wishing I had

a " mold specialist. " I do not feel too well tonight.

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> Nigara: Did you try to call me? My answering was not working, but

my phone listed a Nigara who called on Feb. 10.

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[Guest guest]

I went to Dr. and was very unhappy with him. He is a Family practice

Md, not a toxicologist. He is not certified as an EI MD and charges outageous

rates for a bunch of junk labs that he takes and doesn't use to treat. All he

gives you is an anitfungal, which is ineffective in treating the whole body

system. An exposure and illness from mold does not constitute and infection!

His behavior is unprofessional. If you need an EI MD, I recommend going to Dr.

REa in DAllas....which I ended up having to go to after spending $12K with Dr.

CAmpbell and he did nothing to treat the chemical sensitivity which I

subsequently developed.

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

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> Nigara: Did you try to call me? My answering was not working, but my phone

listed a Nigara who called on Feb. 10.

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> Answering your question is not simple regarding detoxification. The best that

can be done is eat organic foods, drink glass bottled wated water (plastics

leach phthallates) and take antioxidants. Cholestyramine appears to be helpful,

but if you have colonization (Rao of the CDC has just published a paper on

colonization of workers following Katrina) you should be using antifungals.

in Spring Texas has had good results with I.V. Cancidas

(antifungal). Others, such as the Mayo Clinic, recommend amphotericin.

> Jack D. Thrasher, Ph.D.

> Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist

> www.drthrasher.org

> toxicologist1@...

>

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